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And that's all without the Galaxy S IV

Apple, Inc. (AAPL) won't announce its fiscal Q2 2013 (calendar Q1 2013) quarterly earnings until April 23, but South Korea's Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (KSC:005930), has already started things off with a bang, issuing impressive earnings guidance.  The record profits come before the company even started shipping its flagship smartphone, the Galaxy S IV, which will go on sale later this month.

I. Samsung Approaches Apple in Profitability

With Apple predicted to draw $10.1B USD, Samsung showed just how close it is getting to the American firm in profitability.  Samsung's earnings guidance suggests an 8.7T won ($7.7B USD) profit, up over 50 percent from the 5.7T won ($5.0B USD) profit it posted in the first calendar quarter of 2012.  Samsung predicts sales of around 52T won ($45.93B USD).

That's a bit of a surprise -- a survey of 10 analysts by UK-based Financial Times, a Pearson PLC unit (LON:PSON), found an expectation of 8.0T won ($7.0B USD) in profit.  A newer compilation by Bloomberg of 39 analysts' predictions showed an average expectation for 8.4T won ($7.4B USD) in profit.

Samsung is nearing Apple in profitability. [Image Source: Cult of Mac]

Samsung's mobile sales are expected to rise around 40 percent on a year-to-year basis.  Mobile is expected to post a profit of around 6.25T won ($5.5B USD), remaining Samsung's most lucrative division (Samsung's large component electronics, display, and household electronics units typically post leaner margins).

When you take just the smartphone sales of Samsung's mobile unit, the company appears to be nearly as profitable as its archrival Apple, a feat analysts long thought would be impossible for an Android phonemaker.

It was an eventful quarter for Samsung, which saw Apple's $1.05B USD copyright infringement verdict over it start to unravel with a pair of patent invalidations by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO).  Samsung also scored a 3 percent stake in rival Japanese TV display maker Sharp Corp. (TYO:6753), paying around 10.4B yen ($108M USD).  The move could be a threat to Apple's supply chain, as Sharp is the second largest producer of iPhone displays.

II. Galaxy Phones Outsell iPhones by Almost 2-to-1

Samsung does not announce its unit sales of smartphones, but IBK Securities analyst Lee Seung Woo predicts that the record sales will come on the back of 68.5m smartphones sold globally.

Apple is expected, according to the Financial Times analyst survey, to have sold around 37m iPhones in the first three months of 2013, indicating a roughly 2-to-1 lead in unit sales for Samsung.

Galaxy S IV
The Galaxy S IV lands later this month. [Image Source: Samsung]

The earnings guidance may further trouble Apple investors who were recently disturbed by a research note from Citigroup Inc. (C) analyst Glen Yeung who suggested Apple may miss its own earnings guidance.  Mr. Young is predicting Apple may make as little as $40.5B USD in revenue (which in turn would indicate a "weaker" profit in the $9B USD ballpark).  

He predicts Apple will only move 34 million smartphones for the quarter (almost precisely half Samsung's shipments).  In his note he wrote, "In conducting our regular field work with the hardware supply chain, we again find evidence of reduced demand to Apple's suppliers for iPhone 5 related components.  While production does not directly translate to sales (for example, we estimate Apple finished 1Q13 (Dec) with [around] 10M iPhone units in inventory), we suspect this is an indication of softer demand for iPhone 5 and iPhone 4S."

Samsung has stated that it hopes to climb to 390m smartphone sales in 2013.

III. Packed Lineup of High-End Hardware Ahead

What's more, Samsung appears to be firing on all cylinders without even unleashing its strongest weapon -- the Galaxy S IV.  Excitement for the GSIV -- which packs a bigger screen (5-inches; 1080p), better camera (13 MP) and hands-free gestures -- is running wild.  In his note Lee Seung Woo predicts Samsung to sell 82m smartphones in Q2 2013.

Galaxy S IV
The Galaxy S IV is expected to be a top seller this summer.

