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China says is information shows hacking attacks originating from the US

Recently, security company Mandiant accused the Chinese military of conducting hack attacks against numerous businesses within the United States. Mandiant claimed that the People's Liberation Army Unit 61398 was likely the driving force behind the hacking attacks.

The security firm maintains that this unit has carried out sustained attacks on a wide range of industries around the world. The Chinese Defense Ministry has denied the charges and recently issued a statement condemning Mandiant's claims.

"The report, in only relying on linking IP address to reach a conclusion the hacking attacks originated from China, lacks technical proof," the ministry said in a statement on its website (www.mod.gov.cn).

"Everyone knows that the use of usurped IP addresses to carry out hacking attacks happens on an almost daily basis," it added.

"Second, there is still no internationally clear, unified definition of what consists of a 'hacking attack'. There is no legal evidence behind the report subjectively inducing that the everyday gathering of online (information) is online spying."

Mandiant maintains that Unit 61398 has stolen "hundreds of terabytes of data from at least 141 organizations” for the past seven years. The security firm says that most of the victims of the located in the United States with smaller numbers of victims in Canada and Britain. The allegedly stolen data includes things such as details on mergers and acquisitions as well as e-mails of employees.

The Chinese Defense Ministry also says that its own information shows that a number of the hacking attacks against it originate from the United States. The ministry added, "But we don't use this as a reason to criticize the United States."

Source: Reuters



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China's Politician's Sound Like Ours
By hood6558 on 2/20/2013 10:14:49 AM , Rating: 3
Like a child who didn't quite get caught with a hand actually in the cookie jar, and is busily swallowing the evidence, complete denial sounds hollow, especially with all those cookie crumbs spraying forth. Remember Nixon and how well he got along with the Chinese...
It's all a deadly game, the new cold war is in cyberspace, and we imprison our smartest hackers, while they train theirs in elite teams of military specialists. Time to wake up & get busy...oh wait, it doesn't matter, the pols already sold most of our country to China! Game over....




RE: China's Politician's Sound Like Ours
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 2/20/2013 10:16:47 AM , Rating: 4
The Chinese copy, err I mean learn, from the best ;)


RE: China's Politician's Sound Like Ours
By ShaolinSoccer on 2/20/2013 10:38:02 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe China should use proxies in North Korea. North Korea would love to be accused of hacking into US computers. Then again, that would probably be impossible considering the lack of internet in North Korea.


By GulWestfale on 2/20/2013 11:17:40 AM , Rating: 2
north korea cannot hack anybody, they only have one IP address. everyone would know who did it.


By NellyFromMA on 2/20/2013 2:06:05 PM , Rating: 2
For all you know, North Korea is China's proxy for any and perhaps all cyber attacks from the US. You don't know because experts don't know because it's not something you can really determine.

The internet is great obviously, but if this is the other edge of the blade I think its time to start having a conversation on where we go from here and what the future state of the "internet" is going to be.

We need ways to trust and not trust a source or at a minimum ID a user.

The internet as it exists now doesn't necessarily have to go away (how could it) but we now know things from having done this for 30 years in the real world.

I know its terribly painful to consider an alternative to the internet for obvious reasons but perhaps we are ready for an "extranet" that is more secure in nature and requires authentication by some means to even use.

Obviously something like this could be integrated into HTTP but I can't help but feel like if its an afterthought bolt-on it could be easily superceded.

I'm curious as to what others think about the current state of our IT infrastructure and what we as a nation can do to fix it.


RE: China's Politician's Sound Like Ours
By dsx724 on 2/20/13, Rating: -1
By BifurcatedBoat on 2/20/2013 1:16:54 PM , Rating: 1
You can download a terabyte on a slow connection if you have 8 years to do it.


RE: China's Politician's Sound Like Ours
By NellyFromMA on 2/20/2013 1:46:30 PM , Rating: 2
Who DIDNT think this would be China's response?

My only question is WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO about it?

If current infrastructure and protocols do not ever offer the ability to determine an attacker with confidence, that is a HUGE security risk in and of itself. In a world where malicious nations will exploit this to attack us, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO.

That's where we're at in my eyes. Why isn't anyone even trying to answer that?


By dsx724 on 2/21/2013 1:22:07 AM , Rating: 2
Shane McGlaun previously wrote similar sensational pieces about Chinese "hacking":
http://www.tgdaily.com/security-brief/63684-report...

When in reality it was probably a testing facility built in the original design for debugging.
http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4374624/Mi...

It's way too expensive and difficult to redesign lithography masks for someone to simply change it like a software program. Just like it is way too difficult to determine who is carrying out an attack on the internet. Otherwise every member of Anonymous would have been found already.

We already have people who specialize in network security that do very good jobs. The biggest problem in security is the human factor.


RE: China's Politician's Sound Like Ours
By MrBlastman on 2/20/2013 3:08:41 PM , Rating: 2
Get busy?

Put an end to the WTO for a start. Stop outsourcing everything and make it here. Stop sending them money. Cut them off. We can do it--we're already going to see ridiculous amounts of inflation.

We might as well put money back in our own pockets than shipping it overseas.


By wordsworm on 2/20/2013 6:27:48 PM , Rating: 2
You got it mixed up: They're sending money to the US so that the US can buy from China. So, more apt might be, "Make them stop sending us money!"


By Strunf on 2/21/2013 11:40:41 AM , Rating: 2
The US doesn't respect the WTO anyways... it's the usual do as I say not as I do!


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