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First 900 locations will be ready in May with the remainder coming by early summer

Samsung has announced that it has teamed up with Best Buy to help promote the wide range of Samsung mobile products. The partnership between Samsung and Best Buy will see Samsung Experience Shops installed in 1,400 Best Buy and Best Buy Mobile locations around the country.

The installation of the Samsung Experience Shops in Best Buy locations around the country will be rolled out in stages. Samsung expects 900 Best Buy and Best Buy Mobile locations around the country will have Experience Shops by early May, while the remaining locations will have them installed by early summer.

Customers who visit the Samsung Experience Shop will be able to touch and play with Samsung's full range of mobile products including smartphones, tablets, laptops, connected cameras, and accessories. Some Best Buy locations will also get Samsung Smart Service with dedicated Samsung Experience Consultants and Best Buy blue shirt sales associates.

Employees working these Experience Shops will be specially trained on Samsung products including activation and usage. These employees will be able to help customers with demonstrations, basic product services, Samsung account set up, warranty registration, and post purchase support.

 
If this sounds familiar, it’s because Apple has already made its mark on Best Buy stores with dedicated sections that display various products ranging from iPads to MacBook Airs to iMacs.

"Samsung has been delivering the latest innovation across the consumer electronics category for some time," said Dale Sohn, president of Samsung Telecommunications America. "With the Samsung Experience Shops, we are ensuring consumers get the most of that innovation by learning how to leverage their mobile devices across our ecosystem of consumer electronics. Consumers will have one place to not only explore and learn about our full portfolio of mobile products, but also the support of a Samsung expert to help with selecting and servicing them. This will truly be a unique mobile shopping experience."

Samsung says the largest of its Experience Shops will be approximately 460 square feet. The size of the Experience Shops will of course vary depending on the Best Buy store size.
 
Rumors surfaced earlier this week that Samsung would soon be launching a line of big-screen smartphones called Mega. Devices such as this will certainly be featured prominently in the Experience Shop locations.

Source: Best Buy



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RE: Wow...
By TakinYourPoints on 4/5/2013 12:34:47 AM , Rating: 1
Your link is old, the comscare data is up to date and reflects slight narrowing in the US.

Android having more users is fine either way, I don't care. The more important thing to me is that proper high end smartphones running Android remains a small niche.

Samsung's sales from high end devices like the GS3 and GN2 are only about a quarter of their total sales. Breaking this down it means that only 5% of total marketshare are high end Samsung smartphones, while 100% of smartphones sold by Apple (making up nearly 40% in the US) are in the high end, and it is all a unified platform.

Samsung's numbers matters here because they dwarf the high end and low end sales of HTC (who do make good hardware right now), Motorola, LG, etc.

Of course, if all you care about are raw numbers then yes, Android is running on a lot of low end devices. Many people here come to very weird conclusions based on the numbers though. Some people actually believe that Android outnumbering iOS 5:1 means that the GS3 outnumbers the iPhone, and that they are entitled by developers for the same high quality applications. That just goes against reality, the total number of GS3s sold was crossed by the iPhone 5 in only three months, and the old iPhone 4S still outsells it.

60 million Samsung phones in a quarter doesn't mean 60 million high end devices running ICS or JB, its also a lot cheap stuff running ICS or Gingerbread. They sure know how to market though.


RE: Wow...
By retrospooty on 4/5/2013 1:05:34 AM , Rating: 2
"Your link is old, the comscare data is up to date and reflects slight narrowing in the US"

Oh yeah. The report came out 3 whole days ago for the 3 month period ending in Feb 2013. How old is that? And even at that, its only US not World. In the whole world the difference is even larger... And this is in the period right after a yearly product refresh. You think March-May will look better? All these great new Android 1080p superphones and... still the same little low res iPhone.

http://www.kantarworldpanel.com/global/News/Androi...

