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Some analysts have even mentioned that this suggests the overall failure of the OS

If Windows 8 Pro and Windows RT are siblings, it would be fair to say that Windows 8 Pro would be considered the "good" son with decent grades and a football scholarship while Windows RT is the trouble-maker that parents tell their daughters to stay away from. 

Windows RT-based tablets have seen significant price drops recently, and analysts believe its because user demand for the operating system has been low. Some analysts have even mentioned that this suggests the overall failure of the OS, and that it will likely fade away entirely over time -- allowing Windows 8 Pro to shine on its own. 

"I think you're seeing discounting based on user demand. I never thought RT was going to be that successful," said Jack Gold, principal analyst at J. Gold Associates. "RT will fade away over time. It's not a full Windows 8 experience. That said, why wouldn't I spend more and get a full Pro version of the device?" 

Some examples of major price drops include the Dell XPS 10 tablet with Windows RT, which launched at $500 for the 32GB and is now $450. The 64GB model launched at $599 and is now $499. 



ASUS VivoTab RT

Dell isn't the only one seeing price cuts. ASUS' VivoTab RT launched at $599 and is now available on Amazon for only $382 for 32GB. Newegg has even listed this device as "discontinued."

Lenovo is offering a seven-day deal where its IdeaPad Yoga 11 will be available for just $599 -- down from the original $799 price. Amazon sells the model for just $499.

At this point, many device makers are likely looking to clear their inventory of the Windows RT tablets by lowering prices and focusing on other operating systems. 

Microsoft has kept its Surface with Windows RT tablet price the same (starts at $499) but adoption of the device has been pretty disappointing so far. A Bloomberg source anonymously revealed that Microsoft has sold 1.5 million Surface tablets to date. More specifically, the company has sold a little over a million Surface with Windows RT tablets and about 400,000 Surface with Windows Pro tablets.

However, recent news suggests that Microsoft is directing its Surface tablets toward the enterprise now after seeing lukewarm consumer sales. It's starting to market the Surface with Windows RT as a tablet, but Surface with Windows 8 Pro as a PC. Likely, businesses will adopt the PC workhorse over the tablet that doesn't even provide a full experience of the OS. 

Despite criticism of Windows RT, Microsoft has been defending its baby and denying rumors that it will die off. 

Source: TechWorld



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High prices have been the problem
By Varun on 4/3/2013 10:46:30 AM , Rating: 2
It's kind of funny when Dell is "discounting" it's XPS tablet to the same price as it's Clovertrail tablet. The RT tablets have always been priced at least $100 too high especially the Surface RT. For $499 if it came with the touch cover, it would be worth buying, but not at $600+.




RE: High prices have been the problem
By Nortel on 4/3/13, Rating: 0
RE: High prices have been the problem
By Flunk on 4/3/2013 11:25:00 AM , Rating: 5
I'm not sure that's true, there isn't really anything wrong with the OS. The big problem is that there are no 3rd party apps and since it won't run Windows programs (which a lot of people fail to notice when they buy one) you can't substitute to make up for the needed apps.

Microsoft should have left ARM Windows for the next version, after there is a decent number of Windows "Modern" apps available. Right now Atom tablets are really the only low-end Windows tablets that make sense. To compete with Android WinRT needs Android-like prices (with more storage too, because WinRT is far too large) and more apps.


RE: High prices have been the problem
By kmmatney on 4/3/2013 11:43:38 AM , Rating: 2
"I'm not sure that's true, there isn't really anything wrong with the OS."

Well - you say this, but then you mention a lot of things wrong with the OS! It can't run Windows Apps - that is huge, especially with the Surface Pro available. It is also too bloated, requiring the purchase of more expensive units with more storage - that is a direct problem with the OS.

I think WinRT is a dead end. We are almost to the point where a phone can run regular windows 8, and you could dock it to a monitor and keyboard for real work. I think that's Microsoft's best hope.


RE: High prices have been the problem
By dgingerich on 4/3/2013 11:56:45 AM , Rating: 3
ok, so it can't run x86 Windows apps. Neither can the iPad or the Android tablets. Duh. It's a tablet, not a PC. People saying this just don't seem to understand the target market: iPad and Android tablet users.

in that market, it rocks. It's far more functional than other tablets, in the middle of the pricing scheme, (cheaper than iPad, more expensive than Android) and has an interface people are generally used to. Sure, it's not quite the same as WinXP or Win7, but it is pretty close, and is easier to learn because of the similarities. Plus, many current Win8 programs do indeed work because they're based off .Net 4, which can be quite platform agnostic, since it's a scripted, non-compiled method of building apps.

Frankly, I like my XPS 10. It's been quite useful, more useful than I expected when I bought it. I don't love it, but it is quite good.

