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He said other smartphones -- like Android-powered devices -- are leaving Apple in its dust

Apple isn't the only tech giant who can throw a few punches in the competitive smartphone ring: BlackBerry's CEO took a couple of shots at Apple recently, saying the iPhone is old news.

BlackBerry CEO Thorsten Heins told The Australian Financial Review that Apple's iPhone has been left behind during a storm of new smartphone releases (such as Android and BlackBerry 10 smartphones).

“Apple did a fantastic job in bringing touch devices to market...They did a fantastic job with the user interface, they are a design icon," said Heins. "There is a reason why they were so successful, and we actually have to admit this and respect that.

“History repeats itself again I guess...the rate of innovation is so high in our industry that if you don’t innovate at that speed you can be replaced pretty quickly. The user interface on the iPhone, with all due respect for what this invention was all about is now five years old.”


Heins went on to say that his company's own BlackBerry 10 smartphones surpass the iPhone in one way especially -- multi-tasking. He said BB10 phones can run multiple apps much like a laptop while the iPhone seems to lack in that area.

“The point is that you can never stand still," said Heins. "It is true for us as well. Launching BB10 just put us on the starting grid of the wider mobile computing grand prix, and now we need to win it."

Last week, Phil Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of worldwide marketing, was bad-mouthing Google's Android on the eve of the Samsung Galaxy S IV release. He said three-quarters of iPhone users say they're "very satisfied" with their experience while only half of Android users say the same, and that Android's biggest problem is its "plain and simple" fragmentation. Apple, on the other hand, is responsible for both the software and hardware of an iPhone -- hence, Schiller says, the experience is more seamless.

As for the Samsung Galaxy S IV itself, Schiller said the device will ship with an operating system that is already a year old, and that Google's Android updates come at a snail's speed.

"With their own data, only 16 percent of Android users are on year-old version of the operating system," said Schiller. "Over 50 percent are still on software that is two years old. A really big difference.

"And that extends to the news we are hearing this week that the Samsung Galaxy S4 is being rumored to ship with an OS that is nearly a year old. Customers will have to wait to get an update."

Clearly Apple is threatened by Android's smartphone dominance, and BlackBerry is likely hoping to be an innovator in the smartphone realm once again as well. BlackBerry launched its line of BlackBerry 10 (BB10) devices in January of this year. At that time, it revealed the BlackBerry Z10 and the Q10 phones. The Z10 finally came to the U.S. March 12 as AT&T began its presale for $199 (with a two-year contract). The phone actually ships March 22.

Heins is optimistic about BB10 bringing BlackBerry back to life, as he was recently quoted saying that Z10 sales in Europe were "encouraging." He also said customers were switching from other platforms to BB10.

Another boost to BlackBerry could be a possible purchase of the company by Lenovo, which has been rumored. Lenovo CEO Yang Yuanqing told French financial newspaper Les Echos that it could eventually buy BlackBerry, but it needs to review such a decision first.

Source: The Australian Financial Review



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You cant argue...
By retrospooty on 3/18/2013 12:22:07 PM , Rating: 5

“Apple did a fantastic job in bringing touch devices to market...They did a fantastic job with the user interface, they are a design icon," said Heins. "There is a reason why they were so successful, and we actually have to admit this and respect that."

He is right...

“History repeats itself again I guess...the rate of innovation is so high in our industry that if you don’t innovate at that speed you can be replaced pretty quickly. The user interface on the iPhone, with all due respect for what this invention was all about is now five years old.”

And Right again.

Apple did a great job in the years leading up to the iPhone. IOS was a home run and Apple reaped the benefits and is still reaping them... But now, the 3 main competitors BB, WP8 and Android are all better in features, form and functionality with the exception of the app store, which is marginally better, if that matters to you.




RE: You cant argue...
By Shadowself on 3/18/13, Rating: -1
RE: You cant argue...
By retrospooty on 3/18/2013 2:22:48 PM , Rating: 1
??? ... That was true then, but it didnt mean that it wasnt a breakthrough. Clearly the iPhone pushed things forward in a major way... It was then and is still now a major pain in the ass to type a long email message on a virtual keyboard. Voice recognition has come a long way making it bearable and for those that just type too much and cant deal with it, there are still qwerty models available.

" but to now say it was a design triumph, but is now out of date is absurd."