Anyhow, I was replying to Tony, who was posting that #'s matter, just shutting him down. As far as everything else you mentioned... Yawn... You have said it all a hundred times in the past 6 months. #'s are #'s, they are what they are. Profits are profits, they are what they are. Features are features, they are what they are... And iPhones are severely lacking in that category. :P


RE: Wow...
By TakinYourPoints on 4/5/2013 6:00:35 PM , Rating: 2
I don't see how Android being an OS that is still playing catch up, is still a platform that developers despise, and is still mainly on low end hardware can be considered a "feature", but sure thing dude!


RE: Wow...
By Reclaimer77 on 4/5/2013 7:08:59 PM , Rating: 2
By "playing catchup" I assume you're, as usual, only basing that on things YOU think are important.

When we counter this with things that Android blows iOS at, you simply respond with a trollish "those are gimmicks" and blow them off as irrelevant.

Developers despise? Yeeeah, hyperbole in the extreme. Last I checked there were millions of Android developers, multiple major app stores for Android, etc etc. Seems like a pretty thriving community for people who "despise" doing the work.

Like Tony, you don't even see your own bias. This is apparently a normal way to look at this stuff lol.


RE: Wow...
By TakinYourPoints on 4/6/2013 5:34:33 AM , Rating: 3
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Developers despise? Yeeeah, hyperbole in the extreme. Last I checked there were millions of Android developers, multiple major app stores for Android, etc etc. Seems like a pretty thriving community for people who "despise" doing the work.


Despise is an understatement, I don't know a single Android developer who likes doing it. They do it because there are enough users out there to require it, they don't do it because they want to.

This came up a few days ago, developer for a major app that is on iOS, Android, and WP8. Several other developers chimed in with their negative experiences, as well as one of the people who works at Google trying to give some help.

http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=29943362#item_2...
http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=29943478#item_2...
http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=29943648#item_2...

Another quote:
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And along comes Android phones supporting 1080p with an insane 440PPI. So now you have a whole new graphics set 50% higher res than the next smallest res. This would be considered xxhdpi. BUT!! BUT!!! Android has no proper support of xxhdpi.

Getting the 1080p phones to properly support those assets requires all sorts of hacking and trickery. It doesn't work at all. Oh but it looks perfect on the emulator, apparently.


He summed it up here:

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Android isn't a tool. It's quicksand advertised as concrete.


Another quote from elsewhere:
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As a developer, I can back this up. I made a web game that ran smoothly on an iPhone 4, averaging about 30fps, great on an iPhone 5 at 60fps, and like crap on the FOUR core Galaxy S3, at about 20fps.

Don't even get me started on the fact that I had to support Android all the way back to 2.3.3, and the Android Browser which has been modified by the various hardware makers (HTC, Samsung, etc) to break a few web standards we needed. I can't wait for the day when the whole world is on a late version of Chrome.


Forget software, I've seen hardware compatibility issues where something would run on Tegra 3 but not Enyxos, and vice versa.

Quote from an id Software developer that I posted before:

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For gaming, Android's hardware diversity is a curse, not a blessing. Let's say you have 200 potential devices to support (as a rough example). Of those, only 20 can actually run games at a level you'd be comfortable with. That remaining 20 has 2-3 display resolutions and graphics architectures to support, and only that same amount of phones has enough users to justify development -- but that combined group ends up being considerably smaller than the iOS group you could reach. You end up either giving up sales or building for the lowest common denominator.

iOS may have limited selection, but it's much, much, much easier to develop knowing that you'll hit a big swath of users -- including much larger media player and tablet audiences. You can also optimize your code much more effectively. Knowing that fewer people will steal your game just makes it that much easier to justify supporting iOS first or exclusively.


More work and headache to make less money. The people I know who truly deeply hate Android aren't users or fanboys, they're developers.

I know you're going to take all of this as anecdotal evidence because the conclusion offends you, but the continued and widening gap in applications even from major companies like Microsoft and Blizzard (and Google!) points to Android still being a secondary development platform.

No joke, this honestly surprises me. A year ago I thought that the gap would have closed, but it hasn't gotten any better.


RE: Wow...
By Reclaimer77 on 4/6/2013 9:00:35 AM , Rating: 1
Takin far too often you resort to this "people I know" argument. This is what's called "myopic".

