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  (Source: ibtimes.com)
Japan's largest business daily Nikkei said that the Nexus 7 is taking over mainly because of price

Apple's iPad is notorious for being king of the tablets, but in Japan, this may no longer be the case.

Market research firm BCN conducted a survey in Japan last December to see what the tablet market share was looking like. Out of 2,400 consumer electronics stores in Japan, the iPad had 40.1 percent of the market while Google's Nexus 7 claimed 44.4 percent.

Japan's largest business daily Nikkei said that the Nexus 7 is taking over mainly because of price. The Nexus 7 costs $199 USD while the cheapest iPad -- the iPad mini -- is $329 USD. Both the Nexus 7 and iPad mini are 7-inch tablets.

However, the report did note that some stores in Japan have run out of the iPad mini, which may have affected the results a bit.

The iPad mini features a 7.85-inch display, 1024x768 resolution, Dual-core A5 processor, Lightning connector, 5 MP rear-facing camera, 1.2 MP front-facing camera, 720p HD video, 16GB/32GB/64GB storage options, 10-hour battery life, Bluetooth 4.0, 802.11a/b/g/n Wi-Fi (802.11n 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz) and 4G LTE availability. The iPad mini starts at $329 for the 16GB version, $429 for the 32GB, and $529 for the 64GB.

Google's Nexus 7 is a tablet made by ASUS. It runs the latest version of the Android operating system, 4.1 Jelly Bean, and packs various features like a 7-inch IPS display with a 1280x800 resolution, a quad-core NVIDIA Tegra 3 processor, a 1.2 MP front-facing camera, NFC, Bluetooth, 802.11n wireless, GPS and 16GB/32GB versions. The 16GB version starts at $199 while the 32GB runs $249.99.

Source: CNET



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comparing apples to nexus
By Nortel on 1/17/2013 12:19:50 PM , Rating: 0
Ok, hold on a second. Dates, features, prices, margin and availability.

Nexus 7 released (USA/Canada): July 13, 2012
Nexus 7 released (in Japan): September 25, 2012
iPad Mini released (worldwide): November 2, 2012

The Nexus 7 has a substantial head start on sales.

Features, the Nexus 7 has a smaller screen, half the memory (8gb), no rear camera and almost all apps are not optimized for the tablet.

Price, $199 vs $329. If you simply wanted a 7" tablet, most people would go for the substantially cheaper offering.

Margin, zero vs hefty. The Nexus 7 is sold at cost, where as the iPad Mini has a large margin, allowing for actual revenue.

quote:
some stores in Japan have run out of the iPad mini, which may have affected the results a bit.

You can't sell what you don't have...

After all, we are still talking of a 4.3% difference.




RE: comparing apples to nexus
By menting on 1/17/2013 12:24:36 PM , Rating: 2
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&...

if you read the actual japanese source article, it's comparing Nexus 7 to the whole iPad market, which makes it an even bigger deal


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By menting on 1/17/2013 12:26:36 PM , Rating: 2
so it's exactly like the article stated
IPad Market Share Bested by Nexus 7 in Japan

it's not only talking about the iPad mini


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By mjv.theory on 1/17/2013 12:25:04 PM , Rating: 2
The iPad-Mini is the "cheapest" Apple tablet, but not the ONLY one.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By HavocX on 1/17/2013 12:34:11 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
half the memory (8gb)


The article got old information on the specs. The current Nexus 7 got 16 or 32 GiB memory at the same price as the old 8/16 GiB models.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By HavocX on 1/17/2013 12:41:21 PM , Rating: 2
...and the Nexus 7 do not really need tablet optimized apps, with ordinary apps already designed with big 5" phones in mind.

The need was/is much greater on iPhone 3.5" vs iPad 9.7".


