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No V8 for European Mustangs?

Any Mustang enthusiast is likely to have both fond and not so fond memories of previous generation Mustangs when a four-cylinder engine option was available. That anemic four-cylinder that hid under the hood of so many Fox body Mustangs over the years was enough to make enthusiasts cry.
 
However, Ford has made no apologies for moving the “global” 2015 Mustang to a new platform that will offer more efficient engines across the board -- the all-new Mustang will also ditch the live rear axle in favor of an independent rear suspension. We know that the muscular 5.0-liter V8 engine will soldier on in the United States. In addition, rumors continue to swirl that there will be an EcoBoost V-6 engine option available.


2013 Mustang GT

Word has now surfaced that while Europeans will be able to purchase the 2015 Ford Mustang with a turbocharged 2.3-liter EcoBoost four-cylinder engine. While Edmunds doesn't specify this fact, on a recent episode of the hit UK television show Top Gear the hosts said that only the four-cylinder engine would be available for European buyers.

Edmunds reports that the four-cylinder that will be under the hood of the Mustang in Europe will be based on the 2.0-liter engine featured in the 2013 Focus ST. In the Focus ST, the turbocharged four-cylinder produced 252 hp. In the Mustang, the 2.3-liter engine will produce around 300 hp according to company insiders.

Ford has remained quiet on pricing for the Mustang in Europe and the vehicle is expected to be a low-volume specialty car within Europe.

Source: Edmunds



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RE: Out with the new, in with the old.
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 3/7/2013 10:36:50 AM , Rating: 5
I believe that Europeans are taxed on engine displacement, so the smaller the better. That's why you see a lot of 2.0-liter and below turbo'd engines.


RE: Out with the new, in with the old.
By HaB1971 on 3/7/2013 11:00:57 AM , Rating: 2
In the UK you are taxed (yearly road tax) on Carbon emissions


RE: Out with the new, in with the old.
By dubldwn on 3/7/2013 12:17:51 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah I just took a quick glance at this and it seems the key metric in Europe is CO2 emissions as it relates to car registration.


RE: Out with the new, in with the old.
By Dr of crap on 3/7/2013 12:30:30 PM , Rating: 2
OK, but...
The way I uderstand it is that European diesel engines can't be sold here because of tighter US emmision standards. So if they have a ton more diesels over there and their emmitting more from their engines I'm not getting it.


RE: Out with the new, in with the old.
By praeses on 3/7/2013 2:09:49 PM , Rating: 2
The diesel in the US is currently dirtier than in Europe so to compensate the same engine has to be fitted with more emission control systems, resulting in lower fuel economy. This becomes less desirable than the gas counterpart from the both the manufacturer's and buyer's point of view (higher cost, lower fuel economy) than in Europe.

It's the reverse of the low sulfur diesel of decades ago. The burden needs to be shifted back onto the refineries and off the automotive manufacturers again (which will drive up the cost of diesel slightly). It will happen, but will take time, and also yes, emission standards are measured against different metrics too.


RE: Out with the new, in with the old.
By e36Jeff on 3/7/2013 3:28:46 PM , Rating: 2
That is actually not true since about 2008. The max sulpher content (the main cause of pollutants in diesel) in US diesel is currently at 15ppm, in the EU, it is 50ppm. To be fair, it is mandated that there is 10ppm sulpher or lower diesel fuel avaliable in the EU, but their max allowable is higher.

As for the emmissions laws, again, the US is far stricter than the EU. NOx limits in the US are 0.05g per mile, in the EU they are 0.40g per mile, or 8x higher than the US regulations.

Up until fairly recently, you were correct on all accounts, the US regulations were far more lax than the EU regs, but the US has taken massive steps in curbing emmissions from Diesel engines over the last 5 years.


By Spuke on 3/7/2013 4:34:02 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
That is actually not true since about 2008.
Thanks much for this info. Good stuff.


By praeses on 3/8/2013 12:02:03 AM , Rating: 2
Good to know, and I'm definitely behind the times.