Nomura Holdings, Inc. (TYO:8604) analyst Chung Chang Won told Bloomberg that the GSIV is expected to be a fast seller out the gate, commenting, "Second-quarter profit [April-June] looks even better than the first, as the Galaxy S4 will have a great impact.  Samsung’s shipments of its flagship smartphone will outpace that of the iPhone sometime in the second or third quarter."

There are more boosts waiting on the horizon as well.  Samsung is expected to refresh its popular Galaxy Note tablet mid-year.  The company is also rumored to be producing a superphone with an Intel Corp. (INTC) powered processor, which will run Intel and Samsung's co-developed Tizen mobile Linux kernel/UI.  And there are rumors of a 6.3-inch Android "Galaxy Mega" smartphone on the horizon.  Last, but not least, Samsung is rumored to be slating a GSIV-like smartphone for release with Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) upcoming Windows Phone Blue platform this fall.

Like Apple, Samsung is rumored to be developing a wristwatch-like smartphone/mini-tablet/media-device.

In short, Samsung has a packed lineup on the high end while Apple is not expected to launch its iPhone 5S (or iPhone 6, possibly) counteroffensive until June 2013 at the earliest [source].

IV. U.S. Sales Still Need Improvement, But Samsung Excels in China

If there's one weak spot in Samsung's stellar performance, it's U.S. sales -- which happen to be the strongest spot for Apple.  In September-November Apple grew its share of U.S. subscribers to 39.8 percent, while Samsung only reached 21.3 percent.  While that balance will likely shift with the GSIV launch, it remains to be seen if Samsung will be able to beat Apple in its home court.

However, Samsung stands head and shoulders above Apple in performance in developing markets.  While the iPhone is seen as a status symbol among China's elite, Apple is still reeling from a PR disaster regarding poor warranty support in China, which led the nation's state-run media publications to skewer the American firm with scathing articles.

Samsung China
Samsung is performing well in China, even as Apple reels from negative publicity.
[Image Source: Venture Beat]

Glen Yeung -- the same Citi analyst who predicts an Apple miss for this last quarter -- says that the Chinese boondoggle could cost Apple around $13B USD in sales, owing to ill-will in the nation's largest mobile market.

Samsung meanwhile continues to ascend in Chinese sales and enjoys a warm relationship with the Chinese media.  Meritz Securities analyst notes, "In addition to the Galaxy S3, mini models sold well in emerging markets, including China, Brazil and India.  Samsung’s continued ascent in the smartphone industry seems to be unparalleled."

Sources: Samsung on Newswire, Bloomberg

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Griping over an American company
By Connoisseur on 4/5/2013 1:43:01 PM , Rating: -1
I always wonder why there are so many anti-Apple fanatics right here in the US. I mean, I understand that competition is good and that maybe Apple products aren't ideal for everyone but I find it funny that a lot of Americans are essentially rooting against an American company in favor of the foreign rivals.

I'm not saying people shouldn't disagree with certain business practices or products but the amount of zeal against the company seems mostly unfounded, especially since their rivals operate on very similar practices.

RE: Griping over an American company
By Spuke on 4/5/2013 2:06:09 PM , Rating: 4
but I find it funny that a lot of Americans are essentially rooting against an American company in favor of the foreign rivals
Best product wins here. Yeah, we're weird like that.

By TakinYourPoints on 4/7/2013 11:22:46 PM , Rating: 2
To be clear, I don't care about sales contests. Incorrect statements like "the earth is flat" bother me though.

High end devices like the GS3 and GN2 only make up about a quarter of Samsung's sales. They are niche products compared to the iPhone. The old 4S continues to outsell the GS3, and the iPhone 5 outsold the GS3's total cumulative sales within a single quarter.

On topic with this article, I'm certain that the GS4 will do better than the GS3. The question is what percentage of Samsung's total sales will they be. Samsung's profit margins will increase substantially if their sales shift from less profitable low end devices to more high end units like the GS4. Apple's profit comes from the fact that they don't sell low end hardware at all.