Yes, clearly you can find developers who whine and moan about Android. That wasn't the argument. They are clearly in the vast minority. We can evidence this from the fact that Android app markets and apps are everywhere today. There's no shortage of either. There's simply no evidence that Android is some loathsome platform to code for, in the GENERAL sense.

You've frequently tried to make this argument, but I'm like, who cares? Congrats on your cherry picked examples and quotes from, obvious, unprofessional people and teenage developers.

If I cared right now I could fire up the Google and find just as many examples of people bitching over some iOS development issue. You know I'm right. But that's just lame and I'm not in the mood anyway.


RE: Wow...
By TakinYourPoints on 4/7/2013 10:43:39 PM , Rating: 2
I already covered your first paragraph by saying "I know you're going to take all of this as anecdotal evidence because the conclusion offends you".

Reality reflects those anecdotes, it continues to.

I was honest when I said that I thought the difference in Android and iOS apps would close up by now. It hasn't and I don't think that anything short of Google taking control back will even begin to reverse that trend.

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There's simply no evidence that Android is some loathsome platform to code for, in the GENERAL sense.


Major developers like MS, Blizzard, and EA continue to pass on it despite having resources and money.

This isn't rocket science: More expensive to develop for + lower profitability = fewer applications or inferior ports.

Reality seems to really bother you and retro. Its weird, you should enjoy your platforms based on their strengths (big screens, SD card slots) whatever their objective deficiencies are.


RE: Wow...
By retrospooty on 4/5/2013 7:52:44 PM , Rating: 2
"I don't see how Android being an OS that is still playing catch up"

Sorry, Android caught up, then surpassed, then lapped and is now making IOS look simply stagnant and mindnumbingly boring. Seriously, where do you come up with this stuff? Nevermind, dont even answer, just insert everything you have parroted for the past 6 months. I know. I know. Regardless of how many missing features and the total lack of options IOS is a better OS because it has better apps in your opinion.

Good luck with that point that you are stuck on. Your mind is closed like a clenched fist. Let me know when you are ready to pry it open and get off the best platform of 2007-2011. Its 2013 now and the world has passed you by and you cant even see it.


RE: Wow...
By TakinYourPoints on 4/6/2013 5:18:47 AM , Rating: 2
OMG, widgets!

You made me see the light, thank you.

/sarcasm off

First off, Android doesn't have the best mobile UI, WP8 does. Why you think Android has any kind of advantage there, especially when most Android devices try their hardest to look like iOS (just look at all the GS4 shots), is beyond me.

Second, apps are how we use hardware. They're how we view video, interact with websites, interact with businesses and services, play games, do scheduling, do finance, do everything.

So yes, I guess I'll continue being stuck in this mindset that having objectively better applications matters. Silly me.

It seems like you think they're overrated. Perhaps you should consider dumping Windows for a Chromebook. Apps don't matter, right? Wait a second, you can't futz with the UI.

I know, Linux! Those silly Compiz UIs in Ubuntu seem like they'd be much more up your alley compared to stale old Windows 7: http://youtu.be/4QokOwvPxrE?t=1m35s


RE: Wow...
By Reclaimer77 on 4/6/2013 9:09:40 AM , Rating: 2
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First off, Android doesn't have the best mobile UI, WP8 does.


I don't even know how you state this as a fact. Maybe you think this is true, but I really cannot stand the Live Tiles UI concept. And clearly something like 94% of the worlds population feels the same way. Windows phone is dying on the vine, and you continue to hold it up as a great platform. Only an idiot would risk locking himself into THAT for two years. I think the last time people did, they were smacked in the face with the news that their new Windows Phone 7.5 was already obsolete when Windows Phone 8 was announced.

quote:
OMG, widgets!


Yeeah pretend that's the only thing Android has over iOS.

You're such a fanboi it's not even funny. You'll just do this for every thing we bring up. "Omg (insert here), big deal!"

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Second, apps are how we use hardware. They're how we view video, interact with websites, interact with businesses and services, play games, do scheduling, do finance, do everything.


