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Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher are back

For those of you who shuddered at the thought of Disney buying Lucasfilm Ltd. and releasing a new (potentially terrible) trilogy in a couple of years, here's a bit of news that may ease the pain: the original Princess Leia, Luke Skywalker and Han Solo may be back.

George Lucas, the creator of the "Star Wars" trilogies, slipped in a Bloomberg BusinessWeek interview that Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford (the original Princess Leia, Luke Skywalker and Han Solo in Episodes IV-VI) will resume their roles in the upcoming trilogy made by Disney.

"We had already signed Mark and Carrie and Harrison -- or we were pretty much in final stages of negotiation," said Lucas. "So I called them to say, 'Look, this is what's going on.'"

Lucas stopped a moment in the interview, realizing he probably wasn't supposed to unveil that detail quiet yet.

“Maybe I’m not supposed to say that," continued Lucas. "I think they want to announce that with some big whoop-de-do, but we were negotiating with them.

"I won’t say whether the negotiations were successful or not.”

Nice save, Lucas.


The Walt Disney Company acquired Lucasfilm Ltd. (Lucas' film production company) for $4.05 billion USD in late October 2012.

Along with that acquisition came news of a new trilogy, which would be Episodes VII, VIII, and IX. The new trilogy will follow Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia and Han Solo once again beyond "Return of the Jedi," which was Episode VI in the original trilogy.

Episode VII is set to release in 2015.

Another cool factoid about the upcoming Episode VII? It will be directed by J.J. Abrams.

Die-hard "Star Wars" fans accused Lucas of losing his mind over the last decade or so when he created the second trilogy (Episodes I-III) with ridiculous characters like Jar Jar Binks. He also made huge changes to the Blu-ray release of "Star Wars," where Lucas only wanted to keep 25-30 percent of the original theatrical content. The nine-disc set contained new “content” like Darth Vader screaming "Nooo!" in the final battle scene of Episode VI.

Of course, we can't forget a very crucial mistake Lucas made in changing Episode IV: A New Hope -- Han shot first.

Source: Businessweek



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The pain is worse
By Reclaimer77 on 3/8/2013 1:20:45 PM , Rating: 5
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For those of you who shuddered at the thought of Disney buying Lucasfilm Ltd. and releasing a new (potentially terrible) trilogy in a couple of years, here's a bit of news that may ease the pain: the original Princess Leia, Luke Skywalker and Han Solo may be back.


Maybe back in 1999 when the Phantom Menace came out, a sequel with the original cast would have been welcome. But this news, unfortunately, gives me little hope this new project will result in a good new trilogy.

Do we really want to see these indomitable invulnerable heroes as galactic senior citizens? Do we want to see Harrison Ford mail in another lifeless performance like he did in The Crystal Skull? And more importantly, do we really need to see Carrie Fisher, bloated and bad-skinned from 40 years of hard drinking, pretend she's still a Princess?

Of course we're all going to pay to go see our favorite heroes climb back in the saddle one last time, which is probably the point. Another Lucas-fueled money grab instead of a quality product.




RE: The pain is worse
By ClownPuncher on 3/8/2013 1:45:36 PM , Rating: 2
Sure. If they make it dark like ESB, I wouldn't mind. If it's goofy and crappy like 1-3, then no.


RE: The pain is worse
By Obujuwami on 3/11/2013 10:35:13 AM , Rating: 2
I agree! The first three had grit to them as everything wasn't computer generated. If it were gritty like IV, V, and VI (aka looks REAL) then I think more people will go. There also needs to be a VERY GOOD story behind it. Maybe take a hint from some of the millions of books that have been published with Mara Jade, Wedge Antilles, and other noted but often over looked characters in the SW universe.

Hell, I would love to see the Eclipse Star Destroyer!


RE: The pain is worse
By inperfectdarkness on 3/8/2013 1:47:22 PM , Rating: 5
Don't forget Mark Hamil trying to beat out Marlon Brando for who killed off the most buffets.


RE: The pain is worse
By RufusM on 3/11/2013 11:47:40 AM , Rating: 2
Nice!! Great one, my friend.


