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But some of the countries are relatively small markets

Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) was quick to seize on good news from market analytics firm International Data Corp.'s (IDC) survey of international phone sales.  While the report unsurprisingly showed Android to be the king of virtually every region, the report showed that in some nations Windows Phones are outselling Apple, Inc.'s (AAPL) iPhone.

But before Apple fans explode with indignation, yes there is a catch.  Windows Phone outsold the iPhone in a smattering of emerging markets, where the high price of Apple's trendy phone is probably a barrier to sales success.  In total Windows Phone led the iPhone in Argentina, India, Poland, Russia, South Africa, Ukraine, and "rest of central and eastern Europe".

The success in India is a pretty big deal because that's going to be a huge smartphone market.  But other regions like Ukraine, South Africa, and "rest of... Europe" (smaller countries) are all markets of 100,000 or less smartphone units annually.

Lumia 520
The Lumia 520 [Image Source: Nokia]

The arrival of low-end Windows Phone devices -- namely Nokia Oyj.'s (HEX:NOK1VLumia 520/620 -- has certainly boosted Windows Phone.  Much like Android, Microsoft and its third-party hardware partners appear to be starting their assault on the iPhone at the low-end.  While today's flagship Android phones put the iPhone's hardware to shame, the earliest Androids were largely budget devices.

It remains to be seen, though, whether Windows Phone can duplicate Android's successful creep into the high-end of the market.  Microsoft is betting big on the Windows Phone Blue refresh, which will likely be the next major platform refresh.  That update is expected to land sometime in the October/November window.  The good news for Windows Phone 8 device owners is that Microsoft reportedly will be supporting current generation devices in the upgrade this time around.

Source: Microsoft [TechNet]



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RE: Good progress...
By Reclaimer77 on 3/28/2013 6:06:01 PM , Rating: -1
What a load of crap. There's so much hyperbole and red herrings here, even I don't have the patience to call them out.

Your personal preference doesn't make something absolute fact. Wake up! Even Blackberry has more users and makes more money than Windows phone, and that's after a 4 year nosedive. Why do you think that is? If Windows Phone was THAT good, this wouldn't even be possible.

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Windows Phone is the smoothest and most responsive OS you can put on a phone.


Can you prove this? Anyway the argument is now moot with Android going to Jelly Bean. Sorry, no 'smoothness' advantage (if there even was one).

Oh and if you even think about retorting with "fragmentation", guess what? Jelly Bean alone has more market share than Windows Phone anyway.

Just enjoy your OS without resorting to garbage like "Android is a steaming heap of dung" and we'll be okay. That crap doesn't belong here.


RE: Good progress...
By EricMartello on 3/28/2013 6:39:12 PM , Rating: 2
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Your personal preference doesn't make something absolute fact. Wake up! Even Blackberry has more users and makes more money than Windows phone, and that's after a 4 year nosedive. Why do you think that is? If Windows Phone was THAT good, this wouldn't even be possible.


Bieber earns millions from his music. Does that mean his music is "the best"? Perhaps if you're a tween. Mainstream success is not a metric of how good something is, nor is a lack of mainstream adoption proof that something is bad.

The iphone has enjoyed a firm grip on the smartphone market for a long time, with android filling in a sizable portion as well. Windows Phone is a relative newcomer and it's gaining ground.

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Can you prove this? Anyway the argument is now moot with Android going to Jelly Bean. Sorry, no 'smoothness' advantage (if there even was one).


Oh yeah, compare the phones side by side and there's no comparison. Windows Phone is by far the smoothest and most fluid UI. Are you in denial about the infamous android lag? Denying it doesn't make it go away.

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Oh and if you even think about retorting with "fragmentation", guess what? Jelly Bean alone has more market share than Windows Phone anyway.


Remember when N-SYNC had a lot of market share? Yeah...neither do I. Things change and it's time to get a windows phone and stop thinking you're "leet" because android is derived from linux.

