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Games played a major part in the increased revenue for both parties

Game apps for iOS pummeled Android game apps when it came to revenue for the fourth quarter, but Android is growing quickly.

According to App Annie's Index, iOS games earned 3.5 times the revenue of Android games in Q4 2012. The iOS App Store increased its overall revenue by 20 percent from Q3 to Q4 2012 while the Google Play store doubled its app revenue in the same time period. However, iOS still raked in more cash.

The top revenue makers for iOS (ordered from 1-10 on the top 10 list) included apps by Electronic Arts (EA), Supercell, Gameloft, GREE, Inc., HungHo Online Entertainment, Zynga, Kabam, NHN Corp., SQUARE ENIX and Rovio Entertainment.

For the Google Play store, game companies occupied nine out of the top 10 list for best revenue-making apps. NHN Corp. held the No. 1 spot.

The top five countries contributing to iOS app revenue were the U.S., Japan, the UK, Australia and Canada. For the Google Play store, the top three were Japan, the U.S. and South Korea.




Source: Games Industry



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Something odd is going on with Android
By Tony Swash on 1/31/2013 12:49:31 PM , Rating: 2
This data about gaming revenues is not surprising. The mystery of the Android low platform utilisation rates continues. Every report, every metric, every survey shows the same thing - Android users actually use their smart phones a lot less than iOS users to do platform stuff.

Why that is the case is still poorly understood, there are many competing theories, but the actuality of the phenomena is now without doubt and it has very big implications. For example it renders the market share metric moot. If Android users are doing, say, a quarter of the platform stuff that iOS users are doing then it will take the Android installed base reaching four times the iOS base to even just achieve platform parity.

I have never used an Android device for any length of time, all I have done is play briefly with various Android phones and tablets to get a feel for how they functioned, so I have no way of judging why platform utilisation rates are so low on Android. Do any committed Android users have any ideas as why people don't use their Android devices to actually do much other than make calls?




RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By Rukkian on 1/31/13, Rating: 0
RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By Tony Swash on 1/31/2013 1:41:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
while I have no idea where you are getting your info


From the internet. The data is not hidden if you choose to look.

This phenomena, much lower platform utilisation on Android compared to iOS is across all types of platform usage, it's certainly not restricted to just gaming.

To illustrate here are some data sources but there are many if you look all telling the same story.

A general overview of the different levels of iOS and Android engagement and the engagement trends

http://www.asymco.com/2012/11/26/the-android-engag...

Advertising income

http://www.opera.com/sma/2012/q2/

Digital Content

http://www.macstories.net/stories/mapping-the-ente...

Developer revenues

http://techpinions.com/android-v-ios-part-4-develo...

Web traffic

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57464763-37/appl...

Web commerce

http://www.fortune3.com/blog/2012/11/cyber-monday-...

A case study with one product on both platforms

http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/12/30/no-more-t...

Another real world example, the travel booking company Kayak iOS 3 to 1 compared to Android

http://www.businessinsider.com/kayak-ios-usage-is-...


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By Rukkian on 1/31/2013 3:08:11 PM , Rating: 2
None of those links were in your first post, which is what I what replying to. As I said, from my experience, people with iphones are a less technically savvy overall, and more willing to waste time messing around on the internet. I would not want to book a trip, or do most online shopping from my device, or any device, as I don't care to keep my phone in my hands all day long. It is simply a tool that I use when I am not home, or bored. It is not a status symbol to me, which most i-product seem to think it is. I dont need some flashy case or feel the need to show off my phone.

My phone is a tool that is used when it is the best option.

The last article you posted also pointed out a reason for some of the difference, and that is due to having lower priced phones, and the fact that many providers dont even sell dumb phones, people just take the cheapest phone, and mainly just want to do what they did on their dumb phone. Again, it is not a status symbol, it is a tool that gets used when it needs to be used.

I know you are just trying to make something good come out of this article for apple, as that is all you care about. I don't care what others use, I just know that for me, I like choices, and want competition.


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/31/2013 3:25:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I know you are just trying to make something good come out of this article for apple, as that is all you care about.
Every article... Every post..


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By retrospooty on 1/31/2013 4:46:53 PM , Rating: 2
Wait until this happens... =) snick snick

http://www.androidauthority.com/google-play-store-...