RE: The pain is worse
By dubldwn on 3/8/2013 2:22:20 PM , Rating: 4
I agree 100%. We need a new generation of heroes.
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The new trilogy will follow Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia and Han Solo...

Well, I certainly hope that’s not true. I mean, a cameo here and there would be fun but let’s move on to a new story.


RE: The pain is worse
By Mitch101 on 3/8/2013 4:01:53 PM , Rating: 5
We never did get Spaceballs 2: The Search for More Money maybe Disney can pick up that franchise of one movie too.


RE: The pain is worse
By SPOOFE on 3/9/2013 3:37:47 PM , Rating: 3
There was also the rumor of Spaceballs 3: The Search For 2.


RE: The pain is worse
By Devilboy1313 on 3/10/2013 3:09:47 AM , Rating: 3
Spaceballs without Barf ... no thanks.


RE: The pain is worse
By retrospooty on 3/11/2013 7:31:27 AM , Rating: 3
That's Barfolomew ;)


RE: The pain is worse
By johnsmith9875 on 3/14/2013 11:40:51 AM , Rating: 2
I'm still waiting for History of the World Part 2, with Hitler on Ice, and Jewwwwwss Innnn Spaaacccceeee!


RE: The pain is worse
By Da W on 3/8/2013 5:13:50 PM , Rating: 3
The Heroes are Han and Leia's twins, one son one daughter, the first two new jedis while uncle Luke turns bad.
The old crew is back as supporting role.


RE: The pain is worse
By Lord 666 on 3/8/2013 5:28:41 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks for ruining it...


RE: The pain is worse
By Mitch101 on 3/8/2013 6:20:16 PM , Rating: 3
RE: The pain is worse
By JediJeb on 3/8/2013 8:06:52 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The Heroes are Han and Leia's twins, one son one daughter, the first two new jedis while uncle Luke turns bad.


You forgot the second younger son Anakin Solo :)

I won't spoil it with what happens to Chewy.


RE: The pain is worse
By Fritzr on 3/8/2013 10:54:16 PM , Rating: 3
It was "spoiled" many long years ago for any true SW fan. There were 12 books in the original release ... 9 of those books were scheduled for cinematic treatment & the final 3 are now on their way.

I am not sure if 1, II & III are faithful to the original novels (been too long since I have read them), but I can hope the next 3 are. Han, Luke and Leia ARE senior citizens in the original novels and their kids have new adventures, so it is appropriate that the original cast continues without needing special makeup to appear the proper ages in the final planned trilogy :)


RE: The pain is worse
By Reclaimer77 on 3/9/2013 8:34:58 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
I won't spoil it with what happens to Chewy.


Ugh I forgot entirely about Chewbacca. So I guess if the original holy trinity of Han, Luke, and Leia are back we can also expect to see a shitty CGI cartoon looking Chewbacca in the movies as well...

Just...kill me now someone lol.


RE: The pain is worse
By martin5000 on 3/9/2013 1:37:38 PM , Rating: 2
CGI Chewbacca = no sale.


RE: The pain is worse
By maugrimtr on 3/11/2013 9:29:02 AM , Rating: 2
C'mon, you know they'll do it. They have the CGI ability to make his hair look 80% realistic if you don't look too closely or for too long.

Also expect Mr. Binks to make an appearance,

Me so happy!


RE: The pain is worse
By talikarni on 3/13/2013 2:16:33 PM , Rating: 2
This would be perfect... with the 3 of them aging, it would make an excellent extension to the series, with a story showing all 3 of them passing along the torch to a new generation of younger characters, maybe their kids... With little Chewy kids running around getting into everything for a nice little twist, maybe little Chewies playing or messing with Ewoks.... The potential sound great.
Who cares if it is JJ Abrams, as long as the base storyline stays true they should be great movies.


RE: The pain is worse
By FITCamaro on 3/8/2013 2:23:33 PM , Rating: 5
I am hoping they're only in it as leaders. Not as the action stars. Otherwise it'll be Star Wars: Walkers Strike Back and Star Wars: The Last Poop


RE: The pain is worse
By Mitch101 on 3/8/2013 3:59:30 PM , Rating: 5
Yoda was right:
"When 900 years old you reach, look as good you will not ehh."