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By Tony Swash on 1/17/13, Rating: 0
RE: comparing apples to nexus
By menting on 1/17/2013 12:36:09 PM , Rating: 2
lol
it's only when Apple is losing that you say surveys aren't accurate. How about all those other iphone market share surveys out there? all inaccurate too? you need to stop posting any other links other than ones from Apple's then.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By retrospooty on 1/17/2013 12:57:57 PM , Rating: 2
"it's only when Apple is losing that you say surveys aren't accurate"

LOL, he is also very observant to changes in the induistry. When the zeitgeist was moving away from MS and toward mobile/Apple, he was right on it... Of course when it favors Apple. Now that the zeitgeist is moving away from Apple, he is blind as a bat. ;)


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By retrospooty on 1/17/2013 12:43:19 PM , Rating: 3
Taking a page out of your book Tony (pasting something unrelated and irrelevant) this is interesting.

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/01/17/apple-risks...


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By maugrimtr on 1/18/2013 10:41:28 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
But it is naive to think that Apple could continue to dominate the growing market for smartphones. The company has seen its market share in the smartphone space fall from 23% at the start of last year to 14.6% by the third quarter. Apple's stock took a major dive this week, falling at one point to an 11-month low, on reports that orders for its iPhone 5 display had been cut in half from previously planned levels, noting that sales have not been up to snuff. The reports came out of Asia where Apple's iPhone is assembled. (Apple did not respond to request for comment for this story.)


For all Tony's blathering, the market is beginning to notice that Apple has run out of markets to conquer. There will, of course, be a cheaper iPhone and a cheaper iPad mini option over time. This is how companies diversify their exposure to market risk - unfortunately, Apple has been terrible at it. They focus on high-margin expensive products - cheaper options will hit at their stylish reputation and, worse, cannibalize their high end products.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By imacdonalds on 1/18/2013 5:51:19 PM , Rating: 1
What you have to realise is that Apple will continue to dominate no matter what.
Their stuff is desirable and peeps get excited about what they release, they have a cult following because they choose to think different.

Android users can wish upon a star for Apple to fail but it's not happening, they make nice profit on their items sold and they are happy with the money they have which is a huge bank balance.
I notice all Android users can do is drone on about specs most of the time which means you just don't understand why Apple is always in the limelight and highly regarded. so i'll give you MY personal opinion on why i own apple products.

The User experience far exceeds anything else out there. Stuff just works and it works really well. Apple have closed their system up in response to seeing what happened to windows products with regards to being open and vulnerable. I personally love the way there ecosystem works across all devices and to use it is a joy.

Price does not come into it as much if you are getting quality and reliability.

The excitement around Apple Keynotes is testament to how peeps love the products and you look forward to Apple's next surprise gadget.
I dont see any excitement for any other company's products like i do Apple.

It's time to stop always having a go at Apple and start enjoying your Android product if it's so good. Apple should not even be a concern to you if your android products fill your needs.
You will notice that samsung ads are aimed at Apple put downs but Apple's ads are about their products.

Just enjoy what you have and stop trying to make it seem better by putting the other guy down. It's a pointless thing to do.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By Piiman on 1/19/2013 10:22:10 AM , Rating: 2
"What you have to realise is that Apple will continue to dominate no matter what.
Their stuff is desirable and peeps get excited about what they release, they have a cult following because they choose to think different."


Thats an odd statment since its this articale that shows they are not dominate and continue to be less dominate.

They will , sooner or later, become what they have always been. A company that makes over priced products for users that are either clueless or think having an Apple product is cool. I go with clueless much like the rest of your silly post.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By retrospooty on 1/19/2013 1:19:02 PM , Rating: 2
yeah it sounds like he's talking about Apple 2007-2011, not what's going on today. today apples competition has them out maneuvered with better products at less money. That is a combo you can't beat. And as far as the user experience again 2007 to 2011... they had the advantage but not anymore. They have been caught up with and surpassed and now they're eating dust. not to say that they will be financially hurting, but the growth period is over and so is the honeymoon. there going to have to go back to the drawing board and come out with some better products and start competing again, and stay out of the courtroom.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By retrospooty on 1/17/2013 12:41:20 PM , Rating: 2
"Margin, zero vs hefty. The Nexus 7 is sold at cost, where as the iPad Mini has a large margin, allowing for actual revenue."