Kinda of tying yourself in knots to bash Android here. Because Windows Phone, which you constantly rank higher than Android, is still to this day seriously hurting for app development. And they are the last to get those "killer apps" usually.

Anyway the constant bombastic method in which you approach this topis is tiring. There are way better things to do on a Saturday than attempting to break through a reality distortion field. Troll on!


RE: Wow...
By TakinYourPoints on 4/7/2013 10:46:19 PM , Rating: 2
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Kinda of tying yourself in knots to bash Android here. Because Windows Phone, which you constantly rank higher than Android, is still to this day seriously hurting for app development. And they are the last to get those "killer apps" usually.


Absolutely, and this is the biggest nagative thing about WP8.

I was talking specifically about its UI though, and it is great for mobile. Apps are why I won't switch over myself, but if it fits people's needs well then I don't see a reason why they shouldn't get it.


RE: Wow...
By retrospooty on 4/6/2013 9:44:37 AM , Rating: 2
"OMG, widgets! You made me see the light, thank you."

Widgets is one of like 20 things I can think of IOS is missing, [insert your favorite list here]. Lets not biol it down to one thing, there are a TON if things missing on IOS.

"First off, Android doesn't have the best mobile UI, WP8 does"

I wouldnt say that. Android BB, WP8 are all pretty equal if you ask me. Live tiles are OK, but I prefer custom widgets. BB has a good approach as well. The only thing you can say for sure is IOS is WAY behind all 3 of the others and still stuck in 2007. Hopefully the rumors of an IOS7 UI redesign are true.

"Second, apps are how we use hardware. They're how we view video, interact with websites, interact with businesses and services, play games, do scheduling, do finance, do everything. "

Yup, and there isn't a SINGLE thing you can do on IOS that you cant with Android. There are however a TON of things you can do on Android that you cannot on IOS. NOt sure if you are trying to make a point against me, you just made it for me.

"It seems like you think they're overrated. Perhaps you should consider dumping Windows for a Chromebook. Apps don't matter, right? Wait a second, you can't futz with the UI.
I know, Linux! Those silly Compiz UIs in Ubuntu seem like they'd be much more up your alley compared to stale old Windows 7: http://youtu.be/4QokOwvPxrE?t=1m35s"


Talk about a stretch. Pulling in things that are nothing alike to make a point really just loses the point. The app difference between Android and IOS is small. The app difference between Windows and Linux or Chrome is freegin huge. Again, there isn't a single thing you can do on IOS that you cant with Android. There are a ton of things you can do with Windows that you cannot do with Linux or Chrome.

You really neeed to change your handle because you are "givin" too many points lately. MAybe go back to the drawing board and come up with some new talking points. ITs gonna be hard because outside of larger screens, 4g and retina, the iiPhone hasnt changed in years. Neither have your arguments.

I wonder... With IOS stagnating and Android improving by leaps and bounds every year, how long can you hold out being a clandestine Apple zealot?


RE: Wow...
By TakinYourPoints on 4/7/2013 10:36:01 PM , Rating: 2
This made me laugh when I saw it: http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-s...

Why you stuck in 2010?

Either way, whatever "staleness" iOS has is far outweighed by its unparalleled third party support. I'm sure an update is coming, but even if the changes are minimal I can deal since switching to another platform would mean either downgrading or losing entire applications.

Much like switching from "boring old Windows" which has remained fundamentally unchanged for about 15 years for something flashy like moddded Linux, I'd be downgrading way too much.

The Linux parallel is spot on as well. You prefer superfluous UI flash over practical utility, applications, and polish.

Seriously, its ok to say you like big screens and SD card slots and all the other things that a big chassis gets you, that's totally cool! Don't pretend the software is anywhere close though. The quantity of applications on Android is highly inflated by shovelware and malware. The situation is worse on tablets, almost nothing out there that is optimized aside from ultra-mainstream stuff like Angry Birds and Netflix.

About half of Microsoft's applications for iOS aren't on Android, the best FTP/SSH/RSS/misc browsing apps are iOS exclusive, there's all kinds of niche stuff (financial, medical) on iOS that isn't on Android, and even Google has better versions of GMail and Maps on iOS.

