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Top White House official comes clean about covert drone strikes

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RE: Gibbs always pissed me off.
By ppardee on 2/25/2013 4:11:52 PM , Rating: 5
OK, so if we know these people are enemy combatants and we believe them to be a threat to national security (which is not required according to the DoJ), why can't we get a judge involved and actually have some oversight? It is a unilateral decision. The Executive Branch makes the decision with absolutely no checks and balances.

While I believe state-sanctioned killing is murder, I understand that is not the current law and is not the popular view of the country. I'm not going to say we shouldn't execute people. But this would be akin to the governor of a state sending the police out to shoot someone who is a member of a gang but has not been connected to any crime himself. The person has admitted to being an enemy of the state (no gang in the history of the world has ever been all about charity) so the governor has the right to kill him.

Clearly, this is wrong. The view that members of terrorist organizations are different is the problem. Until you can prove that this person has the intent to commit a crime or has committed a crime (and have proven it in court, or at least had some judicial oversight of ANY kind), it is unconstitutional to execute them.

The conversation now is "They could have been a threat to national security. I took them out."

It should be
"They are an eminent threat to national security."
"Prove it."
"Here's my evidence."
"Yeah, I agree. Take them out."

Until that judicial oversight happens, any killing of an American citizen by the military is murder.

And as far as renunciation of citizenship:
"A person wishing to renounce his or her U.S. citizenship must voluntarily and with intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer, or in a foreign country (normally at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate); and sign an oath of renunciation"

You can't do it verbally or even by mail. It has to be done in court and voluntarily. Simply joining an international gang doesn't do it.


RE: Gibbs always pissed me off.
By Scrogneugneu on 2/25/2013 10:31:59 PM , Rating: 1
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Until that judicial oversight happens, any killing of an American citizen by the military is murder.


Because killing anybody that is NOT an American citizen is absolutely NOT murder.


RE: Gibbs always pissed me off.
By espaghetti on 2/26/2013 8:57:36 AM , Rating: 2
It bares the name "war", sometimes.


RE: Gibbs always pissed me off.
By ppardee on 2/26/2013 3:37:07 PM , Rating: 2
I know it seems like a double standard. I would like to say that the government shouldn't kill anyone at any time, but that's not really realistic. When there is an eminent threat of danger, lethal force is necessary.

If someone points a gun at you, you shoot them before they can shoot you. I believe that each person has the right to defend themselves. I believe that the country has a right to defend itself, but in either case, you have to prove that the person killed was an immediate threat. Obama can't do that with the drone strikes (on Americans or otherwise).


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