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  (Source: buzzom.com)
Games played a major part in the increased revenue for both parties

Game apps for iOS pummeled Android game apps when it came to revenue for the fourth quarter, but Android is growing quickly.

According to App Annie's Index, iOS games earned 3.5 times the revenue of Android games in Q4 2012. The iOS App Store increased its overall revenue by 20 percent from Q3 to Q4 2012 while the Google Play store doubled its app revenue in the same time period. However, iOS still raked in more cash.

The top revenue makers for iOS (ordered from 1-10 on the top 10 list) included apps by Electronic Arts (EA), Supercell, Gameloft, GREE, Inc., HungHo Online Entertainment, Zynga, Kabam, NHN Corp., SQUARE ENIX and Rovio Entertainment.

For the Google Play store, game companies occupied nine out of the top 10 list for best revenue-making apps. NHN Corp. held the No. 1 spot.

The top five countries contributing to iOS app revenue were the U.S., Japan, the UK, Australia and Canada. For the Google Play store, the top three were Japan, the U.S. and South Korea.




Source: Games Industry



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RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By Gio6518 on 1/31/2013 2:57:19 PM , Rating: 0
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I guess that's why the can afford Apple's 'premium' prices.


No just fools that pay 50% more for the same apps, and that lack resonsibilities and waste money on games since they dont have any financial responsibilties....while professionals don't have time to play games....but guess you have a hard time reading posts, and are only able to read apple propaganda websites and proclaim them as gospel....... LOLOLOLOLOL


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By web2dot0 on 1/31/2013 5:57:30 PM , Rating: 1
I guess there are lot of fools ....

So if you are app developer, would you

A) Develop apps for iOS
B) Develop apps for Android

Shouldn't you be happy that there are many "people with no financial responsibilities"? Why are you making fun of PAYING CUSTOMERS?

If you are a restaurant owner, do you make fun of customers who is willing to pay premium for your food and services? I'm puzzled by your logic.

As a app developer, I don't care about apple propaganda, "people with no responsibilities". I care about customers who buy my product. Is that simple enough for your cranium?

Tell me why I should develop for Android if I can make 4X more for iOS apps?

Doesn't that concern you? .... As a android user?


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By Reclaimer77 on 1/31/13, Rating: 0
RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By web2dot0 on 2/1/2013 4:12:03 AM , Rating: 2
You don't do both because you only have time to do one jackass. If I do, what's there to discuss? I want to be rich and don't have to work too ..... jackass.

REALLY stupid ... OMG.


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By TakinYourPoints on 2/1/2013 5:50:15 AM , Rating: 3
Exactly. Putting more time and resources and money into developing for a less profitable platform is why even the largest companies continue to put Android development as a second priority (not just in terms of porting but also in terms of quality and polish) or none at all.

Even Microsoft will release their applications on iOS nearly a year before an Android port comes out, and (this surprises me) the best versions of Google Maps and Voice Search are currently iOS. It makes some sense since Google makes so much more search revenue from iOS, but still...


By RufusM on 2/1/2013 11:31:28 AM , Rating: 2
This is anecdotal, but here's my observations:

Between the iPhone and Android users I know, I'm the only Android person tuned into what's happening with the platform and apps. They have no idea what ICS and JB even are. They know they get a good experience with email, GPS and some other nice apps. They buy some apps, but some of them won't pay for an app if they can get one that's "good enough" for free, ad-supported or not.

The iPhone users I know are more tuned into what's going on with iOS and which are the best apps. My friends that own iPhones, in general, are looser with their finances and they buy more luxury items. They also buy more apps. (I don't mean they make more money that most of my other friends they just spend more on luxury goods.)

Personally, I prefer a paid app over an ad-supported app and I will pay for apps that give me value. In cases where the developer has an optional donation, I donate to them if I receive value from their app.


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By Reclaimer77 on 2/1/2013 8:42:24 PM , Rating: 2
No, not "exactly". You guys are living in a fantasy world.


By TakinYourPoints on 2/2/2013 5:21:38 AM , Rating: 2
A fantasy world where Google makes several times more ad revenue from iOS than they do from Android, where Android mobile traffic is a fraction of iOS, where the iPhone 5 doubled the GS3's mobile traffic in under a quarter, where developer profits are much higher, and where app development is much easier and more profitable.

Yes, a fantasy world.

Come on dude, nobody is telling anyone to "hate Android", its all just pointing out reality. Don't be offended by it.


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By retrospooty on 2/1/2013 1:08:10 PM , Rating: 2
"You don't do both because you only have time to do one jackass."

You should probably re-think that. Android is growing far faster than Apple and it will be the most profitable eventually... It's inevitable, there is no way around it. Per device, IOS give you more, but at some point in 2013 or 2014 there will simply be too many Android users to ignore it as a platform.

http://blog.appannie.com/app-annie-index-january-2...


By retrospooty on 2/1/2013 1:09:39 PM , Rating: 2
derp... I meant to post this link.

http://www.androidauthority.com/google-play-store-...

