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Socket 754 continues to outlast socket 939

DailyTech previously reported AMD Socket 754 processors would outlast Socket 939 parts. We’ve received confirmation that Socket 754 processors will indeed be available for a couple months after the early death of Socket 939. AMD Athlon 64 3700+ and 4000+ will be the first to get the axe on July 2nd of this year. Right before 2007 rolls around AMD intends on discontinuing seven Socket 939 and 754 processors. AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+, Athlon 64 3200+ and 3000+ Socket 939 processors will cease to exist December 31st, 2006 leaving the Athlon 64 X2 4800+ as the sole Socket 939 processor available.

Athlon 64 3200+ Socket 754 parts will no longer be available either. Sempron 3300+, 3100+ and 2600+ models will also meet the same fate on December 31st. The last Socket 939 processor, the Athlon 64 X2 4800+, will be discontinued in Q2’07 with the Sempron 3400+. This leaves the Sempron 3000+ as the last Socket 754 processor available. It will last one more quarter and join other socket 754 processors in Q3’07, marking the death of socket 754.

As previously reported, Socket AM2 processors equipped with 2x1MB L2 cache are being phased out in favor for 2x512KB L2 models after a very short production run. Windsor 2x1MB parts will be shipping until December 31st, 2006. After December 31st, 2006 there will be no more Athlon 64 X2 processors with 2x1MB L2 cache for Socket AM2 available.

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Another "funny" ..
By xeizo on 6/22/2006 11:12:46 AM , Rating: 2
.. is that this policy of killing off 939, or making it less desirable to continue to upgrade, stears many consumers right towards Conroe; if one has to upgrade all the hardware anyway, why not buy the best price/performance rated cpu at the same time = Conroe?

For myself, I was very interested in a 4400+ at a reasonable price, but now there is word that it won´t be included in the expected pricedrop and then it will be discontinued.

A 3800+ is too little of an upgrade on my OC´d 3500+-system, I believe(because of multiplier+cache), and a 4800+ is too expensive ie. not much more money will buy me a Conroe+MB+DDR2-memory + it is more future-ready.

It will be hard to not go Intel on my next upgrade ...




RE: Another "funny" ..
By Scabies on 6/22/2006 11:41:30 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed, I've still yet to step up to 64bit (let's hear it for AMD's Barton lineup!) and was going to grab a whole new rig within a few months. WAS. Now that Intel has performance again and lower prices, I may be holding off even longer. My ATI 9800pro is killing me...


RE: Another "funny" ..
By drebo on 6/22/2006 2:01:02 PM , Rating: 3
Hey, woh.

Conroe isn't even out yet, and the Athlon64 3800+ AM2 processor for $150 is untouched by anything Intel has out right now under $250. How, exactly, is the price leadership by Intel?

If you're still using a Barton, you have to upgrade your memory and video card anyway. How does AMD killing off a dead intermediary platform distract you from AM2? If you need to upgrade your motherboard, video card, and processor, why NOT go with AM2?

When there's less than a $20 difference between the Athlon64 3000+ and the 3500+, why bother making the 3000+ and 3200+? Doesn't make sense. Especially when there are comperable performing Sempron64s available for the same or less.

All this sounds like to me is AMD trimming off some deadwood. They're consolidating their processors probably to work on increasing volume. When volume goes up, prices will fall even more. Nothing they're doing doesn't make sense. It's perfectly reasonable and understandable.

To say it's going to drive away prospective customers is just plain stupid. Look at the prices. Newegg lists the Athlon64 3500+ AM2 processor for $109.99. The 3000+ is listed for $92.00, and there are various Semprons mixed in. If $20 is breaking the bank for you when upgrading a computer, you probably shouldn't be upgrading your computer. It's just not economically viable for AMD to hold so many processors around such a small price range. There are 8 processors in a $50 price range, from about $60 to $110.

It's perfectly logical to cut out most of them. Leaving a low-end Sempron64 at around $60, two midrange processors at $110 and $150, and then the four 512x2 dual cores between ~$17 and $400 is brilliant and the way it should be done. That's a total of seven processor models, and there isn't a single application that one of those seven could not fulfill, from the high-end gaming rigs to $299 HP Smart Buys. What would be the point in having a ton of deadwood processors mucking up and confusing the different price and performance points?

It helps to know what you're talking about before making stupid knee-jerk reactions to good corporate moves.


RE: Another "funny" ..
By quizzelsnatch on 6/22/2006 3:16:09 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Agreed, I've still yet to step up to 64bit (let's hear it for AMD's Barton lineup!) and was going to grab a whole new rig within a few months. WAS. Now that Intel has performance again and lower prices, I may be holding off even longer. My ATI 9800pro is killing me...


