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The Windows Mobile era took a heavy toll on Microsoft's mobile efforts

In a new candid interview with CBS Corp.'s (CBS) titular station, Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) co-founder and famed philanthropist Bill Gates discusses his former company's struggles in the mobile era.  Microsoft today accounts for less than 5 percent of the smartphone market, according to most estimates.

For a time, Microsoft held nearly a quarter of the fledgling smartphone market (circa 2004).  But it failed to keep up with rivals like Google Inc. (GOOG) and Apple, Inc. (AAPL), sticking for years with the increasingly dated Windows Mobile platform.  In November 2010, Microsoft launched a new operating system, Windows Phone, which was ambitious but lacked strong third-party hardware support.  Today Microsoft is still struggling to sell the market on its latest mobile OS -- Windows Phone 8.

Bill Gates in the interview calls Microsoft's former cellphone strategy "clearly a mistake", remarking, "There's a lot of things like cellphones where we didn't get out in the lead early.  We didn't miss cellphones, but the way that we went about it didn't allow us to get the leadership."


The tech icon says that both he and current CEO (and close friend) Steve Ballmer are both incredibly "self-critical".  He comments, "He [Ballmer] and I are not satisfied that in terms of breakthrough things that we're doing everything possible."

Steve Ballmer
Steve Ballmer's company has struggled in the mobile era, since Mr. Gates' retirement.
[Image Source: SFGate]

Mr. Gates expressed confidence, though, that it's not too late for Microsoft to claw its way to a significant mobile market share.  He's a big fan of Windows 8 and Microsoft's Surface tablet.

Microsoft is reportedly aiming to unify the Windows and Windows Phone platforms under one consistent set of mostly overlapping APIs and user interface themes, to allow users to feel more comfortable with both form factors, and to help developers save time deploying cross-platform apps.  The first unified release, Windows Blue, may land late this summer.

The revisions are also accompanied with some big leadership change.  Windows President Steven Sinofsky was driven out and new rising stars are taking his place at the company.  Some investors have called on CEO Ballmer to step down, but for now Mr. Ballmer is hanging tight in the top spot, vocal as ever.


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Windows 8 Phone is great
By Ammohunt on 2/18/2013 3:21:43 PM , Rating: 2
For being late to the game i feel Windows 8 phone OS is superior to Android in nearly every way i could not be happier with a phone OS.




RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By Tony Swash on 2/18/2013 3:44:28 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
For being late to the game i feel Windows 8 phone OS is superior to Android in nearly every way i could not be happier with a phone OS.


It maybe superior but it's losing badly. A bit like the Mac in the 1990s.


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By Mitch101 on 2/18/2013 4:24:57 PM , Rating: 1
Windows Phone 8 has gained market share in practically every country except Germany and the US every other country it has gained market share. Its also not available on every carrier yet either. Wait till the 620 line hits Canada and China and Verizon gets the 922 or the 41megapixel pureview.

iPhone lost market share in Great Britain, Spain, and Australia with more to come because the latest iPhone is a massive failure, Purple Fringe, Apple Maps, scratching, lack of memory slot, special connector, breaks easily. How many people will defect to Android or Windows Mobile after Apples latest monstrosity? Don't believe me look at the stock and what the investors are saying. Apple should be rushing to try and get a retina iPad mini, a budget iPhone, and a larger screen iPhone asap. But then what? Apple is slowly dying because innovation died when Steve passed. Now they will fragment themselves farther into markets where they will struggle and fail at market share.

If Samsung had not delivered the Galaxy S3 things might be quite different but Samsung did a nice job. I personally think the Nokia 920 is a much better and more durable device but to each their own.


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By MadMan007 on 2/18/2013 5:28:56 PM , Rating: 3
It's not so much that people are defecting, at least not en masse. Ecosystem lock-in is a powerful disincentive to change platforms. What's happening with Apple is they are not keeping up with market growth. It's more than just losing share because they once had a huge portion of the market - that is almost inevitable - they aren't even keeping up with overall market growth.

They'll continue to sell lots of devices and be popular but the halcyon days are over, for now...things change quickly in the tech world.


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By Tony Swash on 2/18/13, Rating: -1
RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By ATrigo on 2/19/2013 8:35:46 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Yet again the use of the archaic, fetishised and inaccurate market share measurement as a proxy for platform performance.