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/31/2013 4:53:20 PM , Rating: 2
"android is a failure for google"

LOL


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By retrospooty on 1/31/2013 4:55:42 PM , Rating: 3
LOL... That will go right up there with his other great line "Apple stock will hit 1000"


By Pirks on 1/31/2013 11:13:16 PM , Rating: 1
oh jeez... ballmer is fucked :(


By Fleeb on 1/31/2013 4:25:58 PM , Rating: 2
Canonical's Ubuntu is given away for free and much of the apps the come along with Linux. I guess they should just call it quits and just stop developing Ubuntu.


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By Luticus on 1/31/2013 4:28:02 PM , Rating: 2
I don't know who does these case studies or how they are conducted and I don't have time to dig through the links to find out so I won't outright dispute them. I can however offer my personal experience and what I've seen among my peers. My phone is a phone second. It does literally everything (except play games as tablet/phone games are time wasters at best). Everything from office (kingsoft), to navigation, to internet, to skype, netflix, remote pc management, ssh, sql editing, java/perl/python scripting, to straight up automation (tasker). I literally do everything with my Android phone. Many of my peers who use Android phones (most of them) all do a similar subset of things. Even my wife uses many different apps to do many different things and uses the phone part of the device significantly less.

You want to know why Android games make less money, here's why:

1) many of them have cheaper/free solutions so there's less need to pay for the expensive ones
2) piracy

That's pretty much it.


By karlostomy on 2/1/2013 6:51:54 PM , Rating: 2
agreed.

Apple is a closed shop.
iOS users are simply less technically inclined and generally do not seek out other technological means to accomplish their goals.

Further to that, Apple users only know how to use what solutions and resources apple has provided to them. Often they simply do not even know that other cheaper (and often better) solutions exist and are use what Apple dictates by default.

With this unfortunate realisation in mind, is it any wonder engagement, usage and revenue is higher on iOS?

Call it apple consumer ignorance, call it apple marketing brainwashing.
Call it what you will.
The fact Apple has their revenue stream monopolised is admittedly a stroke of business genius but also a sad reflection on the intelligence and treatment of Apple customers.

The statistics of this article and those supplied by Tony suggest that the android user base is substantially more informed about their options across all competing platforms and have more alternative resources available to them to accomplish the same thing as ios, at less cost.


By TakinYourPoints on 1/31/2013 6:01:37 PM , Rating: 2
Developer revenue from ads or microtransactions is also higher on the iOS side. Most games there are free as well, same business model.


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By Gio6518 on 1/31/13, Rating: 0
RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By Tony Swash on 1/31/2013 1:51:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
All the data really shows is the maturity rate of the typical iPhone user....more little children, unemployed, etc that don't have jobs and the time to game all day...


I guess that's why the can afford Apple's 'premium' prices.


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By Gio6518 on 1/31/13, Rating: 0
RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By web2dot0 on 1/31/2013 5:57:30 PM , Rating: 1
I guess there are lot of fools ....

So if you are app developer, would you

A) Develop apps for iOS
B) Develop apps for Android

Shouldn't you be happy that there are many "people with no financial responsibilities"? Why are you making fun of PAYING CUSTOMERS?

If you are a restaurant owner, do you make fun of customers who is willing to pay premium for your food and services? I'm puzzled by your logic.

As a app developer, I don't care about apple propaganda, "people with no responsibilities". I care about customers who buy my product. Is that simple enough for your cranium?

Tell me why I should develop for Android if I can make 4X more for iOS apps?

Doesn't that concern you? .... As a android user?


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By Reclaimer77 on 1/31/13, Rating: 0
RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By web2dot0 on 2/1/2013 4:12:03 AM , Rating: 2
You don't do both because you only have time to do one jackass. If I do, what's there to discuss? I want to be rich and don't have to work too ..... jackass.

REALLY stupid ... OMG.


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By TakinYourPoints on 2/1/2013 5:50:15 AM , Rating: 3
Exactly. Putting more time and resources and money into developing for a less profitable platform is why even the largest companies continue to put Android development as a second priority (not just in terms of porting but also in terms of quality and polish) or none at all.

