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Google's Larry Page
In short, he said their products could be better

It's not uncommon for rivals to bash one another, so Google co-founder and CEO Larry Page took a couple of jabs at Facebook and Apple in a recent interview.

In an interview with Wired, Page discussed how he wants Google to come up with some "moon shots," or far-out ideas such as the company's self-driving vehicles that recently achieved 30,000 accident-free miles.

However, Page also took the opportunity to throw a few insults at rivals Facebook and Apple. Google's social network, Google+, has been working to gain the amount of users that Facebook has while Google's Android operating system competes with Apple's iOS.

While Page recognizes that Facebook is a heavyweight in the social arena, he said, "They're also doing a really bad job on their products … we're actually doing something different [from Facebook]. I think it's outrageous to say that there's only space for one company in these areas."

Page may be a little sore that Google, which launched in 2011, hasn't quite lived up to the hype of it potentially being a Facebook rival. There are currently 500 million registered users on Google+ and only about 125 million are active monthly (compared to Facebook's one billion monthly active users as of October 2012).

Rather than become a Facebook rival, though, it looks more like Google+ has become a product incorporated into Google's search.

In November of last year, Google's Vice President of Product Bradley Horowitz spoke with Business Insider about Google+, also taking a jab at Facebook. Specifically, he targeted the social network's use of advertisements, where they're forced into people's news feeds. He even went as far as comparing Facebook ads to a guy with a sandwich board popping in between a father and his daughter during an important conversation. 

"We don't have to make next week's payroll by jamming ads at users," said Horowitz.

In the recent Wired interview, Page also had something to say about Apple's product practices. While Apple is another huge player in the mobile space, Page thinks its products are limited. 

"You know, we always have these debates: we have all this money, we have all these people, why aren't we doing more stuff?" said Page. "You may say that Apple only does a very, very small number of things, and that's working pretty well for them. But I find that unsatisfying."

Earlier this week, it was reported that Google's Nexus 7 tablet market share was greater in Japan than Apple's iPad. Market research firm BCN conducted a survey in Japan last December, and out of 2,400 consumer electronics stores in Japan, the iPad had 40.1 percent of the market while Google's Nexus 7 claimed 44.4 percent.

Source: Wired



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A whole lot of hoopla
By Nortel on 1/18/2013 12:31:40 PM , Rating: -1
Google is like a cigarette company that throws extra cash at fun projects to make them look humanitarian. Google is an advertisement company period; 99% of their revenue comes from ads. The only reason they got into Android was to push Google ads on mobile devices. They throw some cash at self driving cars and now their humanity's greatest science company? Gmail, Youtube, Maps, Analytics, Google+, etc.. were all created to push advertisements . I don't know of a single person who actually enjoys advertisements but nobody makes the connection because Google doesn't want you to. Ads are cancer, they have become so prevalent, you can't get away from them on just about any webpage, and Google just sits back and rakes all that cash in.

The Nexus devices are sold AT COST to compete with Apple. That's a pretty shameful tactic when you then turn around and publicly criticize your competition for not doing enough. Google knows if they priced their Nexus devices at a price point to actually generate revenue, there would be an exodus of users moving over to Apple.




RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By retrospooty on 1/18/2013 12:43:47 PM , Rating: 1
Yet I bet you use several of their products for free every single day.

Don't like it? Dont use it. I hear Apple maps is being worked on ;)


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By messele on 1/18/2013 2:15:05 PM , Rating: 3
To paraphrase Big Larry Google maps has room for improvement too. It's far from perfect. Nothing is perfect.


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By abzillah on 1/20/2013 10:36:23 PM , Rating: 3
Google has many great products, and they have helped move technology forward. My only issue with google is related to privacy. How is google protecting my information? I don't want to be tracked by Chrome for all the pron I watch and then get advertisement for wiener enlargement pills.


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By menting on 1/18/2013 1:10:52 PM , Rating: 3
why is selling something AT COST shameful? So you want to pay more than you can?
you know what's shameful? selling something for ~2X COST (numerous products at Apple)


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By Shig on 1/18/2013 1:11:52 PM , Rating: 2
Well Apple has over 110$ BILLION in cash reserves and Google has over 45$ BILLION in cash reserves, I think they both could be doing more and offering better dividends.