Thanks.


By JediJeb on 3/8/2013 7:49:19 PM , Rating: 2
The very low sulfur in US diesel was one reason that many Euro car companies halted US sales for a few years because there was some kind of problem with them running of diesel with such a low sulfur content. Not sure if it was emissions or engine damage though but it caused the owner at my work to have to wait a year for her new diesel Mercedes a few years ago.


RE: Out with the new, in with the old.
By theapparition on 3/7/2013 11:02:08 AM , Rating: 2
That's 100% correct.

It's a ridiculous registration tax. A 8L engine that actually gets better fuel economy than a 2L engine would also pay significantly more in tax. But that's typical Euro thinking.

The difference in engine size can cost thousands of euros a year, depending on the country. So it's a big deal.

But I honestly don't know why they don't use the same configuration here in the states. Would anyone really care between a 300ho 6cyl or 300hp 4cly turbo, as long as the V8 was still offered?


By silverblue on 3/7/2013 1:12:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's a ridiculous registration tax. A 8L engine that actually gets better fuel economy than a 2L engine would also pay significantly more in tax. But that's typical Euro thinking.

Tax here in the UK is based on CO2 emissions, so if your big 8L managed to drink less than a 2L car, I don't see why it'd cost more to tax. Insurance, however, is a totally different kettle of fish.

Taxing based on CO2 emissions can only go so far. An exhaust spits out more than just that particular nasty, especially with respect to diesels. Despite the health risks, diesels are more prevalent over here (in the UK where diesel fuel is actually more expensive than petrol - a rare exception in Europe - diesels are still very popular, with some models rated well over 80mpg (I)) and it's cheaper to tax them as they produce comparatively less CO2 than a similar petrol engine. That's not going to change until either petrol becomes notably cheaper than diesel or diesels get taxed on NOx.


RE: Out with the new, in with the old.
By JediJeb on 3/8/2013 7:54:20 PM , Rating: 2
For me the lower the rpm at which an engine achieves maximum torque matters much more than what it's high rpm max hp is. I really hate hearing those little I4s reving up to the limits as people try to take off quickly at the lights. Sound like they are going to fly apart lol. The I6 4.9L in my truck, I rarely get it over 3000rpm, and that is only if I am merging onto the interstate, which I may drive on twice a year.


By NA1NSXR on 3/9/2013 1:23:39 AM , Rating: 2
You don't like racing cars? You don't like a cutting edge tech, supreme quality motor that can operate at high RPM to deliver as much power in as small of a footprint as possible? Without the weight, heat, and retardation of throttle response from FI?


By hughlle on 3/7/2013 11:04:51 AM , Rating: 2
I can't speak for Europe, but in the UK, the type of engine will dramatically alter the insurance for the car, which even for a 1.6L engine is generally a fair chunk of money, it also changes the amount you pay for your road tax, for example my 1.2L car costs £130 a year or so for road tax, a range rover would cost around £900 odd per year. You then have to take into account the petrol. We are currently paying upto £1.45 per litre of fuel. Most people who can afford or jsutify a big engined car either go for the likes of an aston martin, range rover, or something like an M5 or RS5 etc. In the UK it seems that european brands are often favoured over american brands. I have seen countless exotic cars in the UK, but never seen a single mustang, and only 1 corvette to date.


By smilingcrow on 3/7/2013 4:38:06 PM , Rating: 2
“I believe that Europeans are taxed on engine displacement, so the smaller the better. That's why you see a lot of 2.0-liter and below turbo'd engines.”

In the UK employees using a company car had a tax liability for this perk and that was based on engine size back in the day; not sure these days. It used to be a tax free perk and was then increasingly taxed until it possibly became of marginal if any value.

As for any EU mandate I suspect it will be based on volumes of cars sold. You can’t release a gas guzzling car that sells in the hundreds of thousands and offset that with a very frugal model that sells in the hundreds. They can’t be that stupid, surely?


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