Even Microsoft will release their applications on iOS nearly a year before an Android port comes out, and (this surprises me) the best versions of Google Maps and Voice Search are currently iOS. It makes some sense since Google makes so much more search revenue from iOS, but still...


By RufusM on 2/1/2013 11:31:28 AM , Rating: 2
This is anecdotal, but here's my observations:

Between the iPhone and Android users I know, I'm the only Android person tuned into what's happening with the platform and apps. They have no idea what ICS and JB even are. They know they get a good experience with email, GPS and some other nice apps. They buy some apps, but some of them won't pay for an app if they can get one that's "good enough" for free, ad-supported or not.

The iPhone users I know are more tuned into what's going on with iOS and which are the best apps. My friends that own iPhones, in general, are looser with their finances and they buy more luxury items. They also buy more apps. (I don't mean they make more money that most of my other friends they just spend more on luxury goods.)

Personally, I prefer a paid app over an ad-supported app and I will pay for apps that give me value. In cases where the developer has an optional donation, I donate to them if I receive value from their app.


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By Reclaimer77 on 2/1/2013 8:42:24 PM , Rating: 2
No, not "exactly". You guys are living in a fantasy world.


By TakinYourPoints on 2/2/2013 5:21:38 AM , Rating: 2
A fantasy world where Google makes several times more ad revenue from iOS than they do from Android, where Android mobile traffic is a fraction of iOS, where the iPhone 5 doubled the GS3's mobile traffic in under a quarter, where developer profits are much higher, and where app development is much easier and more profitable.

Yes, a fantasy world.

Come on dude, nobody is telling anyone to "hate Android", its all just pointing out reality. Don't be offended by it.


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By retrospooty on 2/1/2013 1:08:10 PM , Rating: 2
"You don't do both because you only have time to do one jackass."

You should probably re-think that. Android is growing far faster than Apple and it will be the most profitable eventually... It's inevitable, there is no way around it. Per device, IOS give you more, but at some point in 2013 or 2014 there will simply be too many Android users to ignore it as a platform.

http://blog.appannie.com/app-annie-index-january-2...


By retrospooty on 2/1/2013 1:09:39 PM , Rating: 2
derp... I meant to post this link.

http://www.androidauthority.com/google-play-store-...

"Meanwhile, Google saw a 700% growth from December to January when it comes to app revenue. Overall, in Q4 2012, Google Play revenue grew 200% compared to Apple’s 20% growth:"


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By retrospooty on 1/31/2013 6:32:08 PM , Rating: 2
"Tell me why I should develop for Android if I can make 4X more for iOS apps?"

Because its an old stat. The more Android outsells IOS the closer we get to Parity. Based on this companies estimation it will happen by the end of this year. It may be sooner, or later, but it will happen. Android outsold IOS 2.5 to 1 in 2011 when Android sucked. Now it its 5 to 1 in 2012. 2013 is expected to be 6 to 1 or higher.

http://www.androidauthority.com/google-play-store-...


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By TakinYourPoints on 2/1/2013 5:45:34 AM , Rating: 2
Doesn't matter when so much is in the low end.

In one quarter the iPhone 5 has doubled the internet usage of the GS3, a phone that has been out for ages. There are many more iPhone 4S devices out there, iOS is a cheaper and faster platform to develop for and support, and there are way more paying customers with less piracy.

Developers and publishers do the math every day and the numbers still don't make as much sense for Android unless the game is incredibly big and mainstream, which limits them to the most casual (Angry Birds, Netflix). The number of iOS exclusives surprises even me, I thought it would be catching up more by now.

I posted a thread elsewhere with some game developers chiming about why Android continues to be a secondary development platform. One of them who did make an Android port is the developer of Plague Inc, a game that he ported months later after he'd already made millions from iOS: http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=29611011#item_2...

Here are comments from an ex-id developer that goes into specifics, and its the same stuff as before: The significant added cost of Android development isn't enough to offset the potential profits that they would get: http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=29614104#item_2...


By TakinYourPoints on 2/1/2013 7:27:45 AM , Rating: 2
Now, of course things can reach parity if Play continues to grow. What sort of a difference in total marketshare are we looking at where Android might be worth considering more often, 20:1?