Samsung wants a piece of that pie bad, and it shows in how they're outspending everyone to market their flagship devices. Even if they don't outsell Apple they are guaranteed to make a mint dominating the high end of Android. I don't see how HTC or LG are supposed to compete with them, they're going to get crushed no matter how much better their hardware may end up being.

RE: Griping over an American company
By Freeseus on 4/5/2013 2:10:08 PM , Rating: 3
It's not about the phone. Apple as a company has spent the last several years suing the crap out of almost every company it competes with. It may create some beautiful things, but it has an public image problem.

RE: Griping over an American company
By xti on 4/5/2013 2:39:41 PM , Rating: 5
Apple apparently clubs baby seals.

By Bubbacub on 4/6/2013 12:17:00 PM , Rating: 2
finally the truth!

RE: Griping over an American company
By Tony Swash on 4/5/13, Rating: -1
RE: Griping over an American company
By retrospooty on 4/5/2013 3:56:49 PM , Rating: 4
You just cant help yourself can you? You see an article on a company that competes with Apple and you just hvae to try and spread your FUD.

Well, here... consider your reality distortion fiels busted for yet another thread.

Na na na boo boo , Google's better than you!

By Cheesew1z69 on 4/5/2013 4:05:33 PM , Rating: 2
Oh look...another one of his go to links....

RE: Griping over an American company
By Tony Swash on 4/5/13, Rating: -1
RE: Griping over an American company
By retrospooty on 4/5/2013 9:23:24 PM , Rating: 4
So, I am confused... Market share matters or not?

When it benefits Apple you seem to think its important, but when its a competitor you dont... Wait, nevermind. Look who I am talking to. Bias incarnate.

It is a nice chart of Apple sales in one region, the quarter of a yearly product refresh. Way to slice and dice 'em. If you are looking at marketshare, let me help you... Its still 5 to 1 in favor of Android. Now, look at all the great 1080p phones that are coming out this quarter while Apple still has the tiny little low res, non HD, feature weak iPhone5.

RE: Griping over an American company
By Tony Swash on 4/6/13, Rating: -1
RE: Griping over an American company
By retrospooty on 4/6/2013 9:31:23 AM , Rating: 2
"No it doesn't. What matters for businesses are sales, profits and business trajectory. "

True, and if I were to somehow magically "own" a business that consisted of current top mobile offerings (Meaning, If I could own Android, IOS, WP, or BB) you bet your butt Apple would be my choice simply for the current profit situation...

But let me remind you that cant happen and this isn't a business site, nor a financial investment site. This is a tech site. On the tech side of things, IOS is weak and old and past its prime. Not that it cant be updated, and catch up, but so far it isn't. Rumors of IOS7 's major UI change are interesting, but just rumors. Today, Android has left it in the past. The HUGE list of missing features on IOS is soemthing that should make any visitor to a tech site like this cringe.

RE: Griping over an American company
By Tony Swash on 4/6/2013 1:47:03 PM , Rating: 1
The HUGE list of missing features on IOS is soemthing that should make any visitor to a tech site like this cringe.

Does that list of missing features include malware, blocked OS upgrades, fewer developers and no killer apps, paltry digital content and a laggy interface?

RE: Griping over an American company
By retrospooty on 4/6/2013 2:39:57 PM , Rating: 2
Nope... Because none of that is an issue on any relatively new phone other than in your head.

What it does have that your "starter" smartphone doesnt have is...

- Larger Screens
- Higher resolution screens with better DPI
- Better Edge to Edge display (no giant iBezel)
- Micro SD card
- Removable batteries
- 802.11ac
- Mini HDMI port
- Better Notifications
- Faster Voice search
- Better Mapping software
- Widgets
- Live wallpaper
- Plays HD content without downscaling
- Greater than 5x4 icons
- Multi user support
- Multi Window support
- pop up browser(in a window)
- Wireless charging
- Eye scrolling
- Waterproof models
- Air gestures
- Active stylus support
- Better OS
- Better UI
- Prettier OS
- Plug and play as a flash drive to copy files
- Flexibility in OS (Tons of Custom ROM's, etc)
- Flexibility in hardware (qwerty models, waterproof models, removable batteries, larger models, smaller models, high end models, mid range models, cheap models)
- Micro USB (Like every other phone made by every other manufacturer on planet Earth for the past four years, except of course, Apple)

Enough for ya?