RE: The pain is worse
By Ammohunt on 3/8/2013 3:00:44 PM , Rating: 3
Lucas doesn't have it in him one word Midichlorians; when you extract the philosophy and mysticism so intricately entwined in the first three moves and chock it up to science you get just another sci-fi movie. I will probably watch them but i am positive i will be disappointed.


RE: The pain is worse
By bodar on 3/8/2013 5:14:54 PM , Rating: 2
Except, philosophy and mysticism aren't hereditary, and the original trilogy clearly talked about Luke and Leia being strong with the Force because they were Anakin's children. The philosophic and mystic elements were related to how one used the Force: for good or for evil. If anything, it was a mix of science and religion/belief.


RE: The pain is worse
By Reclaimer77 on 3/8/2013 5:36:54 PM , Rating: 4
Ugh, another prequel apologist. You could not be more wrong.

The Force, as explained by Yoda:

"For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship."

Mediclorians destroy the mysticism of the "Force", as well as ruin the story. Instead of striving to be better, to be one with the Force, now it's all about biology which is entirely beyond your control. A higher Meticlorian score means you will be more powerful in the Force than someone with a lower score. Which completely destroys the story arc that was so compelling in the original trilogy, and one that could have helped save the prequels.


RE: The pain is worse
By Lord 666 on 3/8/2013 6:29:05 PM , Rating: 2
You are forgetting three major things young padawan;

1. Leigh is never as strong with the force as Luke; 4-6 and in the books.

2. It was never explained who was anakin's father. Sure, speculation was Palpatine knocked up that slave, but the force could have so too.

3. In 4-6 and again in 3, the dead are able to communicate with the living.


RE: The pain is worse
By Reclaimer77 on 3/8/2013 6:51:24 PM , Rating: 4
No, just stop.

quote:
1. Leigh is never as strong with the force as Luke; 4-6 and in the books.


She was barely force sensitive in the movies. Also in the books she was raising a family AND running the New Republic. You can't really be one with the Force while having that much going on the side. But the books aren't canon anyway soooo....

quote:
2. It was never explained who was anakin's father.


Because it's not important. It's not even interesting to the story. And the whole "immaculate conception" plot line was so bizarre and without payoff, it's obvious Lucas just put in there because (he thought) it sounded "cool".

quote:
3. In 4-6 and again in 3, the dead are able to communicate with the living.


How am I "forgetting" this? In my mind this is more evidence for how the Force was obviously spiritual, not biological. Once your body dies, the Mediclorians die too. So how could you exist as a spirit and speak to the living again?

Lucas just didn't think this crap through. He's incompetent as a screenwriter and he sucks as a director. "Midiclorians" is a horrible plot device that takes away SO much from the story, and amazingly, adds nothing. NOTHING!!


RE: The pain is worse
By Lord 666 on 3/8/2013 7:07:47 PM , Rating: 2
You and I agree on all three points and assuming more on this topic.

I always thought the Midiclorians was an "elitist" explanation of the Force by the Old Republic. In other words, they were a side effect to being Force strong versus the actual reason, but the Jedi council were too to full of themselves to see that.


RE: The pain is worse
By BillyBatson on 3/8/2013 9:22:15 PM , Rating: 3
I may not agree with reclaimer much but on this subject very single thing he's written is 110% correct with no room for interpretation. George Lucas IS a hack. He didn't write most of episodes 4 and 5 but did 6 where he wrote in a bunch of ewoks saving the universe "ROFLMFAO". He hiked th series by altering the original movies when they made the DVD box set, when he himself wrote episodes 1-3, when he created jarjar binks, when he came up with metachlorians, etc etc ETC. The 2 best things Lucas has done for the series is pitch the original idea to studios and selling the series. May he burn in hell with all his money.
Preach on reclaimer77, you're completely right.


RE: The pain is worse
By JediJeb on 3/9/2013 5:41:47 PM , Rating: 2
There was a story out back when they released Ep6 that it was originally supposed to take place on Kashyyyk and there was an army of Wookies instead of Ewoks. Came down to the problem of logistics of making an army of Wookies versus making a tribe of Ewoks.


