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Discount shoppers rejoice, DRM won't be quite as draconian on the PS4

Sony Worldwide Studios President Shuhei Yoshida has news that will be music to gamers ears -- Sony Corp. (TYO:6758) is declining to block games with its next generation console, the PlayStation 4.

Recently rumors spread like wildfire that Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) would be incorporating a strong new digital rights management (DRM) scheme into its next generation console, the Xbox 720, to prevent the resale or playing of used games.  Basically games will be associated with your Xbox Live ID, so there will be no way to transfer titles or acquire titles at a discount second hand.

In an interview with EuroGamer, Sony's Yoshida takes a different approach.  He comments, "Do you want us to do that?"

When the interviewer replied that the customer expects to get some value that they can pass on when they buy the game (and effectively pay a licensing fee to the console maker), Mr. Yoshida voiced agreement.
"Yes. That's the general expectation by consumers.  They purchase physical form, they want to use it everywhere, right? So that's my expectation... So, used games can play on PS4. How is that?"

Sony did file a seemingly alarming patent [PDF] last month on technology to lock a game disc to a specific console to prevent resale.  But the good news for gamers is that technology appears to have nothing to do with the PlayStation 4.

The tables have certainly turned for the company, who was once infamous for pushing dangerous DRM on customers and losing a lawsuit over the practice.  Now Sony appears to be the one pushing the market to hold off on DRM, while Microsoft is pushing hard for more draconian measures.

So the question for gamers willing to consider a Sony console is this: if Microsoft deep-sixes used games via DRM, but Sony freely allows them, would that influence your buying decision?

Source: Eurogamer

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RE: Xbox 720 vs Steam
By Johnny Rants on 2/21/2013 12:10:51 PM , Rating: 2
That is such an easy question to answer, at least steam will sell a game at a discount, such as 2.50 - 20.00 on good sales of top games. Microsoft and many other game publishing as of late only want 60 dollar or more games never coming down in price. A good example is Skyrim, it did not drop below 60 dollars until Thanksgiving sale a year after release, which is when I ended up buying it.

I would take Steam over Microsoft any day due to that fact alone. In fact if steam ever made a console i'd probably buy it, just because I "can" at some point get games for a price i'm willing to pay.

As a side note, as far as I know most games on steam can also be played without an internet connection. So if my internet goes down I don't actually have to be online to play although steam may have changed that at some point and I'm not aware but I think my copy of Rage can be played without logging into my steam account, in single player at least.

The mandatory internet connection is stupid in my opinion. What if I was to play during a storm that knocks out my internet connection or my ISP goes through outage, it does happen and making it so I can't have access to games I pay for because of an outage that is not power outage related just plain sucks.

I find it very bothersome and concerning that today games and media (movies and such) can be sold without packaging, shipping, mailing, or even through retailers but the price of the same products requiring paper ink packaging shipping and what not are either the same price or higher. If you save money doing something then pass that savings on what is going on now is greed plain and simple and nothing more.

I refuse to get bank statements or any other document emailed to me for that reason, if you are not going to pass any savings on to me then I'm not gonna bother trying to save you postage, mail my documents to me as required or offer me some incentive to save you money by getting it digitally, such as waving of bank fees or some other similar notion, that atm fee for using non asscoiated atms is rather bothersome, maybe take my savings from mailings and make my atm fee for non associated atms be lessoned by a similar amount? Doesn't have to be the same but at least close, if mailing saves 30 cents then knock off the atm fee 25 cents they still come out a nickel ahead and a nickel made off of millions is quite a tidy sum still.

RE: Xbox 720 vs Steam
By NellyFromMA on 2/21/2013 1:02:48 PM , Rating: 2
Did you get confirmation MS will never offer discounts? Btw, Steam never offers discounts on brand new AAA games.

They release at retail pricing and the deals come after to stimulate sales.

Why on Earth would MS not also do that?

RE: Xbox 720 vs Steam
By hugo_stiglitz on 2/21/2013 1:27:09 PM , Rating: 2
Btw, Steam never offers discounts on brand new AAA games.

Not exactly true. I remember when Batman: AC was released on Steam (Oct/Nov 2011). Then, Dec came and they had their Steam holiday sale I saw the game for 50% off. This included all the DLC as well.

Have you ever seen something like this on the 360? I'm talking about an AAA title go on sale for 50% off within 2 months after release...

RE: Xbox 720 vs Steam
By NellyFromMA on 2/21/2013 2:07:54 PM , Rating: 2
Honestly, I won't claim to know the entirely of Steam's history of launch pricing. I can speak only to my experience which is fairly experienced.

That said, let me revise and say its extremely rare that a AAA title is released on Steam and store with Steam have the favorable price within the first 3-4 weeks or month.

That said, with Batman, I don't know that's considered a AAA title particularly on PC. Remember that jsut because a game is a blockbuster on console doesn't mean the PC sales are held to the same pricing standard.

I think that game suffered to sell on PC, hence the cut I would guess.

No, I haven't seen something like that on 360, but I venture thats's because in its present form, Xbox live does not compete with Steam or any other vendor. That won't be true next gen because Valve and MS will chose to move into each other territories, making them much more direct competitors. MS cannot compete with anyone if they won't be competitive on price. MS has demonstrated this many times before so I don't have a reason at this time to assume they will go to the worst case scenario by default.

RE: Xbox 720 vs Steam
By Johnny Rants on 2/21/2013 2:10:11 PM , Rating: 1
Have you been on XBox live lately? The "discounts" microsoft offers are so marginal they don't even feel worth looking at. I have seen 60 dollar games released on steam for 50 the day of released top tier game. Never is a strong word but I can honestly say "I" have never seen microsoft offer any steep discount outside of a vendor/partner channel offering. Steam will also lower the price long before Microsoft or other retail offerings do. My friend bought Skyrim for PC for 30 bucks off steam LONG before it was released for that price anywhere else.

No the 360 is the last gaming system I buy from Microsoft. They cater to people that have money to spend on pointless endeavors, such as spending hundreds of dollars on a facebook game that is nothing more than clicking the mouse and watching timers count down.

Good for anyone capitalizing on that business model but to make that business model the standard practice plain sucks, its greed at its worse.

No one is saying games should not release at 60 dollar but to just keep it there and not drop for a year or longer is greed and nothing more. Its punishing people who don't have 20+ dollar an hour jobs, or who just sit around with disability checks with nothing else to spend money on.

And microsoft makes you pay for Xbox live, you pay for internet access that you already pay an ISP for. IF they want that then microsoft needs to start their on ISP business. I don't pay for co-op on PS3 or least didn't when it first came out. I don't pay for co-op on PC, I pay my ISP and that's it.

There have been plenty of good incite on this topic, what incite are you giving?

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