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Some shareholders want cash returned as a dividend to investors

Apple continues to be incredibly successful in the technology market and one of the most valuable companies in the world. So far this year Apple is sitting on a cash stockpile that amounts to $137 billion. Some Apple shareholders are upset that the company is sitting on that much cash and isn't paying out dividends to shareholders.

Moody's Investors Services issued a report this week predicting that Apple’s cash stockpile could grow to as large as $170 billion by the end of 2013. That assumes that Apple doesn't change its philosophy towards dividends and stock buybacks. Apple has been under pressure from a hedge fund manager named David Einhorn and other major investors to return some of that cash to shareholders.

Apple has noted that it is in "active discussions" on returning some of that money to investors but no details were offered. Einhorn is currently involved in the suit against Apple that CEO Tim Cook has dubbed "a sideshow."

Moody's wrote, "Unless Apple changes its philosophy towards liquidity/shareholder returns by increasing its $10 billion annual common dividend, or if Apple increases it stock buyback program, we estimate Apple’s cash balances could increase by another $35 billion in 2013 and exceed $170 billion."

When it comes to cash reserves, Apple has roughly twice as much as its closest competitor. Microsoft was sitting on total cash reserves of $68.3 billion as of December 31, 2012. Google is slightly behind with $48.1 billion.
 
The only non-technology company in the top five biggest cash-rich companies in the United States was pharmaceutical giant Pfizer with $46.9 billion in cash taking the number four spot. Rounding out the top five is Cisco Systems with $46.4 billion in cash.

Source: Market Watch



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There is no "returning"!
By Shadowself on 3/19/2013 11:01:41 AM , Rating: -1
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Some shareholders want cash returned as a dividend to investors


There is no "returning"! The money never, ever legally belonged to the investors. Legally, the money belongs to the corporation. The investors in AAPL stock have no legal rights to it unless this is explicitly spelled out in the corporation's charter, which it is not.

Apple through its board and officers needs to do with that money what is best for Apple. That is the legal responsibility of the board and officers. What is most likely best is for Apple, Inc. to do a much larger AAPL stock buy back to raise the stock's value and start minimizing the effect of market swings on the stock.

Dividends are nice, and Apple IS doing dividends again after many years of not doing dividends. It's just that large investment firms are clamoring that Apple, Inc. is not giving them enough ! And these investment firms are trying to justify this by trying to get people to believe, incorrectly, that the money is really theirs. It's not.




RE: There is no "returning"!
By Treckin on 3/19/2013 12:12:31 PM , Rating: 3
I rarely log in to post, but had to just to point out how wrong you are.

The most obvious way you are wrong is in making a distinction between the corporation and the shareholders. That's the same entity. I believe you are confusing the employees with the corporate entity, which is a common mistake. Some employees own stock, and when they act as stockholders they are acting as the corporation. When not, they're employees.

This is an important distinction because you see, Apple SHOULD be "returning" that money to investors - it certainly isnt doing them very good piling up like timber, right? If you are a stakeholder in Apple, you want that money returned to you as either a dividend or ideally as company growth.

If Apple cant figure out how to SPEND the money in a way which causes their overall valuation to increase (returning money for investors), they need to admit they can no longer grow and yes, share the profits with the stakeholders. Thats the way risk is rewarded in a capitalist society.

typed from my phone sorry for any mistakes.


RE: There is no "returning"!
By UpSpin on 3/19/2013 12:26:23 PM , Rating: 2
If a shareholder does not like how the corporation acts, he can sell his shares. Everyone knows how Apple acts, so they shouldn't be surprised to not receive any dividend or anything more except the value of the share, which is the only thing which belongs to them and not more.

If the company does well, the share rises. If the shareholder forgets to sell his shares then or buys them at its maximum peak then it's his fault if he loses money because of a falling share and not directly Apples.
Sure, Apple could handle counteractive and buy shares up or pay huge amounts of bonuses, but they don't have to.
The only thing you can do is blame them for not using the money for new devices. And if you don't like the way they act, you can sell your share, just as many currently do.

The Apple share constantly increased to a ridiculous amount and shareholders made a lot of money with the Apple share. No one really complained that Apple put back lots of cash.
But then, the Apple shares fell and suddenly big investors want money from Apple. Coincidence?


RE: There is no "returning"!
By half_duplex on 3/19/2013 12:35:49 PM , Rating: 2
You make good points, but I think you are wrong on a few of your facts.

As stated, the money never belonged to share holders. A share holder agrees to the dividend rules when they purchased the stock. They can't cry foul now. They can also get out if they want, they'll come out in the black.

Secondly, that stock pile of cash DOES help strengthen their overall valuation if for no other reason than they haven't misspent it yet.

Hedgefund manager (LOL - ironic) sees $$$ and wants a slice, well, bigger than he's already getting.


RE: There is no "returning"!
By bsd228 on 3/19/2013 2:12:24 PM , Rating: 2
> As stated, the money never belonged to share holders. A share holder agrees to the dividend rules when they purchased the stock. They can't cry foul now. They can also get out if they want, they'll come out in the black.

As stated incorrectly, yes. Let me put it to you this way. If the shareholders, the actual owners of Apple, don't own the assets, who does? There is no one else.

The Board sets the policies, including cash management and the decision to issue dividends, this is correct. But you must also note that they have a fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders. That doesn't mean bankrupt the company giving away 200B in cash this year. But when the company amasses more cash than it can possibly use, the best use is to return the excess to the shareholders. Their refusal to is a factor in the share price drop.

The truth is that Apple cannot make use of this much capital. They made their success by focusing on a very small set of products and doing them well. If they increased their R&D budget 10x, good things will not happen. They will instead become bloated and suffer the pains of failed products, the scourge of discount pricing and expand beyond their core competencies.

I think it's unlikely they can sustain these outsized profits. They've already lost their advantage in phones, and all the lawyers in the world won't protect the ipad forever. They will still be highly profitable, but not at the volume they enjoy today. The stock price will decrease to reflect that new reality when it happens. Meanwhile, the existing shareholders should enjoy some of the happy days.


RE: There is no "returning"!
By half_duplex on 3/19/2013 8:57:32 PM , Rating: 2
You are not wrong, I agree in fact, I'm just pointing out that if the powers that be, in their fiduciary responsibility, feel the share holders are best served by the existence of this pile of cash, than they have every right to proceed this was.

Should a hedge fund manager sue Walmart if he doesn't like their decision to invest in time travel R&D?


RE: There is no "returning"!
By Treckin on 3/19/2013 12:43:38 PM , Rating: 3
I wont reply again except to say that you are sadly confused. Simply because you signed the dividend agreement as it currently stands doesnt mean you arnt a stakeholder. In fact, the large your share count, the larger your voting position is in drafting the dividend agreements.

Additionally, I believe that the stakeholders here are arguing that they should see the return (ROI) as an increase in stock value, which would be generated by direct investment from cash reserves in growth generating expenditure, or in the form of a higher dividend. Keep in mind both of those things, a higher dividend and/or higher growth spending from cash reserves will push the share price up.

Believe me, "sell your shares if you dont like it" is not an approach the board would look favorably upon. You're essentially inciting a run on Apple stock. When everyone who doesn't like it decides to sell, guess what happens to the market price of Apple stock?


RE: There is no "returning"!
By half_duplex on 3/19/2013 2:10:03 PM , Rating: 1
I'm not sadly confused. What you're saying makes sense, but Apple isn't legally obligated to listen to what you, or anyone else, would do if you were boss at Apple, that's my only point.

Owning public stock doesn't give you a seat on the board.


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