Know what you're talking about before berating things. It makes you look like less of a fool.


RE: High prices have been the problem
By deathwombat on 4/3/2013 12:30:11 PM , Rating: 2
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People saying this just don't seem to understand the target market: iPad and Android tablet users. in that market, it rocks.


I just started manufacturing the world's best video game console. It has CPU and GPU power that blow the PS4 and the Xbox 720 out of the water. There are currently no games for it, though. But someday there probably will be. Who wants one? Nobody, of course.

If I want an iPad or an Android tablet, I'm going to buy an iPad or an Android tablet. Both systems are well supported by developers and have all the software you could ever want. Now, I would love to buy a Windows tablet... if it ran Windows software. Windows RT doesn't, but don't worry, someday there will probably be software for it. Maybe.

Windows RT could be the best tablet operating system ever. But what can I do with it right now?


RE: High prices have been the problem
By dgingerich on 4/3/2013 2:04:00 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Windows RT could be the best tablet operating system ever. But what can I do with it right now?


Well, you can do what I do:

- Read Kindle and Nook books
- Watch Netflix and Hulu
- Surf the internet
- Play minor video games, like Sudoku, spider solitaire, minesweeper, etc
- Access servers with either SSH (Linux and Unix, client program costs and extra $1.99 and is written in .Net) or by remote desktop (Windows 2003-2012, client program is free, but must be installed from the app store)
- Pull up documents and email (you wouldn't want to compose documents with the virtual keyboard or the attachable keyboard, but if you need specs, IP addresses, administration data, it's easy to just call up the file)

I posted the request to get some USB to serial adapter drivers into WinRT and a serial interface client so I can use it to administer the raid arrays and switches in my lab, too, but I don't know if they'll actually put the effort into actually doing it. We'll see.

There's a lot to do with it, and that's much more than I've been able to do with an Android tablet. I've seen people remote desktop and pull up documents from an iPad, but I've never really used one. I wonder if it can really do all my XPS 10 can do.


RE: High prices have been the problem
By DT_Reader on 4/3/13, Rating: 0
By damianrobertjones on 4/3/2013 6:29:02 PM , Rating: 2
Linux isn't shiny.


RE: High prices have been the problem
By TSS on 4/4/2013 10:13:31 AM , Rating: 2
Hardly anything you mention is done by the average consumer. Half of it is work, which might very well be why MS is now starting to focus more on the enterprise market, and they're fools for not going for that directly.

The average consumer plays games and watches youtube, that's pretty much it. If i could've run my windows games on a smartphone that would've been a no-brainer. I don't expect to run battlefield 3 but i would expect to run battlefield 1. I got that to run on a <1 ghz pentium 3 back in the day why aren't i playing it on a smartphone now?

Since that isn't possible, i'll go for new releases, and the MS store is definitly not the place to be for those.

And that's why it's failing. It really is that simple. They've got nothing to offer me that android and iphone can't already do cheaper or more stylish (and god that metro UI is awefull. Not the layout, the colour scheme. Disco inferno anybody?). So i'll go with somebody else.

If they're *really* serious about wanting to compete in the mobile market they'll spend some cash, go to intel and ask them to make a X86 mobile chip for them. Go back to the pentium 3, make a second pentium M, die shrink it to 22nm and slap a old intel HD graphics against it. With the increases in efficiency over the years it should draw very little power and still run the old stuff since it's essentially a pentium 3.

Unless MS gives me a reason to tie myself down to them again, i'm happy enough to be rid of them for a while. He said typing on a windows desktop.


By Strunf on 4/4/2013 7:51:05 AM , Rating: 2
"Sure, it's not quite the same as WinXP or Win7, but it is pretty close, and is easier to learn because of the similarities."

They have nothing in common... I was just as lost when I installed windows 8 on my laptop as I was when I first got my Android smartphone, besides win8 is a mess, I was shocked to notice that you find yourself in a mix between the Win7 and Metro, for instance when you start Firefox from Metro you go into a kind of "desktop mode", the same with the settings sometimes you do them on Metro sometimes you have to use the control panel like in windows 7, windows 8 seems like a rushed to me...


By Mitch101 on 4/3/2013 12:09:02 PM , Rating: 2
iPad cant run Apple PC apps but I have to say Apple did the right thing the iPad was a big iPod touch. Microsoft should have done the same with Windows RT tablet making it a big version of the Windows Phone OS with a few exclusives for the Surface RT. So I kind of agree on the OS on some level. Still I 110% agree the price was the real reason I didnt bite. I can get a really nice 10" Android tablet for $300.00. In fact Im using my 32gb HP touchpad with Cyanogen Mod running I think Android 4.1 and I like it enough that Im not looking for another tablet. If Microsoft Windows RT Tablets were released at $300-$350.00 then I would have bought two for the kids. I havent even looked at Surface Pro because of the price instead I have a Dell latitude dual core atom tablet that runs Windows 7 that Im going to install Windows 8 on for business apps. If it does good enough I might even update the internal SSD drive.