RE: Griping over an American company
By Tony Swash on 4/6/13, Rating: 0
RE: Griping over an American company
By retrospooty on 4/6/2013 8:41:54 PM , Rating: 2
You are a real piece of work aren't you? You come into an article about Samsung, to post your usual pro Apple rhetoric as you do in all articles about all companies that compete with Apple. I post against your one-sided nonsense of skewed partial data... You as always go back to the financial end of it, I again remind you this isn't a financial site its a tech site and you act as if all I am doing here is defending my own purchase? Here is a hint for you. I haven't purchased a phone in a long time. Mine is 100% free, any phone I want, once a year or so through my work. Unlike you, I am not here to champion a company. I post against your drivel to insure no one comes in and actually reads your nonsense and makes a bad choice. That is all. I am the Batman to your joker (I post on behalf of tech, you post on behalf of an asshole of a company) That and the old "Someone on the internet is wrong" thing that you posted a while back. That is why I am here, and that is why I dont let you get away with your spin. You wanna call me out? call me out for what I am doing as I do to you.

RE: Griping over an American company
By jSON1976 on 4/6/13, Rating: 0
RE: Griping over an American company
By retrospooty on 4/6/2013 10:07:04 PM , Rating: 2
you must be new here. I don't care about Samsung at all or any company for that matter. What I am is tired of listening to Tony's drivel year after year. Stick around you'll see what I mean.

RE: Griping over an American company
By karlostomy on 4/7/2013 5:34:49 AM , Rating: 2
Come on guys.

We all know Tony Swash is a troll.
He selectively posts links that support his arguments yet ignores any and all evidence that contradicts his view.

There is no point in responding to him.

Best thing to do:
- applaud his rare insightful and meaningful posts
- down vote his multitude of inflammatory posts
- move on.

RE: Griping over an American company
By testerguy on 4/7/13, Rating: 0
By Cheesew1z69 on 4/7/2013 7:54:58 AM , Rating: 2
Seriously Retrospooty, you're pretty much the definition of a troll.
Oh the irony...

By retrospooty on 4/7/2013 8:47:57 AM , Rating: 3
He says from under his bridge...

By TakinYourPoints on 4/7/2013 11:30:15 PM , Rating: 2
absolutely tragic

Yeah, it is REALLY sad. I can visualize his precious precious txt file sitting right on the desktop, ctrl-c and ctrl-v at the ready.

By retrospooty on 4/7/2013 1:32:02 PM , Rating: 2
"We all know Tony Swash is a troll.
He selectively posts links that support his arguments yet ignores any and all evidence that contradicts his view. There is no point in responding to him.

Best thing to do:
- applaud his rare insightful and meaningful posts
- down vote his multitude of inflammatory posts
- move on. "

You are right... I do need to stop feeding him. Arguing with an anonymous agenda driven poopbutt like Tony is pointless.

By cyberguyz on 4/8/2013 6:18:26 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, he's new retro.

He hasn't gotten fed up with Tony's Apple fanboyism yet.


I prefer Android devices and am not a fan of Apple products. I have a lot of reasons for that dating all the way back to the Apple Lisa (loved the Apple I & ][, though as long as it had an secondary Intel/Zilog processor for running CP/M & UCSD Pascal).

I know where apple came from and the minute they started closing their doors to open systems, I closed my doors to them. I really hate proprietary systems that limits my right to customize it any way I please.

I am far from alone in that way. If you don't believe me, try pounding on your Apple drum here:

Might be fun to see how long you last.

By goatfajitas on 4/7/2013 1:40:06 PM , Rating: 2
"Retrosppoty. Stop being a Samsung whore. Do you only date women (or men?) with Android devices? Or more accurately Samsung devices? Get a grip. Also, Tony's links are pretty solid so get over it. I'm assuming you only use Samsung microwaves too."

