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iOS 6.1.3 likely means the end for one popular jailbreak

Earlier this month a jailbreak for iOS devices launched called Evasi0n. The jailbreak proved to be incredibly popular racking up 800,000 downloads in the first six hours it was available – after all, this was the first “untethered” jailbreak available for the iPhone 5.
 
However, Forbes reports that Apple is currently beta testing an update for iOS that crushes the Evasi0n jailbreak.

According to David Wang, one of the creators of the jailbreak, an analysis of the 6.1.3 Beta 2 update determined that the update patches at least one of the five iOS flaws that the jailbreak exploits. Specifically, the new iOS update patches a flaw in the time zone settings for the operating system.

“If one of the vulnerabilities doesn’t work, evasi0n doesn’t work,” he says. “We could replace that part with a different vulnerability, but [Apple] will probably fix most if not all of the bugs we’ve used when 6.1.3 comes out.”

Wang expects that could be as long as another month before the 6.1.3 update is available to the public, so for now users of his jailbreak can continue using it with no problems. And considering that any 6.1.x update is unlikely to add any new functionality, most people will just stick with the 6.1.2 Evasi0n jailbreak permanently.

Source: Forbes



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What a Nightmare
By Reclaimer77 on 2/26/2013 11:35:37 AM , Rating: 2
Whenever an Apple zealot counters with "oh ya, we can jailbreak our phones too", I have to wonder if they've tried Android at all.

It's unacceptable to me that you're expected to just accept Apple constantly trying to brick your phone with an update because they can't stand a few people living outside the walls of their garden.




RE: What a Nightmare
By Tony Swash on 2/26/2013 11:54:19 AM , Rating: 1
Nobody cares about this except weird iPhobes who fret a lot about what other people can and cannot do on devices which they themselves don't own.

Meanwhile in the real world Apple's iPhone is so popular that it occupies both the top two slots in world sales. I guess lots of people like living inside the walls of the garden.

http://blogs.strategyanalytics.com/HCST/post/2013/...


RE: What a Nightmare
By JackBurton on 2/26/13, Rating: 0
RE: What a Nightmare
By mcnabney on 2/26/2013 1:46:47 PM , Rating: 2
...because Apple only releases one new model per year.

When the whole ecosystem is counted (dozens of new Android models each year) the scale tips back the other way.


RE: What a Nightmare
By Tony Swash on 2/26/13, Rating: -1
RE: What a Nightmare
By retrospooty on 2/26/2013 3:12:41 PM , Rating: 3
"What would those scales being weighing?"

They would be weighing how 5x more people choose Android than IOS. His post was a direct reply to your "in the real world Apple's iPhone is so popular" comment. Dont you remember, when you pulled another "Tony" and changed the subject from update breaking Jailbreak to a popularity contest? Then when we showed you that you are wrong and IOS is not winning a popularity contest, you then changed the subject to profit. Make up your mind man, what subject are you changing it to? :P


RE: What a Nightmare
By Tony Swash on 2/26/13, Rating: -1
RE: What a Nightmare
By retrospooty on 2/26/2013 5:12:23 PM , Rating: 3
Why does Apple popularity matter when the discussion was about an OS update breaking Jailbreak? You are the one that brought up trivial matters that were off topic, not me.


RE: What a Nightmare
By retrospooty on 2/26/2013 12:09:58 PM , Rating: 3
Its a funny thing, data. When you slice it up to make things appear in a certain way, it can skew reality. When you taake a step back and look at the whole picture, it reveals ... The whole picture.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/29/strategy-analyt...

What this shows us is that in the whole year 2011 vs. 2012:

Android grew from 48.7% to 68.4% market share.
Apple went from 19 to 19.4$ market share.

Q4 2011 vs Q4 2012 only - Apple actually fell from 23.6% to 22%.

Isnt data funny? ;)


RE: What a Nightmare
By Tony Swash on 2/26/13, Rating: -1
RE: What a Nightmare
By marvdmartian on 2/26/2013 2:46:52 PM , Rating: 3
Profit share only proves two points:
1. Apple grossly overcharges their customers for their products
2. Apple consumers are schmucks, who are willing to be grossly overcharged


RE: What a Nightmare
By tayb on 2/26/13, Rating: 0
RE: What a Nightmare
By retrospooty on 2/26/2013 4:20:57 PM , Rating: 2
"Consumers don't get ripped off when they buy iPhones, carriers do. And I'm actually happy about that."

LOL... That is true in the US anyhow. At least until the next contract negotiation comes up. When the current deals were made Apple had no real competition. Even the latest one to get the iPhone, Sprint says they wont make a single penny off the iPhone for 6 years. That is how much they spent for it... Anyhow, no carriers will be selling hte farm on the next round since Google and MS have caught up and surpassed Apple.


RE: What a Nightmare
By tayb on 2/27/2013 12:52:21 PM , Rating: 2
I doubt that will happen. Apple has a very strong position in the US market. No carrier has the balls. I wish they did honestly because we ALL pay the price... but they don't. They cave.


RE: What a Nightmare
By retrospooty on 2/27/2013 3:26:24 PM , Rating: 2
It's not about that... Its about options. If you are going to buy something, and there is only one product that matches, with no viable competition, and to make money yourself you have to have it, you pay top dollar. If there is a cheaper alternative you don't. Its not balls, its math and economics.

Do you really think Sprint would make an iPhone deal today that put them in a 6 year hole before making any profit? Looking at all the phones on the market, the iPhone isnt even close to the top of the line.


