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He envisions playing PS4 games on all his devices, with the main experience on the big screen and smaller sections on mobile screens

Sony's PlayStation 4 event last week shed some light on the new console, but also left many questions unanswered. But a Sony exec recently sat down with The Guardian to fill in some of the gaps.

Shuhei Yoshida, Sony's head of worldwide studios who helped with the development of the PS4, talked about the PS4's role in the console ecosystem, the relevance of consoles in an increasingly mobile world and why Sony didn't produce hardware at last week's event.

According to Yoshida, the PS4 will be all about connectivity. This means that social aspects will be included in the gaming process through one simple application download, where users with iOS and Android devices can easily connect. Having access to the PS4 from anywhere on any device can help in other areas of gaming too, such as downloading a large, 50GB game. If one were to do this at home, it would take hours before the gamer could actually play. But if they connected to PS4 while still at work and started the download then, it will be ready for them once they arrive.

"In a couple of years I'd like to be playing PS4 games on all my devices, with the main experience on the big screen, and smaller sections on mobile screens… It will all be connected," said Yoshida.


While mobile devices can help create a connected environment for the console, it's a growing popular belief that the console doesn't even need to be apart of it since gaming, social networking, etc. can be accessed on the mobile devices themselves -- on the go. Yoshida said consoles still play a major role in gaming as long as the console is better than the tablet, smartphone, etc. as far as gameplay and graphics.

"Seriously, unless we show something unique and amazing, consumers won't be interested in dedicated hardware because they can play on devices they already own,” said Yoshida. “So if the experience on PS4 is not greater than tablet, why bother? It's our responsibility to provide that, with the hardware and system features as well as game development."

Yoshida said Sony is definitely working on gameplay for PS4 by offering titles beyond just driving and shooting games (which still dominate the console) and then offering titles of interest to the gamers based on past preferences.

Games are definitely a huge part of PS4, but there was one burning question that many gamers had on their minds after the PS4 event: where's the console?

"We have not finalised the hardware yet and decided not to try to get it finished in time," said Yoshida. "Also, it's a long time from February to launch, we have to design our communication in phases. Our focus here was to show some games and talk about the key principles – we wanted to save the unveiling of the actual console."

Sony announced last week that the PS4 would launch in November of this year for a starting price of $429.

Source: The Guardian



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RE: Good starting price
By txDrum on 2/26/2013 1:50:03 PM , Rating: 2
In some sense, consoles still have a very large value attraction. The average consumer still buys prebuilts - even gamers. Where I think Sony (and xbox) should excel are with the family or young gamers who don't have the money for an expensive rig, AND do not know or want to mess with building their own computer. Almost every gaming enthusiast nowadays will be rocking out on their own self-built hardware (at least I hope so. Building a computer is literally so easy that I've seen a five year old do it).

However, a 430$ prebuilt probably comes with 4GB Ram, a shitty mobo and PSU, and a dual core ivy bridge. For the budget family who wants a gaming machine for their kid, but doesn't want to risk building a computer, the PS4 could be a very nice thing.

Personally, I can't/won't get one because I'm a SC2 player in college on a reasonably competitive CSL team. I would never have time to play other games XD.


RE: Good starting price
By augiem on 2/26/2013 2:55:10 PM , Rating: 1
There are a lot of places that will build you a custom computer for a very small fee if you don't want to do it yourself. If you're buying a PC mainly as a game machine and you buy a prebuilt from BestBuy or Staples, you're just silly or lazy.

$558.87 PS4 competitor at Newegg and Amazon
AMD FX4100 : $104.99
Radeon 7850: $159.99
8GB HyperX RAM: $44.99
Gigabyte Mobo: $54.99
2 TB HD - $104.99
Case: $19.99
575W PS: $24.99
Microsoft Xbox 360 Wireless controller for Windows: $43.93 (Amazon)

The price of the above hardware is competitive with PS4. The 4-core CPU being a full desktop CPU is likely quite a bit faster than the 8-core Jaguar (Atom class) CPU in the PS4, and will run at a much higher clock speed. So to offset the price a bit I used a 7850 GPU which is slightly slower than what's supposed to be in the PS4. I haven't seen any hard drive configs for the PS4 but I doubt they'll offer a 2 TB drive. Because there's no need for a Blueray to deliver games, I just upped the HD and assume you're using this as a digital download game box. For $20 more you could downgrade the HD to 1TB and toss in a Blueray player.

Price with Windows 7 Home Premium OEM: $658.86

Notice I left out the OS. Yes, this is going to be a problem for the current gen. Steam is available on Linux now, but there are only about 120 games on it so far. If SteamBox launches this year, hopefully that will change. With the added cost of Windows though, the system is not quite a bit above the PS4's price range.