RE: The pain is worse
By FITCamaro on 3/8/2013 11:10:03 PM , Rating: 2
Leia eventually does become a Master. Not as good as Luke but that's because she hadn't practiced as much.

Also just because they're twins doesn't mean they're as powerful as one another.

Honestly I don't really want to see more because they'll just trash the awesome story lines of the books even more. I'd much rather see a long term, non-cartoony animated show that just follows the plot lines of the books.


RE: The pain is worse
By bodar on 3/8/2013 7:15:25 PM , Rating: 2
Again, the prequels, flawed as they may be, do NOT claim that Midichlorians == The Force. They are what allow people to exert control over the Force's energy field. If being a Jedi was ONLY about becoming close to the Force, then why would Obiwan say that "that boy is our last hope." To which Yoda responds, "No, there is another." What makes the Skywalkers so friggin special, if not their genetics??? It's simple logic.


RE: The pain is worse
By Reclaimer77 on 3/8/2013 7:29:46 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
They are what allow people to exert control over the Force's energy field.


But how is that more interesting that way? Do you not understand how destroying the mysticism of the Force by boiling it down to simply biology and nothing more, is just bad BAD story telling?

It seems George decided that because Star Wars is science fiction, the force needed a scientific reason behind it. Hey George, you were wrong. The Force was an effective plot device specifically because it brought mysticism to a world that was pure science. As any magician knows, once you explain how the trick works, the magic is gone. Some things are better left not explained!

Look I understand there are people out there who saw the Prequels when they were kids, just as I saw the originals as a kid, and love them and want to defend them. I get that. But that doesn't make them good.


RE: The pain is worse
By MrBlastman on 3/8/2013 8:06:31 PM , Rating: 2
Precisely. Good Science Fiction doesn't explain everything--but explains quite a bit. Sometimes plot devices like the Force are better left to mystery and imagination.


RE: The pain is worse
By superstition on 3/13/2013 3:34:46 PM , Rating: 2
No, science fiction is about explaining things, with science.

Fantasy doesn't explain things with anything beyond mysticism.

What you're looking for is the fantasy genre.


RE: The pain is worse
By bodar on 3/8/2013 8:37:50 PM , Rating: 2
I guess I just believe that explaining a mechanism behind who can use the Force and who cannot, really doesn't change the fact that there's still a mystical energy field spanning the entire galaxy and people have learned to harness it through meditation and other mental and physical exercises in ways that have nothing to do with science. That's not cool enough? It's not like there's a Force pill or a Jedi implant package.

I guess anything is more interesting if you can apply your own interpretation to it. I just don't see why it's such a deal-breaker for people.


RE: The pain is worse
By Reclaimer77 on 3/8/2013 9:29:07 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I just don't see why it's such a deal-breaker for people.


Because you don't want to listen. There have been many many attempts to explain why adding Midichlorians was a stupid thing to do. If you don't want to hear the other side, then what's the point?

If there was a payoff later on in the story, at least I could understand it. However it never came back into the storyline at all later for a big payoff. But it was haphazardly thrown in, almost like a point of exposition for the audience. Except I don't know ANYONE who watched the original trilogy and actually needed an explanation of what the Force was and how people used it.

I think it's pretty obvious that, despite his "mediclorian" count, Luke Skywalker would have NEVER used the Force or became a Jedi had he not met Ben Kenobi and made a choice to fulfill his destiny. And THAT'S what makes the storytelling so superior to the prequels!

Here let me give you a visual aid to try and explain how "Mediclorians" change the ENTIRE subtext of the story arc

Original:
Luke: "You know, I did feel something. I could almost see the remote."
Obi-Wan: "That's good. You have taken your first step into a larger world."

After Medichlorians:
Luke: "You know, I did feel something. I could almost see the remote."
Obi-Wan: "That's good. You must have a high enough Medichlorian count to channel the Force. Sorry if you thought you were special, but it's simple biology."


