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New device to be unveiled in New York City

If you're a fan of Samsung's Galaxy smartphones, you will be glad to hear the latest rumor making the rounds. Sources are indicating that Samsung is set to announce its next high-end smartphone called the Galaxy S IV on March 14. The mid-March introduction date was unveiled started with a tweet from Eldar Murtazin.

Murtazin wrote, "Save the date for a big announcement - March 14 :) And keep silence ;) HTC will miss HTC One sales again :( Like it was in 2012."

The Verge backs up that tweet, stating that March 14 is "definitely" the day that Samsung will be unveiling its latest generation flagship smartphone.

Another interesting tidbit that comes from the sources claiming to be familiar with Samsung's plans is that the manufacturer will focus on features rather than raw specifications.

The sources said, "The leap in cool new features from [Galaxy S III] to the next flagship will be bigger." That would seemingly mean that the leap and features would be bigger between the S III and S IV that it was between the S II and the S III.

Source: The Verge



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Sansung design is good, but AMOLED is horrible.
By Roy2001 on 2/19/2013 1:28:25 PM , Rating: 2
the color of AMOLED is HORRIBLE to me.




By blue_urban_sky on 2/19/2013 2:59:21 PM , Rating: 2
But that black... God I love that black.


By Jeffk464 on 2/19/2013 5:45:48 PM , Rating: 2
I had to warranty my galaxy nexus and when I got the replacement their was a very noticeable color fade between the two phones. This might be the biggest problem with AMOLED, also doesn't give me confidence in AMOLED TV's that you will expect at least 7 years out of.


By TakinYourPoints on 2/20/2013 4:38:07 AM , Rating: 2
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/1857r0v0lfr7ijpg/x...

Color and text rendering are awful. Better calibration could help a great deal but it still wouldn't help much with the pentile pattern and rendering of fine text. It is a terrible screen for such an expensive phone. Apple and HTC have much much better displays.

And the Droid DNA, drool

I totally get why Google switched from Samsung to LG for the Nexus, they got a massive upgrade in display quality by doing so. Crossing fingers that Samsung ups their own display quality with the GS4.


RE: Sansung design is good, but AMOLED is horrible.
By Mint on 2/20/2013 6:59:30 AM , Rating: 4
That's an awful comparison, because the pictures are zoomed precisely to the point where the S3's subpixels show up as colored elements in the jpg but the other phones' subpixels get blurred together.

Anyway, this thread is about the S4. In all likelihood, it will use the Note II pixel pattern, not Pentile.

The international S3 and all Note IIs have the option of more accurate colors. CNET did a test with the latter, and the iPhone's only tangible advantage is brightness, which is useful in the sun. Meanwhile, AMOLED gets 20x the contrast.


By robinthakur on 2/20/2013 7:20:17 AM , Rating: 1
Actually that's not accurate. I own both devices and the iPhone 5's screen is the most colour accurate on the market to the point where if you put the same picture on it next to the G3 the superiority of the Apple device is obvious, even in 'Natural' mode on the G3. Amoled displaying Blue and Green naturally just has a very weird tint to it, though this is worse at any angle to the screen. I also found the pixel structure on the S3 awful, and wonder why more people don't notice especially on such a big screen.

The number of reviews that don't mention either the colour tint, the visible sub-pixel structure from a standard operating distance, lack of brightness in manual or auto mode (especially in sunlight, where it is intolerable) or the lousy trailing (time to to go from white to black per pixel) on the G3 is crazy. If you look at the Note 2 the display is night and day better, although I still tip my hat to the IP5 for more accurate colour and a decent 'retina' quality screen.

If Samsung can improve the screen for the S4 and put something a bit more revolutionary into it, it will be interesting to see what happens to Samsung's sales. They make the screens themselves, so there is really no excuse! The S3 in my mind stagnated a bit in technical terms from the success of the S2, all the more in the US market which received a neutered version anyway...100% agree that the Nexus 4 is a much nicer device overall, and much more how you imagine Google would like to present Android to the world.


