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Sounds like Microsoft won't be evoking any fond memory of blue screens of death

News continues to trickle out about the upcoming version of Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) Windows operating system.  Set to land later this year, builds of the new OS, code-named "Blue" have trickled out to select partners -- which in turn has led to leaks.

The latest news to emerge comes courtesy of Roman L. (handle:AngleWZR), a developer who has been analyzing the leaked builds.  He notes on his Twitter that the latest leaked build -- build 9375 -- has a text string in the lower right-hand corner labeling it "Windows 8.1".
Windows Blue 8.1

Paul Thurrott, a top Windows writer/blogger, affirmed this designation stating that "Windows 8.1" will indeed be the launch name for the new OS.  He posts to Twitter:
One other minor piece of Windows 8.1/Blue related news courtesy of Mr. Thurrott's WinSuperSite : apparently Microsoft has tweaked the Search Charm in its latest builds.  Where Windows 8 made you pick between "Apps, Settings, or Files" , the new search does away with that, allowing you to start typing immediately.  Instead of pre-selecting the category, it simply clumps the results by category.

Windows Blue Search
[Image Source: WinSuperSite]

ZDNet Windows blogger Mary Jo Foley says that Windows 8.1 should hit RTM in August.  A beta is rumored to be slotted for Microsoft's June BUILD conference.

Sources: Twitter [AngelWZR], [Thurrott], WinSuperSite, ZDNet



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RE: If only...
By datdamonfoo on 4/3/2013 2:08:55 PM , Rating: -1
Because they're used to it. Not because it had any more functionality.

It's a ridiculous gripe, in my opinion.


RE: If only...
By kensiko on 4/3/13, Rating: 0
RE: If only...
By althaz on 4/3/2013 4:03:36 PM , Rating: 3
Name one (honestly curious)? The search in Win7 is better than in Win8 (although thankfully they've just told us that Win8 search is being fixed), but it has nothing to do with covering up windows (in fact having a larger area to view search results is not bad at all).


RE: If only...
By GotThumbs on 4/3/2013 4:43:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I like to search for things


Why? I can only see this feature being needed if someone is totally disorganized. Of course if your desktop is filled with folders/files, then this applies to you.

I've known someone in this group and she was extremely unorganized. Because of this, she had to work harder/longer whenever she did work, but it wasn't often anyway.

Best wishes,


RE: If only...
By rs2 on 4/3/2013 9:36:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why? I can only see this feature being needed if someone is totally disorganized.


I disagree. Being disorganized is only a problem when you *don't* have efficient search. Otherwise the time that you spend manually organizing things is essentially wasted.

Google said it best with Gmail: Don't sort. Search.

I don't even try to organize the thousands of messages in my Gmail account. I just rely on their fast and accurate search function when I want to find something. And it works. There's no reason for the same concept to not be applied in the desktop PC context.


RE: If only...
By Labotomizer on 4/4/2013 10:32:35 AM , Rating: 2
You are dead on. I use search in Outlook religiously. I have a handful of folders with quick steps associated with them to set a reminder, categorize and move the item into a folder for things that need action on. Those are "working" folders. When finished with something I move it to a completed folder. General communication all stays in the inbox. That's the extent of my organization of email. Files are much the same way. I wouldn't want the web categorized like Yahoo once tried. I search for data. I approach my own data the same way.

Our SharePoint site is optimized for search for the same reason. Network shares run Windows Search services so my workstation connects back to the server's index. It works great.

The idea that search is only for the disorganized is crazy. It's for people who know how to work efficiently. What if an email applies to 3 different categories? Do you save it in 3 folders? If not then you have to try to remember where you saved it. Same for files, local, sharepoint or network.

Merging the 3 categories into one search is really the only thing I think search in Win 8 needed. Start Menu or Start Screen, when I'm searching for data that's what I'm focused on. I don't see the big deal.

And when I'm searching the network I typically do it from explorer anyway.


RE: If only...
By karimtemple on 4/4/2013 11:06:17 AM , Rating: 2
Yes. Exactly.


RE: If only...
By retrospooty on 4/3/2013 9:49:04 PM , Rating: 1
"Why? I can only see this feature being needed if someone is totally disorganized."

Try a network drive at work where 500 non-tech users share and drop files on it in a complex folder structure.


RE: If only...
By crispbp04 on 4/3/2013 6:13:44 PM , Rating: 2
Explain how seeing your windows open while you launch an application is useful, please. Give me the use case for it.