Design triumph is too dramatic of a phrase for me, but it was a hell of a step forward and now it's sort of 4th in a 4 man race as far as features form and function. Not really hard to get. The first car was years beyond the horse nad buggy, but it doesnt stack up to todays cars. That is an extreme example, Apple isnt that far behind, but as far as features, UI, and funtionalty of the major 4, Android, Blackberry (10) and WP8, IOS is clearly lacking.


RE: You cant argue...
By Phoque on 3/18/2013 7:52:44 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
It was then and is still now a major pain in the ass to type a long email message on a virtual keyboard.


Bullshit, have you tried a Z10 in landscape, with its word completion feature? You'll type faster and make fewer mistakes than on a phone with physical keyboard.


RE: You cant argue...
By RjBass on 3/18/2013 10:42:44 PM , Rating: 2
Word completion feature? Is that anything like the Swipe function on my Galaxy Note II that I have fallen in love with. Writing long emails or text messages isn't nearly as painful as it used to be.


RE: You cant argue...
By MadMan007 on 3/18/2013 11:11:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
the horse nad buggy


Yeah, but everyone riding one of those was really ballin'


RE: You cant argue...
By retrospooty on 3/19/2013 8:50:40 AM , Rating: 2
LOL... I knew someone would catch that. No womder they went obsolete with all the PETA type groups out there. What a cruel form of travel.


RE: You cant argue...
By Tony Swash on 3/18/13, Rating: -1
RE: You cant argue...
By retrospooty on 3/18/2013 2:31:58 PM , Rating: 4
Right... Like its just the two of us. And the investors, stock market and industry in general and even alot of iPhone users arent saying the same things... /rolls eyes.

Even Woz sees it... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-227...

Its all over the financial channels as well but if you cant find it, let me hlp you...
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=apple+falling+behind

Its pretty clear to anyone but you and the few other iFans that Apple is 4th in a 4 man race. Still 1st in profits for sure, but alot of that is momentum. Innovation has slowed if not stopped at Apple and there isn't anything your sarcasm can do to change it. Denial wont change it either.

What can change it is innovation and Apple is certainly capable of it. Maybe we will see it in the next round, but certainly not today.


RE: You cant argue...
By Tony Swash on 3/18/13, Rating: 0
RE: You cant argue...
By retrospooty on 3/18/2013 7:59:51 PM , Rating: 3
Stop pretending to miss the point. We are talking about the technology in the phones. Everyone else has leapfrogged Apple and you know it.


RE: You cant argue...
By Reclaimer77 on 3/18/2013 8:13:31 PM , Rating: 2
lol once again Tony attempts to counter a technology argument with a financial report.

Seriously that guy, it's like he doesn't even care about the discussion. It's just an opportunity to spin his big wheel of financial reports and randomly link them.

Maybe he's the Monopoly guy??


RE: You cant argue...
By retrospooty on 3/18/2013 9:45:52 PM , Rating: 3
LOL... Whatever he is, he is clearly threatened by Android. He can't leave a single topic alone. Just like these CEOs and CMOs lately badmouthing the competition... It just makes you look petty and afraid.


RE: You cant argue...
By Pirks on 3/18/2013 11:23:07 PM , Rating: 1
Say what you want Android trolls, but Apple still takes most of the market's profit. For you spec fappers only the megapixels and gigahertz matter, but for the business specs are nothing and money is everything. For now Apple keeps pwning the other companies money wise, so I don't see the reason to get so agitated at Tony.

Don't get nervous guys, it's business as usual - Apple keeps getting most of the money, the rest waste their effort trying to catch up. Tony is stating the hard cold facts again. Don't shoot the messenger!

Wake me up when the picture changes in any way money-wise. It's been the same many years already, with Apple getting almost all the profit, I don't see the reason why it will change.


RE: You cant argue...
By Kyuu on 3/19/2013 1:52:44 AM , Rating: 2
Funny, considering the iPhone 5 was what again? Oh right, it was a spec bump. Funny how Apple fans went nuts when they thought the iPhone 5 had the top spot in the spec war. Now that it's fallen behind again, of course specs don't matter. *eyeroll*

Plus they played the "me-too" card with making the screen bigger (well, longer, but still), after saying the iPhone 4 had the perfect size.


RE: You cant argue...
By retrospooty on 3/19/2013 7:58:43 AM , Rating: 2
If you read anything in the entire thread, it was about features and OS. Apple has been left behind and it currently 4th in a 4 man race behind even hapless RIMM now. Dont say you dont know its true, you bought an Android too.