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By menting on 1/18/2013 1:14:38 PM , Rating: 5
doing more yes, but not more dividends, because that's just rewarding the investor, not the general public.


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By Nortel on 1/18/13, Rating: -1
RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By menting on 1/18/2013 2:11:38 PM , Rating: 3
my point was, what's shameful about selling ads vs selling at a huge margin?
both their goals are to make money. You harp on Google for selling close to cost and trying to make up with ad revenue, but yet think it's fine when you take it up the ass with Apple's pricing?

It's illegal to sell below cost, but when you are offsetting that with an intent to recoup through other revenue, its' not "predatory pricing" anymore.


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By messele on 1/18/2013 2:21:09 PM , Rating: 1
There's nothing wrong with selling advertising. It's a well established business.

What's not so easy to stomach is being fed advertising by a company that wants to know everything about you. They want to mine your emails, your photos, your contacts, your schedules, your contacts, your social interactions, your app usage, where your home is, your SSID, what you search for on the internet and the websites you visit, your personal documents, your business documents.

And they want to do all this for you, for free.

I'm doing a fairly good job confusing the algorithms though. The shit advertisements that are served up to me have precisely zero chance of ever getting clicked on.


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By RufusM on 1/18/2013 6:06:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And they want to do all this for you, for free.


Google doesn't take any information people aren't feeding it. If you don't want Google to mine your information, don't give it to them. Use another search engine, another email system, another mobile phone platform, etc, etc.

The fact is people derive value from Google's free services and in return Google gets paid by showing targeted ads. TV networks have been doing this for many years. Retail stores, grocery stores, etc. have been collecting information about you for years too in exchange for coupons and such.

I'm not sure why people are upset about this.


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By messele on 1/19/2013 4:02:24 PM , Rating: 2
Yes that is precisely my solution to the problem.

Except I still have concerns of this issues it could cause for all of us, whether we use it or not, further down the line. I think for a single organisation to know so much about the collective could be benign but it could also have unforeseen consequences.

Much better to have several healthy competing businesses so the information is spread about a bit and each guardian of that information is blind to each of the others. In turn each of those organisations should not have *too* varied an interest in sectors outside of search / advertising.

For the record I also avoid loyalty card schemes, coupons and anything else that allows a single organisation to know "too much" about me.


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By maugrimtr on 1/21/2013 9:27:12 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Google is playing with fire and has lined themselves up for a huge lawsuit over giving away Android for free, hard to compete with free.


Android is released under an open source license. Also, giving away stuff for free is not illegal in any way, shape or form.

Microsoft compete with Linux which is free. Has any sued Mr Torvalds now that he's a US citizen? Oracle give away Java, VitualBox and MySQL for free. Are they being sued? Microsoft gives away a free antivirus suite as a I recall. They being sued by everyone???


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By menting on 1/18/13, Rating: -1
RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By retrospooty on 1/18/2013 2:22:50 PM , Rating: 3
Dont take this guy seriously, he gets bent out of shape on any company that competes with Apple and cant handle anyone that posts anything negative about Apple. Just another one of those "Apple can do no wrong" types. He's fun to mess with though, given his mental block regarding Apple.


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By Nortel on 1/18/2013 2:55:57 PM , Rating: 2
Apple could not survive on it's iAd revenue which is only a minuscule fraction as profitable vs the ad-giant that is Google. Google is bent out of shape now that both Apple and Facebook are competing in the same space. If Facebook and Apple were integrated with Google ads, you can bet your ass they would all be playing nice.


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By retrospooty on 1/18/2013 3:08:11 PM , Rating: 2
Yes... But what is your point?

Google started as a search engine, and branched out into a ton of other things, but almost everything they do is given for free with the ad revenue being the companies main income. It's not like that is a surprise, or they ever tried to hide it.

