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This may be a sign of how iPhone demand is faring amongst the competition

The latest iPhone may not be the rockstar Apple thought it would be. The Cupertino, California-based company slashed its orders for iPhone 5 screens by about 50 percent for the first quarter of 2013, and cut orders for other iPhone components as well.

This may be a sign of how iPhone demand is faring amongst the competition. Rival hardware makers like Samsung, whose devices are coupled with Google's Android operating system, have stolen much of the smartphone market share in the U.S.

For Q3 2012, Android was the No. 1 mobile operating system with a market share of 72.4 percent (compared to 52.5 percent in Q3 2011). Apple's iOS followed far behind at 13.9 percent (compared to 15 percent in Q3 2011).

As far as hardware goes, Samsung led the Q3 2012 market share at 22.9 percent (compared to 18.7 percent in Q3 2011) and Apple sat in third place at 5.5 percent (compared to 3.9 percent in Q3 2011).

Apple recently slipped behind in China's smartphone market as well. Apple, which previously held the No. 4 spot in the Chinese mobile phone market, slipped to No. 6 in Q3 2012 due to its low number of shipments, according to research firm IDC. Out of China's 60 million mobile phone shipments in Q3, Apple's iPhone accounted for less than 10 percent.

Apple's iPhone 5 was released in September 2012 with new features like a 4-inch screen and 4G LTE connectivity. It's available in either black or white, and is priced at $199 for the 16GB model, $299 for the 32GB model, and $399 for the 64GB model with two-year contracts.

Sources: CNET, The Wall Street Journal

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RE: Prices
By Samus on 1/14/2013 1:00:18 PM , Rating: 3
I KNOW. I still can't believe the iPhone doesn't have simple things like widgets and a customizable lock screen. It's ridiculously outdated. I think when iPhone users see what modern Android (and WinMo for that matter) can do they decide to ditch IOS.

RE: Prices
By retrospooty on 1/14/2013 1:04:54 PM , Rating: 3
Yup... when 2 people are comparing phones a newer Android vs. iPhone 5, the iPhone user always winds up saying "mine cant do that either" an awful lot. What is is good at are games, and web browsing with its great GPU and great batery life whle browsing... Unfortunately those 2 things are still WAY better on a bigger screen.

RE: Prices
By Xplorer4x4 on 1/14/2013 3:15:09 PM , Rating: 3
iSheep just don't care though. I was in a VZW store last month scouting my soon to be upgrade. Actually it was more my girlfriend scouting then me. My Mind was pretty well made up. Anyway, I was curious to hear what customers and sales reps were saying. One guy in particular stood out to me above all the rest. The rep pointed out a few androids, but focused mostly on the Razr HD. The rep pointed out all the pros and most importantly pointed out it could do anything the iPhone 5 could do and more. It was obvious the guy didn't care much. When asked why he was leaning towards an iPhone 5, he simply said "I like it more." The rep finally decided he had done his part and needed to step back and let the guy go hands on for himself. The guy walks over to the Razr HD, plays with it for maybe 30 seconds, then puts it down walks to the iPhone 5, spends a few minuets playing with it before the rep comes back and the guys tell the rep he wants the iPhone5 and he is ready to check out.

In the end, iSheep just don't understand value.

RE: Prices
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/14/2013 3:24:42 PM , Rating: 2
RE: Prices
By TakinYourPoints on 1/14/2013 3:47:56 PM , Rating: 5
Some people value faster hardware, better applications, more battery life, better security, a smoother UI, and guaranteed updates and support.

Believe it or not there are actual practical advantages to iOS devices that some people may prefer, and it doesn't come down to being "iSheep".

It all comes down to what you want. If you want bigger screens and SD cards then there are other options, all comes down to preference.

RE: Prices
By retrospooty on 1/14/13, Rating: -1
RE: Prices
By EnzoFX on 1/14/2013 4:03:54 PM , Rating: 1
All the things THESE FANDROIDS care about, sorry for the caps, but they really are retardedly ignorant, are things they can only get on Android. This includes their widgets, which they can't seem to understand why everyone wouldn't want to fill their screen's pixels with all widgets everywhere. Or to run some root app that most people don't care about and even they have little use for...

RE: Prices
By retrospooty on 1/14/2013 4:12:07 PM , Rating: 2
So, Larger screens, higher res, NFC, SD card, mini HDMI, removable battery, and not wanting a gigantic bezel like iPhone are all retardedly ignorant?

Hmm... Go figure.

RE: Prices
By TakinYourPoints on 1/14/2013 4:17:33 PM , Rating: 2
The iPhone 5 has a big bezel now, really?