This is before we even get into games from companies like Blizzard, 2K, EA, Epic, id, and all the typical stuff that are in these comparisons, which you'll automatically write off because they're "just games".

Hell, you'll probably write off medical and financial apps as well, "who cares" you'll say? Its all about depth, that's the point.

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Again, there isn't a single thing you can do on IOS that you cant with Android. There are a ton of things you can do with Windows that you cannot do with Linux


Not true at all, you can find applications to fill in almost anything you can do on Windows. The level of polish and depth in applications is the difference.

It is exactly the same as the difference between iOS and Android.

Android's selection is shallow by comparison, and based on the emphasis some of its users place on inflated bulletpoint features while ignoring fundamental things like the quality of screens, battery life/performance balance, and third party support, its users are shallow too.

You are easily distracted by flash and glitz.


RE: Wow...
By TakinYourPoints on 4/6/2013 5:49:47 AM , Rating: 2
This quote is so telling:

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Good luck with that point that you are stuck on. Your mind is closed like a clenched fist. Let me know when you are ready to pry it open and get off the best platform of 2007-2011. Its 2013 now and the world has passed you by and you cant even see it.


You hate choice!

I tell people if they want big screens, get an Android phone. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the DNA or the One, or the Lumia 920 for that matter. Even the Nexus 4 if they want a low cost device that's going to be supported by Google and they don't mind missing LTE.

You want to stonewall people into Android at any cost because you're an ideologue. I know Reclaimer is, I've even seen him rail on someone because they dared use Chrome rather than his preferred Firefox (crazy person), but you try and come across as reasonable while also saying that Android is the only real choice based on your list.

Android lacks things that matter to me like apps, support, and polish, and it will continue to be secondary in those ways based on Android's fragmentation (never going away until Google takes it back from manufacturers and carriers), an inferior SDK, and fewer users in the high end category.

It doesn't mean Android is bad, it just isn't for me! For some people the features on your huge list trump applications, hardware, and polish, and its totally understandable. Not everyone has the same priorities. Choices!

If you claim to be about choice then be about choice. I'm not hating on Android, I just bring reality into discussions.


RE: Wow...
By retrospooty on 4/6/2013 10:02:38 AM , Rating: 1
"You hate choice!"

No, I love choice, that is why I dont like the iPhone. One model, one shitload of missing features is not much choice.

"I tell people if they want big screens, get an Android phone. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the DNA or the One"
Somehow I doubt you actually say that to anyone.

"You want to stonewall people into Android at any cost because you're an ideologue"

Like I said, Android is the best mobile OS and platform today. It has the most options and supports the most features period. If something comes along and takes that crown, I will drop Android in a hot second and never look back. You cannot say the same, because its already happened to your platform and not only can you not "not look back", you are stuck back there and cant look forward. Trying your hardest to justify your platform's lacks to anonymous losers on the internet like me. Why? Why the endless defense? And I do not railroad anyone on to Android. I do suggest it to people I feel are smart and/or semi technically inclined. I push IOS to people that know nothing about tech, because it is a better newbie platform. It doesnt do alot, so not alot to learn.

"It doesn't mean Android is bad, it just isn't for me"

Really? because you said this... "The Droid DNA has an amazing screen. Shame about the crummy OS but at least the hardware is really good."

That kind of outs your bias. You can say Android is alot of things, but considering all it does and all it supports while IOS still has its same "one way, one size, one chip, one screen, one option fits all" you cannot call it crummy. Its is FAR more complete an OS and dynamic than the walled garden IOS approach.

Can you imagine a real OS that only supports a couple of different resolutions and only when doubling the initial release. That would be like MS Windows only supporting 640x480 and 1280x960. Nope, sorry, that is the only options. LOL IOS cant even deal with a different res and you think its a superior OS?. LOL. You should really stop visiting tech sites, because either you aren't up to the "tech" or at least change to a platform that has more merits if you are going to blindly defend it with such vigor.