What of it? So, Apple makes a better profit. good for them. For people on this site (Normal consumers) Its a question of what YOU get, not what Apple or Google gets.

Nexus 7 - $199
Higher res (not by a huge margin)

iPad mini - $329
Faster CPU (not by a huge margin)
Better App support (not by a huge margin)

For what most people do with a tablet (browse the web, video content, email, apps and games) both are fairly equal, but one if priced better, and one is way too much $ for what you get. It's not a really hard one to figure out.

Why you guys care about profits is beyond me. Pay attention to what you get as a consumer.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By theapparition on 1/17/2013 12:50:43 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
iPad mini - $329
Faster CPU (not by a huge margin)
Better App support (not by a huge margin)

SoC in iPad mini is MUCH slower than Nexus 7. It's basically the iPad 2 hardware.

I have a Nexus 7 and had an iPad2. It wasn't close in usability either. But the iPad 3 I have now does fly.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By retrospooty on 1/17/2013 12:55:52 PM , Rating: 2
Is it? Dang. I thought it was fromteh iPad 3... All the more reason to not pay too much for Apple.

I have a Nexus 7 too... a WAY better bang for your buck... I wouldnt mind seeing a next gen iPad mini with a retina level lscreen and faster SOC. That might be worth $299. Defintely not this 1024x768 thing. Should be $150


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By theapparition on 1/17/2013 1:36:12 PM , Rating: 2
The iPad mini is a crime against nature. Old hardware, outdated screen and a price point that is much higher than it's competition.

Now if it had the iPad 3 or 4 SoC, a higher res screen and was priced for $329, I could see that. But they are basically warming up last weeks dinner and serving it at a black tie gala prices.

The Nexus 7, iPad3 and Transformer Prime are the kids, although I get quite a bit of time with each as they ask me to fix things or beat certain game levels. But I'm very happy with my Nexus 10. Best tablet I've ever used.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By Rukkian on 1/17/2013 2:56:12 PM , Rating: 2
While those of us that are into tech and know something think they are "a crime against nature", if it is making money for apple, then good call on their part.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By messele on 1/17/13, Rating: -1
RE: comparing apples to nexus
By Mint on 1/17/2013 6:56:51 PM , Rating: 2
The iPad mini is about one thing: form factor. It's very light weight given the screen area (10.4g per square inch, which AFAIK is much less than any other device) and has high build quality. From that lone perspective, it's a decent piece of engineering.

It sucks in every other way, however, and IMO intentionally so. Apple still wants most people to pay $500 for a tablet, so they didn't want it to be remotely competitive with the iPad3/4. They're just trying to nab some cream from the sub-$500 market and leave the rest to the others. Rational consumers aren't worth their trouble.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By Solandri on 1/18/2013 4:10:17 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The iPad mini is about one thing: form factor. It's very light weight given the screen area (10.4g per square inch, which AFAIK is much less than any other device) and has high build quality.

Its build quality is compromised by how thin and light it is. Watch the "Will It Blend?" video when he smashes the three tablets against the side of the blender. The Nexus 7 bounces back to its original shape. The Kindle HD mostly bounces back. The iPad mini instantly deforms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MMmLQlrBws#t=0m30s

It's possible to make something too thin and light. I think Apple made a mistake going for a 7.85" screen instead of 7". I'm pretty sure they did it so the long dimension of their 4:3 aspect ratio screen would be longer than the 16:10 Android devices. That way both web pages and movies would be bigger on the iPad mini than on 7" Android devices. But the price for that larger size was a device which was uncomfortable to hold in one hand. To try to make it more comfortable to hold, they cut down the weight. Structural strength suffered as a consequence.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By Mint on 1/21/2013 4:55:48 PM , Rating: 2
I meant perceived build quality, which is really all that matters for a CE device unless it's really fragile.