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Just enjoy your OS without resorting to garbage like "Android is a steaming heap of dung" and we'll be okay. That crap doesn't belong here.


Oh but it is and always has been. The primary (only?) reason it took off is because of a massive push from Google AND because it was the only alternative to IOS at that time.

People who wanted an iphone but couldn't afford it chose an android phone, as did people who thought they are "cool" because they chose an inferior system over one that is not simply because it was less popular at the time.

The kind of crap that doesn't belong here is fanboism...overstating the quality of a product simply because it's what you use or like. If Android or IOS was better than Windows Phone I'd have gone with either of them instead.

Windows Phone just is the best smartphone OS available today hands down, unless your metric is how many other people are currently using it or how many layers of crap you can pile on top of the basic UI.


RE: Good progress...
By TakinYourPoints on 3/28/2013 6:53:24 PM , Rating: 3
It certainly has the best mobile UI of any OS out there. Live tiles, intelligent grouping of contact info, it really brings a lot of genius and practical innovations to the smartphone UI. If it had the app library and developer support of iOS it would be the mobile OS to rule them all.

As badly as MS has fumbled bringing that same UI to desktops (they really should segment a windowed OS and one that is fullscreen), they succeeded making the most innovative and practical interface for smartphones.


RE: Good progress...
By Reclaimer77 on 3/28/13, Rating: 0
RE: Good progress...
By EricMartello on 3/29/2013 4:28:43 PM , Rating: 2
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Yes but the problem is, people just don't like "live tiles". They don't like them on Windows Phone, and they damn sure don't like them on Windows 8 RT or otherwise.


I like them AND prefer them on my phone.

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Windows Phone has been around a long time now. For comparison, at this point on the market Android had nearly a 40% market share. You can only make excuses for so long before you acknowledge Windows Phone might not be the mecca you think it is, and it doesn't 'jive' with consumers.


Windows Phone has been around for roughly 2 years. Its public release was in Nov 2010, and it debuted into a market that was effectively locked down by contract deals for phones that didn't have an Apple on them to include Android. As these contracts expire and more Windows Phone options become available, it is likely that more people will gravitate toward it because it is such a well-designed mobile OS.

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When I want an app to display live info, I have a widget for that. You know Widgets, the concept MS blatantly stole and called "live tiles"? I don't want my entire UI to be big square widgets though, that's absurd.


Stole? More like improved upon. I'm less concerned with how my UI looks as I am with how it works and how quickly I can access features of my phone and how easily I can get to the information I want. Live tiles can show me quite a bit of info at a glance, and a single tap lets me get more info if I need it. The look is clean and uncluttered...makes more sense to have tiles on a touchscreen than it does to have small icons.

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Sorry, but it's a disjointed mess! Those colors, those multi-sized tiles, the complete lack of any hierarchical structure or organization. You have to be kidding me.


Disjointed? Not even close. It's a very minimalistic design that works. Why would you want a hierarchical structure on a phone? That means you'd have to tap through a series of clutter to get to what you want. Windows phone lets you make any app a tile on the home screen so you can QUICKLY access whatever you want with a single tap. What next? Gonna whine about the lack of a command prompt?

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Also the notification system, well, I should say LACK OF. Seriously this is a big deal to me, I'm a huge fan of Android's notification system and how intuitive and powerful it is. Even iOS has a more robust system for this than Windows Phone. There’s no option to see a silent pop-up, and there’s no notification center which also means you don’t have a single place to glance at incoming e-mails, text messages and social network messages. If you want to see what’s happening, your only option is to go to the home screen and thumb through a bunch of Live Tiles. Wtf??


This is really showing that you have never used a Windows Phone. You can choose a tile to act as a notifier for WHATEVER you want. I have my SMS, and two email accounts set up as live tiles. I can glance at the screen to see if I have any messages and if I do I can read them with two taps.

Social network integration is second-to-none with Windows Phone. This is one area where it assuredly beats out IOS and Android by a large margin.