RE: If only...
By Da W on 4/3/2013 3:06:09 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly
The whole start menu functionality is still Inside Windows and yoou need only a small program like start8 or startW8 to bring it back.
I did try it and and uninstalled it after 2 weeks, the start screen does enough for me.

With time there will be more W8 apps (and much less new traditional Windows desktop software) so the start screen will have more meaning and Windows RT will become more useful too.


RE: If only...
RE: If only...
By Belard on 4/3/2013 3:39:16 PM , Rating: 4
Because its STUPID to replace a Start Menu which took up little space with a more useless Start SCREEN... besides who the hell need a full screen to run a damn calculator?


RE: If only...
By althaz on 4/3/2013 4:05:08 PM , Rating: 2
The latter complaint is extremely valid...except that you aren't complaining about Win8 then, but about Metro Apps (a separate discussion).

Win8 is good, even though Metro Apps (which I don't use at all on the desktop) royally suck for real PCs (good for tablets though).


RE: If only...
By kaosstar on 4/5/2013 9:46:21 AM , Rating: 2
It's not a separate discussion because OSes are partially gauged by the included apps. Everything the OS is bundled with is fair game as far as I'm concerned. The vast majority of users will stick with the included apps.

As even many reviewers noted, the Windows 8 apps typically have less functionality than iOS 1.0 apps.


RE: If only...
By Motoman on 4/3/2013 4:09:30 PM , Rating: 1
Retards.

The whole damn thing is a Fisher-Price exercise in making a computer as stupid as it can possibly be.


RE: If only...
By kingmotley on 4/3/13, Rating: -1
RE: If only...
By GotThumbs on 4/3/13, Rating: 0
RE: If only...
By kleinma on 4/3/2013 4:10:24 PM , Rating: 1
I use calc extensively, which is why it is pinned to my taskbar like any app should be that you make common use of.

Now calc is 1 click away. What was it before for you in the start menu? At least 2 clicks if you had it pinned in start or it was in recent items list, otherwise it was several clicks, or a click on start and then you typing in calc.

Why are you so stuck in Windows 95 land. Use Windows 8 how it is supposed to be used and you will get things done faster.


RE: If only...
By Motoman on 4/3/2013 4:23:45 PM , Rating: 5
Nothing is faster in Win8. Everything of value that people point out that they can do in Win8, you can also do in Win7.

What you can't do in Win8, without a 3rd party product to fix the fatal flaw, is get the Start menu and therefore have easy access to all of your applications.

Win8 adds nothing of value, and makes it extremely hard to get anything done. Disputing that fact does nothing but label you as an idiot.

Win8 is only usable with Start8 or some other utility that returns the Start menu. Without that, Win8 is just a Fisher-Price toy designed for (and probably by) toddlers.


RE: If only...
By nikon133 on 4/3/2013 4:46:28 PM , Rating: 2
I cannot say if it is faster and how much, because I installed 8 on my new PC (which is naturally faster than previous one running under W7).

However, it does start so much faster I don't even bother putting it to sleep any more. I like that. I also like grouping of all admin tools under one right-click menu.

Re START screen, I personally like it. While I still use Outlook as my major email/calendar/... application, I also have Modern mail/calendar/... apps configured, so I know if I have new emails or incoming calendar entries without opening Outlook. I also like People Modern app functionality integration with Live, FB and Skype, as I use all of them to chat with friends over the world. Living in NZ, I'm usually too different time zone to voicechat with most of them frequently, but we leave messages daily. Instead of logging to each social site/app, I have them all in one place, and it updates automatically.

I don't have a problem to right-click on START screen and get ALL APPS, I don't see it as much different from ALL PROGRAMS in W7. In fact I'm finding this whole screen menu less claustrophobic than scrolling through W7 complete menu.

I also like grouping on START screen. For me, it is much more functional than pinned/last opened apps in W7 Start.

End of the day, all is down to personal preference. I understand your arguments, it is just that they don't impact me the way they seem to be impacting you, and I do see value in some of the new elements that obviously are not of any importance to you.


RE: If only...
By kleinma on 4/3/13, Rating: -1
RE: If only...
By Motoman on 4/3/2013 6:58:41 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
, how can I pause a long file copy to give preference to one I started after the first one?

Nice, but not worth putting up with the Metro UI for.

quote:
In Windows 7, where are my ribbon controls in explorer?