RE: The pain is worse
By Fritzr on 3/8/13, Rating: 0
RE: The pain is worse
By Reclaimer77 on 3/9/2013 8:21:25 AM , Rating: 3
Stop. Stop with this need to be an apologist and explain away the stupidity of adding Midichlorians to the Star Wars mythos. I simply will not entertain these thoughts.

quote:
To be "strong" in the force requires that the biological be strong. Faith is not enough...you must also have ability.


Siiigh, and this right here RUINS The Force and Jedi. This goes against everything we learned in the original movies. Physical ability? Strong biology?

"Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not."
-Yoda-

Of course the prequels ruin Yoda as well by having him light saber fight and do combat with people stronger and physically superior to him, when he should be ABOVE those things entirely. But I digress.


RE: The pain is worse
By FaaR on 3/9/2013 3:03:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If there was a payoff later on in the story, at least I could understand it. However it never came back into the storyline at all later for a big payoff. But it was haphazardly thrown in, almost like a point of exposition for the audience.

The only point of midichlorians appear to be to somehow help explain how a six-year-old kid can be a renaissance man at basically everything. Oh, and also establish that the old republic was more scientifically developed and advanced than the empire that followed, having discovered what the force is and how it works. I suspect that's why everything is shiny in the prequels (except on Tatooine), whereas in the original trilogy everything's worn and dirty; merely a device to try and show how corrupt the empire is. The "worn universe" of the old movies worked better though because that's how the real world looks. Walk through central London for example, the buildings are dirty as hell, statues are slowly crumbling, old masonry is chipped and cracked and so on.

...Of course there not being any real sets to speak of means everything is computer graphics, and making things dirty with computers is difficult, so that's another reason too.

Regardless of Lucas' reasons though, it was a bad idea to invent midichlorians. Heck, even episodes 5 and 6 backed away from the actual mysticist aspect of the force, maybe to "not create controversy" I dunno; remember that Tarkin says to Vader in A New Hope that he is all that remains of the jedi's religion . When was that ever expanded upon later - never. And Tarkin's obviously older than Vader, he was around when there still were jedi and a republic so he wouldn't have made such a nooby mistake, confusing the jedi order with a religious institution if that hadn't been the case. Yet Lucas dropped that aspect after the first movie - unfortunately, because it was mystical, and mysterious and thus cool.


RE: The pain is worse
By Reclaimer77 on 3/10/2013 5:07:43 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Regardless of Lucas' reasons though, it was a bad idea to invent midichlorians. Heck, even episodes 5 and 6 backed away from the actual mysticist aspect of the force, maybe to "not create controversy" I dunno


I guess. I think there was just a lot more story involved in the originals, and there wasn't time for all that nonsense.

Watching the Prequels, it feels like the viewer is being bombarded by hours of worthless filler of people sitting down doing nothing and discussing space taxes space politics space cloning space laws and really REALLY unconvincing space love. It's just SO goddamn boring and is one big plot convenience. It's painful to sit through.

I just cannot imagine how shitty the originals would be if half the scenes were THAT pointless, anemic and self-serving.

quote:
...Of course there not being any real sets to speak of means everything is computer graphics, and making things dirty with computers is difficult, so that's another reason too.


Another reason why Prequels in the "modern style" shouldn't be done. I hate them. Take Prometheus for example. It's set years before the original Alien, but the sets and stylistic theme they went with looked about 300 years more advanced! It was more akin to Star Trek. They didn't even TRY to make it fit in the same Alien universe.

But we're just a big dumb audience, so we're supposed to be wowed and awed by the spectacle and presentation of it all. Not how freaking shallow and poorly done it was, like almost everything today.


RE: The pain is worse
By retrospooty on 3/11/2013 7:57:51 AM , Rating: 2
NERD FIGHT!

It's always fun to read through a thread you missed about a sci fi show/movie where people get all pissed off... LOL.

Really though, try not to take it all so seriously. It's supposed to be entertainment. Lucas had highs and lows. He was great at the overall story, the universe, the history, but he was just freegin aweful at the screenplay, script and details. It is what it is and its not going to change. I just hope Lucas' involvement in the new ones is limited to direction, history, and advice and NOT screenplay/script.