"Meanwhile, Google saw a 700% growth from December to January when it comes to app revenue. Overall, in Q4 2012, Google Play revenue grew 200% compared to Appleā€™s 20% growth:"


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By retrospooty on 1/31/2013 6:32:08 PM , Rating: 2
"Tell me why I should develop for Android if I can make 4X more for iOS apps?"

Because its an old stat. The more Android outsells IOS the closer we get to Parity. Based on this companies estimation it will happen by the end of this year. It may be sooner, or later, but it will happen. Android outsold IOS 2.5 to 1 in 2011 when Android sucked. Now it its 5 to 1 in 2012. 2013 is expected to be 6 to 1 or higher.

http://www.androidauthority.com/google-play-store-...


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By TakinYourPoints on 2/1/2013 5:45:34 AM , Rating: 2
Doesn't matter when so much is in the low end.

In one quarter the iPhone 5 has doubled the internet usage of the GS3, a phone that has been out for ages. There are many more iPhone 4S devices out there, iOS is a cheaper and faster platform to develop for and support, and there are way more paying customers with less piracy.

Developers and publishers do the math every day and the numbers still don't make as much sense for Android unless the game is incredibly big and mainstream, which limits them to the most casual (Angry Birds, Netflix). The number of iOS exclusives surprises even me, I thought it would be catching up more by now.

I posted a thread elsewhere with some game developers chiming about why Android continues to be a secondary development platform. One of them who did make an Android port is the developer of Plague Inc, a game that he ported months later after he'd already made millions from iOS: http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=29611011#item_2...

Here are comments from an ex-id developer that goes into specifics, and its the same stuff as before: The significant added cost of Android development isn't enough to offset the potential profits that they would get: http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=29614104#item_2...


By TakinYourPoints on 2/1/2013 7:27:45 AM , Rating: 2
Now, of course things can reach parity if Play continues to grow. What sort of a difference in total marketshare are we looking at where Android might be worth considering more often, 20:1?

It seems much more likely that it'll require low end devices to get better. There are obviously other things that would help like development and support costs needing to drop, reduced OS/hardware fragmentation, more safeguards against piracy (which would also cut into sideloading), things like that.


By Alexstarfire on 2/3/2013 9:36:20 AM , Rating: 2
Out of curiosity, why does the amount of internet usage matter?


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By web2dot0 on 2/1/2013 6:19:01 AM , Rating: 2
Does 6x1 exposure == 6x the revenue my statistic professor? :-D
You are so naive, and clearly NOT a app developer.

iOS apps are profitable because they attract people who SPENDS $$$$$. You do understand $$$$ don't yea? If you don't, please go back to your lab where you belong.

Having 6x more exposure to people who pirate software or only want to get apps for free isn't going to make you more money. Why don;t you talk to people in the industry and see what they tell you.

It's just simple math. You clearly don't understand that, so you make general assumption that more is better.

Netflix takes up 25% of all US traffic, and generate $1B is revenue .... profitability? $1.7M.
Is more better jackass? How much money can you make off people stream unlimited movies to their homes for $8.99/month?

Nut hugging Google won't make your argument stronger. Stay with facts and stats, not conjecture.


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By retrospooty on 2/1/2013 7:13:37 AM , Rating: 2
Simple math says the sames gap will over-compensate for the $. Estimations are by the end of 2013 Play store revenue will pass app store. It may be off , it could be sooner or later, but it WILL happen, it is inevitable. I posted the link 2x in this article already, check it if your curious.

I really don't care anyhow, and I'm not sure why you do. It's about what YOU get as a consumer, not what Google or Apple gets.


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By web2dot0 on 2/1/2013 2:49:11 PM , Rating: 2
It's not simple at all dumbass. Who says it will "over-compensate" you? Show me the stats.

BTW, most of the money from Android is made off games. I don't develop games, so how's that help me?

Your assessment is not based on facts or stats, but purely based on "a hunch". Go read a book or something ....

I care because I'm a developer ... or you still haven't caught on? If you don't know what you are talking about, STFU.


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By Reclaimer77 on 2/1/2013 8:50:49 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I care because I'm a developer


An extremely self obsessed arrogant self-centered one at that apparently.

quote:
I don't develop games, so how's that help me?


Like we give a shit? Seriously go get a real job!!! It's not Google and Android users responsibility to make sure you can make a living sitting your fat ass at home in your pajamas making "apps". I know real coders who could crank out in day what your slacker ass probably does in a year. They deserve a payday. You, not so much.

I dare you to tell me what app you've "developed". I bet it's some completely redundant and copy-cat piece of shit app. No wonder you wouldn't make money off Android. The typical Android user is WAY too tech-savvy to pay for something they don't have to.


By hexxthalion on 2/5/2013 6:16:06 AM , Rating: 1
"I know real coders" - man, you really have to have last word even though you talk rubbish most of the time, don't you? You were given first hand examples and explanations yet you still burry your head in the sand and repeat your skewed mantra. I am real coder and have been for a long time and you know dick about whatever you say on this topic, so yeah, I'm joining the club and am saying to you STFU!!!


