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Google is not impressed

Google has no problem with telling it like it is. Yesterday, the Android maker said Motorola isn't creating good enough mobile products for its popular operating system.

Patrick Pichette, Google's chief financial officer and senior vice president, told an audience at the Morgan Stanley Technology Conference that Motorola isn't up to par with Google's expectations of a hardware maker.

"[Motorola's pipeline are] not really to the standards that what Google would say is wow -- innovative, transformative," said Pichette. "We've inherited 18 months of pipeline that we actually have to drain right now, while we're actually building the next wave of innovation and product lines."

So far, a few Motorola releases for Android include the Droid RAZR Maxx HD and the Droid RAZR M. While these phones aren't half bad, Google said customers want more.

Pichette also made mention that Google's relationship with Samsung, its No. 1 hardware maker, is "terrific" despite recent rumors. In fact, the Samsung Galaxy S IV with the Android operating system is due to be announced March 14.

Source: The Verge

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RE: just another
By KiwiTT on 3/1/2013 2:50:49 PM , Rating: -1

Which is why choose an iPhone 5. Every one of the Android phones are much of a muchness and supported for a few months or a year at best (by manufacturer and then carrier). At least with an iPhone, I am assured of getting regular software updates and security fixes for around 3 years (albeit with not all new features supported, because the hardware is not in the phone) directly to my handset.

It might not be as big as the Android flagships, but it does what is does very well. Looks after its user and is easy to use.

RE: just another
By xti on 3/1/2013 2:54:36 PM , Rating: 4
Tony is getting laxed on team iphone recruits.

RE: just another
By Tequilasunriser on 3/1/2013 3:46:22 PM , Rating: 5
All reason you listed for getting an iPhone are the same reason people get Nexus phones.

The added bonus being a low off contract price and pentaband radio so it can be taken to any GSM carrier.

Ironically, consumers are losing interest in iPhones because they're not innovating enough. Very few 4S owners saw a reason to upgrade to the 5. The general public was largely disappointed.

RE: just another
By TakinYourPoints on 3/1/2013 10:39:35 PM , Rating: 1
Why would a 4S owner upgrade to an iPhone 5 in a year? That doesn't make sense for 99% of users out there, not the way that contracts work. Holding onto a phone for two years makes much more sense, that's what I always do.

As for losing interest, reality doesn't point that way. iPhone sales continue to accelerate, it sells more than other high end smartphones, and online usage metrics are well over double that of the slightly older and also popular GS3.

RE: just another
By markt902 on 3/2/2013 6:20:41 PM , Rating: 2
The only reason why the web usage on an iPhone is higher is because you cannot easily use a different user agent. You're essentially forced into viewing the mobile version of a website. Chrome for Android is the first browser I've seen on Android that doesn't allow you to easily change the user agent. I've been using a mobile, or tablet UA since 2010 on all of my Android phones. 90% of the time I hate using the crippled mobile version of websites, and because of that I either use a tablet, or Chrome desktop UA. Plus, you can easily install ad block on Android devices, and that skews analytics even more. I own an iPhone 4s, and without jailbreak, I personally cannot stand using it.

RE: just another
By TakinYourPoints on 3/4/2013 9:24:12 AM , Rating: 2
Traffic can be determined by mobile operating system, forget mobile browser, and it is still mainly iOS. Hell, analytics can determine the exact type of device being use.

Web usage on iOS is higher because it sells much larger numbers than devices like the GS3, Droid DNA, Nexus 4, etc etc. Again, the main reason comes down to so many Android devices out there not being what we consider to be high-end smartphones.

RE: just another
By markt902 on 3/5/2013 4:52:09 AM , Rating: 2
You're wrong, and if you include the entire world, Apple isn't even close. Just take a look at iPhone usage in China, for example. I don't want Android to dominate, because in the long run it's not good for consumers, and my iPhone 4s is a pretty nice device. I realize their are many methods of determining device usage, but many tend to be by user agent.

Regardless of what browser market share statistics say, which are mostly compiled by user agent, you simply cannot say that the iPhone dominates the US market.

Also, the data from Chitika is unreliable at best. They don't divulge how they are compiling their data, and once again adblock is on Android is a thing.