For Microsoft to get into the Tablet business they need to let the hardware vendors run with the hardware at a low cost point and give away the OS for a solid 2 years to build the eco system. Let them make the money back on Apps.

In all at some point I would expect to see an open tablet where you can choose which OS you want. Just like you PC works today you should not be tied to an OS.


RE: High prices have been the problem
By RjBass on 4/3/2013 11:48:43 AM , Rating: 1
The problem isn't Windows RT. The problem is that Microsoft did what Google and Apple didn't do, they created a 3rd OS. Android tablets are running Android, same as the phones, and iPads are running iOS, same as the phones. Apple has OSX for it's laptops and desktops, Google is still trying to push the new Chrome thing. But Microsoft went Win8, WinRT and Win Phone 8/7/whatever they are on now.

Microsoft fragmented its self. If you could get a Win tablet that ran the same OS as your Win phone and could utilize the same apps, then it would be much better. But to have a separate OS for your phone, your tablet and your computer is just too much.


By FITCamaro on 4/3/2013 2:42:53 PM , Rating: 1
I actually agree with this statement. They should have used a larger version of the Phone OS instead of creating an entirely different version of Windows just for tablets.


By Belard on 4/3/2013 4:38:19 PM , Rating: 2
Yep...

Making a 3rd OS was stupid. Still it's overpriced compared to the much more powerful ipad4.


By nikon133 on 4/3/2013 9:01:54 PM , Rating: 2
I think MS should remove desktop from it, reduce the size of it, make Modern version of Office that is file-compatible with desktop Office but toned down in interface, something between desktop Office 2013 and Windows Phone Office.

Then, change the name into something that does not deceive people they will get full desktop compatibility; RT OS, or WinLite OS, or whatever.

And price it way down. RT tablets, at least standard ones (with 720p screens etc) should not really be more expensive than mainstream netbooks. I recall netbooks were available for below NZ$400 here in New Zealand. I don't think I've seen RT tablet below NZ$700... yet.


By StevoLincolnite on 4/3/2013 11:43:31 AM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't say it's a disaster... It's not actually a bad product, it's just priced wrong.
Would be a great web browsing machine for a grandmother or something.


By damianrobertjones on 4/3/2013 6:27:43 PM , Rating: 2
Have you even used one? I have and also now own the Pro version of the RT (Which I sold).


RE: High prices have been the problem
By dgingerich on 4/3/2013 11:16:26 AM , Rating: 2
Most of the price difference between RT and Android tablets is the $82 cost of the OS. MS could reduce that to zero and make money from the app store, like Google's plan, but they refuse to. That may sink them.

I find it funny, though, that so many people are calling WinRT devices overpriced when the iPad is even higher. I bought my 32GB XPS 10 just after they reduced it to $399. (I thought the $499 price tag was too much, too.) However, the iPad 2 32GB, not even the one with the better display, is still going at over $550. Amazon has it listed at $580. NewEgg has a refurbished one, not even a new one, for $480. It seems so prejudiced. WinRT is far more functional than the iPad. Sure, they have more apps, but the WinRT base OS is far more sophisticated.


RE: High prices have been the problem
By sprockkets on 4/3/2013 11:23:42 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Sure, they have more apps, but the WinRT base OS is far more sophisticated.


You and I appreciate that. There is a desktop mode, there is support for USB galore like printers.

Problem is people went to the ipad to avoid the complexity of Windows.

I wanted to try the Asus RT device, but it was totally frozen with an error box that mentioned something about USB, but nothing was plugged into it. Couldn't power it off either.

In any case, it is somewhat too early to tell. I mean, did Android 3.0 and 4.0 really take off with tablets, until the Nexus 7?


By damianrobertjones on 4/3/2013 6:30:20 PM , Rating: 2
"Problem is people went to the ipad to avoid the complexity of Windows."

?

People want the iPad as the neighbours have one as well as the kid down the street


RE: High prices have been the problem
By ResStellarum on 4/3/2013 12:02:57 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
WinRT is far more functional than the iPad. Sure, they have more apps, but the WinRT base OS is far more sophisticated.


Then it isn't more functional. Apps provide the real functionality for tablets, without them it's just a paperweight.

Currently RT has virtually no apps worth mentioning. And if that wasn't bad enough, it's not compatible with the phone version, thus developers would have to develop and maintain two different code trees for Microsoft's mobile platform. That's why RT, Phone 8, and Windows 8's metro front end will fail, pure and simple. And that's without even addressing the other failings like only being able to run one browser - IE, the limited core features compared with Android, or the numerous other complaints.