By TakinYourPoints on 1/19/2013 6:18:58 AM , Rating: 2
Unfortunately it won't be worth it until it gets a retina screen. Love the form factor, feels like my Kindle e-reader, but I've been spoiled by high DPI screens.

In a couple years it'll get there, for now pass.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By augiem on 1/17/2013 4:13:06 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
SoC in iPad mini is MUCH slower than Nexus 7


Those interested in GPU benchmarks:
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?D1=Apple+iP...

Mini beats Nexus in 8 benches, Nexus beats Mini in 5 benches. There were several ties as well.

Browser benchmarks:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6429/ipad-mini-revie...

Mini wins Sunspider
Nexus wins Octane and Kraken

CPU benchmarks:
http://www.laptopmag.com/review/tablet/apple_ipad_...

Linpack Multithread: iPad mini wins
Geekbench: Nexus 7 wins

I hardly see how the SoC is MUCH slower than Nexus 7. If anything, the two are pretty much equal even considering how old the iPad2 hardware is.

I'd much rather have a Nexus 7 than a mini, but I'm gonna wait another generation and see what the sequel looks like. The HW at present just isn't enticing.


By TakinYourPoints on 1/19/2013 6:23:27 AM , Rating: 2
Pretty much. Android hardware is just catching up with where the iPad was two years ago. Tegra 4 tablets, when they eventually come out, are still going to be behind the iPad 4 that Apple released in October. That said, eh, better off waiting on the mini to be upgraded. Good as it feels in the hand it doesn't seem like it'll be worth it until they double its resolution, not for $320.

I suppose its worth it for people who want the apps (they all still run great on iPad 2 level hardware) and don't mind the screen at the expense of the form factor. Retina display or bust here.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By xti on 1/17/2013 1:50:32 PM , Rating: 2
normal consumers on this site? sure you dont mean mostly enthusiast?

normal consumers are on cnet.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By retrospooty on 1/17/2013 2:14:30 PM , Rating: 2
OK, enthusiests... But the point remains. What we care about is the products we can buy. Who gives a crap if Apple, Google Samsung or anyone else made a profit or lost money on it? Its just a silly thing to keep bringin into the conversation about tech products.

"Product A has this that and the other feature and it cheaper than product B"

"Product B has only this and that feature, its missing the other but it has this and that better, that is why it costs more"


"So, the company from product B makes more profit"

It just doesnt fit.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By Tony Swash on 1/17/13, Rating: 0
RE: comparing apples to nexus
By retrospooty on 1/17/2013 3:52:42 PM , Rating: 2
"it's clear that a lot people are interested in technology trends, which companies and platforms are doing well or having problems"

BS... Tony you in particular more than anyone else uses Apple's profit as if it matters when talking about tech. "So, the company from product B makes more profit" is taken directly from you about Apple. I cant tell you how many discussions have been going on about tech, tech products, features, or whatever and your only response is "Apple makes more money" (I am paraphrasing). Its your enddless quest to make Apple appear in a better light than reality on any and all issues.

" I suggest if people post something that you don't consider relevant personally then just don't bother to read it."

Of course, you'd like that, because it would equal me not calling you on your BS. When I see you bending the truth and spinning things and making things appear differently than they are, I will call you on it.

Its a company Tony, get over it. You like the products? Great, buy them... Clearly millions of people like them and buy them. When you get into spinning every issue to make Apple sound better you will be challenged.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By Dorkyman on 1/17/2013 5:32:02 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, Apple stock dipped as low as $485 Wednesday, now at $502, way down from the peak of $705. Bummer.