You're basically claiming that because Windows Phone does not need the crutches and bandaids Android does to make information available, that it somehow makes it "inferior".

The ease and efficiency of how information is presented in Windows Phone is the whole point behind me saying that it is the best smartphone OS currently available. It doesn't get in the way of you using your phone. The points you've raised are mostly coming from ignorance or an unreasonable clinginess to an outdated paradigm.


RE: Good progress...
By Pirks on 3/30/2013 12:51:26 PM , Rating: 2
Eric, you're arguing with a guy who never used any Windows Phones whatsoever, so what's the point? It's more interesting to discuss Windows Phone with a piece of wood than with Reclaimer.


RE: Good progress...
By Reclaimer77 on 3/30/2013 2:25:24 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
This is really showing that you have never used a Windows Phone. You can choose a tile to act as a notifier for WHATEVER you want. I have my SMS, and two email accounts set up as live tiles. I can glance at the screen to see if I have any messages and if I do I can read them with two taps.


???? WOW amazing.

Let me get this straight, to see notifications I have to first unlock my phone. Then view a dedicated notification tile to view them?

With Android my phone has a dedicated LED light that tells me I have notifications without me even having to turn on the screen to know they are there. This is especially useful for occasions where I need my phone to be silent. Or especially if I was a deaf person. From there I can view my notices from the unlock screen, without even having to unlock the phone. Now this is important, with Jelly Bean I can now view the entire contents of the notification, even the email sender, subject, and message, and my phone is still locked.

Also with Android you have dedicated screen space for notifications, making for a more consistent experience than WP or iOS. Seriously I don't know anyone who doesn't at least concede that Android has always lead the industry with it's pull-down notification system, LED alerts, and lock screen integration.

Sorry but if I don't have WP experience, you clearly don't have Android experience. The way Android handles notifications is far superior, second to none. This isn't an opinion, but a quantified fact. And please don't pull a fanboi and call the notification lamp LED a "gimmick", that's loser talk. Or claim you love unlocking your phone every time just to view notices.

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As these contracts expire and more Windows Phone options become available, it is likely that more people will gravitate toward it because it is such a well-designed mobile OS.


Well that time is past, because of Microsoft's apathy toward their own products, the absolute worst thing has happened to Windows Phone. A resurgent and surprisingly well polished Blackberry. Their market share is still increasing over WP, and the Z10 is selling faster than any Windows Phone ever has.

Microsoft had a chance, a real chance, to make headway in this market. But they fumbled it and maybe everyone but you knows this.


RE: Good progress...
By TakinYourPoints on 3/28/2013 6:56:33 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Oh yeah, compare the phones side by side and there's no comparison. Windows Phone is by far the smoothest and most fluid UI. Are you in denial about the infamous android lag? Denying it doesn't make it go away.


Lag, stability, fragmentation, lack of updates, inferior software library, they're in all kinds of denial here.


RE: Good progress...
By Reclaimer77 on 3/28/13, Rating: -1
RE: Good progress...
By Pirks on 3/29/2013 2:20:57 AM , Rating: 2
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Jelly Bean is at least as smooth if not smoother than Windows Phone
Most dumb and obvious piece of lying BS I've seen here. Jelly Bean on modern dual core Samsung Exynos hardware is nowhere near as smooth as my two year old WP7 phone on an ancinet single core CPU.

People, don't listen to Reclaimer since he NEVER EVER compared Android with WP7. I did and I can see through his lies here.

Don't let pro-Android trolls to guide your decision!

Check out a nice handset like ATIV S, Lumia 920 or HTC 8X and play with it, compare with Android and you will see what I'm talking about.


RE: Good progress...
By Reclaimer77 on 3/29/2013 10:19:53 AM , Rating: 2
Lol now we know you're full of it. What's the troll tactic this week perks, RIM or WP or whatever lol.


RE: Good progress...
By Pirks on 3/29/2013 12:47:12 PM , Rating: 2
denial detected


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