How does Intel have the performance crown? Their processor isn't even out yet. That's like saying HL2 was the best game ever made 6 months before it came out. I'm not saying that Conroe ISN'T better than what AMD has, however, AMD has it's FX-62 out, Intel does not.

I'm tired of people speaking like Intel has the best processors out right now, you can't buy anything from Intel that's actually worth using (relative to AMD).
(just so you all know, I'm probably going to buy a Conroe when they come out, if I like the benchmarks)


RE: Another "funny" ..
By bob661 on 6/22/2006 12:15:08 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
is that this policy of killing off 939, or making it less desirable to continue to upgrade, stears many consumers right towards Conroe; if one has to upgrade all the hardware anyway, why not buy the best price/performance rated cpu at the same time = Conroe?
Why does this steer people towards Conroe? If you're going to buy a Conroe CPU, then buy one. You don't need AMD to "help" you make this decision.


RE: Another "funny" ..
By Alphafox78 on 6/22/2006 1:04:17 PM , Rating: 2
Its steering me twords it too. He and I were going to just upgrade to a X2, but now that the 939s are being discontinued and are pricey, why get one of them when for a little bit more you can get a conroe?


RE: Another "funny" ..
By ChronoReverse on 6/22/2006 2:47:55 PM , Rating: 2
Because if you buy an used one, it'll be incredibly cheap in comparison.

I'm pretty much waiting to see how cheap it gets and how much better the Conroe is. I have way too much DDR1 to warrant a swap to Conroe without a really compelling package.


Prices
By Frank M on 6/22/2006 7:49:39 AM , Rating: 2
Now, as these dates near, do prices ususally go up in a desperate attempt to get one of the last processors, or go down, since they now represent dead technology?





RE: Prices
By Hypernova on 6/22/2006 8:13:16 AM , Rating: 2
Usually down since new ppl who happens to buy them are left with no upgrade path.


RE: Prices
By phatboye on 6/22/2006 8:43:39 AM , Rating: 2
This sucks. I was hoping that when the AM2 socket CPUs came out that AMD would comtinue making 939 parts for a while so that the prices for the 939 parts would fall to a more affordable range so that I could upgrade to a dual core CPU. My plan was to upgrade sometime around jan 2007 but it looks like there won't be many dual core cpus left and that will probably translate into high cpu prices since the avalability of 939 cpus will be low.

I really don't want to move to AM2 just yet because that will mean that I will have to by all new DDR II ram, CPU motherboard, and a new heatsink.


RE: Prices
By armagedon on 6/22/2006 9:01:16 AM , Rating: 2
well, as i think of it, for as long as i built my computers, i've never been able to upgrade a cpu only since they always keep changing platform. Looks like the trend continue, just to make sure that you keep buying all new stuff over again.


RE: Prices
By regpfj on 6/22/2006 9:11:40 AM , Rating: 2
see [L=this link.]http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/1779_large_full...[/L] There'll be plenty of less expensive x2's available for 939, just not x2 with 1mb cache / core.


RE: Prices
By Pirks on 6/22/06, Rating: -1
Seems like SOP these days
By RogueSpear on 6/22/2006 5:31:17 PM , Rating: 2
It seems like whether it's hardware or software, current products are given their death sentence the minute something new is announced or released. Windows XP SP3 is barely even more than a proposal and already SP1a support is coming to an end.

On the other hand, Intel couldn't possibly drag out the life of NetBurst any long if they were dared to. There won't be too many tears shed when that bastard child is finally gone.




RE: Seems like SOP these days
By Randalllind on 6/22/2006 6:01:33 PM , Rating: 1
AMD really sucks. I understand the need to make money but they are killing sockets too fast. I guess I will need to buy a box 939 something in July or august then work on getting a case.


RE: Seems like SOP these days
By coldpower27 on 6/22/2006 11:42:00 PM , Rating: 2

You don't have to buy a Socket 939 processor in July, there are still plenty of models available for Socket 939

Athlon 64 3500+, 3800+

Athlon 64x2 3800+, 4200+, 4600+ and FX 60.

A 4600+ for 300 or so isn't a terrible upgrade path or anything, but it will be a worse deal compared to the E6600.


RE: Seems like SOP these days
By drebo on 6/23/2006 1:34:49 AM , Rating: 2
Interestingly enough, preliminary prices are showing up on my vendors for Intel's Core 2 Duo processors now. The least expensive one, 6300 or something like that, is listed at over $250. Considering that after price breaks, you can get a 4600 x2 for that, I'd say that AMDs will still be quite competative on a dollar-for-dollar basis.


RE: Seems like SOP these days
By coldpower27 on 6/25/2006 2:44:54 AM , Rating: 2

I wouldn't hold my breath for pricing by online retailers right now, as Core 2 Duo isn't launched yet wait till the final day and see if the online vendors match intel's listed pricing.