RE: Wow...
By TakinYourPoints on 4/7/2013 10:14:06 PM , Rating: 2
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That kind of outs your bias. You can say Android is alot of things, but considering all it does and all it supports while IOS still has its same "one way, one size, one chip, one screen, one option fits all" you cannot call it crummy. Its is FAR more complete an OS and dynamic than the walled garden IOS approach.


What's crummy is its continued laggy performance, the amount of malware, massive fragmentation, lack of polish, developers treating it as a second class platform, and Google still not having as much control as they should over carriers and manufacturers.

It is damaging to the platform and harmful to customers, which is why it is inferior to iOS and Windows Phone in so many ways.

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Can you imagine a real OS that only supports a couple of different resolutions and only when doubling the initial release. That would be like MS Windows only supporting 640x480 and 1280x960. Nope, sorry, that is the only options. LOL IOS cant even deal with a different res and you think its a superior OS?


And again you reveal your complete lack of technical knowledge. There is a massive difference between a windowed desktop operating system on uses large displays and one that runs everything fullscreen on small displays.

The technical considerations between optimizing UIs between the two are completely different, but obviously you know more about this than Microsoft, Blizzard, EA, and the numerous developers that make applications ranging from social to pro apps for things going from the financial to the medical fields while leaving Android behind.

Supporting multiple resolutions had made Android apps worse, not better, and this is why Apple continues to maintain a standardized platform.

Fullscreen and limited versus windowed and large. Get it through your head.

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You should really stop visiting tech sites, because either you aren't up to the "tech" or at least change to a platform that has more merits if you are going to blindly defend it with such vigor.


Pot, meet kettle.

Seriously, half your silly list are either features iOS had way back in 2009 through applications, are the byproduct of big chassis which most people do not like (your beloved GS3 is a niche product, sorry), or are legacy features like mini-HDMI.

Who needs HDMI on a phone when you've got Miracast or AirPlay? Its like the people who defended dead tech like optical drives in laptops, such a waste of space!

So many things you put on your list are either personal preference or are superficial flash without real practical utility for most.

Applications, a polished efficient UI, and solid hardware, those are important to me.

Why are you so shallow?


RE: Wow...
By TakinYourPoints on 4/5/2013 6:07:44 PM , Rating: 2
Comscore's numbers are more accurate, 53% last year against 51% last year.

Do you actually believe the figures in your link where Android only had 45% last year? That is total nonsense, even then it had over half the US market.


RE: Wow...
By Cheesew1z69 on 4/5/2013 6:43:33 AM , Rating: 2
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Android having more users is fine either way, I don't care.
Uh huh, that's why you are on every post defending Apple and knocking everything else...


RE: Wow...
By xti on 4/5/2013 2:41:45 PM , Rating: 2
cheese is both right and a jerk. talent.


RE: Wow...
By TakinYourPoints on 4/5/2013 6:04:21 PM , Rating: 2
I care about there being more Android devices just like I care that there are more console gamers than PC gamers.

Not at all.

I just care about the quality of the platform and the applications I can run on it. Android is a sideshow when it comes to those things.

As far as knocking everything else, nah, its just Samsung with their terrible screens and cheap build quality. I've said many times that HTC's newest devices are all really nice. The Droid DNA has an amazing screen. Shame about the crummy OS but at least the hardware is really good.


RE: Wow...
By Reclaimer77 on 4/5/2013 7:03:51 PM , Rating: 1
Oh come on, of course you care! Don't hand us that crap. You constantly post about it.

That's like me saying with a straight face on here "I don't care what Obama does..." How credible does that even sound?

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I just care about the quality of the platform and the applications I can run on it. Android is a sideshow when it comes to those things.


If that's all you cared about, you would simply avoid Android and go on with your happy hipster life. When you make hundreds of posts about it in passionate Internet arguments, however, it speaks to something deeper.

p.s. More people prefer Androids app environment. Sorry if the truth hurts and you need to combat this with silly "high end vs low end" arguments.

I think what you're basically trying to say here in your not-so subtle elitist way, is that poor people prefer Android over the iPhone for financial reasons. That they would really LIKE an iPhone, but they simply have no choice so they have to settle for "crummy" Android phones. Which is absurd because the two-year contract model makes phone prices ultimately irrelevant.