Didn't you usually abuse this same argument some time ago?


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By BabelHuber on 2/19/2013 2:26:16 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Windows Phone 8 has gained market share in practically every country except Germany and the US every other country it has gained market share.


LOL! This statement is so ridiculous!

Let's look at the 2012 sales:

quote:
2012 FULL YEAR OPERATING SYSTEM MARKET SHARES

Rank . . OS . . . . . . . . 2012 units . . share . . 2011 units . . share . . 2010 units . . share
1 (1) . . Android . . . . . 452 M . . . . . 65% . . . 208 M . . . . . 43% . . . 54 M . . . . . . 18%
2 (2) . . iOS . . . . . . . . 136 M . . . . . 20% . . . . 93 M . . . . . 19% . . . 48 M . . . . . . 16%
3 (4) . . Blackberry . . . . 33 M . . . . . .5% . . . . 52 M . . . . . 11% . . . 48 M . . . . . . 16%
4 (3) . . Symbian . . . . . 19 M . . . . . . 3% . . . 81 M . . . . . 17% . . 116 M . . . . . . 39%
5 (5) . . bada . . . . . . . . .16 M . . . . . . 2% . . . . 9 M . . . . . . 2% . . . 3 M . . . . . . . 1%
6 (6) . . Windows Phone .16 M . . . . . . 2% . . . . 5 M . . . . . . 1% . . . 2 M . . . . . . . 1%
Others . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 M . . . . . . 2%
TOTAL . . . . . . . . . . . . 695 M . . . . . . .. . . . 486 M . . . . . . . . . . . 298 M
Source: TomiAhonen Almanac 2013
This data may be freely used and repeated


Source: http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/...

Yes, WP gained market share - it rose from 1% to 2%.

If you call this a success for Microsoft, then I do not want to know what you consider a failure.


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By karlostomy on 2/19/2013 4:31:51 AM , Rating: 4
Whoa.

Android posted a massive 23% increase in market share from 42% market share to 65%, while ios posted a relatively paltry 1% increase from 19% to 20% market share.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but it looks like Android is thoroughly trouncing Apple in market share...?


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By BabelHuber on 2/19/2013 5:08:13 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly.

The 'problem' for iOS is that only relatively expensive smartphones are available.

OTOH Android covers the whole market, from sub-100$ phones to the high-end.

Also, looking at the current installed base is very interesting (same link as before):

quote:
Rank . OS Platform . . . . Units . . . Market share Was Q3 2012 . Main Manufacturers of current base
1 . . . . Android . . . . . . . 688 M . . . 53 % . . . . . . ( 48 %) . . . . . . Samsung, HTC, Huawei, Sony, ZTE, LG, Lenovo, Motorola, SonyEricsson
2 . . . . iOS . . . . . . . . . 254 M . . . 19 % . . . . . . ( 19 %) . . . . . . Apple
3 . . . . Symbian . . . . . . 191 M . . . 15 % . . . . . . ( 18 %) . . . . . . Nokia, Sharp, Panasonic, Fujitsu, Samsung, SonyEricsson
4 . . . . Blackberry . . . . 104 M . . . . 8 % . . . . . . ( 9 %) . . . . . . RIM
5 . . . . bada . . . . . . . . . . 26 M . . . 2 % . . . . . . ( 2 %) . . . . . . Samsung
6 . . . . Windows Phone . . 22 M . . . 2 % . . . . . . ( 1 %) . . . . . . Nokia, HTC, Samsung, ZTE
7 . . . . Windows Mobile . . . 7 M . 0.5 % . . . . . . ( 1 %) . . . . . . HTC, Samsung, LG, SonyEricsson, Palm, Motorola
Others . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 M . . . 1 % . . . . . . ( 1 %)
TOTAL Installed Base . 1,320 M smartphones in use at end of 2012
Source: TomiAhonen Almanac 2013
This data may be freely used and repeated


688 Million Android smartphones in use (this is without tablets etc.) and strong growth means that at some point, the installed base of Android will outgrow the installed base of Windows (which is around one billion IIRC).

So in 2014, Android could become the number 1 OS in the world regarding installed base.

This is why Microsoft is in panic mode and tries to get into the mobile market at all cost - they want to prevent Android from overtaking Windows (note that this also means that Linux would overtake Windows in the consumer space!).