You couldnt be more wrong. Tony is a well known dailytech troll going back years and years. He is entertaining though. Retrospooty should really stop feeding him and just lt it go.

By Manch on 4/9/2013 7:14:27 AM , Rating: 2
two posts? Tony did you make another acct?

RE: Griping over an American company
By maugrimtr on 4/8/2013 8:55:49 AM , Rating: 2
The financial side is that analysts are suspecting Apple will miss their earnings guidance while Samsung continues to close the gap with Apple's profitability without even the release of a new Galaxy yet.

Please, stop listening to Tony about financials. He farts out weighted graphics and misinformation, analyses data the wrong way (he ignores context), and relies on short term movements to demonstrate a long term trend (which is simply stupid). He will literally quote, misquote and manipulate anything to fit his worldview of Apple being a dominating long term success (instead of the short term/high growth, nearing maturity, success that it actually is).

If you want financials, Google's share price has increased steadily over the years, Samsung has increased and is currently stable, while Apple... Well, Apple has fallen by a massive %. One of these is not like the others. Just don't expect Tony to tell you which one...

By retrospooty on 4/8/2013 1:25:46 PM , Rating: 3
"lease, stop listening to Tony about financials. He farts out weighted graphics and misinformation, analyses data the wrong way (he ignores context), and relies on short term movements to demonstrate a long term trend (which is simply stupid). He will literally quote, misquote and manipulate anything to fit his worldview of Apple being a dominating long term success"

Exactly... Most of us here know that. Like I say, he tends to tell "The Truth" and "Nothing But The Truth" but ALWAYS leaves out "The Whole Truth" ... Meaning, he paints a false picture. He's a smart bloke, and its not by accident. Tony's posts are well thought out, and cleverly worded to bend facts and obscure information, done with the skill of a seasoned politician. He isn't here to see what is going on in the tech world, or to learn what products may be coming. He is here on an agenda to try and change minds... For whatever reason. I will leave that reason to others. Whether a paid shill, or an obsessed fanboy is irrelevant, neither is acceptable.

RE: Griping over an American company
By TakinYourPoints on 4/7/2013 11:13:34 PM , Rating: 2
Look at this emphasis on inflated bulletpoint features while ignoring fundamental things like the quality of screens, battery life/performance balance, and better third party support.

Lots of glitz and flash with surprisingly little substance.

If we cut out the crap (space consuming tech like HDMI ports that is better replaced by Miracast or Airplay), lies (the iPhone 5 bezel is half the thickness of the GS3, flash drive functionality not being in iOS when its available through apps, better mapping software even though iOS has better ones, Google Maps included), or are the byproduct of your technical ignorance ( video scalers, how do they work?), then there are a few things worth looking at getting from Android over into iOS.

Multiuser support isn't needed for phones but it is certainly needed for tablets. iPads need it and I hope iOS7 gets it.

Otherwise its all preference. Flexibility in hardware is a great thing Android has, but of course it comes at the cost of better software. That's a clear tradeoff. Same with bigger screens, SD cards, and removable batteries: useful to some but at the cost of requiring bigger chassis. Actually, it isn't necessary; HTC's newest devices are massive and they prevent users from getting inside them even more than people getting into their iPhones. The One is sealed up tight.

The rest of the list is glitz and flash that ignores practicality and polish. Superficial people clearly enjoy superfluous UI flash at the expense of significantly better applications and superior developer support, but some people like making Linux flashy as well.

I'll take a massively supported but boring 15-year-old Windows 7 UI over tweakable Linux that is poorly supported but can do this, but that's just me:

- Better OS

How can a superior OS have fewer killers apps and so many bad ports? What good is a flashy UI when the stuff you're navigating to is so limited?

Again, enjoy Android, HTC in particular has great hardware! 4.2 has come a long way to catching to where iOS and WP were in terms of polish! Thinking that it doesn't come with inherent deficiencies in terms of software, support (both 3rd party and 1st party), and polish, is pure delusion and fanboyism though.

