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HIS X1600 Gemini Courtesy of HKEPC
Single-board dual RV570 boards in the pipeline

ATI’s upcoming RV560 and RV570 will find its way into single-board, dual-GPU CrossFire configurations. Since the GPU cores have integrated composite engines, the cards are capable of Crossfire support directly on the card. 

ATI is recommending to its AIB partners that the new 80nm mainstream and value parts will be joined together on a single PCB with a PLX Technology ExpressLane PEX 8532 PCI Express bridge chip. This bridge chip is currently used on ATI Gemini graphics cards such as the GeCube dual X1600 graphics card. The bridge chip itself is nearly the same size as the GPU but only draws approximately 7.38 watts. Preliminary boards show the PEX 8532 heatsink-less which isn’t surprising considering its low power draw.

On Gemini graphics boards the PEX 8532 bridge chip (PDF) takes one PCI Express x16 interface and divides the bandwidth in half. This allocates eight PCI Express lanes to each GPU similar to how some motherboards divide sixteen PCI Express lanes across two slots on Intel, lower end SLI and CrossFire motherboards. As the PEX 8532 is a generic PCI Express switch it can be used for other implementations besides graphics switching also.

DailyTech has learned Hightech Information Systems (HIS) has dual RV570 products in the pipeline using the PEX 8352 bridge chip. Although RV570 won’t necessarily offer as much horsepower as a Radeon X1900XT, Gemini variants will be able to dedicate one RV570 GPU to physics processing; essentially one GPU can be used for graphics while the second can be used for physics or graphics.  Additionally, up to four DVI outputs can be used per card with the help of twin DMS59 interfaces

ATI’s 80nm RV560 and RV570 are expected to arrive in August and September.


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By shabby on 6/25/2006 1:48:29 PM , Rating: 2
Whats the point of using midrange gpu's? If that would be a r580 on that board then i'd be impressed.




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By modestninja on 6/25/2006 1:51:42 PM , Rating: 2
I would guess it keeps the power draw and hence heat down. Also they cost a whole lot less to manufacture.


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By fxyefx on 6/25/2006 2:26:46 PM , Rating: 2
I agree. I don't understand why ATI is releasing dual-chip cards using midrange GPUs when the end performance will be on par or less than higher end single GPUs. Wouldn't that end up costing ATI more, especially with the development costs? Why not just work on tweaking the power efficiency of the higher end GPUs... (ATI does a great job with this in their mobile solutions.) Crossfire without the dongle is nice, though.


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By masher2 (blog) on 6/25/2006 2:48:49 PM , Rating: 2
> "I don't understand why ATI is releasing dual-chip cards using midrange GPUs when the end performance will be on par or less than higher end single GPUs"

A) Same performance from slower clocked chips = higher net yields.

B) Lower power draw

C) Development costs can be amortized against dual-chip solutions utilizing higher-clocked GPUs.


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By fxyefx on 6/25/2006 2:59:26 PM , Rating: 2
I understand that they'll get better yields with the lower clocked chips, but shouldn't it still cost them more considering that they have to use double the number of GPUs to get the performance that could be had for one?

ATI already has a lot of methods by which they could achieve lower power draw; they just haven't implemented them in their desktop solutions, for some reason.

Does ATI even have plans for dual-chip cards using higher-end GPUs? If they do, I just hope they don't end up with nvidia-like solutions (massive increase in power draw for insignificant performance increases.)


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By masher2 (blog) on 6/25/2006 3:40:31 PM , Rating: 2
> "shouldn't it still cost them more considering that they have to use double the number of GPUs to get the performance that could be had for one? "

It all depends on their yield curve. There's another factor as well...the sales of the midrange-clocked parts. If they're having trouble selling all those chips, they can either drop the price further, cutting margins...or they can "convert" two midrange chips into a top end performer...through the use of one of these dual-gpu boards.


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By yyrkoon on 6/25/2006 9:05:34 PM , Rating: 2
Not everyone is a gamer, some people actually work for a living, and use thier desktop as a workstation. Midrange cards with up to 4 outputs would come in very handy . . .


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By rushfan2006 on 7/3/2006 9:51:38 AM , Rating: 2
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Not everyone is a gamer, some people actually work for a living, and use thier desktop as a workstation. Midrange cards with up to 4 outputs would come in very handy . . .


Your post is a bit puzzling to me...(full disclosure: Yes I'm a gamer), your statement implies that people that are gamers don't work for a living? Its like you are looking down on gamers ("some people ACTUALLY work for a living") as some kind of lazy social rejects or something.

I assure you I work quite hard, as do all my gamer friends...how do you think we afford these rigs? LOL


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By killerroach on 6/25/2006 4:30:00 PM , Rating: 2
The reason for midrange GPUs is simple... have you ever heard the cooling system for the X1900XT? Heck, that thing's practically Dustbuster Junior (remember the days of the GeForce 5800 Ultra?). If you had two X1900XTs on the same PCB, you'd either be talking water cooling or a small jet turbine to keep the silicon from bubbling over (the former being simply extreme and the latter being large and noisy).


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By Wwhat on 6/25/2006 7:42:22 PM , Rating: 2
but the x1900aiw can do with a much smaller cooler, simply by lowering the clocks a bit.
SO two 1900's at a more modest clock could compete with nvidia's two 7900's with a slower clock thingy.


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By NextGenGamer2005 on 6/25/2006 6:41:08 PM , Rating: 3
RV570 may be mid-range, but it is still a beast. This GPU will have 12 pixel pipelines (along with 12 TMUs, 12 ROPs), a total of 36 pixel shader units, and a 256-bit memory interface. The core clockspeed is rumored to be 625MHz; so, it will actually offer better performance then the Radeon X1900 GT (which has a 575MHz core clockspeed).

The RV560 is the exact same, but with a 128-bit memory interface. The core clockspeed will probably be 450MHz to 550MHz.


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