But as it looks right now, MS' current strategy is not successful at all, no matter what MS Astroturfers and die-hard MS fanatics post. A fact is a fact.


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By Tony Swash on 2/19/13, Rating: -1
RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By BabelHuber on 2/19/2013 9:30:36 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
It depends what you mean by a problem. I can think of two ways a much bigger Android market share, especially one based on unit price, could be a problem for Apple.


Look, it is really simple:

Android has much higher sales and hence a higher market share. Also, the delta is still growing.

Historically, the OS with the biggest market share always attracted the most developers and hence had more software available.

Apple was able to escape this trend only because they only sell high-priced devices.

But as the delta regarding installed base of Android and iOS widens, Android catches up (= the delta in App sales shrinks).

So IMO Apple has to decide if they want to become a niche player again, or if they want to compete in the mass market.

If they do the former, it is only a matter of time until they get overtaken by Android regarding Apps downloads, App Store revenue etc.

quote:
Only Apple and Samsung are succeeding all other players are either stagnating or failing.


IIRC Samsung has ca. 40% of Android's market share. But Huawei is growing, Sony is growing, Lenovo is growing and ZTE is growing.

So while HTC and LG clearly have troubles, the Chinese Android manufacturs don't.

Samsung must be careful, the new players are nothing to laugh about.


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By Tony Swash on 2/19/2013 11:24:27 AM , Rating: 1
I think your response perfectly encapsulates the the wide spread but wrong view about what is going on in terms of platform performance in the mobile space. This statement in particular is noteworthy.

quote:
Android has much higher sales and hence a higher market share. Also, the delta is still growing.

Historically, the OS with the biggest market share always attracted the most developers and hence had more software available.


What you have done is take a proxy indicator for developer revenues (and thus developer interest), market share of units sold, that was useful in the PC markets and without really thinking it through transposed the same proxy indicator to the mobile markets where it turns out to be not at all useful.

The quickest way to illustrate how poor market share is as a proxy of revenue in the mobile space is to simply consider the figures. Android units are out selling iOS units and have been doing so for quite some time, the installed Android base is now larger than the iOS installed base. And yet Android developer revenues are only a quarter of iOS developer revenues. Why Android developer revenue is so poor compared to iOS is an interesting and intriguing question but for the sake of the issue under discussion here the important point is what are the consequences of those figures. From the developers point of view a user is only of interest if they are willing to pay for the developers product, and currently developers see several times the revenues coming from an average iOS user compared to an average Android. The consequence of this for software is that the majority platform is not hosting the best software, there are no Android only killer must-have apps and there are more high end and quality apps on iOS. The software gap is even more stark on the tablet front where iPad has 300,000 apps specifically designed for tablet use and Android has only a few hundred.

It is of course possible to claim that at some point in the future all this will change, but unless one can convincingly explain why the current disparity between the software strength of iOS and the relative software weakness of Android exists then to claim it is about to vanish is pure speculation.

It is worth noting that software strength os only one metric for measuring platform performance and that iOS out performs Android in many other measures of platform strength.


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By BabelHuber on 2/19/2013 12:17:30 PM , Rating: 2
I don't know why you selectively quotet my post:

You quoted:
quote:
Android has much higher sales and hence a higher market share. Also, the delta is still growing. Historically, the OS with the biggest market share always attracted the most developers and hence had more software available.


But you 'forgot' the second part:
quote:
Apple was able to escape this trend only because they only sell high-priced devices. But as the delta regarding installed base of Android and iOS widens, Android catches up (= the delta in App sales shrinks). So IMO Apple has to decide if they want to become a niche player again, or if they want to compete in the mass market. If they do the former, it is only a matter of time until they get overtaken by Android regarding Apps downloads, App Store revenue etc.


Got it now?

Or, to put it differently: Percentage-wise, more Apple Users seem to download paid Apps than Android-users.

The reasons for this are unimportant here (e.g. pirating, lots of third-world Android user with low-end phones etc.)

But the delta between the Android installed base and the iOS installed base gets bigger (452 Million Android phones vs. 136 Million iPhones sold in 2012).

So, as this delta gets bigger, obviously the delta regarding App Store revenue gets smaller.

So as long as Andoid outgrows iOS, it gets more and more interesting for developers.