I don't give a crap about Google, or any other company for that matter. I care about what products I can buy and what prices they are available at. Right now I like Android because right now, I can get more product and more features for less money. Money isnt really an issue, I just want the best I can get and that is Android. That may change, you never know what Apple might release, but looking at the current lineup, not a single product has equal features to an Android counterpart. I have made a line in the sand. Never again will I buy anything with a screen that is less than 1920x1080. Not a phone, not a tablet, not a laptop or a desktop LCd, or a TV for that matter. There are some seriously sweet 5 inch 1920x1080 Android models out and coming out in the next few months. Apple has nothing in the ballpark.


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By Nortel on 1/18/2013 3:26:08 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think we are on opposite sides here, I agree with you.

quote:
There are some seriously sweet 5 inch 1920x1080 Android models out and coming out in the next few months.


Apple could very well have a competitive product coming out in March so lets see how the market is feeling in April.


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By retrospooty on 1/18/2013 3:57:33 PM , Rating: 2
A large screen Apple phone would sell massive quantities. They would probably go double, so 2272x1280? I dunno though, seems unlikely. The rumours all over the place are a smaller cheaper version. In itself that is a good idea too. If I were Apple, I would do a smaller cheaper, and a bigger better. The iPhone nano and the iPhone MONDO! LOL


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By Tony Swash on 1/19/13, Rating: 0
RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By messele on 1/19/2013 4:09:20 PM , Rating: 2
I'm intrigued about this "line in the sand". Why 1920 x 1080?

What is it that makes the obviously sensible choice of 1080p for a TV necessary for a phone? Is it practicality or just some psychological decision?

Don't concern yourself with Apple not having anything of that resolution in the offing, you really are a small minority of people who 1) have a need for that resolution when you clearly cannot resolve it with your own eyesight and 2) even bother trying to do anything that necessitates that kind of resolution on something so inconvenient to us.

Like you say, you have desktops and laptops and tablets. The first two are where "features" count and actual productivity is achieved.


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By retrospooty on 1/19/2013 8:01:32 PM , Rating: 2
I admit it's a bit of overkill but better that than underkill. I have a 1280 by 720 phone now and I would like higher resolution. The reason being that i often remote into servers while I'm out and about to take care of quick problems and I need hi res to make it easier. when your remote into servers it's easy enough to pinch to zoom a high res session, but its a pain in the ass to scroll over and move the sidebar down on a low resolution one. It drives me nuts.Since today than droids are 5 inches and 1080 p that's the next thing I'll get and I won't be going lower. I don't really particularly like 16 by 9and it's not really a line in the sand based on the spec it's just based on what's available today. Wanting more than 1280 by 720 Leaves me 1920 x 1080. 1440x900 would do the job fine but it doesn't exist on a phone or tablet and its too low for a laptop


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By TakinYourPoints on 1/19/2013 8:58:07 PM , Rating: 2
Its less about resolution and more about size. He wants a big phone, and a good pixel density for something 5-6 inches would result in 1920x1080.


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By RufusM on 1/18/2013 5:55:14 PM , Rating: 3
Android is open source and free just like various Linux distros. Is Linus Torvalds going to be dragged into court over giving the Linux kernel source away?

The fact is, Google is not a monopoly as people like to claim they are. They have a large market share in search, but there's also Bing, Yahoo and many, many other global, regional and local search engines throughout the globe.

Go to dub, dub, dub thesearchenginelist dot com (wouldn't let me post the link)

Google is playing the long game, selling devices at a low margin and making up the difference in their services ecosystem, ads, etc. They are investing in Google's future by gaining market share. They aren't driving anyone out of business.


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By sprockkets on 1/20/2013 10:20:21 PM , Rating: 2
Hahaha, people complain that android isn't "free" when OEMs are sued for it due to MS and apple, and then Btch when they call it a mining platform.

What next, suing GNU and Linux for being free as well?


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By AlvinCool on 1/18/2013 1:24:15 PM , Rating: 3
"Google is like a cigarette company that throws extra cash at fun projects to make them look humanitarian. Google is an advertisement company period; 99% of their revenue comes from ads. The only reason they got into Android was to push Google ads on mobile devices."

The reason Google purchased Android was to conquer the phone market for the day, coming soon, that our phones become so powerful that they are our computers and desktops and laptops fade to oblivion. Where your home will have a pad you drop your phone on and it charges and lights up your "desktop or laptop" setup. When some one comes over they will drop their phone there and access their desktop. And isn’t it nice to have your name on 75% of all those devices?