RE: You cant argue...
By Pirks on 3/20/2013 12:43:09 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
you bought an Android too
So what? Does it change the fact that Apple still takes almost all the profit in the market? Nope :P

Does my second WP7 phone change the fact that MS has lost the mobile computing race and faded into irrelevance? Nope :P (Surface RT is more like a random agony kick of a dying animal than a real useful device)

Got my point now? You probably don't understand that my phones mean NOTHING. Whatever...


RE: You cant argue...
By retrospooty on 3/20/2013 12:21:52 PM , Rating: 2
"So what? Does it change the fact that Apple still takes almost all the profit in the market? Nope :P"

You are right, it doesnt... But the conversation you joined in on wasn't about a companies profits, it was about the tech in phones and that Apple is 4th in a 4 man race. Being that even you most recent purchases (correct me if I am wrong) are Windows Phone, Blackberry OS10 and Android. That kind of backs up the point.


RE: You cant argue...
By Tony Swash on 3/19/2013 7:14:56 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Everyone else has leapfrogged Apple and you know it.


Based on what - the Galaxy S4 :)

A trivial upgrade wrapped in a high budget and bad taste PR marketing stunt. Most of it's rumored features turned out to be vapourware.

There are only two players in the mobile device market, Samsung and Apple. Both are doing very well. Everybody else is failing and fading. Samsung sells more handsets than Apple but not at the high end, Apple sells more tablets and Apple makes more money. They both sell vast and growing numbers of devices. Everybody else hasn't got as clue. None of that had changed recently and won't change in the near future.

Both companies will continue to grow. Apple will continue to make the most money and will continue to build the most successful mobile platform as it heads to the one billion user mark.

The endless and tedious drivel about specs lists and differential rates of innovation means nothing. It's just the iPhobes equivalent to whistling in the dark.


RE: You cant argue...
By retrospooty on 3/19/2013 8:03:26 AM , Rating: 2
"Based on what - the Galaxy S4 :)"

Not at all on the S4. It's just another face in the crowd of great phones out there. Not even one of the better ones to me.

"The endless and tedious drivel about specs lists and differential rates of innovation means nothing. It's just the iPhobes equivalent to whistling in the dark."

OK, fine, stick with the pretend you don't understand the point thing. Apple is making money today, so they dont need to keep innovating. And that HUGE list of missing features? No-one wants features, its just fluff. Good luck with that.


RE: You cant argue...
By 91TTZ on 3/18/2013 1:54:04 PM , Rating: 3
I'm not sure what this guy is trying to say. At first he admits that the iPhone was a great design, mostly as a disclaimer, and then he takes a dig at them by trying to suggest that since the iPhone design is now 5 years old it's therefore outdated.

The problem with that line of reasoning is that the design of all smartphone competitors has converged on what the iPhone has been from the beginning.

If you remember, RIM tried to stick with the old Blackberry design (small screen, big physical keyboard) as long as they could until all their customers went with other phones with the big screen/touch interface. Then they tried going with a large touch screen that you pressed on the Blackberry Storm, strangely lacking WiFi. Nobody wanted that. Now the Z10 is basically an iPhone clone.

Blackberry is hurting for market share and they're getting desperate. Their new product is a steep proposition. Why would anyone leave the iPhone or Android ecosystems to jump onboard a dying company's smaller, less refined ecosystem?

They're facing an uphill battle. Their best bet is to be bought out by somebody else so they can have access to their intellectual property and use the few things of value in the company. Maybe the new buyer can use the OS or customize Android to have the same look. There's no much else of value.


RE: You cant argue...
By retrospooty on 3/18/2013 2:13:48 PM , Rating: 3
"I'm not sure what this guy is trying to say. At first he admits that the iPhone was a great design, mostly as a disclaimer, and then he takes a dig at them by trying to suggest that since the iPhone design is now 5 years old it's therefore outdated."

Its not hard to follow. The initial iPhone pushed the industry ahead and was leaps and bounds better than the competition. Now the competition has not only caught up, but surpassed it. What is unclear ?


RE: You cant argue...
By 91TTZ on 3/18/2013 3:10:06 PM , Rating: 1
His reasoning is poor. If you were to listen to Blackberry you would have heard them say that the iPhone was a dumb idea and that it would never be successful. Now all Blackberry can do is imitate the same iPhone that stole all its market share.

Every step of the way Blackberry has made the wrong decisions, yet they still publicly opine on the decisions made by more successful companies. This guy should learn from history and keep his mouth shut. If he knew what he was talking about his company wouldn't be in the position it's in.