Did I mention you were a dick? Well yeah, I'll just throw that out there. Every time you post it's clear you don't think your shit stinks like the rest of us.


RE: Wow...
By retrospooty on 4/5/2013 8:03:14 PM , Rating: 2
"Oh come on, of course you care! Don't hand us that crap. You constantly post about it. That's like me saying with a straight face on here "I don't care what Obama does..." How credible does that even sound?"

LOL... Exactly. Could he be any more transparent? "I dont care, I just jump into every single conversation about Android and post how IOS is better regardless of the GIANT list of missing features and things it simply cant do. Its better because i say so and I don't care. "

putz


RE: Wow...
By TakinYourPoints on 4/6/2013 5:05:54 AM , Rating: 2
And you with over double the number of posts I do jump into every single Apple thread posting your ludicrously padded wall-of-text. Reclaimer has 10x the posts I do, bile everywhere. You guys make it very hard not to throw the word "hypocrite" around. Pot meet kettle.

And again, your giant list of features misses out on things I value like better applications, fast hardware without compromising battery life, a consistent and smooth UI, great screens, and well supported OS updates. My old Palm PDA and Sony Erricson cell phone had SD card slots and removable batteries, and I wouldn't trade those things for what I have now. Android continues to lack high end features I want, if it didn't then I'd be there instead.

Sorry not everyone shares your view of what really matters.

As an Android supporter I thought choice mattered to you, but again your hypocrisy shows. I totally support people buying Android hardware for bigger screens and such, Windows Phone too, but you seem to have a serious issue with anybody who picks anything else based on your silly list.


RE: Wow...
By TakinYourPoints on 4/6/2013 4:55:35 AM , Rating: 1
Why should I care if a platform sells lots of low end units? That's like saying I should abandon PC gaming because the Nintendo Wii was the most popular console last generation.

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p.s. More people prefer Androids app environment. Sorry if the truth hurts and you need to combat this with silly "high end vs low end" arguments.


Based on what, because you say so? App downloads are much higher on iOS and developers continue to target it first. How can more people prefer Android app ecosystem when objectively fewer people use it, or when the selection is objectively inferior either due to substandard ports or selection not even being there? The iOS App Store has more downloads than all Android app stores combined, and developers make more money on it meaning that they continue to give it more attention.

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I think what you're basically trying to say here in your not-so subtle elitist way, is that poor people prefer Android over the iPhone for financial reasons. That they would really LIKE an iPhone, but they simply have no choice so they have to settle for "crummy" Android phones.


Not at all, there is obviously a market for high end Android phones. It is simply that high end Android phones sell far less than their iOS counterparts and that Android mostly sells in the low end.

This isn't based on opinion, its just reality. You are projecting your personal insecurities/biases on it and drawing your own conclusions, which is weird.


RE: Wow...
By retrospooty on 4/6/2013 4:29:35 PM , Rating: 2
Dude I have been coming to Anandtech for 14 years, since before there even was comments on this section and long before DT even branched out. Post count has nothing to do with anything. You are as clueless about that as you are about smartphones. You obviously have some hidden apple thing going on and you act as if isn't real but we all see it. You clearly can't stand anyone that disagrees, or dislikes apple or its products. You just can't handle it that people disagree... You know what? You're worse than Tony. At least Tony is clear and honest about his bias. Whatever... flake off


RE: Wow...
By TakinYourPoints on 4/7/2013 10:19:39 PM , Rating: 2
Nonsense. Again, I'm more than happy recommending products from other companies, including those running Android.

Forget what I said Friday about the Lumia 920 though, I got my hands on an HTC 8X yesterday, that's a much nicer phone. Lighter, better IPS screen, more responsive, I really like it!

While I'm cool with this, your idea that anyone who doesn't agree with your list for legitimate practical reasons (ie - people who prefer iOS for better apps, better hardware, better vendor support are all fanboys) is ridiculous.

You're brainwashed and too myopic to even realize it.


RE: Wow...
By retrospooty on 4/8/2013 2:01:09 PM , Rating: 2
" I'm more than happy recommending products from other companies, including those running Android."