It seems much more likely that it'll require low end devices to get better. There are obviously other things that would help like development and support costs needing to drop, reduced OS/hardware fragmentation, more safeguards against piracy (which would also cut into sideloading), things like that.


By Alexstarfire on 2/3/2013 9:36:20 AM , Rating: 2
Out of curiosity, why does the amount of internet usage matter?


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By web2dot0 on 2/1/2013 6:19:01 AM , Rating: 2
Does 6x1 exposure == 6x the revenue my statistic professor? :-D
You are so naive, and clearly NOT a app developer.

iOS apps are profitable because they attract people who SPENDS $$$$$. You do understand $$$$ don't yea? If you don't, please go back to your lab where you belong.

Having 6x more exposure to people who pirate software or only want to get apps for free isn't going to make you more money. Why don;t you talk to people in the industry and see what they tell you.

It's just simple math. You clearly don't understand that, so you make general assumption that more is better.

Netflix takes up 25% of all US traffic, and generate $1B is revenue .... profitability? $1.7M.
Is more better jackass? How much money can you make off people stream unlimited movies to their homes for $8.99/month?

Nut hugging Google won't make your argument stronger. Stay with facts and stats, not conjecture.


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By retrospooty on 2/1/2013 7:13:37 AM , Rating: 2
Simple math says the sames gap will over-compensate for the $. Estimations are by the end of 2013 Play store revenue will pass app store. It may be off , it could be sooner or later, but it WILL happen, it is inevitable. I posted the link 2x in this article already, check it if your curious.

I really don't care anyhow, and I'm not sure why you do. It's about what YOU get as a consumer, not what Google or Apple gets.


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By web2dot0 on 2/1/2013 2:49:11 PM , Rating: 2
It's not simple at all dumbass. Who says it will "over-compensate" you? Show me the stats.

BTW, most of the money from Android is made off games. I don't develop games, so how's that help me?

Your assessment is not based on facts or stats, but purely based on "a hunch". Go read a book or something ....

I care because I'm a developer ... or you still haven't caught on? If you don't know what you are talking about, STFU.


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By Reclaimer77 on 2/1/2013 8:50:49 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I care because I'm a developer


An extremely self obsessed arrogant self-centered one at that apparently.

quote:
I don't develop games, so how's that help me?


Like we give a shit? Seriously go get a real job!!! It's not Google and Android users responsibility to make sure you can make a living sitting your fat ass at home in your pajamas making "apps". I know real coders who could crank out in day what your slacker ass probably does in a year. They deserve a payday. You, not so much.

I dare you to tell me what app you've "developed". I bet it's some completely redundant and copy-cat piece of shit app. No wonder you wouldn't make money off Android. The typical Android user is WAY too tech-savvy to pay for something they don't have to.


By hexxthalion on 2/5/2013 6:16:06 AM , Rating: 1
"I know real coders" - man, you really have to have last word even though you talk rubbish most of the time, don't you? You were given first hand examples and explanations yet you still burry your head in the sand and repeat your skewed mantra. I am real coder and have been for a long time and you know dick about whatever you say on this topic, so yeah, I'm joining the club and am saying to you STFU!!!


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By Gio6518 on 1/31/2013 9:07:21 PM , Rating: 2
I'd make for both....but in reality it's going to be changing with market share with iphones at 14% and Android at 71% your able to market to 7 times the consumers soon to be 8 times and 9 time will be on the horizon....wait until Android tabs surpass iPad's then it will be a whole new ballgame.....but thanks for your piddly myopic view


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/31/2013 9:14:01 PM , Rating: 2
By Gio6518 on 1/31/2013 9:43:12 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Like this?


YUP


By TakinYourPoints on 2/1/2013 5:56:35 AM , Rating: 2
And another link from CNN Money: http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/01/31/apple-ipad-...

quote:
... the only thing in the data that we can be sure about is that sales of Apple's iPad grew 48.1% year over year -- from 15.1 million to 22.9 million. We and IDC know this because Apple (AAPL) reported those unit sales figures last week

The rest of IDC's report is almost entirely guesswork. It says that Samsung shipped 7.9 million tablets -- up 263% -- but doesn't say how it got those numbers. Certainly not from Samsung, which hasn't released unit sales figures for any of its devices in years.