The prices here are retail prices too. Should Valve want to put a similar system together for SteamBox, they could do so for quite a bit less. In other words, Sony doesn't seem to be losing a whole lot on their hardware this time around. There's no killer deal here like there was back with the PS3, it being the cheapest Blueray player on the market that just happened to play games too.


RE: Good starting price
By augiem on 2/26/2013 2:57:45 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
the system is quite a bit above the PS4's price range


RE: Good starting price
By SPOOFE on 2/26/2013 3:38:36 PM , Rating: 3
Know your audience. Your entire post is preaching to the choir. People posting regularly to a tech site like this are well aware of both the How-tos as well as the relative cost/benefits of building one's own PC.

But to the average consumer, you lost them with the very first sentence. Lists of parts is a further deterrent. Worst of all, you mention Linux.

No, you're simply explaining why "people who understand and follow hardware" will always build their own PC's. It just simply is NOT an attractive option to the average gamer.


RE: Good starting price
By augiem on 2/26/2013 4:44:08 PM , Rating: 2
It's up to the retailers to make it easy enough for the "dumb" masses. My point was, there are companies that will build you PC's like this. I'm sure there are some pre-defined so you don't even have to pick out parts. You think those services are offered to technology geeks? I don't think so. The very fact they even have these pre-built and custom-piece-together services is for exactly the audience you are talking about. Why in heavens name would I pay someone #1 a markup on parts and #2 a service fee to put it together? Nope. They ARE for the masses. Maybe no retailer has been successful enough yet with selling the scheme, but that's not the point.

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No, you're simply explaining why "people who understand and follow hardware" will always build their own PC's. It just simply is NOT an attractive option to the average gamer.


Your post is even more useless than mine then since all you're doing is telling me how useless my post is. Awesome.


RE: Good starting price
By SPOOFE on 2/26/2013 6:45:30 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
It's up to the retailers to make it easy enough for the "dumb" masses.

I completely disagree. No matter how you cut it, there are a lot of variables that go into building a PC. Most PC's, for example, will never be used to play graphically demanding games. This versatility of the PC space is both a great virtue as well as a major sticking point.

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You think those services are offered to technology geeks?

I pretty much stated the opposite, so I don't know how this notion could have entered into your head.

quote:
Your post is even more useless than mine then since all you're doing is telling me how useless my post is.

OR I explained why it's not as simple and cut-and-dry as you suggest. Learn how to parse information and you'll have a lot less difficulty with basic communication, my hasty friend.


RE: Good starting price
By augiem on 2/26/2013 7:38:35 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's up to the retailers to make it easy enough for the "dumb" masses.

quote:
I completely disagree. No matter how you cut it, there are a lot of variables that go into building a PC.


You're clearly disagreeing just to disagree. Your entire previous post came from the perspective of the average consumer. You made the argument the average consumer will not go to the effort of building a PC. I then say the retailers must and have made PC purchasing easier for these users by offering pre-built systems and customized kits. Now you disagree and say the PC's variety of configuration options is a virtue. #1 You just disagreed with yourself if you now don't believe these "average" users benefit from having pre-defined choices built for them. "I completely disagree."

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OR I explained why it's not as simple and cut-and-dry as you suggest.


First of all, you explained nothing whatsoever, as I will show below. Second, I posted a custom-built PC with specs similar to the PS4. I also stated that the option for non-technical consumers to buy custom-built PC's and low-end pre-built gaming PCs is available by many retailers. You most certainly can by systems like this without much technical knowledge. That is cut and dry. You do not have to know how to install a CPU or Windows to get one these days.

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Learn how to parse information and you'll have a lot less difficulty with basic communication, my hasty friend.


I love it. Wrong, arrogant, and proud. Did you even read your own post? I read exactly what you wrote, which contains very little content whatsoever.

Let's re-read your post paragraph by paragraph:

quote:
Know your audience. Your entire post is preaching to the choir. People posting regularly to a tech site like this are well aware of both the How-tos as well as the relative cost/benefits of building one's own PC.


Paragraph 1:
"Your post is pointless because this is a tech site and we already know how to build PC's."

quote:
But to the average consumer, you lost them with the very first sentence. Lists of parts is a further deterrent. Worst of all, you mention Linux.


Paragraph 2:
"The average consumer is technologically uneducated and will not tolerate any level of complexity."

quote:
No, you're simply explaining why "people who understand and follow hardware" will always build their own PC's. It just simply is NOT an attractive option to the average gamer.


