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Some analysts have even mentioned that this suggests the overall failure of the OS

If Windows 8 Pro and Windows RT are siblings, it would be fair to say that Windows 8 Pro would be considered the "good" son with decent grades and a football scholarship while Windows RT is the trouble-maker that parents tell their daughters to stay away from. 

Windows RT-based tablets have seen significant price drops recently, and analysts believe its because user demand for the operating system has been low. Some analysts have even mentioned that this suggests the overall failure of the OS, and that it will likely fade away entirely over time -- allowing Windows 8 Pro to shine on its own. 

"I think you're seeing discounting based on user demand. I never thought RT was going to be that successful," said Jack Gold, principal analyst at J. Gold Associates. "RT will fade away over time. It's not a full Windows 8 experience. That said, why wouldn't I spend more and get a full Pro version of the device?" 

Some examples of major price drops include the Dell XPS 10 tablet with Windows RT, which launched at $500 for the 32GB and is now $450. The 64GB model launched at $599 and is now $499. 


Dell isn't the only one seeing price cuts. ASUS' VivoTab RT launched at $599 and is now available on Amazon for only $382 for 32GB. Newegg has even listed this device as "discontinued."

Lenovo is offering a seven-day deal where its IdeaPad Yoga 11 will be available for just $599 -- down from the original $799 price. Amazon sells the model for just $499.

At this point, many device makers are likely looking to clear their inventory of the Windows RT tablets by lowering prices and focusing on other operating systems. 

Microsoft has kept its Surface with Windows RT tablet price the same (starts at $499) but adoption of the device has been pretty disappointing so far. A Bloomberg source anonymously revealed that Microsoft has sold 1.5 million Surface tablets to date. More specifically, the company has sold a little over a million Surface with Windows RT tablets and about 400,000 Surface with Windows Pro tablets.

However, recent news suggests that Microsoft is directing its Surface tablets toward the enterprise now after seeing lukewarm consumer sales. It's starting to market the Surface with Windows RT as a tablet, but Surface with Windows 8 Pro as a PC. Likely, businesses will adopt the PC workhorse over the tablet that doesn't even provide a full experience of the OS. 

Despite criticism of Windows RT, Microsoft has been defending its baby and denying rumors that it will die off. 

Source: TechWorld

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RE: High prices have been the problem
By Flunk on 4/3/2013 11:25:00 AM , Rating: 5
I'm not sure that's true, there isn't really anything wrong with the OS. The big problem is that there are no 3rd party apps and since it won't run Windows programs (which a lot of people fail to notice when they buy one) you can't substitute to make up for the needed apps.

Microsoft should have left ARM Windows for the next version, after there is a decent number of Windows "Modern" apps available. Right now Atom tablets are really the only low-end Windows tablets that make sense. To compete with Android WinRT needs Android-like prices (with more storage too, because WinRT is far too large) and more apps.

RE: High prices have been the problem
By kmmatney on 4/3/2013 11:43:38 AM , Rating: 2
"I'm not sure that's true, there isn't really anything wrong with the OS."

Well - you say this, but then you mention a lot of things wrong with the OS! It can't run Windows Apps - that is huge, especially with the Surface Pro available. It is also too bloated, requiring the purchase of more expensive units with more storage - that is a direct problem with the OS.

I think WinRT is a dead end. We are almost to the point where a phone can run regular windows 8, and you could dock it to a monitor and keyboard for real work. I think that's Microsoft's best hope.

RE: High prices have been the problem
By dgingerich on 4/3/2013 11:56:45 AM , Rating: 3
ok, so it can't run x86 Windows apps. Neither can the iPad or the Android tablets. Duh. It's a tablet, not a PC. People saying this just don't seem to understand the target market: iPad and Android tablet users.

in that market, it rocks. It's far more functional than other tablets, in the middle of the pricing scheme, (cheaper than iPad, more expensive than Android) and has an interface people are generally used to. Sure, it's not quite the same as WinXP or Win7, but it is pretty close, and is easier to learn because of the similarities. Plus, many current Win8 programs do indeed work because they're based off .Net 4, which can be quite platform agnostic, since it's a scripted, non-compiled method of building apps.

Frankly, I like my XPS 10. It's been quite useful, more useful than I expected when I bought it. I don't love it, but it is quite good.

Know what you're talking about before berating things. It makes you look like less of a fool.

RE: High prices have been the problem
By deathwombat on 4/3/2013 12:30:11 PM , Rating: 2
People saying this just don't seem to understand the target market: iPad and Android tablet users. in that market, it rocks.

I just started manufacturing the world's best video game console. It has CPU and GPU power that blow the PS4 and the Xbox 720 out of the water. There are currently no games for it, though. But someday there probably will be. Who wants one? Nobody, of course.

If I want an iPad or an Android tablet, I'm going to buy an iPad or an Android tablet. Both systems are well supported by developers and have all the software you could ever want. Now, I would love to buy a Windows tablet... if it ran Windows software. Windows RT doesn't, but don't worry, someday there will probably be software for it. Maybe.

Windows RT could be the best tablet operating system ever. But what can I do with it right now?

RE: High prices have been the problem
By dgingerich on 4/3/2013 2:04:00 PM , Rating: 3
Windows RT could be the best tablet operating system ever. But what can I do with it right now?