IDC also says that Amazon (AMZN) shipped 6 million Kindles -- up 26.8%. This despite the fact that Amazon has never once said how many Kindles it sold, a policy that remained conspicuously in force during Tuesday's Q4 2012 earnings call.

As for the rest of IDC's findings, they just get more bizarre. The press release says Barnes & Noble (BKS) "gained traction" in the tablet market, but the spreadsheet shows Nook sales falling year over year. Even more startling, the release says Asus lost share, while the spreadsheet shows Asus' market share nearly tripling on sales that grew 402.5%.


IDC's figures are sketchy guesses. The only other hard numbers we have aside from sales figures from Apple are internet usage metrics. Those peg the iPad at 80%, the Kindle Fire at about 7.5%, the Galaxy Tab at 4.5%, the Galaxy Nexus at 2%, and the Microsoft Surface at 0.4%.

http://insights.chitika.com/2013/2012-holiday-mobi...

So what is it then, guesses on units shipped or actual sales figures and hard usage data?


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By web2dot0 on 2/1/2013 6:28:31 AM , Rating: 1
Why do you think Android surpassing Apple is a good thing? You want a competitive market, not a market dominated by one. You do understand capitalism and the value of competition right? Anytime someone have these kinds of "feelings", it is clear you are a Google nut hugger.

Having market share is not a good indicator of profitability. You want to attract the market segment that MAKES YOU MONEY. How do you make money off people who pirate and get their stuff for free? Why do you think Apple makes a shit load of money off their

http://www.electronista.com/articles/12/11/30/goog...

Google is improving, but let's not try and tell me that they will bridge that gap soon. It's NOT A FACT.

If Android commands 71% of the market and makes 1/4 of Apple's profit from app stores, how much more can they make? Do the math wise guy. Because I know app developers do the same. Unless of course, you don't want to make money, then of course, your logic is pretty sound.


By Reclaimer77 on 2/1/2013 8:55:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You do understand capitalism and the value of competition right?


Yes which is why I don't support companies (Apple) who engage in abusive legal campaigns with the goal of out right banning the sale of competitors products.


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By maugrimtr on 2/1/2013 8:26:19 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Tell me why I should develop for Android if I can make 4X more for iOS apps?


Somebody find an actual app developer to explain that not selling to a profitable market is STUPID beyond words. At even a 6:1 ration, selling Android apps will be profitable if you can shift units.


By TakinYourPoints on 2/2/2013 5:58:49 AM , Rating: 2
I posted a link with some developers talking about it elsewhere in the thread.

http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=29611011#item_2...

Short version: The sales from Android oftentimes aren't enough to offset the higher cost of developing for and supporting a highly fragmented platform. More time, lower sales, and time is money. Piracy is icing on the cake.

Quote from an id (an actual) developer:

quote:
For gaming, Android's hardware diversity is a curse, not a blessing. Let's say you have 200 potential devices to support (as a rough example). Of those, only 20 can actually run games at a level you'd be comfortable with. That remaining 20 has 2-3 display resolutions and graphics architectures to support, and only that same amount of phones has enough users to justify development -- but that combined group ends up being considerably smaller than the iOS group you could reach. You end up either giving up sales or building for the lowest common denominator.

iOS may have limited selection, but it's much, much, much easier to develop knowing that you'll hit a big swath of users -- including much larger media player and tablet audiences. You can also optimize your code much more effectively. Knowing that fewer people will steal your game just makes it that much easier to justify supporting iOS first or exclusively.


Another quote from the thread:

quote:
The cost of the port and support are what makes or breaks it. For some it's worth it, for us it makes so little money it's not. Right now we basically use Google Play as a feature test.


By Schrag4 on 1/31/2013 5:49:11 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah, it's funny how that works - people who work hard for their money valuing it more and therefore spending it more wisely.


By TakinYourPoints on 1/31/2013 6:06:52 PM , Rating: 2
A larger percentage of Google Play revenue is from games. In some countries like South Korea about 95% of Play downloads are games. The percentage of non-game purchases is higher on the App Store, even though it is still dominated by games.


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By PsychoPif on 1/31/2013 1:13:28 PM , Rating: 2
I'm going to go out of limb here and say it's the fact that Android get most of it's market share from cheaper device. I'm gonna guess that user that pay 200$ and more for a phone have more remaining income to spend on apps than someone who choose a free phone.