Paragraph 3:
"You have explained why readers of this site build their own PC's. The average consumer will never do so."

That's a wealth of information you've given me there. Explanations? Lots of explanation.

quote:
I pretty much stated the opposite, so I don't know how this notion could have entered into your head.


You stated nothing of the sort. You made no statement whatsoever about stores offering services of building customized PC's for the user. Point out to me the sentence where you mention anything about these store-offered services. It's not there. Re-read what you wrote yourself before you start making personal attacks and insults.


RE: Good starting price
By SPOOFE on 2/27/2013 5:03:53 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I'm not impressed by your ability to quote my own posts back at me to pad your post content, nor am I swayed by your attempt to conceal your complete lack of content under empty boasts and insecure verbiage.

Look at the numbers yourself and compare the shipments of boutique business vs. pre-made dirt-cheap PC's. Most people aren't interested in the things you mention. The fact is that most people buy the cheapest box and use it 'til it breaks and then they buy another one. The fact is that most people never seek graphics capability worth a damn. Your perception is skewed because you have some notion that you, and the people you regularly interact with in tech forums like this, are somehow representative of the average population. However, most people don't post to tech forums. Most people are not us.

These are simple facts. They are also fairly plain-faced assertions, despite your denial to the situation. You boldly announce how you're going to smash my assertions to pieces, but it's clear you don't even understand what my assertions are. They're pretty simple, because they're simply descriptions of the market, sales numbers, and other bits of hard data that anybody with any awareness of the tech world would have at least a passing familiarity with.

But by all means, feel free to quote my own words back to me and have a game of MST3K with 'em. It must be some sort of cathartic release on your part to spew so much ignorant bile in reaction to obvious reality. I don't know why your response to the obvious is so insecure and petty, but I do sincerely wish you all the best in overcoming your crippling character flaws. Have a nice day! :)


RE: Good starting price
By inighthawki on 2/26/2013 3:58:22 PM , Rating: 2
Unfortunately you cannot just get a bunch of specs that are "about equal" to a PS4 and call it comparable in performance. The hardware is custom designed, and highly optimized in the drivers and OS and will perform way better than a game designed on PC using the same specs. There are a number of huge optimizations that can be made because the hardware is identical on every device that cannot be made on PC.

Now I'm no console fanboy, I'm a hardcore PC gamer, but things like this are important to realize. You can get way more than trivial 3-5% performance gains from things like this. The hardware in the PS4 and xbox 720 may easily be able to achieve performance at a level equal to a 680 or 7970.


RE: Good starting price
By augiem on 2/26/2013 4:57:43 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The hardware is custom designed,


Hardly. This generation of hardware is much less so than the previous generation. They are taking existing designs and repackaging it for the needs of the company. Noting here was built from the ground up.

quote:
and will perform way better than a game designed on PC using the same specs.... The hardware in the PS4 and xbox 720 may easily be able to achieve performance at a level equal to a 680 or 7970


I'm sorry, you are simply not going to squeeze that much extra performance out of the silicon with optimized drivers. 7970 has 72% more memory bandwidth, 48% higher texel rate, and is roughly equal to CrossFire 7870 cards in most benchmarks. The PS4's GPU is suppsed to be closer to a 7850 than a 7870. What you WILL see is developers be able to make design decisions based on the unified hardware which will translate into better looking effects overall, but you will not see an amazing, magical increase in hardware throughput like you believe.


RE: Good starting price
By Reclaimer77 on 2/26/2013 6:18:50 PM , Rating: 2
Wrong. The PS4 architecture absolutely crushes a gaming PC. It slays it.

People just don't seem to understand how inefficient the PC is for gaming. We've been able to throw lots of silicon at the problem to keep it at bay, but the simple fact is the PC has tons of graphics overhead that the PS4 won't.

Now sure, you can build a PC with better graphics than the PS4. But it's going to cost about three times more.

There's lots of articles and analysis out there that explains this. I encourage people who look at the PS4 hardware and think it's "weak", to educate themselves.


RE: Good starting price
By SPOOFE on 2/26/2013 6:48:00 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
People just don't seem to understand how inefficient the PC is for gaming.

Exactly. High-end gaming PC's can suck up many hundreds of watts, or more. 1200 watt PSU's, anyone?


RE: Good starting price
By Reclaimer77 on 2/26/2013 6:55:34 PM , Rating: 2
True Spoofe. But actually I was speaking of software inefficiency. Because the Windows platform must support hundreds of different video card and hardware combinations, there's LOTS of overhead in DirectX and the graphics rendering software.

The PS4 is purpose-built and streamlined to deliver the highest graphics performance with it's hardware. There's no comparison really.