OTOH you forget that most developers aren't trying to create the next Angry Bird.

Instead, most of them are doing work like creating Apps for other companies (e.g. banks, insurances, TV channels and whatnot).

In this area having an Android- and an iOS-App is a must anyways.


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By Cheesew1z69 on 2/19/2013 12:26:59 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I don't know why you selectively quotet my post:
Two words, Tony and Swash...


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By Tony Swash on 2/19/13, Rating: 0
RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By karlostomy on 2/20/2013 4:07:44 AM , Rating: 3


So, all I did was point out that ios is getting pummelled by Android in marketshare growth and installed userbase.

1 day later, Tony has provided us with 1100 words carefully concocting a story about how and why this is a bad thing for the Android ecosystem.

rofl.


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By robinthakur on 2/20/2013 7:51:43 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
third-world Android users


You summed it up perfectly. With phones available across all price ranges, inevitably, not everybody is buying or able to buy a Samsung Galaxy 3 or a Note 2 (the nearest thing to an iPhone equivalent in terms of processing power, and standardisation of platform for Android) and has a correspondingly lower expectation of what app and games can do. When I bought an S3 and moved from iOS I was shocked at how few decent games there were that could use the device properly and show it off, considering how much it cost. Needless to say, I bought an iPhone 5 when it got released and am still using it happily as my main phone.

The fact that games are able to be downloaded by users with less capable phones then run really badly or crash constantly probably doesn't endear the platform to them based on their experience. If you read any reviews for even something like Temple Run 2 on the Google Play Store, there are loads of people that appear not to even be able to run it. I knew there had to be a reason that whenever I see somebody with an Android phone on the underground, they are playing something incredibly basic like match the colours or something.

This could still impact iOS badly though, as developers might target low end Android devices as their preferred lead platform based on their volume, then iOS and high end Android devices would all suffer the same crappy experience.

Since the poorer users cannot be so easily monetised, they hold little appeal for developers at present, but Tony you shouldn't assume this status quo will always be in place as country's economies rise and fall. Whilst I do not disagree with your analysis of Apple's financial performance right now, how will this be impacted when every Android device looks like an iPhone in all but name (BB Z10 and HTC One for example already steal the look and feel of iPhone5's chamfered edges and segmented back) but has higher functionality. At this point, power users, aka early adopters and innovators start to migrate to the Android Platform, some of which will be developers. Apple's financial model then starts to unravel as there are no longer the users to buy the phones and the content, because their device is no longer as desirable. Apple needs to do something to make iOS desirable once again, and I'm not talking releasing a retooled Podcast player or an app to order gift cards...I'm holding out for Jonny Ives revamp of iOS's look and feel personally, but won't hold my breath based on their recent missteps.


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By Jeffk464 on 2/20/2013 9:48:49 AM , Rating: 2
Great I'm happy you prefer your iphone 5, please send me your galaxy s3


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By Mitch101 on 2/19/2013 11:33:52 AM , Rating: 3
Also consider Microsoft makes money on Android sales so Android Winning 23% more market share is 23% more royalties to Microsoft.

The only way Microsoft loses is when Apple wins and the iPhone 5 is not winning people over its turning them away.


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By spamreader1 on 2/19/2013 8:53:33 AM , Rating: 3
That's a 100% gain in market share. ;-)


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By nikon133 on 2/19/2013 4:12:05 PM , Rating: 3
Man. WP8 was released end of 2012. You think stats for whole 2012 are really realistic way to look at WP8 adoption?


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By BabelHuber on 2/19/2013 5:01:14 PM , Rating: 2
Very funny. The stats are for WP7 and WP8 combined .

WP8 did not come out of nowhere. Microsoft is in the smartphone business for 10 years now.

I've already seen the 'with WP7 it will be differnt'-hype, then the 'with WP7.5 and Nokia it will be different'-hype and the 'with WP8 it will be differnt'-hype.

So now I should believe the 'wait until WP8 gains traction'-hype?

I give you a clue: MS' current strategy does not work. Marketshare in the low single digits for 2 years in a row is nothing to brag about for a company like Microsoft.

Perhaps they can come up with a sane strategy, but MS has not much time left. I#d hurry.


