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Some sports cars won't pass minimum noise rules according to automakers

The Obama administration instituted a so-called "quiet cars" rule that would force automakers to add noisemakers to electric and nearly silent vehicles to help alert blind pedestrians. However, major automakers are now complaining that the ruling would result in warning sounds that are too loud.
 
Two major automotive trade groups to represent the big three in Detroit, Toyota, Volkswagen, and other major Asian and European automakers have voiced concerns about the proposed rules.

According to Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers and Association of Global Automakers, the rule, "is too complicated and is unnecessarily prescriptive. If implemented as proposed, it would result in alert sounds that are louder than necessary, create driver and occupant annoyance and cost more than necessary."


Tesla Model S EV

The proposal by the NHTSA would set minimum sound levels for both hybrid and electric vehicles for pedestrians, and specifically to alert visually impaired people. According to automakers, the rules as they are proposed would create electric vehicles that are louder than some high-performance sports cars.

The NHTSA wants to add these noise rules for silent vehicles because the odds of a hybrid vehicle being involved in a crash with a pedestrian are 19% higher compared to vehicles with traditional gasoline or diesel engines. The likelihood of hybrid vehicle being involved in an accident with a bicyclist is reportedly 38% higher. The new rules set forth by the NHTSA are supposed to begin implementation in September 2014.

If the NHTSA refuses to change the rules, auto manufacturers want the phase in to be extended to 2018. Adding the noisemakers is estimated to cost an additional $35 per vehicle and to cost automotive industry $23 million the first year. As the rule stands now the minimum sound requirements would apply at vehicles at speeds of up to 18.6 mph.

Source: Detroit News



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What's the Rule?
By Integral9 on 3/19/2013 10:44:16 AM , Rating: 2
ok, I get that the auto manufacturers are all grumpy about having to put a beeper on their cars, saying that it's too loud and they don't understand the directions. What's too loud? 35dB? 50dB? 150dB? What's so complicated about the directions?




RE: What's the Rule?
By freedom4556 on 3/19/2013 11:58:18 AM , Rating: 2
No, the point here is that the beeper is objectively louder than an idling V8, which is worse than if the car wasn't a hybrid/EV.


RE: What's the Rule?
By Integral9 on 3/19/2013 1:51:42 PM , Rating: 2
is it? I don't know because what the rule is isn't mentioned in the article. All I know is that automakers aren't happy about it. Which is really nothing new. They bitched about adding seat-belts back in the 50s, ABS in the 80s, airbags in the 90s, etc. So I take their bitching with a grain of salt and would like to know what the proposed rules are so I can determine for myself if they are justified in their bitching or just being bitches.


RE: What's the Rule?
By Integral9 on 3/19/2013 2:16:54 PM , Rating: 2
why is it every time i mention a lack of content in an article someone rates me down?


RE: What's the Rule?
By Reclaimer77 on 3/19/13, Rating: -1
RE: What's the Rule?
By Integral9 on 3/19/2013 2:09:42 PM , Rating: 2
While I agree with you to some extent, local governments already make laws regarding how loud vehicles can be, called noise ordinances.

Putting a minimum on the sound a vehicle makes is a bit silly imo. People are just going to have to actually start looking where they are going instead of sucking face to their BBs and cell phones while they walk around town. I suppose it's a learning curve though. It's kinda like when you go to a foreign country and forget they drive on the other side of the road and you look the wrong way before stepping out into the street and get run over. Whether you heard the car coming or not, it doesn't matter.


RE: What's the Rule?
By Reclaimer77 on 3/19/2013 3:08:49 PM , Rating: 2
Yes which is in regards to aftermarket mods. I don't know of state laws dictating factory sound codes to the manufacturers. This is, typical for Obama, too overreaching.


RE: What's the Rule?
By Spuke on 3/19/2013 3:29:46 PM , Rating: 2
Noise ordinances have been around for ages. Nothing new. I will say that most of the ordinances allow for the some pretty loud vehicles. All but maybe the loudest Harley's would pass easily. Besides, enforcement is sporadic at least here in CA.


RE: What's the Rule?
By Reclaimer77 on 3/19/2013 4:20:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Noise ordinances have been around for ages. Nothing new.


Yeah but Spuke this IS new. This is the Federal Government dictating this. I mean, why must I be the ONLY one pointing this out? Do that many people really believe that's the role of the Government? Telling car makers that EV's and other vehicles need to be loud? Is there anyone else who thinks that Obama has WAY bigger problems to tackle in this country than this?

Do they even teach the Separated Powers anymore? I feel like I'm on crazy pills every time this Administration goes over the line on something. The President cannot be arbitrarily deciding things like this, it's insane!


RE: What's the Rule?
By Spuke on 3/19/2013 5:05:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yeah but Spuke this IS new.
I wasn't talking about the EV legislation. I was addressing this post:
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Yes which is in regards to aftermarket mods. I don't know of state laws dictating factory sound codes to the manufacturers.

My only point in that post is that noise ordinances, which are typically local and may be on a state level too, are nothing new. And auto manufacturers would have to follow them and more than likely the automakers go by the quietest standard.

That said, I'm pretty sure there are federal guidelines/laws on vehicle noise although it is my understanding that states set the exact limits. I think the EV legislation is nothing short of stupidity but are they really overstepping their bounds (meaning is it more a guideline like the present stuff?)? I have not read the new legislation so I don't know the details.


RE: What's the Rule?
By Reclaimer77 on 3/19/2013 5:09:42 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah but you know what I'm saying. Look how upside down we are with priorities. They don't even try to pass a budget, which the law actually requires, but we're instead worried about making EV's annoying enough.

It's just insane. Why doesn't this drive more people nuts?


RE: What's the Rule?
By Spuke on 3/19/2013 5:22:03 PM , Rating: 2
All very true. Their priorities are in total disarray. I swear to God, if I had a billion or a few hundred million laying around I'd sue then on not passing the budget.

quote:
It's just insane. Why doesn't this drive more people nuts?
Believe it not, LOTS of people on both sides of the fence are pretty fed up. I know staunch Republicans that don't want anything to do with their party and Democrats that now say they're just liberals (ie not Democrats). Dogs and cats sleeping together!! People really don't know what to do honestly. That's my take on it anyways.


RE: What's the Rule?
By InsGadget on 3/24/2013 12:40:54 PM , Rating: 2
If not the government, then whom? Perhaps an industry watchdog group, but either way someone needs to make sure this is dealt with. I drive a bike and walk on sidewalks a lot, hearing cars behind me is a huge part of my spatial awareness in these situations.


RE: What's the Rule?
By toyotabedzrock on 3/20/2013 2:46:54 AM , Rating: 2
It is to protect blind people who can hear a normal car coming. but an ev on low rolling resistance tires might not be heard by them.

I think some tests with actual newly blinded people. And with dogs in a few senerios would sold the issue.


RE: What's the Rule?
By lyeoh on 3/20/2013 5:16:07 AM , Rating: 2
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