I don't respond to your posts because I disagree with your product choice, I think Android phones are right for many people. Its that you have a slight tendency to bend reality and make things up. Its really strange.

RE: Prices
By retrospooty on 1/14/2013 4:21:03 PM , Rating: 2
Yup... But it always did. I challenge you to find a 2012/2013 phone that has a worse screen size to bezel ratio. You talk about size and ergonomics, but its fine to waste all that space. When they said the iPhone 5 would have a widescreen without getting bigger, I assumed they were utilizing some of that wasted space, but they didnt. They just made it taller.

RE: Prices
By BillyBatson on 1/14/2013 7:04:39 PM , Rating: 2
Retro, it's stil about preference.
It doesn't matter what phone I get android vs iOS vs wp8, I still don't want a large screen 4" on the ip5 is plenty big for me with 3.5-4" being the sweet spot for me it's more comfortable in my hand and fits better in my jeans pockets. I do NOT want an SD card slot I don't need it I won't ever use it and it will just collect dust or the dust cover oven breaks off and I'm left with a gaping hole. Doesn't really want mini hdmi again i won't use it I had a video out cable for my old 30 pin device and I never used it having it built in wouldn't get me to use it and again the port would collect dust. I do NOT want a removable battery!!!!! Even for older phones I owned I never ever bought a spare or extended battery and that isn't going to change but I have dropped my phones causing the batteries to pop out many many times not to mention a removable backplate makes a product feel much cheaper than 1 solid piece. I don't notice the bezel on the ip5 at all and it allows me to hold the phone with either or both hands without blocking th screen with my fingers. I would like to have NFC but I don't what I would use it for especially for the first had having my ip5. Higher resolution I would want but my ip5 screen is gorgeous I don't know what I would need the higher res for on this size screen.

It's not ignorance to want such features it's just not needed or wanted by everyone.

RE: Prices
By retrospooty on 1/14/2013 7:21:55 PM , Rating: 2
Sounds like you wont use any of the many things the iPhone is missing and you aren't bothered by its other shortcomings. The iPhone is a good phone in that case... Except for maybe the price, that is kind of my issue with it. Feature-wise its a low end phone, and although its GPU is top notch, with all its missing it shouldn't be a $650 phone. It's not even on par with a $300 Nexus4. But, if you want to pay for it, thats on you. Enjoy it.

RE: Prices
By BillyBatson on 1/14/2013 8:24:36 PM , Rating: 2
Pay for it? It was $199 subsidized through AT&T +tax. I had AT&T remove the upgrade fee. I sold my 32gb iphone4 for $175 on Craigslist. I paid like $75 put of pocket.
I know of no other shortcomings. You can gripe about iOS but we are discussing hardware. As far as iOS goes only thing I hate about it is the default maps. I will never use widgets (I refuse to use them on a desktop as well) and the chicklet style menu might bother many of you when it comes down to it it works great as a simple app launcher. I admit my needs are incredibly simple when it comes to a phone all I need is the right size screen, a web browser, and decent speed.

RE: Prices
By retrospooty on 1/14/2013 9:28:23 PM , Rating: 2
okay so in the US the carriers subsidize it. And equivalent phone from any other maker on a US carrier would be free. Whatever though if you like it you like it... cool

RE: Prices
By TakinYourPoints on 1/16/2013 3:04:15 AM , Rating: 2
A GS3 without subsidy costs the same as an iPhone 5, and with those you're getting an inferior display and internal hardware, plus they fail drop tests even more than the iPhone 5 and low-end GS2.

If you're calling the fastest hardware with awesome battery life "low end", man, I'll take whatever drugs you're taking.

Samsung should also really drop the price on the GS3, talk about overpriced trash. Who pays hundreds of dollars for gimmicks like an SD card slot?

RE: Prices
By TakinYourPoints on 1/14/2013 4:20:01 PM , Rating: 2

"Dude, check out my widget!"

RE: Prices
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/14/2013 4:59:11 PM , Rating: 2
You are quite the ignorant one yourself, assuming what people want do on their phones.

RE: Prices
By TakinYourPoints on 1/14/2013 6:18:15 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not assuming anything. Some people want big screens, widgets, and removable batteries/storage. Other people want fast hardware, great battery life, long term support, and better apps. Both ecosystems have their pros and cons, as any ecosystem does.


RE: Prices
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/14/2013 6:40:18 PM , Rating: 1
First off idiot, I wasn't talking to you. Second, I honestly don't give a shit about your opinions.

RE: Prices
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/14/2013 4:18:19 PM , Rating: 2
Some people value faster hardware, better applications, more battery life, better security, a smoother UI, and guaranteed updates and support.