A more meaningful metric for me would be the profit one game make on each platform. Let's say Angry Bird, Minecraft or other cross platform title. Because in the end, it's not the total profit by platform that will matter to me, as a developper. It's on which platform I should focus my $$ and energy that will be the best investment.

Unfortunatly, not many publisher are willing to provide that level of detail.


By aliasfox on 1/31/2013 1:27:41 PM , Rating: 2
It's also very likely that people who get free phones simply don't bother using them like smartphones - the hardware is merely a replacement for their old dumbphone, and they use it in almost the exact same way. They may play a round of Angry Birds or check their email, but that's about it.


By TakinYourPoints on 1/31/2013 6:11:03 PM , Rating: 2
There are some developer comments on a board I go to: http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=29611011#item_2...

One of them released Plague Inc, a game released first on iOS, later ported to Android, that made the developer a millionaire.

Check out out, lots of reasons why iOS has been more appealing so far.


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By bug77 on 1/31/2013 1:29:11 PM , Rating: 1
It just means Android users are not so crazy about posting everything they do on Facebook or buying the umpteenth version of Angry Birds. I'm not sure why you think Google should do anything about this. I'm not sure what "platform parity" is, much less what's its use.


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By Tony Swash on 1/31/13, Rating: 0
RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By bug77 on 1/31/2013 5:32:16 PM , Rating: 2
I don't know if you noticed, but I asked about "platform parity" (taken from your post) and you added a quote explaining "engagement".


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By retrospooty on 1/31/2013 2:32:50 PM , Rating: 2
"This data about gaming revenues is not surprising."

You are right it isnt... the iPhone is a better platform for gaming. That and it had a several year head start. Android really just got good in 2012. It's just now starting to take off internationally.

Follow this trend...

http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/01/30/new-app-an...


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By Tony Swash on 1/31/2013 3:09:04 PM , Rating: 2
Actually my point was about much broader platform usage than gaming. The data about the trend in Google Play app revenues is interesting and I think it supports the proposition that iOS out performs Android as a platform. App revenues are only catching up with iOS revenues even though Android has been outselling iOS for quite some time.

I think its plausible that when the mobile device market matures we will may well end up with a situation where iOS has an installed base of around a billion and Android has an installed base several times larger. It's also plausible, based on existing patterns of platform monetisation, that the Android ecosystem will be generating at best about the same commercial activities and revenue flows as the iOS ecosystem, which means that both ecosystems will be healthy and both will endure. The companies making the biggest profits will be in the iOS ecosystem while the Android ecosystem will support many more players but with significantly worse margins. I can't see a third OS making much headway, and I don't believe that Windows 8 on phones and tablets will get anywhere


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By retrospooty on 1/31/2013 3:39:25 PM , Rating: 2
Probably right... It would be extremely tough for a 3rd to break in at this point. At least in a highly significant way.


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By Pirks on 1/31/2013 11:22:24 PM , Rating: 2
yeah, with ballmer mostly ignoring its own wp8 by not making ANY exclsuve games for it (like exclusive mobile ports of halo or gears of war or smth big and flashy like that, better quality than say infinity blade) I tend to agree. microsoft is the worst enemy of windows phone it seems.


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By TakinYourPoints on 1/31/2013 11:52:19 PM , Rating: 2
They were their worst enemy for Windows gaming as well. Over time they shuttered their own PC game developers (Ensemble, FASA, ACES) and released the abomination that was Games For Windows Live.

This is why third parties are so important. Valve, Blizzard, and Riot are mostly responsible for keeping the PC as a vital gaming platform. WP8 needs third parties as well. iOS has everything to owe to their third party developers, absolutely everything. Without them their devices would just be simple web/email/media player machines.


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By TakinYourPoints on 2/1/2013 12:20:21 AM , Rating: 2
BTW, this is a real shame. WP8 has a great SDK and finally some good hardware behind it. Microsoft or someone could really show what the platform can do, but right now there is little incentive for developers because of low sales.

MS could at least give a little jumpstart with something cool though, you know?


