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Tami Reller  (Source: winsupersite.com)
Now that new touch devices are finally being released, Microsoft expects Windows 8 sales to jump

Windows 8 has taken a lot of criticism since its release last fall, but a Microsoft executive insists that the new operating system is off to "a solid start."

Tami Reller, Microsoft's head of business and marketing for Windows, said that Windows 8 had a bit of a disadvantage in the sales area because many tablet and convertible devices running the new OS weren't available at launch.

“It’s built for a generation of new devices," said Reller. "They didn’t all come for holiday.

"We are really only just getting started. It’s a solid start.”

Last month, Microsoft bragged that it had sold 60 million Windows 8 licenses. This was great news, considering it took Windows 7 a little over three months to achieve that sales figure.

However, actual usage figures for Windows 8 are below that of Windows 7 at the same point in its release cycle and is even lower than that of Windows Vista (meaning, 60 million licenses sold doesn't equal 60 million Windows 8 devices out there).

But Reller insists that Windows 8 was made for touch devices, not just desktops -- and when more touch devices are released, Windows 8 should see a jump in sales.

Microsoft's first homemade tablet, Surface RT, hasn't seen amazing sales either. Just last week, market research firm iSuppli said Microsoft's Surface RT shipments into the channel for the fourth quarter were about 1.25 million, but sales out of the channel were only about 55-60 percent of that. This equals about 680,000-750,000 unit shipments, which is well below the 1 million mark.

Also, even though the Surface RT was released in the fourth quarter, Microsoft just missed IDC's list of top five vendors in the U.S. tablet market. Apple topped that list for the first time with its iPad.

Microsoft is releasing the Surface with Windows 8 Pro on February 9, which will feature the full version of Windows 8 instead of the Windows RT operating system (a version of Windows 8 for ARM-based tablets only).

Source: All Things D



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RE: orly?
By Reclaimer77 on 2/5/2013 11:00:49 AM , Rating: 2
No you don't understand, I *want* to like Windows 8. But I keep coming across things it does that either make no sense, or are just poorly thought out. I'm disappointed in it, because I've always believed Microsoft to be the greatest software company out there, and Windows 8 *to me* doesn't match the standards Microsoft set.

And I'm sorry but not being able to re-size my windows on, you know, an OS called WINDOWS drives me nuts!! If you have a high resolution monitor or use a large high-rez TV, Windows 8 is VERY poorly suited.

I made a list somewhere of all the stupid crap Windows 8 needs fixed, maybe I'll get it and post it.


RE: orly?
By wordsworm on 2/5/2013 1:34:00 PM , Rating: 3
Windows 8 is better than Windows 7. I can boot, shut down, and reboot my Win 8 PC 2-3x faster than a Windows 7 machine with an SSD. When I was looking for a new PC, basically I took two laptops side by side, shut them down, and started them up. When I saw W8 boot in 4-5 seconds while the W7 chugged along after about 30 seconds, I was sold on W8.

I'm not sure what you're referring to about resizing your windows. I don't know how you're doing it (or not doing it). It doesn't seem any different than before. The only things that are different, really, is that the start button is now a start screen.

I have a 23" touchscreen, but I rarely use the touch feature.

There have been a few things I had to relearn... I even had to go back to create an ad hoc server in command prompt because it's no longer a clickable option. But you know, it can still be done and it wasn't really that hard. Maybe that's because I've been using PCs since before there was Windows...?

The biggest gripe I have with W8 is that they have a closed garden apps section. I don't like closed gardens. That's why I don't like Apple. But, W7 didn't even have a separate apps section, and the rest of W8 is business as usual.

W8 is their best OS. W7 was good... very stable and solid. W8 was a bit unsteady in the first few weeks that I had it, crashing and what-not, but that's typical for early adopters. Now it's rock solid and doesn't crash.

I think if you had no OS other than W8 for awhile, and you weren't too scared of learning a few new ways of doing the old things, you'd prefer it after awhile like most of us have. Why it's gotten the bad press is beyond me.


RE: orly?
By DiscoWade on 2/5/2013 2:44:19 PM , Rating: 3
It has gotten bad press because it requires you to unlearn and then relearn how to use Windows. A hammer is not a screwdriver; a tablet is not a laptop or desktop.