By Mint on 2/20/2013 10:10:24 AM , Rating: 3
I said "CNET tested the latter", i.e. the Note 2, in natural/movie mode, not the S3. It's more indicative of the S4 display, not the S3, so throw out 90% of what you wrote because it's irrelevant for this topic.

All LCDs, including the iPhone5, have bluish tints on blacks, and their many-times-too-bright output for blacks (which gets worse off angle or after pressing the screen) is percentage-wise far more inaccurate than imperceptibly inaccurate colors. You don't see that in deltaE results because they measure absolute error, not relative, and almost always measure primaries alone.

I don't know what trailing you're talking about, as even google can't find anything. LCD has far worse response time.

Tipping your hat to the IP5 for ppi (I assume that's what you're refering to by 'retina') is nonsense when the resolution is lower. Put the Note 2's screen further away from your face so that its image is closer in size to the iPhone and you get more angular resolution, not less.


By Solandri on 2/20/2013 2:55:14 PM , Rating: 4
I suspect Apple does some color calibration based on samples of the screen hardware they use in their phones, but it's not per device. This is a redux of the Mac vs PC in the 1990s. Apple made an attempt to color calibrate their computers and displays. PC makers did not. That's why Macs captured such a large share of the professional graphics and artists community.

In the 2000s, color profiling and color calibration started to become affordable making this a moot issue. Colorimeters are now in the $100-$200 range. Even if your equipment comes pre-profiled, there's often significant improvement from doing your own custom color profile. So even Mac owners doing professional graphics work own a colorimeter.

Which brings us to phones. Color accuracy should not be an issue on phones. It's a problem which was solved over a decade ago on PCs. Android and iOS simply need to add support for color profiles, and the phone stores need to have a $150 colorimeter. If you're unhappy with the color accuracy of your phone, the store could then generate a new profile, load it, and your phone's colors are now accurate. If the color of the screen shifts with age (as I suspect AMOLED does), then you just take it back to the store for a new profile every 6-12 months.

The only reason it's not being done is that the vast majority of phone buyers simply don't care. The only people who care are a handful of graphics professionals, and legions of fanboys looking for anything to argue about.


By TakinYourPoints on 2/21/2013 3:43:21 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Color accuracy should not be an issue on phones. It's a problem which was solved over a decade ago on PCs.


The thing is that they are pretty consistent between devices without user calibration, close enough at least. I've seen several myself and Anandtech's analysis corroborates it.

SRGB gamut and gamma charts are below: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-iphone-5-re...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6472/ipad-4-late-201...

http://www.displaymate.com/iPad_ShootOut_1.htm#Tab...

The iPad 3/4 in particular is nearly reference quality out of the factory, something that is remarkable for a $500 consumer product. We've started using them at work for quick color passes on images when we're in the field. Very convenient and completely unexpected.

Getting this level of color calibration from other manufacturers would be great but HTC seems to be the only other company interested in making their screens look good.


By Reclaimer77 on 2/20/2013 2:42:01 PM , Rating: 1
Takin using some bs argument against an Android product? Noooooo


By TakinYourPoints on 2/21/2013 3:34:00 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
That's an awful comparison, because the pictures are zoomed precisely to the point where the S3's subpixels show up as colored elements in the jpg but the other phones' subpixels get blurred together.


The pentile array is such that there are fewer subpixels per pixel, resulting in poor rendering of fine details and text. Color gamut and gamma are among the worst in its class. All of this is clear from normal viewing distance, magnification shows why.

Sharing subpixels rather than having three dedicated subpixels per pixel is not a good solution.

quote:
The international S3 and all Note IIs have the option of more accurate colors.


And even then their color accuracy isn't anywhere close to Apple's or HTC's. I'll take Anandtech's detailed color and gamma analysis over CNET's any day.


