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Ford's F-Series only manges seventh place

The Prius is often the butt of automotive jokes for its oddball styling, pokey acceleration, and tree-hugging persona, but it appears that Toyota is having the last laugh -- at least in California. When the sales numbers were tallied up for 2012, the Prius reigned supreme as the best-selling vehicle in California with 60,688 units sold. In fact, over one-quarter of all Prii sold in the United States for 2012 were purchased in California.
Economical cars from Toyota and Honda made up the top five sold cars in California with the Civic, Camry, Accord, and Corolla taking second, third, fourth, and fifth place respectively. The Ford F-Series, which is the best-selling vehicle for the entire United States, only managed to place seventh on the sales list in California.
Toyota's Prius is rated at 51/48/50 (city/highway/combined), which makes it a perfect fit for California's congested highways.

“Environmental consciousness and changing trends are large contributors,” said Peter Welch, Chief Executive of the California New Car Dealers Association. “Eight years ago everyone was driving sport utilities and trucks, now it’s almost trendy to drive a fuel-efficient hybrid or plug-in.”
Toyota's Prius may be sitting high on its throne right now, but there are plenty of challengers to its hybrid dominance. Volkswagen is looking to win over some consumers who aren't sold on its TDI diesel engines with the Jetta Hybrid, and Ford has two competent hybrids -- the Fusion Hybrid and the C-MAX -- in its stable that promise 47 mpg combined (although real world results suggest otherwise).
All three of the aforementioned models achieve lofty fuel economy numbers with conventional styling that is more appealing to the masses.

Source: LA Times

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RE: Maybe...
By CCRATA on 1/23/2013 12:25:25 PM , Rating: 4
The traffic isn't that bad, at least in the bay area. Also the bay area is where you want to be if you work in tech. No other place in the US has anywhere near the job market. Seattle only has Amazon and Microsoft. Austin only has Dell and AMD, both of which are failing. RTP has almost no one. There is no where else if you want a good job market. Maybe 'alpha' males like yourself should learn to respect the environment more and stop destroying our planet to proving your heterosexual tendencies.

RE: Maybe...
By kmmatney on 1/23/2013 12:38:04 PM , Rating: 3
Yeah - it's great until you need to buy a house. I work in tech (Fab industry) and love the Silicon Valley area, and I'm out there for work all the time (10 times last year). But it's so much easier to buy a house in Colorado. And I have to say that the commute in Silicon Valley is really bad at rush hour.

RE: Maybe...
By Dr of crap on 1/23/2013 12:43:10 PM , Rating: 1
Isn't that bad - ??

How many times and for how long are you at a stop in your commute?

For my commute - that would be 0.01%. I have come to a stop but that is rare. I go the 60mph speed limit most of my way. Can you say that in your wonderful Bay Area?

RE: Maybe...
By V-Money on 1/23/2013 1:22:55 PM , Rating: 2
To bring an alternate perspective to this, I think it has to do more with weather. I was born and raised in the Bay Area (Born in San Jose, grew up in Santa Clara) and just moved from just north in Santa Rosa so I know how the traffic is. It isn't great by any means, but it's also not the worst. I currently live about 10 miles from D.C. in Maryland and I much prefer the traffic back home then here. I've also lived up in CT and it turns out the traffic is absolutely atrocious in New York at rush hour and Boston is a mess, it is the reality of living near a city.

Back to the topic at hand though, I didn't own a Prius back in Cali (I had a sports car) but I did have a motorcycle that got 70 MPG and because you can split lanes legally in Cali its perfect for commuting. The thing is though, I could ride my motorcycle year round there without a problem, I cant do that here. Because of that I swapped the car for a truck when I moved here so I have the 4 wheel drive for when I need it and the motorcycle when I don't. As for the Prius, I would never own one, but for people who want to buy one it makes sense in Cali where you can drive it year-round without any issues, whereas I wouldn't want one where it snows at all ever. Also, hybrids offer the best benefits in stop/go traffic so if you have an easy commute there is little reason to by one.

The other issue is that a lot of people in Cali are too worried about image than they should be, so instead of doing actual things to help the environment (like reducing consumption) or helping the poor (like volunteering at a soup kitchen) they buy Prius's and talk about all of the problems in the world (while offering no solutions) and live in this cloud of smugness. Don't get me wrong, I love the state and it will always be my home, but sometimes I need to just get away from the people. Prius drivers were my favorite because they would give me crap for my V-series car and how its such a waste, then I would inform them that my combined mileage (due to my motorcycle being my primary driver) was better then theirs and how it produces much less waste material when I'm done with it.

RE: Maybe...
By Samus on 1/23/2013 2:06:02 PM , Rating: 3
Chicago statistically has worse traffic than anywhere in California.

In fact Dallas, TX has worst traffic than LA.

RE: Maybe...
By Jeffk464 on 1/23/2013 10:36:19 PM , Rating: 2
Chicago has the worst everything.