Windows 8 can be very good with just one easy fix: PUT A START BUTTON BACK IN! No more unlearning and relearning. And the next thing Windows 8 needs is Aero. Although that is not as important. What we need is the Windows 7 UI with the Windows 8 performance improvements.

Before you start, I have used Windows 8 a lot. I hate it from firsthand experience. I would be grateful to you if you can show me how to open system restore in Windows 8 in three steps like you can in Windows 7 (Start -> type "system restore" -> click System Restore).


RE: orly?
By johnsmith9875 on 2/5/2013 3:22:23 PM , Rating: 5
Putting the Start Button back in would be Microsoft admitting defeat, because they know the tile interface would get ignored, their new apps market would die, and Windows 9 would be Windows 7 again.
They're putting a 2nd mortgage on the house trying to push this pig of an OS.


RE: orly?
By tayb on 2/5/2013 6:17:36 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
It has gotten bad press because it requires you to unlearn and then relearn how to use Windows. A hammer is not a screwdriver; a tablet is not a laptop or desktop.


Except that you don't need to unlearn and relearn anything. The start screen is a full screen start menu with enhanced search capabilities. It took me all over 10 seconds to decipher the complexity of it... No one forces you to use Metro. I don't EVER use it and I spend at least 8-10 hours on a computer at work every single day.

quote:
Before you start, I have used Windows 8 a lot. I hate it from firsthand experience. I would be grateful to you if you can show me how to open system restore in Windows 8 in three steps like you can in Windows 7 (Start -> type "system restore" -> click System Restore).


First off I have to wonder why ANY advanced user would ever consider using system restore. Secondly, are you sure you've used Windows 8? Because the steps to find system restore in Windows 8 are 100% exactly the same as they are in Windows 7... except Windows 8 gives you better restore options.

Hit start button -> type 'restore' (or 'system restore') -> click "Create Restore Point." If you simply type 'restore' you get options to "refresh" your PC or do a 100% fresh re-install... options that don't exist in Windows 7.


RE: orly?
By Mint on 2/8/2013 8:23:36 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Except that you don't need to unlearn and relearn anything. The start screen is a full screen start menu with enhanced search capabilities. It took me all over 10 seconds to decipher the complexity of it... No one forces you to use Metro. I don't EVER use it and I spend at least 8-10 hours on a computer at work every single day.
Precisely.

It just blows my mind that people cannot see this simple fact through the bad press. Maybe this is an Apple mentality, where options are bad for everyone if some people don't like them.

Forget Metro. Win8 is a faster, more efficient OS for DESKTOP apps. Every single time I ask someone about what's wrong with Win8, it's either something that's the same in Win8 like the guy you replied to, or they point to Metro like they're a catholic being forced to watch gay porn.


RE: orly?
By Wererat on 2/5/2013 7:11:22 PM , Rating: 2
1. Mouse to upper-right or upper left and click 'search';
2. Type 'system restore';
3. Click system restore.
(the same applies to every other application you have installed, but also works simultaneously with Win8 apps and files)


RE: orly?
By Helbore on 2/5/2013 2:04:14 PM , Rating: 2
This actually shows the main problem a lot of people seem to be having with Windows 8. They think they're supposed to be using the metro apps on a desktop PC.

You're not.

I have a desktop PC with a 30" monitor and a 55" HDTV attached to it. It runs Windows 8. I only ever use desktop apps on it. The start screen is nothing more than a big menu for all my desktop apps and I go near it about as much as I went near the start menu (ie. not often).

If using a desktop PC, use desktop apps. You'll remove 95% of the problems immediately (like wondering why you can't resize apps). Suddenly, its barely any different to Windows 7, in terms of interface.

Metro apps are specifically tailored for touchscreen devices. The whole interface is really good on my Surface and whilst I'd only use desktop apps on a desktop PC, I always gravitate towards metro apps on a 10" touchscreen. In fact, the biggest problem with Windows 8 is actually that I still have to go to the desktop to do certain things even when using a touchscreen.

So why are they the same OS? Why not have metro on Windows RT only and have Windows 8 have a purely desktop environment? The answer is hybrids. Even with my Surface, the moment I plug it into an external monitor and start using a keyboard and mouse, I'm back on the desktop and generally avoiding metro apps. Splitting between environments would be even easier with an x86-based tablet-convertible, as I could have lots of additional desktop apps installed, too.