RE: What a Nightmare
By tayb on 2/27/2013 4:04:00 PM , Rating: 2
It doesn't matter what your personal opinion on the iPhone is. The fact is that it is the single best selling smartphone in the US and nearly matches the entirety of Android sales all by itself. Whether or not it deserves the accolades is completely irrelevant because customers are still demanding it.

quote:
Do you really think Sprint would make an iPhone deal today that put them in a 6 year hole before making any profit? Looking at all the phones on the market, the iPhone isnt even close to the top of the line.


Yes. And every single carrier would do it again. Today. Verizon, AT&T, and Sprint all make that deal every single year. In fact they made that deal again as recently as November 2012. Not offering the iPhone for $200 would be a PR and sales disaster... for the carriers.


RE: What a Nightmare
By retrospooty on 2/27/2013 5:23:41 PM , Rating: 2
$200 has nothing to do with it, its the carriers price that we are talking about. Do you seriously think they are paying the same price for deals in 2012 as they did in 2007 to 2011? Got data?


RE: What a Nightmare
By retrospooty on 2/27/2013 6:32:51 PM , Rating: 2
"Yes. And every single carrier would do it again. "

There, I found the link I was thinking of earlier, but didn't have time to search... You think they will do deals like this again? This was Oct 2011, when Android was on version 2.3 and wasn't anywhere near as good as iPhone. AT&T and Verizon are were paying through the nose as well. Its just not going to happen anymore. Not for the same high prices. Its simple economics.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Rising-Apple-iPhone...


RE: What a Nightmare
By elleehswon on 2/26/2013 7:18:17 PM , Rating: 2
iphone 5 $200
iphone 5 $300
iphone 5 $400

fixt.


RE: What a Nightmare
By xti on 2/26/2013 5:22:18 PM , Rating: 2
maybe its a drop in the well? this is a tech site, usually, if you complain about costs, this isnt the hobby for you.


RE: What a Nightmare
By retrospooty on 2/26/2013 3:02:34 PM , Rating: 2
"Apple's profit share of the entire global phone market (not just smart phones - all phones) went from 21% in 2008, to 50% in 2010, to 57% at the start of 2011, 73% at the start of 2012, and 72% at the end of 2012."

Awesome... What does that get you as a consumer? Better products? Better pricing? Better Features? Nope... None of the above.


RE: What a Nightmare
By Tony Swash on 2/26/13, Rating: 0
RE: What a Nightmare
By retrospooty on 2/26/2013 4:16:46 PM , Rating: 2
Right... I wouldnt want to change the subject now would I ? LOL. You are so transparent its not even funny Tony.


RE: What a Nightmare
By KoolAidMan1 on 2/26/2013 6:52:12 PM , Rating: 3
Profit share is kind of boring to talk about since it doesn't really affect customers.

What is interesting though is that iOS still dominates mobile internet traffic even with the explosion of Android devices. Do people on Android just make phone calls? I don't think so, the Android story is all about explosion in the low end.


RE: What a Nightmare
By robinthakur on 2/27/2013 11:44:18 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, because Android buyers (Excluding buyers of the S3 and comparable handsets) generally have lower earning power than people buying iPhones. Frankly, as an iPhone owner I am aware that the iPhone 5 is perhaps not the best value for money, but it feels the best built, and apps tend to work on it better than my Galaxy S3 and I place a high value on that reliability (we'll look past Apple maps now that Google Maps iOS is available). I tend to see iOS as more robust than Android in the sense that everything is backed up to iCloud and just gets restored including recent calls, texts etc.

I tend not to buy apps on the G3 or use it to browse the web as the web browsing experience on the i5 is better for me because I make fewer mistakes typing using the iPhone keyboard and is generally less finicky. Apps is obviously in the iPhones favour, not just due to various app available metrics, but because Apple has been hooked into people's wallets for far longer with iTunes and the App Store, and they trust them with that data. I don't necessarily trust Google with my personal data, let alone my financial data. The Play Store has improved, but it still is missing a lot of apps I use all the time.


RE: What a Nightmare
By KoolAidMan1 on 2/28/2013 3:02:47 AM , Rating: 1
Yeah, it's just higher quality.


RE: What a Nightmare
By xti on 2/26/2013 5:18:30 PM , Rating: 2
if apple allowed 3rd party manufactures for iOS, who knows what the numbers would be.

but how much of those android devices are poor mans cell phone solution or chinese knock offs? do those even count for DT arguments?

It just seems skewed because it sounds like you guys want to compare apple's devices vs the flagship andriod device makers...yet use every android device under the sun.

no one is really rooting for these to be part of the conversation, yet they count to beef up the numbers...no?
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-problem-wit...


RE: What a Nightmare
By Reclaimer77 on 2/26/2013 6:04:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
but how much of those android devices are poor mans cell phone solution or chinese knock offs? do those even count for DT arguments?


Why not? If Apple chooses to handicap themselves by only doing the high-end thing, fine, good for them. But it doesn't mean a bunch of Android sales magically don't count.

And come on, there's no significant number of phones that are "Chinese knockoffs" out there.


RE: What a Nightmare
By xti on 2/26/2013 6:59:47 PM , Rating: 2
understood, but a $1 phone and a Note II are completely different ends of the spectrum to be all umbrella'd into an argument point.

The chinese knockoffs is more the tablet, i needed a 2nd example lol. Please dont Tony me, i have a GS3 and a soul.


RE: What a Nightmare
By tayb on 2/26/2013 11:57:52 AM , Rating: 3
Derp. Android OTA updates break root all the time. I have to wonder if you've tried Android at all.


RE: What a Nightmare
By xti on 2/26/2013 5:19:46 PM , Rating: 2
I missed itunes the 2nd i saw what kies was.


RE: What a Nightmare
By ritualm on 2/26/2013 11:59:16 AM , Rating: 2
Why bother even trying to argue? It's a game of "catch me if you can", the mouse almost always has the upper hand.

Oh look, the basis of your argument has collapsed.


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