RE: just another
By Reclaimer77 on 3/2/2013 6:24:31 PM , Rating: 2
Except the numbers show you're in the minority. Most people trade up after 15 months I believe.

RE: just another
By mcnabney on 3/3/2013 1:26:20 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, no.

That would be an 'average'. Upgrade eligibility for contracts is 20 months. The fanbois upgrade every 12 months and others upgrade every two years to avoid ETFs or paying full retail. The Fanbois are dumb enough to pay $650+ for a device.

RE: just another
By Reclaimer77 on 3/3/2013 1:34:00 PM , Rating: 2
The upgrade fee is $35 on my carriers and you aren't subject to an ETF if you're staying with them, obviously.

RE: just another
By crimson117 on 3/4/2013 12:00:26 PM , Rating: 2
Smart "fanbois" buy an unlocked phone when it comes out for $650, then a year later sell that unlocked phone for $500 on ebay, and spend another $150 to get the newest model.

RE: just another
By TakinYourPoints on 3/4/2013 9:31:50 AM , Rating: 2
That's an average figure skewed by people who buy lower end phones unsubsidized without a contract.

People in two year contracts that subsidize one expensive phone per period (ie - iPhone, Droid DNA, GS3) generally don't spend more than they have to so that they can make annual upgrades. Two year upgrades with high end smartphones are extremely common.

Some people might upgrade more often, but that is a statistically insignificant number compared to the hundreds of millions of people who don't.

RE: just another
By GulWestfale on 3/1/2013 4:11:48 PM , Rating: 2
with android you do have a choice of sizes, cpu spec, and battery sizes. with apple you get none of that. what you did is choose a mid-range phone with outdated features and an outdated OS, but paid a premium price for it.

RE: just another
By TakinYourPoints on 3/1/2013 10:35:49 PM , Rating: 2
With iOS you have one choice but it is hardly low end. The iPhone 5 has among fastest hardware, one of the highest quality screens (HTC also does very well), and excellent battery life (double the wifi and LTE browse time of a GS3). All this combined with stability, OS updates, and the best third party developer support out there.

You have fewer choices with iOS, certainly, but its all in the high end. Android gives you lots more choices in the mid-range and low end, and of course they give you choices with giant phones and phablets.

RE: just another
By cruisin3style on 3/2/2013 4:57:11 PM , Rating: 2
Battery life is very dependant on the time the screen is on with large screened phones. I have the verizon galaxy nexus and the screen is ALWAYS the largest battery user, often using at least 50% of it according to the battery use statistics.

I'm not surprised if the 4" iphone5 has something like double the 4.8" galaxy s3's browsing battery life...the 4.8" screen gives the gs3 44% larger screen area

RE: just another
By markt902 on 3/2/2013 6:47:34 PM , Rating: 2
The AMOLED panels in the GS3, and Galaxy Nexus consume a lot of power, especially when you need to view anything that's white. LCD panels are a lot more energy efficient, but the viewing angles and black levels, compared to AMOLED, are very poor. I have a Galaxy Nexus, US SGS3, HTC One X, iPhone 4s, and a Nexus 4 in my possession right now. When I'm using inverted applications on my GS3, or Galaxy Nexus, the screen time is a lot better. I can achieve about 4 hours of screen time with my GS3, while on WiFi, and about 6.5 hours of screen time on my Nexus 4 (WiFi only.)

Regardless of what "objective" display reviews say, I still prefer AMOLED panels. You simply cannot beat the viewing angles, and black levels. The black levels on my Nexus 4 are among the best on any LCD, but the viewing angles just aren't up to par. I'm using Franco kernel on my Nexus 4 with calibrated gamma settings, and the display is extremely sharp, and accurate, but the viewing angles, and black levels are just disappointing. The same applies with the iPhone 5. I'd really like to see an objective analysis between the iPhone 5, and a calibrated Nexus 4 display. There is a guy on XDA who says his personally calibrated Nexus 4 is the most color accurate display in a smart phone. I'm using his gamma settings, and can agree that the colors are amazing.