Once you have such a device and you "get it," its pretty amazing in its capabilities. I've already got a vision of what I expect a future Surface Pro too look like. Haswell/Broadwell-based tablet with both a touch cover and a laptop-like keyboard dock, plus a full-sized desktop monitor the includes an inductive charger in the base, plus WiDi to connect to the Surface and Bluetooth mouse and keyboard.

Then you have a tablet that can easily be converted to a latop and can simply be thrown down under a monitor and become a full desktop. A tablet, laptop and desktop, without having to buy (and pay for) three separate computers.

Then the dual interface starts to make a lot of sense.


RE: orly?
By BifurcatedBoat on 2/5/2013 4:12:33 PM , Rating: 3
You're right that it doesn't make sense to use Metro on a desktop, but that's definitely not the reasoning that Microsoft hoped for. They want everyone using Metro apps so they can get developers to port their tablet/mobile apps to the platform.

Windows 8 is not and never was about or for desktop users. It's about trying to gain a foothold in tablets/mobile, and if desktop users have to be inconvenienced with an inferior experience in order to achieve those goals, so what? They have no choice; they'll live with it.


RE: orly?
By Helbore on 2/5/2013 5:52:37 PM , Rating: 2
I agree and disagree. Obviously Microsoft wanted to leverage their existing PC market dominance to attempt to stimulate development for the metro platform. There's no doubt about that.

But I disagree that it isn't about desktop users. Aside from all the additions that have no benefit to tablet devices at all (such as Storage Spaces), it is more about device convergence than tablet devices or desktop PCs. Microsoft are betting on the majority of future PCs being hybrids. When you consider how many people use laptops instead of desktops nowadays - and how many businesspeople use laptops with desktop docks - you can see their thought process.

Windows 8 is about future Pc designs, not prior/existing machines.


RE: orly?
By Wererat on 2/5/2013 7:23:24 PM , Rating: 2
I disagree with the whole premise. At the moment I have an app running in a sidebar (weather, showing me the current weather and 10-day forecast) and am typing away at this message with the rest of my 1920x1080 screen.

Also, when I want to single-task, I can use the app (e.g., Netflix app vs. Netflix in a browser window).

The thing is I've lost none of what I had with 7, and I get this additional capability. If I'm doing ordinary desktop stuff, I do. Nothing's changed (except this glorious start button everyone rants about, which is more than accomplished by the 'search' item on the right side now).

Lastly, if I really was enthralled by the tree structure of my old Start menu, I could preserve it, then pin it to my start screen. Voila, my start menu is back on my start screen. It's just a directory tree full of links, after all.


RE: orly?
By Mint on 2/8/2013 8:07:44 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
And I'm sorry but not being able to re-size my windows on, you know, an OS called WINDOWS drives me nuts!!
Dude, just IGNORE Metro apps!

How hard is it to do that? Go in, click, and you're back to the improved desktop.

wordsworm is right. Tiles are easier to click and there's vastly more items a single click away. The Win7 start menu only makes sense for a thinkpad-like trackpoint; otherwise, it's nonsensically compressed with unnecessary scrolling/clicking.


RE: orly?
By JPForums on 2/19/2013 1:55:20 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
No you don't understand, I *want* to like Windows 8.
I've read your list of issues before and I don't really disagree with you, but many of them seem to stem from your familiarity with Windows pre-8. If you truly want to like Windows 8, then you need to change your mindset. It may help to think of it as not Windows.
quote:
But I keep coming across things it does that either make no sense, or are just poorly thought out.
Understand that not everything in Windows 8 will make sense (especially at first). Given its radical change from its predecessor, not everything will be well thought out either. Instead of constantly comparing it to Windows 7, focus on how you can most effectively accomplish what you are trying to accomplish with what Windows 8 has to offer. You may just find that some of the poorly thought out decisions weren't quite as poor as you originally thought; just different.
quote:
And I'm sorry but not being able to re-size my windows on, you know, an OS called WINDOWS drives me nuts!!
For instance, instead of demanding desktop functionality from a mobile oriented application, how about using a desktop oriented application to start with.


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