RE: Something odd is going on with Android
By Pirks on 2/1/2013 2:28:43 AM , Rating: 2
For me the problem is in the chicken/egg situation where WP8 needs apps to get market share and it needs market share to get apps. Problem with MS is that they invest some money into marketing and push out WP8 in general, they support Nokia marketing and do some of their own WP8 marketing now, which is all good but they ignore the other side - apps. Marketing alone is not enough, if you want to propel your platform you have to push BOTH killer apps AND do some substantial marketing too.

I can understand why Apple or RIM don't do big time games for their phones - they are not into software/gaming business. I can understand why Google doesn't do games for Android - 'cause Google is a search engine company, they have nothing to do with games.

But Microsoft with BIG game development studios behind its own Xbox totally ignoring WP8? Not a SINGLE flashy exclusive like Halo? With all the huge talent and money Xbox studios employ? Just look at Halo 4, man this is stunning beautiful game. MS can have a fraction of the Halo 4 budget dedicated to porting Halo to WP8. EVEN JUST make it Lumia 920 exclusive or something. ANYTHING would do.

But no, there is total silence. All MS can do is push our excellent Xbox games, and not a single big time exclusive for WP8.

This is why I became pessimistic about WP8 prospects as a platform. I was thinking about getting WP8 device this Xmas or maybe January, but I'm going Android again. Two reasons: minor reason is the huge price of WP8 phone ATIV S compared to Galaxy Note, and the main reason is ignorance of MS who can't do any big budget exclusive game for its own platform.

When price for ATIV S goes down to $350 (like the Galaxy Note now) and if MS finally makes some cool game for it - I'll reconsider, 'cause I like WP8 as a platform very much, it's above Android quality wise but app selection wise... it's sad for now.

OK maybe even if Gameloft does a couple of promised games like NOVA 3, maybe then I'll try WP8, but there's nothing there at the moment. Only promises from Ballmer and nothing delivered. I'm not gonna buy WP8 just because Ballmer promised something. Screw you Ballmer! My money go to Samsung and Android again. Eat this bald loser.


By TakinYourPoints on 2/1/2013 6:05:44 AM , Rating: 2
Its why Microsoft doesn't matter to me very much as a publisher. I'm mainly a PC gamer (too much DOTA!) and they don't make games on the console that really interest me (Halo, etc).

They actually make a simple but excellent mobile game called Wordament for both WP and iOS: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/wordament/id580935...

It is crossplatform multiplayer and even has XBox Live achievements. Great game, pretty addictive, and you can get a global multiplayer experience in only a minute or two (great for phones).


By Reclaimer77 on 1/31/2013 3:40:35 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I have never used an Android device for any length of time


No shit!? Cause you really fooled a lot of us with your obvious knowledge and experience with the platform

/sarcasm


By robinthakur on 2/1/2013 2:35:54 AM , Rating: 2
It's no mystery, Apple users impulse purchase things more because they tend to have higher diposable income, make more purchases and use the internet more on their device and usually know the sort of performance they are going to get. If you don't own a galaxy phone, then performance varies a huge amount and the majority are of the cheaper variety which cannot even make the UI run fast enough on all but the latest and higher tier (jelly Bean and onwards), what hope for games? There is not that much compelling on Android to buy, certainly almost nothing which is not available to iOS in the a la Infinity Blade. I'm sure there might be tech demos or smaller games, but the gaming development ecosystem has really taken to iOS, because it is a platform which has historically rewarded them, and it did it first.


By elleehswon on 2/1/2013 10:19:40 AM , Rating: 2
i'd be willing to bet gaming profit/platform probably boils down to demographics. income and age. Youth=apple, weatlhy=apple. hence why you see self absorbed, over entitled teenagers flocking to apple.

I'd also take into consideration that there is no alternative to the apple app store on ios. there is, however, a multitude of repo's available to android (aptoid being a large one). considering there was no drm pre-ICS, app piracy was prevalent.

This does not negate market share though. when apple is only selling 500 iphones a year and android has 99.999% of the market, would you still be saying this? no.

it's not always just about the almighty dollar, tony.

If i make product A, and you make product B, and they have the same cost to manufacture and develop, and you charge 3x what i do, that doesn't mean your product is better, nor that your company is better. it just means that you're more willing to line the pockets of the shareholders than I am.


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