Sources: Microsoft , [2 via Twitter]
quote: In Windows 8 we assume that there are even more apps (and sites) than the XP/Vista/7 eras and so we needed even more scale. We also wanted to provide an at-a-glance view and a navigation model that requires much less dexterity. By using the full screen, we can now show more apps without the need to scroll or navigate hierarchy. By flattening the hierarchy, we provide a way for you to leverage the iconography of the apps and remove the burden of clicking through folders trying to find an app under its manufacturer’s name. Over time this will also address another common complaint, which is that when renaming, combining, or reorganizing folders (which you might do in order to keep the menu from wrapping) you would lose the ability to uninstall cleanly, and thus subject yourself to a periodic garbage collection of your Start menu to avoid dead links.
quote: ... the current Start menu is primarily used for launching infrequently used apps, while users continue to launch more frequently used apps from the taskbar and Explorer. In fact, 88% of app launches are from outside the Start menu today. Instead, most launches are from the taskbar (41%) and the remaining are split between Explorer and the desktop (47%). So it was clear to us that the Start menu was trending away from being useful and we had an opportunity to redesign it to make it more useful and valuable. We want to be careful in this dialog of spending a lot of energy debating what amounts to a “long tail” usage case.
quote: Bah, maybe you or someone you know tried Win8, but obviously never took the time to really learn to use it.
quote: It's infinitely inferior to the Start menu, because there's no possible way to arrange hundreds, or even dozens, of installed programs in a manner that's easy to manage and easy to use.
quote: The Start menu is the optimal form for the arrangement and access to installed programs.
quote: For anyone who actually uses their PC for actual work, and actually expects to be productive with it, the Metro interface does nothing but get in the way. It provides no benefits. There's nothing positive that it does that can't be accomplished with a plain old Windows desktop widget like what's been around since Vista, and by making it impossible to efficiently organize and access average or large numbers of applications, it prevents reasonable usage of the computer.
quote: Period. And if you have managed to convince yourself differently, you are not only in a vast minority, but likely also moderately insane. Because this is, quite simply, self-evident.
quote: Alphabetical is too challenging for you? Windows Key -> Ctrl + Tab. Or Windows Key -> type anything...
quote: As I previously mentioned and you ignored the start menu has limits on the number of applications.
quote: The start screen has no such limitation
quote: and the application list is just as it sounds, an alphabetical list of every installed application.
quote: Are you allergic to reading? Serious question. Windows 8 actually makes it EASIER to organize and manage a large number of applications. I would be delighted to hear what single screen in Windows 7 allows you to see an entire list of installed apps and manage them. By manage I mean pin them to the task bar, pin them to the start screen, and uninstall them.
quote: Once again you've supported your conclusions with literally zero evidence. The "suckiness" of Windows 8 is so self evident that you can't provide use cases to support your conclusions.
quote: The Start menu is alphabetical. In fact, an alphabetical listing of everything you have installed is optimal - that's what the Start menu is. As for your braindead re-assertion that you can "just type anything you want" - that's why we left DOS, and also, previous Windows versions do the same thing. And why, exactly, should anyone start learning more multi-key-presses to do stuff that was easy before, without such key presses? You've just proved yourself wrong in insisting that Metro makes these things easier.
quote: No, no it doesn't. There is no limit to the number of programs and program groups that the Start menu can manage for you - automatically, and in alphabetical order. Have you never used Windows before?
quote: ..really? Just how many of your Fisher-Price "tiles" do you think you're going to manage to fit on your screen? As noted many times before, if you only use your PC to do a couple things, then fine. Use your Fisher-Price kindergarten interface and be happy with it. But it is EXTREMELY limited in it's ability to organize and provide access to average or large numbers of installed programs.
quote: ...that's what the Start menu is, which is the one and only way to intelligently organize and provide access to all your programs. Putting the Metro UI on top of that does nothing but waste time as you get to the application list.
quote: OK, so apparently you actually haven't ever used Windows before - because that's what the Start menu does for you. Do you honestly think you've made a point here?
quote: It's clear that you're projecting. As can easily be seen, it is you who have provided no support to your assertions. The things you've tried to say are improvements are things Windows has done for years. Without the Fisher-Price UI on top of it, serving no purpose but to slow you down and make you less productive.ve just proved yourself wrong in insisting that Metro makes these things easier.
quote: Windows 7: Mouse to Start/Windows Key -> Mouse to All Programs -> Click on the application folder -> Click on application. Windows 8: Press Windows Key + C (or other alternatives) -> Click on application you want
quote: The start menu allows you to pin programs for quick access. This pinned list is limited. In Windows 8 the All Programs + Pinned List has been consolidated into one section.
quote: Right now across three monitors...
quote: Unless, of course, there was another way which required fewer clicks and greater control over the programs.
quote: No, it does not. It allows you to manage folders in which the applications reside. It is not nearly as easy to do any of the functions I mentioned, especially uninstall. This is especially true if you are allergic to typing or hate keyboard shortcuts. Even in Windows 7 typing the application name was faster than going through All Programs.
quote: So very very ironic. Besides, if you hate the start screen go download Start8. It's free. Just another point you've neglected to respond to. You're good at that.
quote: OMG, and I thought DT was all about people who actually know what they talk about...
quote: Apple has for years, run a closed ecosystem
quote: ... the rich graphical GUI formerly known as "Metro" ...
quote: Once you get [...] over the hate for the new UI, its OK.
quote: Faster and lightweight? Who cares?
quote: Faster and lightweight? Who cares? I have a quad core desktop with 16GB and an SSD. Windows 7 is lighting fast.
quote: ...the metro UI is there to unify the PC, the tablet, and the phone. It makes sense!
quote: the potential the metro UI is there to unify the PC, the tablet, and the phone. It makes sense!
quote: Out of the box, no, it can't.
quote: And by the way, you are joking yourself if you think Linux will be mainstream any time soon. Sorry, but to do anything with Linux you have to learn and use the terminal at some point. Talk about taking a time warp back 20 years.
quote: I actually use my PC to work every day. At this moment I have 17 windows open across three monitors. My quick launch menu has 15 applications in it. My star menu is used quite a bit. Pinning and grouping applications is pointless and slow. Metro is equally pointless and slow. My task menu has 10 applications currently listed. I use/click them all.
quote: I have a lot going on in my job. I need a desktop environment which works for me. Metro just doesn't. I don't want to spend time hacking my corporate PC to make it function like Windows 7 does flawlessly. That's unacceptable.
quote: They ignore all complaints
quote: quick launch died with XP.