I'd be surprised if Microsoft doesn't just scrap metro altogether and go back to the desktop and the start button. If they don't, not only will they waste an absurd amount of resources on a destined to fail touch friendly mobile platform, but they'll completely isolate their bread and butter consumer and enterprise PC customers, not to mention their OEM partners.

As far as the iPad is concerned, are you really comparing Microsoft and Apple on a 1:1 basis? Apple has brand magic, not to mention a huge app store and developer community, while Microsoft is almost universally loathed and is on a rapid downward trajectory to irrelevance. So no, Microsoft can't afford to price their tablets the same as the iPad, not even if RT and Metro had the same quantity and quality app store, core functionality, and thriving developer community, which they don't.

Microsoft's trying to compete with Apple when it can't. Android is Microsoft's only competitor, and Windows 8 is a shambles compared to that.


By dgingerich on 4/3/2013 2:21:30 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Currently RT has virtually no apps worth mentioning.


eh, wrong. There are apps. Granted, not a ton, but how many different versions of Sudoku and angry birds do you need?

I have these apps installed on mine:

Kindle
Nook
Netflix
Hulu
Audible
SSH terminal emulator
Remote Desktop
FoxNews
Mahjong
Soucraft
Dragon's blade
Backgammon
Minesweeper
GPS Satellite
Skype
Dropbox

That's not counting the ones included with it: Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Mail, Weather, Skydrive, and IE. I'm not a real big fan of IE, but it does actually work.

The neat part of WinRT is that it will run many of the apps written for Win8, at least those written with .Net 4. .Net is a scripted, non-compiled language, so it is platform independent. While the only platform so far to support it has been x86 Windows, now we have WinRT which also runs those apps. That's how I got the SSH Terminal Client.

The app situation in WinRT isn't as bad as you think.

The biggest reason people aren't developing on MS's .Net platform is the hypocritical view that somehow MS is the "big evil corporation taking our money" while Apple is the liberal love land, despite the fact Apple overcharges for the hardware and software and use the ridiculously stupid loyalty of their customers to rake in the money, all while pillaging their app developers' pockets with terrible royalties, while MS has been operating at much lower net profit and fostering a much more fair market.

Someday, I certainly hope the iDiots will come to their senses and see Apple for what they really are and the market will balance out better.


By Solandri on 4/3/2013 1:23:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Most of the price difference between RT and Android tablets is the $82 cost of the OS.

This. Win RT isn't Microsoft's attempt to break into tablets. It's them hedging their bet on Intel. A few years ago we passed the point where a faster CPU provides any meaningful benefit for 90%+ of customers. Even the slowest desktop/notebook CPUs are "good enough" for most people. What matters most now is decreasing power consumption.

But processors will continue to get faster. That directly benefits ARM - their CPUs are soon going to be "good enough" for more and more people, muscling into Intel's domain. It doesn't directly help Intel though. They have to leverage new performance gains onto the opposite end of the engineering spectrum - holding performance steady while lowering power consumption. Since both sides are affected differently by future progress, it's unclear who's going to come out the winner.

If ARM manages to bite off a substantial chunk of Intel's CPU market share, that by definition reduces Windows' market share. Win RT is Microsoft's trump card in case this happens. It doesn't matter how lousy it does right now. By having a version of Windows for ARM whose binaries are (more or less) a recompile away from Windows for x86-64, Microsoft is set no matter which way the market goes. If Intel continues to dominate, they'll still sell Windows. If AMD ends up beating out Intel, they'll still sell Windows in its RT form.

And that's why they're not going to drop the price of RT by a substantial amount. That would defeat the whole purpose of its existence - guaranteeing continued Windows revenue.


By hughlle on 4/3/2013 12:55:39 PM , Rating: 2
I saw one in John Lewis today for the first time and had a feel. Felt sturdy, keyboard felt like it would be absolute rubbish to type on, and it just felt plain chunky in comparison to my N10. Think it would have to be a very compelling price reduction to get me to jump for one.


By Reclaimer77 on 4/3/2013 4:07:09 PM , Rating: 1
I said it before and I'll say it again, the single biggest core issue here is that Microsoft believed they could produce a better tablet than actual tablet makers. Snubbing the OEM's with their arrogant Apple-esque "you make junk, we'll make a better one" attitude, instead of working WITH them, was bad for business. As well as stupid.

I can count on one hand how many times Microsoft developed hardware that was better than other OEM alternatives. And that track record, sadly, continues.

Surface RT tablets have lots of issues, but at the center of them all was Microsoft's flawed approach imo.


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