Well, you can do what I do:

- Read Kindle and Nook books
- Watch Netflix and Hulu
- Surf the internet
- Play minor video games, like Sudoku, spider solitaire, minesweeper, etc
- Access servers with either SSH (Linux and Unix, client program costs and extra $1.99 and is written in .Net) or by remote desktop (Windows 2003-2012, client program is free, but must be installed from the app store)
- Pull up documents and email (you wouldn't want to compose documents with the virtual keyboard or the attachable keyboard, but if you need specs, IP addresses, administration data, it's easy to just call up the file)

I posted the request to get some USB to serial adapter drivers into WinRT and a serial interface client so I can use it to administer the raid arrays and switches in my lab, too, but I don't know if they'll actually put the effort into actually doing it. We'll see.

There's a lot to do with it, and that's much more than I've been able to do with an Android tablet. I've seen people remote desktop and pull up documents from an iPad, but I've never really used one. I wonder if it can really do all my XPS 10 can do.

RE: High prices have been the problem
By DT_Reader on 4/3/13, Rating: 0
By damianrobertjones on 4/3/2013 6:29:02 PM , Rating: 2
Linux isn't shiny.

RE: High prices have been the problem
By TSS on 4/4/2013 10:13:31 AM , Rating: 2
Hardly anything you mention is done by the average consumer. Half of it is work, which might very well be why MS is now starting to focus more on the enterprise market, and they're fools for not going for that directly.

The average consumer plays games and watches youtube, that's pretty much it. If i could've run my windows games on a smartphone that would've been a no-brainer. I don't expect to run battlefield 3 but i would expect to run battlefield 1. I got that to run on a <1 ghz pentium 3 back in the day why aren't i playing it on a smartphone now?

Since that isn't possible, i'll go for new releases, and the MS store is definitly not the place to be for those.

And that's why it's failing. It really is that simple. They've got nothing to offer me that android and iphone can't already do cheaper or more stylish (and god that metro UI is awefull. Not the layout, the colour scheme. Disco inferno anybody?). So i'll go with somebody else.

If they're *really* serious about wanting to compete in the mobile market they'll spend some cash, go to intel and ask them to make a X86 mobile chip for them. Go back to the pentium 3, make a second pentium M, die shrink it to 22nm and slap a old intel HD graphics against it. With the increases in efficiency over the years it should draw very little power and still run the old stuff since it's essentially a pentium 3.

Unless MS gives me a reason to tie myself down to them again, i'm happy enough to be rid of them for a while. He said typing on a windows desktop.

By Strunf on 4/4/2013 7:51:05 AM , Rating: 2
"Sure, it's not quite the same as WinXP or Win7, but it is pretty close, and is easier to learn because of the similarities."

They have nothing in common... I was just as lost when I installed windows 8 on my laptop as I was when I first got my Android smartphone, besides win8 is a mess, I was shocked to notice that you find yourself in a mix between the Win7 and Metro, for instance when you start Firefox from Metro you go into a kind of "desktop mode", the same with the settings sometimes you do them on Metro sometimes you have to use the control panel like in windows 7, windows 8 seems like a rushed to me...

By Mitch101 on 4/3/2013 12:09:02 PM , Rating: 2
iPad cant run Apple PC apps but I have to say Apple did the right thing the iPad was a big iPod touch. Microsoft should have done the same with Windows RT tablet making it a big version of the Windows Phone OS with a few exclusives for the Surface RT. So I kind of agree on the OS on some level. Still I 110% agree the price was the real reason I didnt bite. I can get a really nice 10" Android tablet for $300.00. In fact Im using my 32gb HP touchpad with Cyanogen Mod running I think Android 4.1 and I like it enough that Im not looking for another tablet. If Microsoft Windows RT Tablets were released at $300-$350.00 then I would have bought two for the kids. I havent even looked at Surface Pro because of the price instead I have a Dell latitude dual core atom tablet that runs Windows 7 that Im going to install Windows 8 on for business apps. If it does good enough I might even update the internal SSD drive.

For Microsoft to get into the Tablet business they need to let the hardware vendors run with the hardware at a low cost point and give away the OS for a solid 2 years to build the eco system. Let them make the money back on Apps.

In all at some point I would expect to see an open tablet where you can choose which OS you want. Just like you PC works today you should not be tied to an OS.

RE: High prices have been the problem
By RjBass on 4/3/2013 11:48:43 AM , Rating: 1
The problem isn't Windows RT. The problem is that Microsoft did what Google and Apple didn't do, they created a 3rd OS. Android tablets are running Android, same as the phones, and iPads are running iOS, same as the phones. Apple has OSX for it's laptops and desktops, Google is still trying to push the new Chrome thing. But Microsoft went Win8, WinRT and Win Phone 8/7/whatever they are on now.

Microsoft fragmented its self. If you could get a Win tablet that ran the same OS as your Win phone and could utilize the same apps, then it would be much better. But to have a separate OS for your phone, your tablet and your computer is just too much.

By FITCamaro on 4/3/2013 2:42:53 PM , Rating: 1
I actually agree with this statement. They should have used a larger version of the Phone OS instead of creating an entirely different version of Windows just for tablets.

By Belard on 4/3/2013 4:38:19 PM , Rating: 2

Making a 3rd OS was stupid. Still it's overpriced compared to the much more powerful ipad4.

By nikon133 on 4/3/2013 9:01:54 PM , Rating: 2
I think MS should remove desktop from it, reduce the size of it, make Modern version of Office that is file-compatible with desktop Office but toned down in interface, something between desktop Office 2013 and Windows Phone Office.

Then, change the name into something that does not deceive people they will get full desktop compatibility; RT OS, or WinLite OS, or whatever.

And price it way down. RT tablets, at least standard ones (with 720p screens etc) should not really be more expensive than mainstream netbooks. I recall netbooks were available for below NZ$400 here in New Zealand. I don't think I've seen RT tablet below NZ$700... yet.

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