Price Drops ahead
By IMPoor on 6/23/2006 11:12:24 AM , Rating: 2
This is great. I have a S939 and I have been wanting to go X2 dual core. Now the price drop is coming because they are killing off the S939. Thats fine with me. I already have the board, memory, video card, etc. with my 3200+. As soon as I see a S939 X2 at a reasonable price I am buying it. Only upgrading a CPU and not everything will save me $100s. I am only hoping the price drops are as drastic as the rumors seem to state.




RE: Price Drops ahead
By drebo on 6/23/2006 11:35:00 AM , Rating: 2
Price drops on single cores have been in effect for a little over two weeks.

Price drops on dual cores are scheduled to happen about a month from now, and I see no reason to question that.


RE: Price Drops ahead
By techfuzz on 6/28/2006 4:22:32 PM , Rating: 2
IMPoor - Only the AM2 and 939 1MB cache x2's are being discontinued as of today. The 512kb cache x2's in AM2 and 939 formats continue to live on for a few more months at least. After July 23rd they'll get those price cuts that everyone has been talking about so they'll become very attractive. I plan on getting a x2 4600+ right after the price cuts.

In essence, AMD is moving most of their production into multi-core processors with a few low-end single-core budget chips and some single-core Opty's.


Hold up
By Scabies on 6/22/2006 10:19:07 AM , Rating: 2
Am I reading correctly, the image says that they are chopping some AM2s as well this year? talk about short lived...




RE: Hold up
By mxrider on 6/22/2006 10:43:34 AM , Rating: 3
Yes, but the first three are the 2x1mb X2 Windsor cores.


So Am I S.O.L.?
By Boyo on 6/23/2006 11:03:26 AM , Rating: 2
I have an X2 4400+, and now I see it is going to have a funeral. Will all support for this CPU end? No new drivers, etc.? If the price of an FX-60 comes down to earth does anyone recommend getting that. I'm not re-doing my entire system just to get socket 940, which is hardly wowing the public. Suggestions?




RE: So Am I S.O.L.?
By Wonga on 6/23/2006 12:46:02 PM , Rating: 2
Your CPU doesn't need any drivers upgrading. The only installable "driver" a CPU uses is to control the power management, which you'll only need to upgrade with a new OS. Since K8 hasn't changed fundamentally since it's birth, you can rest assured that Vista will have power management support for your CPU, either built in or through an AMD upgrade.


939 x2 3800
By ballpark on 6/22/2006 6:19:56 AM , Rating: 2
No word on the future availebility or end-of-life date??





By bighairycamel on 6/22/2006 7:39:11 AM , Rating: 2
Funny, this coincides with the dates for the price drops. At first it looked like they wanted to compete with intel, now it looks like they just want to dump their inventory.

That being said, I need to make sure I buy up some 4000+ before they are sold out indefinately. :)




939 Opteron
By shabodah on 6/22/2006 10:15:00 AM , Rating: 2
Due to the commercial nature of the 939 opteron, it would not be surprising for it to stick around longer than the regular consumer products either. So, if you wanted the 4400, you could just get a 175.




X2 3800+ lives
By Myrandex on 6/22/2006 10:42:30 AM , Rating: 2
There is no EOL date given for the X2 3800+ either, so that might stick around for a while as well. Also in reply to above, it has been posted everywhere that some AM2 CPUs with 1MB cache per core were getting the axe, but as for the cheaper end 64's on AM2 that is the first I have seen of it as well. They are going to drop the prices of their higher speed CPUs anyways so the 3500+ will probably be the same price as the 3200+ right now, and testing shows that DDR2 on the lower clocked Athlon64's isn't that great anyways.




Good for Customers
By othercents on 6/22/2006 11:01:49 AM , Rating: 2
This move is actually good for the customer. Many people who have 939 or 754 motherboards will loose their upgrade paths, but this is really going to be offset by AMD having lower production costs. But this also trickles down to motherboard manufacturers who don't have to produce 939 or 754 motherboards, and chipset manufacturers only having to produce AM2 chipsets.

Another side effect is memory. Now memory manufacturers can produce less DDR and focus in on DDR2 memory. Granted DDR probably won't go away, but the more you can mass produce of one product the lower the costs will be.

The next question is "What else does AMD have up it's sleeve?"

Other




Err
By Furen on 6/22/2006 11:02:40 AM , Rating: 2
Looking at that chart it looks like the 1MB l2 parts for both Socket 939 and AM2 are getting killed off, as are low-end (3000/3200) A64s. The X2 manchesters are not mentioned at all, and neither are the 3500+ and 3800+ single-core parts. Socket 754 is getting beat up pretty badly, though.




opteron 939, AM2
By drmo on 6/24/2006 4:55:44 PM , Rating: 2
When is the EOL of the socket 939 opterons? I guess the AM2 opterons are going to replace the 4400, 4800, etc, because those models are redundant anyway.




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