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By Jeffk464 on 2/20/2013 9:42:28 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yes, WP gained market share - it rose from 1% to 2%. If you call this a success for Microsoft, then I do not want to know what you consider a failure.


It would be interesting to see how much money MS has spent developing windows phone and how much money they have made. I'm guessing its pretty disastrous.


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By Jeffk464 on 2/20/2013 9:40:08 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Purple Fringe, Apple Maps, scratching, lack of memory slot, special connector, breaks easily.


Yup, things like the special connector really piss me off. Apple goes out of their way to not be compatible with the general market. Why by a product that completely locks you into that companies "world" a more open product is better for consumers.


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By Boze on 2/18/2013 5:19:47 PM , Rating: 2
You must be talking about the late 90s when OS X was released.

Because Macs in the early 1990s were garbage and Gil Amelio knew it and so did everyone else at Apple.


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By Tony Swash on 2/18/13, Rating: -1
RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By johnsmith9875 on 2/19/2013 12:46:21 AM , Rating: 3
All Gil Amelio cared about was getting use of the Apple corporate jet. No wonder when Jobs returned he shut down the corporate offices and wood-walled boardrooms.


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By Ammohunt on 2/18/2013 6:03:54 PM , Rating: 2
Typical, Microsoft hate and down rate.


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By Mitch101 on 2/18/2013 6:30:03 PM , Rating: 4
I feel you but even I cant ignore Samsung did right with the Galaxy S3 to give Android a reputable device that deserves acknowledging. I too favor the Windows Phone OS over Android but I cant say that Androids latest is horrible its rather good.

I personally think the combination of Windows 8 Phone and the Nokia 920 is personally better than the Samsung Galaxy S3 running Android but both are great and far ahead of the iPhone.

Why I like the Nokia 920 over Galaxy S3 or iPhone
-Doesnt require constant carrier connection for maps to work so it doesnt cut heavily into my data plan.
-Touch Screen works even while wearing gloves. - I Ski.
-Best low light camera period.
-Nearly indestructible - watch the torture test videos.
-Windows Phone OS has never let me down.


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By Tony Swash on 2/18/2013 7:22:00 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Typical, Microsoft hate and down rate.


How is what I said 'hate'?

I merely pointed out that yes, Windows Phone might be a spiffing and superior OS, but it's adoption rate compared to the dominate iOS and Android phone OSs is very, very low and that that is similar position that Macs were in in the 1990s. Can anyone say that any of that is untrue?


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By wordsworm on 2/19/2013 2:27:09 AM , Rating: 2
I have a W7 phone... it was really garbage until a recent update. Now I've upgraded its value from garbage to usable. I had believed that it was abandonware, but I guess I was wrong.

That said... still waiting for the first Wintel phones to start hitting NA before I get a new one...

My wife's Android is still far superior to my W7 phone, however... wouldn't mind checking out W8 phone... but will wait for Wintel to come to NA...


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By martin5000 on 2/19/2013 4:34:38 AM , Rating: 2
I love my W8 phone. It's personal preference of course, but I really don't get what the fuss is around android.


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By JPForums on 2/19/2013 9:28:57 AM , Rating: 3
Android has become (in many ways) a polished version of what Windows Mobile strived for before Windows Phone. It is highly customizable, has a massive library of applications (some are even useful), and even supports productive use (as much as a phone can) through the use of effective voice recognition, reasonably good type correction, multitasking, etc.

Android's appeal is for people who want full control over their mobile experience and/or want a device that, while perfectly capable of good looks and entertainment, puts more emphasis on function than form. This control sometimes comes at the expense of system stability, but I haven't seen many complain. On the other hand, the carriers trying to limit Android's functionality haven't made many happy.

The iPhone seems to be for people who want a phone that puts their experience front and center. They don't want to have to work at it to adjust it to their liking, they'd rather it just work. They also get a market of useful, though slightly expensive, applications. Of course, they have to be willing to live by the rules Apple sets, but they often don't run into issues until they are too invested to care.

Windows phone attempts some compromise between the two. They allow for customization of the start page to let people personalize their phone in some way, but largely limit customization throughout the rest of the OS much like iOS. Accepted or not, WP7 fit the mantra "It just works" even more than iOS did. WP8 has taken a step back to just as stable as iOS. I guess it was a tradeoff to get the needed features in. Also note that while you can't really customize core OS functionality, any program installed on the phone (not built into the OS) can be removed. Even Android can't claim that unless you have a Nexus or have rooted the device. WP7 was locked to the Zune software, much like iOS and iTunes. However, WP8 no longer requires it. The downside here is the relatively small number of applications, though to be honest, this is becoming less of an issue as most of the big hitters have made their way to the platform.