Pros and cons, every platform has them. No list, no matter how inflated and sad, can change that.

Try and be objective.

By Cheesew1z69 on 4/8/2013 9:35:47 AM , Rating: 2
Try and be objective.

RE: Griping over an American company
By retrospooty on 4/8/2013 1:34:53 PM , Rating: 2
"How can a superior OS have fewer killers apps and so many bad ports? What good is a flashy UI when the stuff you're navigating to is so limited?"

I totally agree with that statement... The only thing "wrong" with it is that its not an accurate description of Android in 2013. It would certainly fit Android in 2010/2011. Like I keep saying, you need to update your spin.

As for the rest... Look, I get that you like Apple. You dont need alot from your phone, other than apps. It works for you and that is good. I require more from my phone, I need it to be more dynamic and to do more. That huge list isnt all petty stuff, regardless if YOU dont use them... The vast majority of it is highly useful, with a few being opinion and niche. Like I said, if you dont need it and like a small low res phone with great battery life and apps, and dont care about a modern UI or the giant list of missing features the iPhone is a great phone. Clearly millions and millions like it just fine. You dont need to sing its praises or defend it here, its falling on deaf ears (people that know better).

RE: Griping over an American company
By TakinYourPoints on 4/8/2013 9:09:22 PM , Rating: 2
Keep telling yourself its close, it isn't. It's like heaing a Linux fanatic say that GIMP is better than Photoshop.

At best you're finally seeing ports of staple iOS apps from 2008 like Instapaper getting on Android, what, four years later? Big news is something as simple as an old iOS coupon clipping app finally getting on Android, the same weekend Blizzard announces an entirely new game for Mac/PC/iOS and 2K Games announces a straight PC port of X-Com 2012, both on iOS and with no plans for Android. I know you think games are irrelevant so there's also the pro industry. You talk about inferior maps, hell, the aviation industry uses iOS devices for their flight docs now: Then there's medical, financial, media, best-in-class utilities for SSH/FTP, etc.

Yes, I know you aren't a pilot or a doctor or a media pro, but this is about the depth and quality of the app ecosystems. Whatever you need, the best versions are on iOS. Android having as many apps doesn't mean much when high end developers either aren't developing for it or are making half-baked ports. So much of that Android number is inflated by shovelware, cloneware, and malware. Even Microsoft has most of their mobile software on iOS without Android versions. Heck, Google has better versions of GMail and Maps on it.

Unless its something ultra-mainstream like Netflix or Angry Birds it just isn't the same. Maybe that's all you need and you can deal with second-class apps for the rest, that's understandable.

It isn't about "liking Apple". I know that's hard to understand since you come at this from an emotional point of view where Android is your "home team". For me its all about the best product for what I want. I own products in multiple ecosystems (Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Sony, Nintendo, etc). My favorite tablet is a Kindle e-reader for chrissakes.

I want more apps on my boring desktop, so I use Windows. Same with iOS, I'll take a "boring" but solid OS any day so long as it has better applications. What use is a "flashy" Android UI when there's so less to actually DO with the OS? Its like the flashy Linux CompizUI mods. All glitz but who cares?

You dont need alot from your phone, other than apps. It works for you and that is good. I require more from my phone, I need it to be more dynamic and to do more.

Apps define usage, apps are everything. Apps are what separate smartphones from featurephones and dumbphones. Is a dumbphone all you need?

Smartphones (and to an even greater degree tablets) are app machines, without them they lose functionality. Android having inferior apps by definition means inferior functionality as defined by third parties.

If I didn't care about third party applications then I'd just dump Windows for a Chromebook.

You clearly don't use your phone very much. If you're fine with vanilla apps and ultra-mainstream stuff then I can totally see why you're can't see the point. If you're not missing anything then why would you even know to care?