By TakinYourPoints on 2/21/2013 3:55:00 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
That's an awful comparison, because the pictures are zoomed precisely to the point where the S3's subpixels show up as colored elements in the jpg but the other phones' subpixels get blurred together.


Incorrect, they're all at similar magnification levels. Note how close the size of the subpixels are to devices with similar PPI like the Nexus 4 and HTC One X.

The reason you notice the pixel array with the GS3 is the same reason text and fine detail looks bad on a pentile screen: pixels share subpixels with each other. The "higher resolution" GS3 has fewer subpixels than the iPhone 4S or other devices like the HTC One X with similar PPI.

The GS3's inferior rendering of fine details and awful color profiles are clear as a bell to the eye. You don't need a macro lens to make the point but it certainly makes it obvious.

Here's another one with the GN2: http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/185bfx75mrx0cjpg/x...

Also not very good. Why isn't HTC more popular among Android users? They clearly use better displays than Samsung, some of the best out there.


By TakinYourPoints on 2/21/2013 4:15:54 AM , Rating: 2
And to be clear, good: http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/gadgets/apple/...

Also good: http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/gadgets/apple/...

Not so good: http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/gadgets/apple/...

Like I said before, it wouldn't surprise me if display was one of the reasons why Google dropped Samsung for LG when it was time to make the Nexus 4.


By Mint on 2/20/2013 7:01:31 AM , Rating: 3
Then you haven't seen the more recent screens running the accurate setting.


S3 user that got a Nexus 4 for my wife
By bond007taz on 2/19/2013 11:58:53 AM , Rating: 1
I have a S3 and LOVE it.... I got a Nexus 4 for my wife, since I am on CDMA and she uses GSM and I can't help but drooling over native android... all I can say is wow - the S3 would be the PERFECT device if it had native android... the nexus 4 is amazing and wish I could switch to that but my S3 is a GREAT phone




RE: S3 user that got a Nexus 4 for my wife
By retrospooty on 2/19/2013 12:05:20 PM , Rating: 2
"all I can say is wow - the S3 would be the PERFECT device if it had native android."

dood...

http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Devices#vendor="Samsung";


By retrospooty on 2/19/2013 12:07:00 PM , Rating: 2
bah... link dunt work, but here is Sprint and Verizon...

http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/D2vzw_Info

http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/D2spr_Info


RE: S3 user that got a Nexus 4 for my wife
By theapparition on 2/19/2013 3:40:44 PM , Rating: 2
When did "dude" turn into "dood".

Is this something else I've missed on the web?


RE: S3 user that got a Nexus 4 for my wife
By Micronite on 2/19/2013 4:03:58 PM , Rating: 2
It's upside-down "poop"


By Sazabi19 on 2/19/2013 4:17:13 PM , Rating: 2
No, that would be "boob".


RE: S3 user that got a Nexus 4 for my wife
By retrospooty on 2/19/2013 5:11:13 PM , Rating: 3
1997 I believe. ;)


By Solandri on 2/20/2013 2:58:31 PM , Rating: 2
Back when kids thought it was cool to use numbers in place of letters. (Dude became d00d.)


By sigmatau on 2/19/2013 7:50:07 PM , Rating: 2
I would love to try a Nexus 4. On the GS3, I still find the UI to be very clunky.

How is it that a GS3 takes 2x-3x longer to rotate its screen over a Nokia 900 with a single core processor? It's sometimes such a long pause that I would shake my phone to try to activate that sensor. I know Microsoft's Windows Phone OS was optimized for UI functions to have priority, but the GS3 has like 3x the horsepower and 4x the memory.

I always thought it was Samsung's skin that caused the issues or maybe their hardware implementation like their CPUs taking to long to come out of idle.


i like my S3 but..
By xti on 2/19/2013 11:40:28 AM , Rating: 2
I really hope they work on battery life...maybe this rant should be at the battery makers...damn energizer bunny.