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By Ammohunt on 2/19/2013 10:57:52 AM , Rating: 2
I upgraded to a Nokia 810 mainly because it was the best deal my carrier was offering. I am old fashioned i guess and use my phone primarily for making phone calls(I know weird!) so i typically don't give a rats ass what OS is on my phone. With this phone i am starting to change my opinion everything i found utterly annoying with android was pleasantly gone with windows 8 like the ability to un-install carrier crapware! and UI customization gone! without having to root my phone. I don't even have to suffer through nokia's apps; i can remove them completely, i don't because they are really not bad. Anyway W8 phones are pretty much everywhere now and frankly market share is not a good measure of phone OS quality.


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By AnnihilatorX on 2/19/2013 8:34:25 AM , Rating: 2
The problem with microsoft is, it is relying too much on Nokia.

Yes, Lumia is a great phone, however, stupid exclusive contracts are severing the whole Windows 8 phone growth, at least in the UK.

I was looking to get a lumia 920, but I could not find it Sim free anywhere. It was exclusive to EE, which was overpriced because it had a 4G monopoly.

The only thought I had was, Microsoft and Nokia were both not in a position to have exclusive agreements, it is limiting growth and customer choices. What on earth were they smoking I don't know, but even a moron can run the marketing side better.


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By JPForums on 2/19/2013 9:48:17 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Yes, Lumia is a great phone, however, stupid exclusive contracts are severing the whole Windows 8 phone growth, at least in the UK.
Normally you'd be correct, but Nokia is having problems keeping up with the demand the Lumia is currently generating. Rather than increase expenditures to pump out more phones (which they could easily do) and risk not being able to sell them, they've decided to play it safe. Exclusivity agreements are a great way to artificially limit availability to levels they can actually supply without increasing risk. On top of it, they get to make money off of the carriers for the exclusivity rights.

quote:
The problem with microsoft is, it is relying too much on Nokia.
True statement. Nokia alone may not be in a great position to push more phones, but Microsoft has a whole slew of partners to make up the difference. Samsung alone could push out enough phones to double Windows Phones entire market share without breaking a sweat. While HTC has a really nice WP8 available, it is curious that Samsung doesn't. The Samsung Focus was considered the classic WP7 and I believe Samsung had more WP7 models than any of their competitors, so it strikes my as a bit odd that they don't have a WP8 model yet. Many would buy it for the OLED display alone. I get the distinct feeling that Microsoft pissed them off.


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By Wolfpup on 2/19/2013 9:48:45 AM , Rating: 2
From what I used of Windows Phone 7.5 it's pretty great...has a LOT of ideas other companies could stand to copy.

Still, podcast support on iOS/syncing remains best by far on iOS, and there's no good way to back up/manage programs on anything but iOS :-/

I'm a *fan* of a lot of Windows Mobile's ideas...the problem to me was it was really buggy and super rough. Every time I tried a Windows Mobile device I'd have some different, horrible problem with it, and it was crazy that something as basic as closing a program pretty much required third party support to do (or 900 button presses lol)

I like a lot of Windows Phone, but I don't like that it's just as closed as iOS, only even worse because it doesn't sync with my PC very well (how ironic is that?) and you can't at least back up programs/manage 'em on your PC.

Not to mention there's no non-phone version.


RE: Windows 8 Phone is great
By Jeffk464 on 2/20/2013 9:37:24 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
For being late to the game i feel Windows 8 phone OS is superior to Android in nearly every way i could not be happier with a phone OS.


I have been gradually moving from MS products to google products and find that I'm always happier after the switch. Google's business model means that they aren't constantly trying to figure ways to extract money from me. I also don't have to put up with false positive's from genuine advantage. I don't see myself migrating to windows phone anytime soon. Android is in a unique position right now because they have more market support and better licensing practices than the MS product.


“And I don't know why [Apple is] acting like it’s superior. I don't even get it. What are they trying to say?” -- Bill Gates on the Mac ads














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