Oh what a difference a few months makes. Remember how Apple was "most valuable company in history?" Look at INFLATION-ADJUSTED market cap today--MS is champ at $800B, poor Apple is just about $470B, behind MS, GE, Cisco, and Intel. Double bummer.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By Tony Swash on 1/17/13, Rating: 0
RE: comparing apples to nexus
By ritualm on 1/17/2013 10:24:09 PM , Rating: 2
You also said "If you don't buy Apple stock now, you will regret it." That was when Apple's share price was north of $600.

Except Apple's heydays were over the very moment your God - Steve Jobs - died. Now the stock is breaching south of $500.

But you'll just point to Apple's income statements and say "no no no, you are wrong, I am right, Apple is still ahead - just look at how much money it makes!" Tony, even the most jaded of anti-gun advocates can see you're BS-ing from a mile away.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By themaster08 on 1/19/2013 5:21:02 AM , Rating: 2
Ah, yes, of course, good old applesymco.com.

Seriously, Tony. Most of your posts consist of links to the same few Apple supporting sites. Of course they're going to agree with your point of view. Time to broaden your horizons a little?


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By retrospooty on 1/21/2013 7:41:31 AM , Rating: 2
"Seriously, Tony. Most of your posts consist of links to the same few Apple supporting sites. Of course they're going to agree with your point of view. Time to broaden your horizons a little?"

LOL... Tony isnt here to broaden his horizons, he is here specifically to narrow yours. In any and all situations Tony's agenda here is to make Apple appear in a better light. Thus the one sides links, spin and "half truths"


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By Tony Swash on 1/17/13, Rating: 0
RE: comparing apples to nexus
By retrospooty on 1/17/2013 7:18:30 PM , Rating: 2
"What I don't understand about your rather pompous disclaimer of any interest in the business aspect of technology "

Again, I call BS. I never said I have no interest, what I dont like is to see you take everyu discussion and end it with "So, Apple makes more profit". Stop making everything black and white. You cop out with that same BS any time anyone says anything negative about Apple, you sarcasticaly post "Apple is doomed" as if everything everyone says has to be 100% or zero. Seriously, who do you thing your fooling?


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By ritualm on 1/17/2013 10:29:04 PM , Rating: 2
You love throwing pieces of cow manure at us, thinking we'd mistake it as magical pixie dust. Yet when we return the favor, you immediately sue our pants off because we're assaulting you.

Who do you think you're fooling? You're literally and figuratively dumber than the guy who outsourced his work to Chinese programmers while hoping nobody would notice.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By themaster08 on 1/19/2013 5:24:19 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
If you really don't like discussing the business prospects of technology companies fine - piss off to another thread or keep your trap shut and let people who do want to discuss such things have a discussion uninterrupted by your vacuous piffle.
No one really was talking about the business aspect. It was you that brought it up, as always, because Apple's sales figures are all you've got to attempt to wind other posters up, but it's obviously worn itself out because no one here is interested anymore.

It's nice to bring another perspective to the table, but you constantly repeat yourself.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By xti on 1/17/2013 1:52:35 PM , Rating: 2
i would say that apple's app support is a much bigger gap than you are saying it is. I am all for google catching up but its not just a tiny gap.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By retrospooty on 1/17/2013 2:17:46 PM , Rating: 2
Not really. Most major releases are on both platform, any major function can be done on both. "there is an app for that" is kind of an understatement, because for most things on either platform there is a hundred apps for that.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By TakinYourPoints on 1/17/2013 6:24:19 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Better App support (not by a huge margin)


Whatever gap there is in phone app quality is even wider in tablets. The difference in the quality of tablet optimized applications for iOS is substantial, not even close. I know several people who own Android phones (GS3, Nexus 4) but still keep an iPad or have switched back to one because the loss of applications was too much. If all they did were basic things like web/email/Netflix then it'd be a different story.

That said, while I like the form factor of the iPad mini I absolutely hate its display. Perhaps it'll be worth looking at when they double its resolution, but right now I don't much care for it or its price.