RE: The pain is worse
By FaaR on 3/11/2013 8:34:49 AM , Rating: 2
The ship in Prometheus was a top of the line corporate yacht type of dealie, no wonder it looks slick. The ship from Alien was a run-down freighter crewed by blue-collar worker dregs that had probably been steaming around the galaxy for decades. That's the least of the problems with that movie, there's other logic and plot holes you could easily sail an aircraft carrier through...


RE: The pain is worse
By Reclaimer77 on 3/11/2013 5:25:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The ship in Prometheus was a top of the line corporate yacht type of dealie, no wonder it looks slick.


Dude in the original Aliens movies cockpit designs are more akin to WWII fighters. Their "displays" were small CRT monitors with monochrome text for god sakes.

In Prometheus we see holographic projector displays, 10 million color LCD's with multi-touch! I mean come on, that gigantic gap in features can't be explained away by saying "oh well that ship was a corporate yacht.

quote:
That's the least of the problems with that movie


Well I agree but that wasn't the context of the discussion. I wasn't posting a Prometheus review, after all.


RE: The pain is worse
By bodar on 3/8/2013 8:05:45 PM , Rating: 2
OK, I guess one could argue that Yoda knew (foresaw?) that the only people Vader wouldn't kill were his kids and THAT'S why they needed a Skywalker. Also, Obiwan is just sexist.


RE: The pain is worse
By johnsmith9875 on 3/14/2013 11:43:29 AM , Rating: 2
Midichlorians sounds too much like Thetans to me.
Maybe Lucas is a Scientologist and is pushing his junk religion on us all.


RE: The pain is worse
By PresidentThomasJefferson on 3/8/2013 9:50:40 PM , Rating: 2
Lucas has said that he based the Force on "chi" & Jedi knights on Buddhist warrior monks ..and the philosophy of the Jedi on Buddhism

Chi is the 'life force' of all living things in Asian culture/philosophy.

There are many ways of cultivating & increasing your chi, which include meditation & Buddhist philosophy of not becoming attached to material things.

It is about controlling your mind as well as controlling your body -which is taught in Asian martial arts & why it was taught that by cultivating your chi enough, you could levitate.


RE: The pain is worse
By Manch on 3/11/2013 7:44:31 AM , Rating: 2
I always add extra chi into my morning coffee...


RE: The pain is worse
By Director12 on 3/8/2013 3:51:46 PM , Rating: 2
I also read that Lawrence Kasden (ESB) will be back as well...so if they do it right it could be OK. If they go for the vacuous money grab (more likely ) then it could be horrible. The funny thing is that is they did make a movie with a plot, some intelligent dialogue aimed at an audience at over 5 year olds they'd make a bucket load anyway.

I'm hoping I can even forget the 'prequels' altogether, although they did spawn Plinkets Star Wars reviews which I have watched many more times than the movies themselves. Check them out.


RE: The pain is worse
By superkev72 on 3/8/2013 4:41:15 PM , Rating: 2
I totally disagree. The original cast will add a lot. Of course there will be new 'heroes' but connecting the old and the new is essential in this case. The disastrous and horrible money grabs Lucas provided after the original with such badly produced homages to the original just angered everyone. It is very difficult to 'recreate' that magic the originals had at this point and the only way to do that is with the original cast together with some new heroes. Star Trek Generations tried to do it badly but I think J J Abrams is probably the best talent to actually pull it off. Also Disney did a great job with the Avengers so hope springs eternal for the Star Wars VII.


RE: The pain is worse
By javiergf on 3/8/2013 6:57:42 PM , Rating: 5
I got a bad feeling about this...


RE: The pain is worse
By geddarkstorm on 3/8/2013 8:35:37 PM , Rating: 3
Never tell me the odds.


RE: The pain is worse
By Solandri on 3/9/2013 6:35:36 PM , Rating: 2
Hokey memories and ancient actors are no match for a good plot in your script, kid.


RE: The pain is worse
By johnsmith9875 on 3/14/2013 11:44:51 AM , Rating: 2
Gooood! Feel the butthurt flow through you!


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