Even with the "crummy OS"? Your words.... That and you obviously cant stand anyone that sings its merits on this site. Good god man, I state why I think Android is a better platform and you go off hte deep end! Pfapf.

"While I'm cool with this, your idea that anyone who doesn't agree with your list for legitimate practical reasons (ie - people who prefer iOS for better apps, better hardware, better vendor support are all fanboys) is ridiculous."

My idea? that isnt my idea and I never said that, nor did I say that its the best phone for everyone. What I do say and am now saying is that it is a superior platform. It does more and has more flexibility. IOS cant even handle different resolutions, much less any number of missing features. Android has everything the iPhone has and alot more. The iPhone has ... alot missing. That is all. If the missing things are OK by you then its a good phone... To me, its not worth it, too many missing features for a high end phone period. Why cant you just accept that and leave it be? You can take that long list and say, you dont care, you dont need any of it, but you CANT say it isnt correct and you CANT say that other people do want/need it. Why does that statement offend your sensibilities so much?


RE: Wow...
By TakinYourPoints on 4/9/2013 12:22:20 AM , Rating: 2
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Even with the "crummy OS"? Your words....


Absolutely! If you want big screens, things like SD card slots, lower prices, and don't demand much from your hardware, then Android is a totally legit way to go. It's at the expense of things like the best software, polish, updates, stability, but anyone going into Android and is honest about everything and understands the tradeoffs.

All platforms have tradeoffs. A friend of mine decided he didn't really need phone apps or much else aside from a basic web browser, email, and the ability to send texts, so he got a Nexus 4. Saved himself some money and its a good device, plus it'll get updates. He also has an iPad because he felt that's where apps matter for him more, so he's all set.

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What I do say and am now saying is that it is a superior platform.


A superior platform is polished, stable, supported, and has the best applications. Android is none of the above. It has other positives but nothing about the software itself puts it above others. Diversity in hardware is its biggest advantage, and even there you have to look hard to see devices where they don't cut corners on display quality.

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IOS cant even handle different resolutions


iOS has limited resolutions by design. Standardizing resolutions gives developers a unified platform to optimize for. They could add resolutions if they wanted to, lord knows how many they have in prototypes, but that would harm third party developers.

The difference in approaches is reflected in iOS having an app library and selection that Android absolutely cannot compare to. Not even in the same zip code, talking Linux/Windows difference here.

I posted above some quotes from a developer who has tens of millions of downloads on iOS, Android, and Windows Phone. In the link are comments by developers from Google trying to help him. Check it out if you'd like.

http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=30274...

Much of it has to do with having to support one more resolution and how poor the Android SDK continues to be. Again, this isn't a small time dev, this is another of many big developers that either grudgingly develop for the platform or just don't do it at all.

I accept that you prefer some of Android's features, that's totally awesome. What's bizarre is your complete denial of the difference in third party support. For me it is relevant in the same way it is relevant for any other platform I use: A platform isn't much without applications and content. I don't see much use of a snazzy UI when you can do so little with it, or it does things more poorly than the other one. If I was someone that didn't use applications then I'd use something else, simple.

Owning the advantages of Android is cool, but claiming it is just as good or better in areas where it objectively isn't is weird.


RE: Wow...
By TakinYourPoints on 4/7/2013 11:26:34 PM , Rating: 2
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I think what you're basically trying to say here in your not-so subtle elitist way, is that poor people prefer Android over the iPhone for financial reasons. That they would really LIKE an iPhone, but they simply have no choice so they have to settle for "crummy" Android phones. Which is absurd because the two-year contract model makes phone prices ultimately irrelevant.


Nope, I'm simply repeating sales figures and usage metrics. I'm not jumping to any conclusions or making any judgements based on this.

There is so much subjective opinion and emotion with you guys. You and retro should take emotion out of your arguments and argue just based on facts. It makes it hard to have a real discussion.


RE: Wow...
By Cheesew1z69 on 4/8/2013 12:13:50 PM , Rating: 1
All you do is fucking drone on...my god, do you ever shut up?


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