If usage is defined by SD cards then that's totally fine, I totally get it, but don't pretend the app or polish situations are the same. I completely understand that I give up 5"-6" screens for greater software utility and OS polish. You either don't want to accept or don't understand the degree of utility you're giving up for bigger screens and SD card slots.

An objective person, any reviewer on Anandtech for instance, understands the advantages of Android hardware (multiple configurations, etc) while also understanding its weaknesses (applications, polish, support).

My only issue is how much in denial you are. You pretend there are no weaknesses at all, which is insane. EVERY platform has deficiencies, its all about choosing the right balance. You're like the Baghdad Bob of Android. :)

I'm not trying to change your mind, just own what you like and accept where it falls short. I have no problem doing that myself.

RE: Griping over an American company
By Manch on 4/9/2013 8:48:11 AM , Rating: 2
Stop, just stop.

foreflight is not the type of map software he's talking about and you know it. He's referring to Apples map sotware used to replace googlemaps. As for foreflight, there are equivalent programs used by the industry available for Android as well.

By retrospooty on 4/9/2013 10:13:25 AM , Rating: 2
I dont think he can stop. Its some kind of obsession. Anyone that disagrees he has to post a 10 paragraph dissertation on why his is the only view that matters.

Meanwhile, Android is firing on all pistons. Even though it has surpassed IOS in almost every way, its not resting, still improving constantly while IOS stagnates.

By retrospooty on 4/9/2013 10:11:33 AM , Rating: 2
Like I said... 2010 called, it wants is arguments back. In 2013, everything you post about apps is not true. Again, you act like IOS is a 10 of 10 and Android is 2 of 10 on a 10 scale. Its more like IOS is a 9 and Android an 8. It's not like there are no apps and no support. You want to say apps are bettter on IOS, I agree, its a bit better, but you argue like Android has nothing at all going on and that is just a pure lie. There are tons of great apps, games and there isnt a single thing you can do on IOS that you cant on Android. the opposite is not true period, end of story.

RE: Griping over an American company
By jSON1976 on 4/6/2013 9:31:46 PM , Rating: 1
Na na na boo boo , Google's better than you!
Google is better? You are a moron. Even google fears Samsung. It's not Google v Apple idiot. It's Samsung vs Apple and Samsumg makes plastic junk. Enjoy it. I wonder how many page hits on DT are from iPads. :-).

By cyberguyz on 4/8/2013 6:37:22 AM , Rating: 1
JSON, you look like yet another one of Tony's trolling accounts...

As long as Apple continues to be a closed Software+Hardware vendor it will be Apple vs everyone else.

Just happens that Samsung is the highest selling Android smartphone maker. I saw it mentioned in this thread that 3 out of 4 carriers carry iPhones. Gee, really? LOL! Bit of misinformation there since I have yet to see a carrier that doesn't carry iPhones. That guesstimate didn't come from me.

I will put it to you that every single carrier out there carries Android phones of some sort and that 99% of those will carry at least one Samsung phone model.

Samsung, for being not being a hardware + software, "my way or the highway" vendor does pretty damn good in comparison to Apple. Now put all those Android-based hardware vendors together and you will find 3 Android phones selling for each iPhone.

I don't care that my Sammy GS3 has a plastic back cover. I can pop that off and swap out the battery (and replace it with one having 3 times the capacity) any time I want. I like having a 32GB MicroSD card to store all my shit on. And I like that when the Sammy SG4s come out I can pop that card out and have all my shit instantly available on that new GS4.

Isn't having a phone with an open architecture from the software on up grand? I wouldn't trade that for an Apple sealed up in an aluminum box for the world. No thanks!

By half_duplex on 4/5/2013 5:00:33 PM , Rating: 2
Apple isn't the only company taking people to court.

RE: Griping over an American company
By testerguy on 4/7/2013 5:56:24 AM , Rating: 1
Apple as a company has spent the last several years suing the crap out of almost every company it competes with

Apple has been targeted by more legal suits than it has started.

Samsung, for example, has sought to ban the iPhone 4, 4S and 5 completely. Not only over a FRAND patent (which is already highly illegal), but also over a FRAND patent which had already been licensed by Qualcomm.