It's sunny outside, and 30% brightness, to preserve battery life, isn't good enough. On top of that juice defender is installed.

just because i can change my battery...doesnt mean I want to worry about that. The S3 battery life reviewed near the bottom, but the note2 improved (believe they had more real estate to work with lol) so this is something i hope they work on.




RE: i like my S3 but..
By Falacer on 2/19/2013 12:06:06 PM , Rating: 2
I haven't seen too much of poor battery life on my S3. I dont have to keep it plugged in all day at work like I did with my old phone.

Although I must mention I dont use my S3 for "everything" now that I have my Nexus 7 tablet. In fact other than some educational apps for my girls I dont have any games on my S3 at all.


RE: i like my S3 but..
By xti on 2/19/2013 1:33:21 PM , Rating: 2
i hear ya - i definitely am doing "everything on it" - a lil sports radio streaming, a quick game on the toilet, text/call often, etc.

I know its good use, but our expectations of battery life shouldn't be compromised just because its a Samsung, i am suprised that more people don't complain about it...

now i'm wondering if my phone is a lil' defective lol.


RE: i like my S3 but..
By Jeffk464 on 2/19/2013 5:38:14 PM , Rating: 2
I run Waze GPS software which requires the screen to be on(for some reason) and play podcasts all day long. I can only go for about 2 hours without it being plugged in.


RE: i like my S3 but..
By Disorganise on 2/20/2013 7:24:10 AM , Rating: 2
I find the battery life amazing compared to my old HTC. I use GPS (Sygic) for 2-2.5 hours a day (so screen on etc). plus periodically checking mail, whatsapp, facebook etc. Admittedly very little 'phone' function since I'm currently living in Indonesia where mobile phone call quality is awful - hence sticking with whatsapp etc.
I only charge overnight and get home with 10-30% battery left. I did buy a spare battery but have only needed to use it once!
My old Sensation was lucky to get an hour of GPS out of it before it was flat - basically it was unusable unless plugged in to charge.
Having said that, more battery life is always welcome :)

My wife got the S3 first and loves it - and she's somewhat painful when it comes to phones. It's sooo good the Galaxy tab is now on the cards to replace the Asus Transformer Prime - the latter being laggy too often with scrolling stuff. She was originally looking at the new iPad to replace the Asus (which I'll inherit) but not now.
I got the S3 over Christmas and am blown away by how fast and smooth at everything it is.

The only beef I have is that the music player won't recognise mp3's stored on a removable micro SD. Seems you either need to copy them to the on board SD, or use another player (which I've done).

The only fly in the ointment now is google: http://www.news.com.au/technology/massive-google-s...


RE: i like my S3 but..
By Reclaimer77 on 2/19/2013 6:15:05 PM , Rating: 2
The S3 has a giant 720p
screen. There's only so much that can be done on battery life. If you're using it as much as you say, what do you expect?


RE: i like my S3 but..
By Milliamp on 2/19/2013 6:52:02 PM , Rating: 2
Samsung has a ton of different models of Android phones in all kinds of sizes and price points. I think an S3 Maxx (thicker with larger battery) would be popular with a lot of people.

It would have the potential to be their 2nd or 3rd most popular model. It makes sense to me. Everything else has gotten amazing and battery life has remained mostly the same.


Features, not specs?
By woody1 on 2/19/2013 1:43:47 PM , Rating: 2
When they say that the phone is focusing on features, not specs, I assume that they mean software vs hardware. Given that Android is highly upgradable by flashing ROMS and installing apps, seems to me that features provided by Samsung are not so useful. Hardware is what differentiates the phones. Given the specs of the Galaxy S3, I don't see a lot of room for improvement. What I would want most is better battery life, minor improvements in video resolution, and better sound quality through the speakers. Otherwise, proprietary features provided by Samsung would not entice me a lot.