Exactly where they should be: nowhere. Another perfect example of a backwards step in functionality and usability.

quote:
Where is my advanced task manager in Windows 7

Again, nice, but not worth putting up with the Metro UI for.

The task manager is about the only thing I've seen in Win8 that I care about as an "enhancement." And in any case, there is *nothing* that Windows 8 could do that would justify tolerating the Metrosexual UI. The computer is essentially unusable with that UI on it, which for all the world looks like it was designed for a toy "laptop" that you buy for a 6-year old to play with.

The fact of the matter is that there is *nothing* that is easier in Win8 to do...and the more programs you have and/or the more advanced of a user you are, the worse it gets. If all you do is troll Facebook and play Farmville, I'm sure Win8 is great for you. Then again, if you tried hard enough you could probably get a toaster oven to do that these days.

For everyone over the age of 6, Win8 is just simply a trainwreck - and fanboys like you who protest that fact aren't changing anything. You're just outing yourselves as children.


RE: If only...
By nikon133 on 4/3/2013 8:52:06 PM , Rating: 1
You have some good arguments, but childish statements like that really don't do you any credit.

I'm working for small IT company, 20 people total. We have made Win 8 available for our staff back in September on voluntary basis, and pretty much everyone moved to it. In fact we had to pull the plug and keep two helpdesk support computers on Windows 7, just in case for whatever reason we might no be able to remote to customer's machine.

I am personally 45 years of age, moved my work PC back in September, my laptop in November, my home PC in January. I liked W7, but I would not go back to it. I really like W8. To extend my next phone will be WP8 and my next tablet Windows tablet.

Let me reassure you, we don't do child labour, no one below 6 here. In fact everyone in company is over 20.

We still don't have much W8 among customers, but those few among small businesses we have are fine. Took them a few days to get used to it, everyone at least content now.

Windows 8 has many improvements. Maybe none of them is defining quality on it's own, but put all together, they will offer more than decent reason to upgrade for people that don't have problem with Modern GUI; all the mentioned ones, and many unmentioned - like taskbar on both screens, for example.

I can accept that you personally don't like Modern GUI - and many others - but I'm finding it rather amusing that you seem incapable to accept some people do like it.


RE: If only...
By just4U on 4/24/2013 11:42:32 AM , Rating: 2
I would suggest that you talk to the people who are using it. I think you'd find that many "want to" like it but are also considering a switch back.

This is the best statement I've seen on windows 8 so far..

"the more advanced of a user you are, the worse it gets"

I am a early adopter of all Microsoft operating systems and to be honest I've never had a problem with any (including Windows ME) Until now. I wish I could like win8.. but at the end of the day it simply frustrates the hell out of me. Microsoft wants to integrate it's OS experience across all lines (I get it..) but giving their users a " 3 steps back" experience is not the way to go.


RE: If only...
By Makaveli on 4/4/2013 10:46:04 AM , Rating: 2
I use teracopy in windows 7 which allows me to pause file transfers.


RE: If only...
By ForceCredit on 4/3/2013 4:25:22 PM , Rating: 3
I feel it is important to point out that you could pin programs to the task bar in Windows 7 as well, also one click away. Looking backward, you could do that in Windows 95 using the quick launch toolbar, again one click away.


RE: If only...
By kleinma on 4/3/2013 4:53:57 PM , Rating: 2
Yup, and on my Windows 7 machine at work, that is exactly what I do. I have my taskbar 2 icons high, and my important programs (there area about 15 of them) are all pinned for 1 click access. The amount of time I spend in the start menu in Windows 7 is about the same amount of time i am ever in the start screen in Windows 8.


RE: If only...
By superflex on 4/3/2013 4:30:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Now calc is 1 click away. What was it before for you in the start menu? At least 2 clicks if you had it pinned in start or it was in recent items list, otherwise it was several clicks, or a click on start and then you typing in calc.


Or you could make a shortcut and, voila, it's on your desktop, 1 click away.
Why are you stuck on stupid?


RE: If only...
By kmmatney on 4/4/2013 12:11:31 PM , Rating: 2
I don't like to pin Apps to my taskbar, I run with a lot of programs open, so my taskbar quickly fills up with my working windows, and I don't want to waste that space with shortcuts. I have a few things pinned there, but things like calculator, which I might not use everyday, it easier for me to use the start menu and type in calc.


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