RE: Good starting price
By Strunf on 2/27/2013 7:53:48 AM , Rating: 2
1200W power supply? man you can build a high-end system on a 500W power supply... unless you go into the dual-card configuration you don't need a 1200W PSU.

A high-end GC needs at most 200-300W, the CPU not even 100W, the rest are just peanuts... if the consoles use roughly the same graphics processor and cpu there's no reason to think they will consume less...


RE: Good starting price
By robinthakur on 2/27/2013 12:09:17 PM , Rating: 2
True, and that is to run a game typically at 1680x1050, 1920x1200 and topping out at 2560x1440 (i.e. an iPad's resolution)! I have my PC (32GB Ram, Quad Core i7 )which I built sitting switched off the majority of the time these days because I rarely need to use it. I will either be in the family room using my Macbook Pro or iPad or if I'm doing Dev work on rare occasions, I will be remoting into my main PC from the Macbook, but these days this is rare. I could play a game on it, but I'd be stuck in the bedroom on my own which is pretty anti social. I recognise that for heavy dev work or video encoding (aka the usual desktop use-cases whih get trotted out) are getting increasingly niche for most people. Far from encouraging people to build gaming PC's to run console quality games in a slightly higher res I would say that few people need a desktop pc these days, with most not even needing laptops. When you look at how responsive a device like an iPad is on ARM architecture yet how little power it uses, it makes desktop PC's seem almost profligately wasteful.


RE: Good starting price
By augiem on 2/26/2013 7:16:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Wrong. The PS4 architecture absolutely crushes a gaming PC. It slays it...People just don't seem to understand how inefficient the PC is for gaming... There's lots of articles and analysis out there that explains this...


I know all about DirectX. Yes, it's an extra layer above the hardware the PS4 will not have to deal with, but if you think this will translate into a 2x or more performance increase, you're dreaming. To make such a bold statement that "it slays it", I hope you have something to back that up.

quote:
I encourage people who look at the PS4 hardware and think it's "weak", to educate themselves.


Thus far we have nothing to go on but the meager amount of data Sony's released. From their figures, it's not nearly the colossus the PS3 was in its time.


RE: Good starting price
By Reclaimer77 on 2/26/2013 8:32:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
but if you think this will translate into a 2x or more performance increase, you're dreaming.


Clearly you've missed the point entirely. We're not talking about doubling the performance of the PC. There aren't even any games for that.

We're talking about comparative performance levels. People like you are apparently looking at the specs and going "OMG it's mid level PC gear the graphics will suck". Not understanding the highly efficient design. It WILL deliver state of the art graphics despite it's hardware. That is the point.

So yes, in terms of delivering graphics, the PS4 absolutely slays the PC. As I said, we overcome this problem on the PC side by throwing tons of silicon at the problem. That adds cost, however.

Your attempt to make a PC gaming build for around the same price as the PS4 had me holding my sides in laughter. For the money, a PC just cannot compete with the PS4 in terms of graphics rendering.


RE: Good starting price
By inighthawki on 2/27/2013 11:24:35 AM , Rating: 2
So you're aware of how the DX kernel works, the overhead of submitting DMA buffers, paging memory in and out, presenting frames and the codepath it takes through the kernel. Queuing frames and the extra work involved to ensure robustness on a generic platform. There are SO many things that can be optimized it's not even funny.


RE: Good starting price
By Strunf on 2/27/2013 8:12:16 AM , Rating: 2
You're comparing Apple to Oranges, you do realize 100% of PC games are played at 1080p resolutions, console games on the other are mostly 720p, PC games also enjoy of better AA and other post processing techniques, you wouldn't even see the difference between playing a game on a low end PC at 720p and on a xbox360/PS3.

Jack up the resolution, the post-processing techniques, the number of polygons and you'll see how your PS3/xbox360 would do against a PC... with the PS4/Xbox720 it will be the same, better (or the same) frame rates at the expense of graphics quality.


RE: Good starting price
By Reclaimer77 on 2/26/2013 6:33:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
AMD FX4100 : $104.99


You've lost me right there. Get real! An AMD CPU? What idiot would do that? You're only going AMD so you can make your argument look more attractive by jacking the price down, using garbage parts.

I'm a system builder, I know tons of system builders, we've pretty much exclusively rejected AMD builds for gaming. Their power consumption is horrible, and the per-core performance is equally bad.

Even the cheapest i5 build would be better than yours. And are you seriously leaving out an SSD??

quote:
The price of the above hardware is competitive with PS4.


No, it's not. It's not even close. The PS4 is designed to do far more, with less hardware, then can be achieved with a PC. Google is your friend.


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