RE: Features, not specs?
By xti on 2/19/2013 3:18:03 PM , Rating: 2
the amount of people who flash ROMs are a very small minority...so to the average joe looking to buy what they see in ads on tv, it will have more of an impact than you think.

but agreed, samsungs bloat is a bit annoying. Dont get me started on kies...


RE: Features, not specs?
By woody1 on 2/19/2013 4:02:43 PM , Rating: 2
You're right, for average users, the features are a big driver. For hard-core flashers, the features just get in the way and it's the hardware that matters. The hardware is already pretty good, so any incremental improvements probably won't make a big difference.

I'm looking forward to new hardware features, e.g., built-in projectors, higher quality speakers, kinect-like 3D scanning, stuff like that. Those kind of features will take development, more CPU, better batteries, etc. I'm sure that radical new hardware is down the road, but, until then, minor software features are not going to distinguish the phones much.


RE: Features, not specs?
By Jeffk464 on 2/19/2013 5:40:31 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Given the specs of the Galaxy S3


Yup, great processor, great screen, great camera. I don't see that there is that much room for improvement.


RE: Features, not specs?
By Falacer on 2/19/2013 6:15:01 PM , Rating: 2
Better body construction? I like the solid body of the original Galaxy as opposed to this plastic whateveryoucallit on the S3. That is probably my only gripe about the S3 other than the speaker still on the back of the phone.


Nice, but...
By retrospooty on 2/19/2013 10:10:23 AM , Rating: 2
I am more enticed by the Opti G Pro... Great specs, great screen, almost no side bezel and very little bezel on top/bottom. That and Samsungs bloatware doesnt impresss me. I'd just disable all of it, immediately.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/17/lg-optimus-g-pr...




RE: Nice, but...
By ssnova703 on 2/19/2013 11:59:45 AM , Rating: 2
Nice product, something to keep an eye out for! The "galaxy S" I've been waiting for, without the galaxy S stuff. I just hope it gets some attention from the xda developers.


Any word on the Note III?
By CZroe on 2/20/2013 2:40:50 PM , Rating: 2
Any word on the Samsung Galaxy Note III? Is it expected to be announced at the same time as a sister phone similar to the SIII/Note II relationship?




5" too big for me
By Falacer on 2/19/2013 11:28:39 AM , Rating: 1
No not in that manner of speaking get your dirty mind out of the gutter!

As far as my cell phone is concerned I went from the original Galaxy to the S3 (didn't get the S2). 5" screen for a cellphone is just too big. We're almost beyond the point of a comfortable handheld phone already with the S3. The S4 is just going to be too big imho!

I had hoped they would scale down the size slightly and go with the flexible screen. Not happy with the body construction of the S3 compared to the original Galaxy phone. Hopefully they go with a more sturdy body and get the speaker off the back of the phone already!




product differentiation?
By Nortel on 2/19/13, Rating: -1
RE: product differentiation?
By retrospooty on 2/19/2013 10:13:15 AM , Rating: 5
One is a 5 incher with a 1080p screen, the other is a 5.5 inch with an active stylus. I know being an iPhone fan, more than 1 is hard for you to keep track of, but having options is a good thing, not a bad thing.


RE: product differentiation?
By Pirks on 2/19/2013 5:43:29 PM , Rating: 2
yo, I just installed stock samsung JB 4.1.2 on my Note 1, looks smooth and all, the Chrome browser sucks balls still but overall a slight improvement and some polish, I like what Google does. keep it up Google.

have to try cyanogen though before passing a final judgement on what google does, since samsung is preloading lotsa crap on stock JB, so when I see cyan 4.2 or 4.3 later on it with no sams crap then I'll have a better picture in mind


RE: product differentiation?
By retrospooty on 2/20/2013 6:58:16 AM , Rating: 2
And you had no faith ;)

j/k updates havent been a strong point, but it looks like most makers are getting the hint and finally updating older devices. I like the Note1, 1280x800 makes it. That little bit of extra width helps alot.


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