RE: Prices
By Manch on 1/14/2013 5:39:20 PM , Rating: 1
when 2 people are comparing phones a newer Android vs. iPhone 5, the iPhone user always winds up saying "mine cant do that either" an awful lot.

Should read:
when 2 people are comparing phones a newer Android vs. iPhone 5, the iPhone user always winds up saying "f@ck...there's no app for that" an awful lot.

RE: Prices
By Tony Swash on 1/14/13, Rating: -1
RE: Prices
By retrospooty on 1/14/2013 9:32:40 PM , Rating: 2
Again Tony for the umpteenth time this is a consumer website, we are consumers. As consumers we really don't care which company makes more profit... We care about the products they made and the price they sell them at. At least you stay out of the completely unwinnable argument of specs and features though.

RE: Prices
By Tony Swash on 1/15/13, Rating: 0
RE: Prices
By retrospooty on 1/15/2013 7:03:29 AM , Rating: 2
Fine. Apple is the most profitable company. What does that get you? A better phone? Nope. More features? Nope. They are raking in profits while skimping on features. What exactly is that doing for you? It's fine and all in a discussion, but its all you bring up. "So, Apple makes more money" is not an answer for every technical discussion that goes on here... And the very subject of the article above lends toward the realization that that Zeitgeist that Apple is running on is waning. Just ask RIMM in 2010 with their record profits how it worked out for them.

RE: Prices
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/15/2013 7:08:17 AM , Rating: 2
"So, Apple makes more money" is not an answer for every technical discussion that goes on here...
Because that's about all he has...

RE: Prices
By nocturne on 1/17/2013 12:57:24 AM , Rating: 2
Well, it's all about the market.. if you find a phone that meets your needs, go ahead and buy it! What you have between Android and iOS are two entirely different approaches, and given market shares currently -- I'd say we have a winner regardless of your personal feelings.

Apple has an incredible niche though.. Quite simply, it's great for dumb people. It's simplistic, easy to use, and reliable. These are the people not looking for extra features, as they have no concept on how to use them to begin with.

Forgo a sd slot that makes higher priced models redundant with the addition of an 8 dollar card..? "Why? If I wanted more memory, I'd get the better model.." MicroHDMI port to make it much easier to share content on the go.. "What's an HDMI? I don't know what that is." Removable battery..? "Why would I remove my battery? Wouldn't that make the phone not work..?" Now, I won't even tell you a friend's response when I mentioned NFC.. about football, lol.

Just seems the only iPhones I see anymore outside of the increasingly rare 'iElitists', are in the hands of those I would consider the absolute least tech-competent out of all I know. Mostly people like my dumb friends, my boss, and his 2 yr old son.. And they love it! They are perfectly happy with what they have, and are willing to pay a huge premium for it over just as capable feature phones. What's wrong with that..?

RE: Prices
By TakinYourPoints on 1/17/2013 1:13:04 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, its pretty silly how iSheep buy products based on faster hardware, better battery life, better displays, smoother UI, OS support that goes past three years, compact design, high resale value, and far superior applications.

Listen, I think its great if someone picks Android because they want big screens and superficial tweakability at the expense of everything I listed above, those are totally legitimate reasons to go with something else. Some people are fine with giant phones and the other things large chassis allow for (mounting for SD cards and a removable battery, etc, something other small devices like the Nexus 4 also don't have room for). Again, that's cool. What's funny/sad is how Fandroids use widgets and gimmicks like SD cards to qualify it as a "hardcore" device for tech elitists.

It's all toy gimmickry IMHO if it is at the expense of better hardware, support, and applications, hardly anything to brag about, but keep your head held high and stroke your ego with your superior choice!

RE: Prices
By TakinYourPoints on 1/17/2013 1:31:56 AM , Rating: 2
Apple has an incredible niche though.

If we're talking about high end devices then the old iPhone 4S has outsold the popular Samsung GS2, GS3, and GN2 combined, and the performance-leading iPhone 5 is looking to have outsold what the 4S did in half the time.

If we're all exaggerating here, what is "niche" is the high end Android market. Android marketshare is highly inflated by low end featurephones and dumbphones, that's the bottom line.

This and many other reasons are why Android is still a second-tier platform for developers. Even Google's own apps and major revisions are sometimes iOS first before trickling down to Android. Over half of mobile internet traffic and app downloads are iOS despite it being "niche", and over half of Google's mobile revenue comes from iOS, not their own Android.

If iOS devices dominate the niche of the high end then I don't really see anything to look down upon, that's a pretty good place to be in. Android having big marketshare means little when so much of it is low end devices that don't really get used for the internet or apps.

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