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By Gio6518 on 1/31/2013 9:07:21 PM , Rating: 2
I'd make for both....but in reality it's going to be changing with market share with iphones at 14% and Android at 71% your able to market to 7 times the consumers soon to be 8 times and 9 time will be on the horizon....wait until Android tabs surpass iPad's then it will be a whole new ballgame.....but thanks for your piddly myopic view


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/31/2013 9:14:01 PM , Rating: 2
By Gio6518 on 1/31/2013 9:43:12 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Like this?


YUP


By TakinYourPoints on 2/1/2013 5:56:35 AM , Rating: 2
And another link from CNN Money: http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/01/31/apple-ipad-...

quote:
... the only thing in the data that we can be sure about is that sales of Apple's iPad grew 48.1% year over year -- from 15.1 million to 22.9 million. We and IDC know this because Apple (AAPL) reported those unit sales figures last week

The rest of IDC's report is almost entirely guesswork. It says that Samsung shipped 7.9 million tablets -- up 263% -- but doesn't say how it got those numbers. Certainly not from Samsung, which hasn't released unit sales figures for any of its devices in years.

IDC also says that Amazon (AMZN) shipped 6 million Kindles -- up 26.8%. This despite the fact that Amazon has never once said how many Kindles it sold, a policy that remained conspicuously in force during Tuesday's Q4 2012 earnings call.

As for the rest of IDC's findings, they just get more bizarre. The press release says Barnes & Noble (BKS) "gained traction" in the tablet market, but the spreadsheet shows Nook sales falling year over year. Even more startling, the release says Asus lost share, while the spreadsheet shows Asus' market share nearly tripling on sales that grew 402.5%.


IDC's figures are sketchy guesses. The only other hard numbers we have aside from sales figures from Apple are internet usage metrics. Those peg the iPad at 80%, the Kindle Fire at about 7.5%, the Galaxy Tab at 4.5%, the Galaxy Nexus at 2%, and the Microsoft Surface at 0.4%.

http://insights.chitika.com/2013/2012-holiday-mobi...

So what is it then, guesses on units shipped or actual sales figures and hard usage data?


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By web2dot0 on 2/1/2013 6:28:31 AM , Rating: 1
Why do you think Android surpassing Apple is a good thing? You want a competitive market, not a market dominated by one. You do understand capitalism and the value of competition right? Anytime someone have these kinds of "feelings", it is clear you are a Google nut hugger.

Having market share is not a good indicator of profitability. You want to attract the market segment that MAKES YOU MONEY. How do you make money off people who pirate and get their stuff for free? Why do you think Apple makes a shit load of money off their

http://www.electronista.com/articles/12/11/30/goog...

Google is improving, but let's not try and tell me that they will bridge that gap soon. It's NOT A FACT.

If Android commands 71% of the market and makes 1/4 of Apple's profit from app stores, how much more can they make? Do the math wise guy. Because I know app developers do the same. Unless of course, you don't want to make money, then of course, your logic is pretty sound.


By Reclaimer77 on 2/1/2013 8:55:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You do understand capitalism and the value of competition right?


Yes which is why I don't support companies (Apple) who engage in abusive legal campaigns with the goal of out right banning the sale of competitors products.


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By maugrimtr on 2/1/2013 8:26:19 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Tell me why I should develop for Android if I can make 4X more for iOS apps?


Somebody find an actual app developer to explain that not selling to a profitable market is STUPID beyond words. At even a 6:1 ration, selling Android apps will be profitable if you can shift units.


By TakinYourPoints on 2/2/2013 5:58:49 AM , Rating: 2
I posted a link with some developers talking about it elsewhere in the thread.

http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=29611011#item_2...

Short version: The sales from Android oftentimes aren't enough to offset the higher cost of developing for and supporting a highly fragmented platform. More time, lower sales, and time is money. Piracy is icing on the cake.

Quote from an id (an actual) developer:

quote:
For gaming, Android's hardware diversity is a curse, not a blessing. Let's say you have 200 potential devices to support (as a rough example). Of those, only 20 can actually run games at a level you'd be comfortable with. That remaining 20 has 2-3 display resolutions and graphics architectures to support, and only that same amount of phones has enough users to justify development -- but that combined group ends up being considerably smaller than the iOS group you could reach. You end up either giving up sales or building for the lowest common denominator.

iOS may have limited selection, but it's much, much, much easier to develop knowing that you'll hit a big swath of users -- including much larger media player and tablet audiences. You can also optimize your code much more effectively. Knowing that fewer people will steal your game just makes it that much easier to justify supporting iOS first or exclusively.


Another quote from the thread:

quote:
The cost of the port and support are what makes or breaks it. For some it's worth it, for us it makes so little money it's not. Right now we basically use Google Play as a feature test.


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