Why do you think Microsoft is so desperate with Windows 8 that is not made for PC’s without touch? If they don’t gain market share in the phone arena they will be knocked down to size just like they kicked Novell. Android won’t do what a PC does today, but it will surpass those abilities tomorrow.


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By messele on 1/18/2013 2:30:26 PM , Rating: 2
Do us all a favour. The reason Google got into the mobile space is because they could see (actually they were told) that user time was fast migrating from desktops onto mobile devices.

Which of course is precisely what has happened.

Had they ignored this then their search would have become irrelevant as by now a huge portion of traffic they could not monitor.

So the answer is to slap together an OS based on what they knew at the time, give it away for free (which solves the problems of all the OS issues the far eastern manufacturers were having - they can sack their entire OS software team). Make yourself look like the knights in shining armour coming to everybody's rescue.

Evade any sort of regulation, subsidise preferred manufactures. Everybody loves a good, cheap deal, watch sales skyrocket and most of that lost traffic come right back again.

Don't kid yourself it's Google being nice to anybody.

Don't kid yourself that having a big screen mobile makes you productive. They suck and always will suck for doing real work compared to a decent (actually, any) laptop or desktop computer. Anybody that does not find this so must be doing some pretty trivial work. I can't even work at full productivity without multiple screens, let alone without a hard keyboard and mouse / trackpad.


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By retrospooty on 1/18/2013 3:16:13 PM , Rating: 2
"The reason Google got into the mobile space is because they could see (actually they were told) that user time was fast migrating from desktops onto mobile devices......So the answer is to slap together an OS based on what they knew at the time"

True. And early versions of Android sucked until Android 4. But now it's hands down the best mobile OS available with the most features and most hardware options supported. Thus the reason we like it. It's not about Google or anything they do, or did. Its about getting the best product you can get.


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By messele on 1/19/2013 4:21:29 PM , Rating: 1
If you want hardware options that's a fair claim but the thing that Android pushers really fail to appreciate is that these "Features" that are boasted about are largely irrelevant and most people just do not care.

Android is not selling like hot-cakes because of these features but merely because the price is right and it's way better than the phones most people had before (usually some horrible clunky Nokia or Motorola).

Don't kid yourself that most people who own Android phones (and probably iPhones and anything else modern) give a crap about niche features. They just want the thing to connect to the internet and post crud on Facebook, Twitter etc. and to be able to fire off text messages and the odd phonecall. They want to take a photograph of a bunch of crap and have it on some social media website in seconds for other people not to give a crap about.

The vocal minority on tech-sites who actually care about this stuff are barely spit in the ocean.

The other camp (me) are willing to sacrifice features that they will not use for something that has thus far proven to be utterly reliable without the bad experiences of phones they have owned in the past. No lockups, no battery pulls or hard resets, no dicking around for hours trying to get Wi-Fi to work. Flawless integration with their desktop and laptop machines.

...and a good excuse not to be everybody elses free technical support anymore.

The other gimmicks you can keep, wouldn't care to use them if I had access.


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By retrospooty on 1/19/2013 4:47:03 PM , Rating: 3
"these "Features" that are boasted about are largely irrelevant and most people just do not car"

I dont care what "most" people do. Most people are clueless with tech. I care about getting the best phone available, and these days that is on Android, by a large margin.

"The other camp (me) are willing to sacrifice features that they will not use for something that has thus far proven to be utterly reliable without the bad experiences of phones they have owned in the past. No lockups, no battery pulls or hard resets, no dicking around for hours trying to get Wi-Fi to work. Flawless integration with their desktop and laptop machines."

Fair enough if referring to Android through 2011. Android 2.x sucked and many makers had bead implementations that made it worse. However, no-one is buying a phone in 2011, at this point due to the laws of science we are all going to be buying phones in 2013 at the earliest. Now, Android has matured and caught up and doesn't have those issues. Put simply, it has the best OS and the best hardware with the most options. If you like a small phone with a great GPU and none of the other great features the iPhone is missing, then the iPhone is a great phone. What it does, it does do well. Its strong GPU is only good for one thing, gaming... And to be gaming on a tiny screen like that is really a waste to me. That and when I have time to game, I use my PC or PS3, not a phone. None of them are any good compared to PC and consoles.

