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Diesel power is on the table for other Jeep vehicles

Back in February of 2013, Chrysler announced that it would be putting a V-6 turbodiesel under the hood of its Ram 1500 pickup truck this year. Diesel engines have been part of the heavy-duty line of Ram pickup trucks for many years, but light-duty line is finally getting some love.

Chrysler is now spreading the V6 diesel to some of its other brands, including Jeep. Word has surfaced that a diesel-powered Jeep Grand Cherokee will land in showrooms next month. Chrysler is forecasting that anywhere from 10 to 15% of Grand Cherokee SUVs sold will be diesel-powered.

"We may well have under called it," said Jeep brand Chief Mike Manley. "We know that some of the German import brands have done a good job in terms of making diesel mainstream again."


Manley also admitted that Jeep is considering adding diesel-power to some of its other vehicles, including the incredibly popular Wrangler.

"In Wrangler, the question (of diesel) is more compelling because it helps with some of the capability attributes of that vehicle. Probably not in this generation Wrangler, probably next generation Wrangler," he said. "In the other vehicles, I think it's going to be a matter of just seeing how much demand is there. I think it will be there but there's nothing like the market to confirm that."

However, Manley did say that before any decisions are made on other diesel-powered Jeep vehicles, the company wants to see how well the Grand Cherokee diesel is received by the public.

Source: Detroit News



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RE: Eh
By GotThumbs on 3/28/2013 11:21:45 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed. The inline engines tend to be bullet proof IMO.

The new V6 diesel is from a proven company (Italian firm VM Motori) and NOT manufactured by Dodge.

When I was looking for a light duty diesel powered pickup, I was restricted to the larger HD trucks because of my Diesel requirement. While I now own a Dodge Ram 3500 truck, I don't regret going for the Cummings engine. That WAS the deciding factor between going with Ford or Dodge. The interior is not what I would consider a quality finish (dash is cracked in multiple places), but the engine/transmission was the key decision factor.

I regularly average ~25 mpg each tank. I do have mostly HWY driving. On a recent 2,200 mile trip, I averaged 23 mpg for the whole trip which involved 35% city driving.

Diesel IS a great option and worth the added initial cost of purchase IMO.


RE: Eh
By Argon18 on 3/28/2013 12:40:31 PM , Rating: 2
It's funny, none of the big-3 make their own diesel engines. They all buy from someone else.

Chrysler buys them from Cummins and VM Motori.
Ford buys them from International (Navistar) and Cummins.
GM buys theirs from Isuzu (Dmax).

I don't rightly understand why. I guess they don't sell enough to warrant the R&D costs of making their own? I dunno. I do like that VW/Audi, BMW, and Mercedes all design and build their own diesel engines. Of course in Europe, diesels are the majority of the market share, 60% or so.


RE: Eh
By lagomorpha on 3/28/2013 1:57:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's funny, none of the big-3 make their own diesel engines. They all buy from someone else.


GM tried making their own 5.7 diesel back in the 70s and it was one of the worst engines of all time. It was so bad that its memory is a large part of the reason a lot of Americans to this day will not even consider buying a diesel vehicle.


RE: Eh
By Argon18 on 3/28/2013 4:36:53 PM , Rating: 2
That engine was indeed a turd, primarily because GM cut corners by using a gasoline engine block to build a diesel. You can't do that, as a diesel engine operates at much higher pressures; you need an engine block that is designed from the beginning to be a diesel. GM learned this the hard way.

VW, on the other hand, also decided to offer diesel engines in the 1970's, but they did exactly the opposite - they designed a block for a diesel, and to save costs, they used the same block for their gasoline engines. Had GM gone this route, they never would have had the problems they did.

As for Americans not buying diesels because of the GM 5.7 from the 70's, that argument is getting almost geriatric. Most who was old enough to buy a brand new car in the 70's are senior citizens today. Not many people younger than 60 remember that GM disaster engine. Americans don't buy diesels today, because we don't have much choice in the matter.

VW and Mercedes are the only options for several decades now. Only recently has BMW and Jeep jumped into the American Diesel market. If you could buy a Ford Explorer, F-150, Toyota Camry and Accord, etc. with a diesel, it would catch on very quickly. It's a niche market right now. Not to mention that diesel isn't advertised here. Of the VW and Mercedes TV commercials, how many of them have made mention of their diesels? Few or none. Americans don't buy diesels, because Americans don't know about them. They market and advertise the crap out of anything with a "Hybrid" badge on it, so that's what people buy.


RE: Eh
By jeffkro on 3/28/2013 5:15:43 PM , Rating: 2
GM's 6.2 also had problems but hey 1980's GM


RE: Eh
By RU482 on 3/28/2013 5:24:26 PM , Rating: 2
Can we retire the "people won't buy diesels because of the 70's 5.7L Olds Diesel conundrum"? What percentage of buyers were even alive then, much less not aware that it was an isolated (to GM) deal. let it go man


RE: Eh
By Nfarce on 3/28/2013 7:41:16 PM , Rating: 2
My dad bought a 1979 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme sedan with a diesel. It was the WORST decision of this life. We broke down many times on the highway because of that POS. But he didn't give up on diesel ownership. He later bought a 1983 GMC conversion van with a diesel 6.2 liter. It lasted for 14 years and 300k miles with just two transmission replacements. Nothing else major done, not even electronic wise.

But that 70s GM diesel was crap because it wasn't designed from the ground up as a diesel. It was a gas engine design they converted to a diesel. And as anyone who knows diesels knows, the are very different from the bottom end up. Hope those GM idiots back in the 70s were fired.


RE: Eh
By lagomorpha on 3/29/2013 6:42:11 AM , Rating: 2
It actually is a myth that GM just tried to convert their gasoline smallblock into a diesel. The block in the 5.7 diesel was designed to be a diesel but GM still had absolutely no clue what they were doing.


RE: Eh
By Spuke on 3/28/2013 5:28:23 PM , Rating: 2
Ford's new 6.7L diesel is their own. No more Navistars.


RE: Eh
By JediJeb on 3/29/2013 8:15:02 PM , Rating: 2
Also remember that Ford owns Cummins so I guess that could be considered a Ford product now also.


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