You don't hear as much about the thousands of failed and illegal lawsuits from Apple's competitors like Samsung because they tend to fail, because they don't have a case .

If Apple has an image problem its root cause is a public ignorance problem.

By Alexstarfire on 4/10/2013 11:03:20 AM , Rating: 2
I'm guessing that's because you stop reading when people started talking about it. I remember quite clearly that when Samsung started the suit with the FRAND patent that many people were like WTF, for that exact reason. On the other hand, it probably blew over quickly because it was against Apple. Both suits are ridiculous, but the one that Samsung started went the extra mile.

RE: Griping over an American company
By amanojaku on 4/5/2013 2:11:32 PM , Rating: 5
What makes Apple an American company? Last I heard, Apple's manufacturing comes from China, amongst other places. And Samsung actually opened manufacturing plants in the US. Large companies are global companies, they don't really have a national identity.

By jimbojimbo on 4/5/2013 3:46:16 PM , Rating: 4
True. Anybody in the US can invest in international companies so it doesn't really matter. The one place it does matter is if Americans are paid by these companies. Apple may be a US company but they try to offshore as much as they can and they sure as hell do.

By Any14Tee on 4/5/2013 2:40:00 PM , Rating: 1
Hope I'm not coming across as banal, it's an American product but its business practice ethics have a lot to be desired - not saying other companies are saints.

I loved Apple Computers Inc. in the 80's, it tried to do it's own thing and these guys were seriously chilled and it was easy to endear to their pioneering spirit but over a course of time it became successful and grew into a whore.

Its ability to propagate its products with shades of Orwellian seasoning thrown into the mix and draw on cult following which beckons the second coming, is truly phenomenal and awe inspiring. I would root for Apple any day if it was less pretentious, less hip, less best thing since slice bread. Its not but it has set standards which others followed and even surpassed. Its more a level playing field now (ok two companies in the game, the others still picking up the crumbs).

I think also we need to understand the American psyche, a lot of Americans believe in fair play and a sense of justice and it matters not, if the company is predominantly American. If it goes against their fundamental core of principles which are inherently rooted into cognizance of every American, then it's un-American and likely to get boo'ed down.

By jimbojimbo on 4/5/2013 3:56:34 PM , Rating: 2
I don't care what company makes it as long as it's the product that meets all my requirements. It just so happens that Samsung's S4 fits the bill now. I used to have an iPhone maybe 5 years ago but since then they really haven't been the best.

RE: Griping over an American company
By retrospooty on 4/5/13, Rating: 0
RE: Griping over an American company
By half_duplex on 4/5/2013 5:02:53 PM , Rating: 3
You are one hard core fanboy aren't you.

How will you fill your time when "Apple loses"???

By retrospooty on 4/5/2013 5:23:44 PM , Rating: 2
Hardcore? No, just observant. A question was asked, and I answered it truthfully.

By random2 on 4/5/2013 7:12:42 PM , Rating: 1
Might have something to do with the fact they like to deny issues with products, like batteries that heat up and rupture, phone antennae that don't work, deleting comments from their forums disclosing issues with products like defective LCD screens, requiring people to sign non-disclosure agreements before replacing defective product, the fact they stole pretty much all of the technology, be it hardware or software, that got the company started and then turn out to be the largest patent troll int the world, claiming they are Eco friendly, but make it almost impossible to replace a battery or upgrade their MacBook Pro.
I could go on, but it's really not worth the effort. Sheeple, some of them surprisingly intelligent, will continue to bow down to the mighty Apple in the sky as long as they can claim to have paid ridiculous amounts of money for shiny products that don't always perform as well as lower priced products from other makers.

RE: Griping over an American company
By Reclaimer77 on 4/5/2013 7:15:18 PM , Rating: 1
It's called "Karma"

By mike66 on 4/5/2013 8:31:15 PM , Rating: 2
That's by Fisker, also had battery issues and a bit to expensive for what it is.

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