Agreed some of features are useless for alot of people, but SD card is HUGE and there is no excuse to not support it for Apple. We keep hearing that the device size is more important, but that is just ridiculous. The iPhone's bezel is huge. It could easily fit 4 sd card slots.

Whatever though. Each platform has its own strengths and weaknesses. PErsonally, I wont ever but anything below 1920x1080 again. Not phone, tablet, laptop or otherwise. Apple has no products that interest me right now... That would change with an iPad mini with retina. bump up the res and SOC and that thing is really nice.


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By wordsworm on 1/20/2013 8:06:49 AM , Rating: 2
I'm holding my breath for the phone with Windows 8 on it... and no I don't mean the mobile version. Windows 8 reminds me more of Linux than ever before: fast, a little tacky, and very scalable (able to run on old or new hardware quickly). Android is the best mobile app, but full W8 on a phone would be an improvement over Android.

Now... I just wonder when Intel plans on selling phones in NA...


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By TakinYourPoints on 1/19/2013 9:02:29 PM , Rating: 2
Having the best mobile app selection and faster hardware are good features too.

No ecosystem is perfect, but that's why you pick based on your needs. If you need hardware flexibility with keyboards, huge screens, SD cards: Android. If you want better apps, better hardware (aside from some people wanting bigger screens), rock solid vendor support: iDevice.

Pros and cons, as usual.


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By epollyon on 1/21/2013 9:27:16 AM , Rating: 2
messele,
completely agree with you. i try to SSH and VNC on my iPad but its really just a toy when you are trying to do something serious. Android has been a disaster from my perspective and I wish Google would have either built their own system from scratch or gotten rid of the Java VM on the android they purchased.

In my perspective Android is a budget OS crammed with mediocre features and large performance handicap (just a fraction of the code runs natively). Google implements technologies like WebKit, java, and linux in a nice package but they are still largely a search service company.

Their software is pretty lame, in my opinion. Their philosophy is omnipresence and that is achieved through competitive pricing, open platforms, and attractive feature sets. As a google search and translation services fan, I am pretty disappointed with their OS and applications. I hope to see a make over for google. Currently, they appear as a junk drawer of products and features to me.


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By retrospooty on 1/21/2013 1:17:59 PM , Rating: 2
You are absolutely right in 2011. Unfortunately it's 2 years later now and Android hasn't just caught up with IOS, it has dramatically surpassed it. Update your perspective to the modern 5 inch 1920x1080 Androids running Jelly Bean.


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By AlvinCool on 1/18/2013 4:24:46 PM , Rating: 3
"So the answer is to slap together an OS based on what they knew at the time, give it away for free (which solves the problems of all the OS issues the far eastern manufacturers were having - they can sack their entire OS software team). Make yourself look like the knights in shining armour coming to everybody's rescue."

They didn't slap together an operating system. They purchased the Android company after funding their research to make sure they would pan out. Just like they didn't develop YouTube, they purchased it after it was developed.


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By messele on 1/19/2013 4:37:01 PM , Rating: 2
Perfectly correct, except what were Android Inc. actually working on? A BlackBerry OS clone.

The reason I said it was cobbled together is because of the massive tangent that the development took when iPhone OS became apparent. Eric Schmidt realised that Android was targeted on the present so developers were instead redirected at the future.

Release of the Beta took place late in the same year as iPhone OS which is a very short time frame and even some of the most stubborn Android advocates will now conceed that version 1.0 was very poor (though they would never have at the time).

So yes, it was cobbled together in a rush. I stand by those words and I am well aware of the history.


RE: A whole lot of hoopla
By Nyu on 1/19/2013 6:25:18 PM , Rating: 2
They aren't sold "AT COST", he "$299" Nexus 4 costs $800 in Europe.


“So far we have not seen a single Android device that does not infringe on our patents." -- Microsoft General Counsel Brad Smith

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