Anyway, I've been spoiled by AMOLED blacks, and honestly I don't mind the battery hit. I really hope the SGS4 ends up having an AMOLED panel.

RE: just another
By TakinYourPoints on 3/4/2013 9:26:34 AM , Rating: 1
I really hope the SGS4 ends up having an AMOLED panel.

Add good color calibration and good text rendering to that list. The GS3 has a surprisingly bad display, especially for a device as expensive as it is. It doesn't surprise me why Google went to LG instead of Samsung for the Nexus 4.

RE: just another
By rocketbuddha on 3/4/2013 1:03:04 PM , Rating: 2
I too was not wowed by the SAMOLED display in the SIII. One of my colleagues bought the Verizon S3 just as VZ did away with un-limited data plan for upgrades. It did not even stick out on the eyes when compared to the SLCD2 in the One X series.

I had assumed that it is more due to the Pentile nature vs. RGB rather than AMOLED vs. LCD. I thought GN-II which had both SAMOLED and RGB would be more pleasing on eyes.

RE: just another
By TakinYourPoints on 3/4/2013 9:36:39 AM , Rating: 2
Battery life is very dependant on the time the screen is on with large screened phones.

Except that the tests I mentioned specifically have to do with LTE and wifi browse time. The GS3 did fine in other tests like talk time and video playback.

It has to do with the iPhone 5 using newer and much more power efficient 28nm Qualcomm LTE chips. Very simple. Had the iPhone 4S gotten LTE then you'd be seeing a similar 4 hour battery life instead for 8. That would have been a huge downgrade in battery life from the prior iPhone, so they waited until the tech got better.

Control of the entire hardware/software stack also has a lot to do with it. You can optimize the hell out of everything when you have complete control over the OS and the SoC.

RE: just another
By MadMan007 on 3/1/2013 5:29:32 PM , Rating: 5
Wait, you're saying you chose an iPhone partly because Android phones are 'all the same'? The only way iPhones are not all the same is if you get one released a year later.

RE: just another
By KiwiTT on 3/2/2013 7:14:37 PM , Rating: 2
No ... I want to get security updates for at least 3 years. Only the Nexus range is likely to offer that, but that only managed 2 years at best. In NZ, we have to pay full price for our handsets, unless we want to have an expensive plan like $120 per month. So spending $1,000+, I want to have the certainty of knowing the phone I buy will be supported in 3 years time.

RE: just another
By markt902 on 3/2/2013 8:02:07 PM , Rating: 2
Hell, if I were in NZ, I'd be buying a Xiaomi MI-2 for around $300-450. MIUI v5 looks really cool, the phone has great support and updates are provided weekly.

Regardless of where you live, $1000+ for a smartphone is just asinine. In the US, there is truly no reason to buy phones on contract anymore. Unless you want to waste your money on Verizon or AT&T's LTE.

Furthermore, almost all major devices are supported by devs on XDA. My dad's HTC EVO 4G supports CM10 (4.1.2), and that phone is almost 3 years old. He doesn't want to upgrade his device, because he's content with what he has.

If ROMs aren't your thing, I completely understand, but paying that much for a phone is just ridiculous. You may want to import phones from the US, or start buying decent Chinese phones from brands like Xiaomi or Oppo. I sell a lot of stuff on eBay, and shipping a smartphone to NZ would cost me $14.50.

I'm looking at the prices on, and I cannot believe how badly carriers are blasting you in the ass. And I thought we were getting screwed here in the US. Either way, you cannot go wrong with that MI-2, and I'm sure that one of the resellers will ship to NZ.

RE: just another
By KiwiTT on 3/3/2013 12:22:14 AM , Rating: 2
You should see what we pay for cars. An new MX-5 costs over $60,000

RE: just another
By eldakka on 3/3/2013 9:18:27 PM , Rating: 2
I don't know where you are getting your phones from...

I'm in Australia and I bought an unlocked Galaxy S3 32GB from dwi (Digital World International) July/August last year for about ~AU$650 delivered.

RE: just another
By KiwiTT on 3/3/2013 11:28:29 PM , Rating: 2
The S3 cost NZ$999 when it was released here. It is now being discounted because the S4 is due soon.

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