RE: Maybe...
By Samus on 1/24/2013 4:18:53 AM , Rating: 2
LMAO. True, except for water!

RE: Maybe...
By JediJeb on 1/23/2013 5:55:57 PM , Rating: 2
How many times and for how long are you at a stop in your commute?

When there is a cow standing in the road once or twice a year!

Gotta love being a chemist and living in Kentucky. Even our tech jobs are out in the country.

RE: Maybe...
By Schrag4 on 1/23/2013 1:04:02 PM , Rating: 2
I don't mind visiting the bay area from time to time but that's one of the last places I'd want to live. It sounds like your state is representing you well so I'm happy for you. I can't speak for everyone, but while many of us may not live somewhere as exciting as the bay area (tech or otherwise), it's worth it in other ways.

RE: Maybe...
By stm1185 on 1/23/2013 1:15:39 PM , Rating: 1
Commute not that bad? What commute are you doing? I am doing San Jose to Palo Alto. Which is about 17 miles, yet some mornings it takes me well over an hour driving up the 101.

There are a crap ton of Prius's out here though. It's replaced the Camry as the ugly slow piece of shit that is doing 55 mph on a 65mph freeway in the far left lane.

RE: Maybe...
By OCedHrt on 1/23/2013 1:22:25 PM , Rating: 2
Why are you taking the 101 from San Jose to Palo Alto anyways?

RE: Maybe...
By sleepeeg3 on 1/23/2013 10:01:38 PM , Rating: 2
It took me around an hour to go 10 miles in Atlanta. Take it from a Californian - there is worse traffic than California. We typically just have to drive further to get where we are going, which makes it worse.

RE: Maybe...
By Jeffk464 on 1/23/2013 10:40:51 PM , Rating: 2
I drive professionally through almost every city in the US. I was born in raised in Los Angeles county and can say LA is about as bad as it gets traffic wise and tops it off by having the biggest A hole drivers.

RE: Maybe...
By arazok on 1/23/2013 1:22:33 PM , Rating: 2
If you define “the market” as being easily recognized consumer brands then perhaps you have a point. Last time I checked I could find great IT work in almost any major city in N.America. I’ve worked with some great IT companies in New York, Boston, Phoenix, Austin, Denver, and Atlanta. All places that are far less crowded and overpriced then California.

I’m thinking of making a permanent move to the US in the next couple of years. My only criteria on where I go is that it must be warm most of the year, and not be in California. I’m not worried about my prospects.

RE: Maybe...
By Reclaimer77 on 1/23/13, Rating: -1
RE: Maybe...
By arazok on 1/23/2013 8:42:10 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think so.

-Dirt cheap housing
-Between lower prices and lower taxes, I'll have 30-40% more disposable income
-Fantastic weather (Canada)
-Far Better healthcare
-I can buy booze in non-government run stores like a real adult

-Crime and guns
-Heavy handed justice system
-Public Education isn't as good, but not much worse either
-Bible nuts

Crime is the only downside, and I'm hopeful I can avoid that by choosing a good neighbourhood.

RE: Maybe...
By Spuke on 1/24/2013 10:23:12 PM , Rating: 2
Crime is the only downside, and I'm hopeful I can avoid that by choosing a good neighbourhood.
That's easy to avoid. You won't have a problem there.

RE: Maybe...
By 91TTZ on 1/23/2013 3:36:22 PM , Rating: 1
Also the bay area is where you want to be if you work in tech. No other place in the US has anywhere near the job market.

It definitely has a great job market and I was really impressed when I went out there and saw all these huge computer companies that I heard about every day.

The downside is the housing market. When you go home from work where are you going to live? For instance, take Steve Jobs' modest house growing up. This is the stereotypical suburban Californian home from the 50's

The houses in that development all go from 1.3 to 2 million dollars.

My house in PA is much bigger, I have about 4 times the amount of land, and to top if all off it's about a sixth of the price of the houses in that development. There are plenty of tech places to work around here although not nearly as many as out there.

My point is that there's more places to work out there but it's more difficult to build a life because you'll never be able to make up for the price of housing. The end result is that your standard of living will be lower.

RE: Maybe...
By JediJeb on 1/23/2013 6:01:36 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, and I thought I didn't get much of a deal when I bought my house with three acres of land for $42k.

RE: Maybe...
By Spuke on 1/24/2013 10:35:16 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, and I thought I didn't get much of a deal when I bought my house with three acres of land for $42k.
Dude I'm in the desert where it seems no one in CA wants to live and my 2000sf house on 2.5 acres costs just over $300k (today's prices...bought in 05, it was $400k then). Go 30 mins south and my same house/land is $700k. 30 more mins and it's over $1 million. We sold a horse a couple of years ago. The buyers could not believe how "cheap" our house was. In their town (Camarillo), our place would cost $8 million easy.

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