It actually seems like that's why the price is that high to begin with, so they can keep it the same when its display and SoC are upgraded to support 2048x1536


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By menting on 1/17/2013 10:46:31 PM , Rating: 2
i know people with the exact opposite case. Depends on what apps you use I guess.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By TakinYourPoints on 1/18/2013 4:25:24 AM , Rating: 2
Android tablet and iPhone? Seems an odd pairing given that apps are even more vital with tablets, but I get it if they went with a Kindle HD or Nexus 7 based on price. $200 is a good price and the Nexus 7 is good hardware.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By retrospooty on 1/18/2013 9:18:19 AM , Rating: 1
Yes, amazingly enough people think differently than you and place priorities on different things.

Personally, I wouldn't buy any of Apple's current lineup, because on all fronts, I can get more product and more features for less money. That may change, you never know what Apple might release, but looking at the current lineup, not a single product has equal features to an Android counterpart.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By TakinYourPoints on 1/19/2013 6:13:21 AM , Rating: 2
Not equal, no, Apple's tablets are quite superior.

Best apps, best hardware. If all you do is email and watch some video then yeah, $200 is a good price for a cheap Android tablet, but by no means is it objectively better. Its like saying that a Nintendo Wii (Super Mario Galaxy notwithstanding) is superior to other consoles for being cheap.


By TakinYourPoints on 1/19/2013 6:15:38 AM , Rating: 2
Like, the app market for Android tablets are a joke in comparison.

Seeing posts from Android users asking why they don't get all the good apps is like when I hear the same from Linux users.

/forehead smack


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By retrospooty on 1/19/2013 8:35:54 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, apps are a bit better on Apple. Not news. Like I said, even with an apps advantage on a tablet, you can get more bang for your buck.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By web2dot0 on 1/18/2013 2:28:26 AM , Rating: 2
You do know that Google is making ZERO from Nexus 4/7 right? I wouldn't call it competition until they actually make profit out of it. Selling something as a non-profit organization isn't really considered competitive.

I have a Nexus 7 and a iPad Mini. I can assure you that iPad Mini is a better product. Hold it with one hand, carry it around, look at the screen and come back and talk.

Thumping your chest and being a Google apologist isn't going to make you argument any more reasonable than Lance Armstrong's interview.

If a company is not profitable, the chances are, it isn't going to last .... you can build something out of nothing. Business 101.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By theapparition on 1/17/2013 12:41:59 PM , Rating: 2
Why does every article boil down to zealots defending their choices?

As for the sales dates you mention, that is irrelevant since this article indicates sales at 2400 retail locations over an identical time period. This doesn't indicate market-share since the products went on sale. The shortage in iPad Mini's on the other hand could certainly affect the results.

Features?
The Nexus 7 can also have 16Gb or even 32Gb of memory, but not sure when/if that affects the Japanese market. It does have a slightly smaller screen, but is higher resolution. And it actually has modern hardware compared to iPad2 leftovers stuck in the mini. So you pointed out the pro's of the iPad mini, I'm just providing a counterpoint.

Finally, while selling a tablet at cost vs profit is bad for companies, it's great for consumers. You can't be seriously championing for companies profits over consumer benefit, can you?


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By Xplorer4x4 on 1/18/2013 3:16:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Finally, while selling a tablet at cost vs profit is bad for companies, it's great for consumers.

That depends on what company you are. For example, Amazon can afford such practice because it can make it's money back on the ecosystem. Heck, Apple could probably do the same. Now ASUS is a slightly different story perhaps. If Google gives them a percentage of all apps bought from those devices, then it might also be good for the company. Assuming the device is good quality, it also helps build brand loyalty.


RE: comparing apples to nexus
By kleinma on 1/17/2013 1:02:23 PM , Rating: 1
The nexus 7 now only comes in 16GB or 32GB size. They don't offer the 8GB one anymore. The 16GB is the same price the 8GB was. 32GB is +$50.


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