RE: You cant argue...
By retrospooty on 3/18/2013 3:25:52 PM , Rating: 2
Totally agreed, BB has very nearly obsoluted themselves. They took 3-4 years too long to come out with BB10. And a CEO, or for that matter any public figure from a company shouldn't bad-mouth the competition. It just makes them look petty and afraid. But as far as the part about the iPhone being behind the competition, he is right.


RE: You cant argue...
By half_duplex on 3/19/2013 9:43:47 AM , Rating: 2
I don't think it's fair yet to say that Apple is behind the competition. The ONLY thing they took too long to do was the larger screen, and for most iPhone users, it was only 1 model late.

The rest of the "lacking" features are things that iPhone users appreciate.


RE: You cant argue...
By Reclaimer77 on 3/18/2013 4:48:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Now all Blackberry can do is imitate the same iPhone that stole all its market share.


You iTard's are really annoying when you pull this argument. RIM's phone designs and new OS are anything but a "stolen" product. You have got to get a new insult, this one is dry and stale. Much like iOS...


RE: You cant argue...
By 91TTZ on 3/18/2013 8:42:18 PM , Rating: 2
It's funny because I'm actually an Apple hater. I just think the iPhone is good. Apple is in trouble though because they put all their eggs in one basket. The profit margins on mobile devices is going to begin drying up as more and more competitors offer worthy products for a lower price.


RE: You cant argue...
By Tony Swash on 3/18/2013 8:50:29 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
The profit margins on mobile devices is going to begin drying up as more and more competitors offer worthy products for a lower price.


Although up until now and even with all the existing competitors and large Android sales there has been absolutely zero erosion of iPhone margins. Which is interesting. When do you think your projected Apple profit erosion will kick in and what new factors in the market will precipitate it?


RE: You cant argue...
By Phoque on 3/18/2013 7:59:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Their best bet is to be bought out by somebody else so they can have access to their intellectual property and use the few things of value in the company.


I think there are a lot of people like you who haven't realized how great the new Blackberry OS is. But that's Blackberry's marketing department's job to get the message out. At this point, the sale of Blackberry would be a great loss for its investors. Let's wait some time and see how the Blackberry 10 platform performs. My bet is that it will be a great success.


RE: You cant argue...
By Tony Swash on 3/19/2013 12:44:54 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I'm not sure what this guy is trying to say.


He is saying

I know "Blackberry is now an almost irrelevant has been, that we have a new OS but no one is interested in it, so if I don't say something provocatively stupid about the iPhone and Apple I won't get any press coverage at all and at least this way I get the stupid 'Apple is doomed' iPhobic commentators all excited and when was the last time that anything anyone from Blackberry said created any sort of excitement."


RE: You cant argue...
By danjw1 on 3/18/2013 2:41:07 PM , Rating: 2
Umm, I think he is right; But, the truth is that his firm isn't any better then Apple. They both have been left behind, because of an inability to keep up with the pace of innovation.


RE: You cant argue...
By 91TTZ on 3/18/13, Rating: 0
RE: You cant argue...
By retrospooty on 3/18/2013 3:33:54 PM , Rating: 2
"In what way has Apple fallen behind in regards to innovation?"

It has the oldest, blandest UI in the business and is missing a hell of alot of features for a high end phone. Small screens, no full HD, low DPI compared to the competition, horrible edge to edge display, no micro SD card, removable battery, NFC, mini HDMI, widgets, live wallpaper, micro USB, eye recognition, wireless charging, multi-window support, decent notifications etc.

Its not that evveryone cares about every missing feature, its just a lot of missing features for a so called "high end" smartphone.


RE: You cant argue...
By Reclaimer77 on 3/18/2013 5:23:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
In what way has Apple fallen behind in regards to innovation?


Was this a serious question? I refuse to believe you are THIS iTarded...

In the past three years their only "innovations" have been Siri and copying others by going with a bit bigger screen on the iPhone. Even though they and many others claimed the original size was "perfect".

Seriously if anyone can think of some "innovations" with Apple's iPhone line besides those, please tell me. I can't find them anywhere.


RE: You cant argue...
By jimbojimbo on 3/19/2013 5:03:41 PM , Rating: 2
What's funny is the only innovation that came to your mind wasn't even their innovation. They just bought the company that wrote it in the first place then slapped it onto their new phones.


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