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This may be a sign of how iPhone demand is faring amongst the competition

The latest iPhone may not be the rockstar Apple thought it would be. The Cupertino, California-based company slashed its orders for iPhone 5 screens by about 50 percent for the first quarter of 2013, and cut orders for other iPhone components as well.

This may be a sign of how iPhone demand is faring amongst the competition. Rival hardware makers like Samsung, whose devices are coupled with Google's Android operating system, have stolen much of the smartphone market share in the U.S.

For Q3 2012, Android was the No. 1 mobile operating system with a market share of 72.4 percent (compared to 52.5 percent in Q3 2011). Apple's iOS followed far behind at 13.9 percent (compared to 15 percent in Q3 2011).

As far as hardware goes, Samsung led the Q3 2012 market share at 22.9 percent (compared to 18.7 percent in Q3 2011) and Apple sat in third place at 5.5 percent (compared to 3.9 percent in Q3 2011).

Apple recently slipped behind in China's smartphone market as well. Apple, which previously held the No. 4 spot in the Chinese mobile phone market, slipped to No. 6 in Q3 2012 due to its low number of shipments, according to research firm IDC. Out of China's 60 million mobile phone shipments in Q3, Apple's iPhone accounted for less than 10 percent.

Apple's iPhone 5 was released in September 2012 with new features like a 4-inch screen and 4G LTE connectivity. It's available in either black or white, and is priced at $199 for the 16GB model, $299 for the 32GB model, and $399 for the 64GB model with two-year contracts.

Sources: CNET, The Wall Street Journal



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Prices
By Flunk on 1/14/2013 8:07:48 AM , Rating: 0
You should probably use the real prices in your articles. The 2 year contract price id an abstraction to hide the real cost. All other products are quoted at their real price.

Price us really the biggest issue here. You can get a Nexus 4 for $300, no strings attached. Apple is not even close to competitive with that.




RE: Prices
By bug77 on 1/14/2013 8:12:55 AM , Rating: 2
Technically speaking, the Nexus 4 is an exception, most high-end Android phones cost significantly more than that. But the idea still remains: Androids can be that cheap.


RE: Prices
By Kakao on 1/14/2013 8:25:50 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
You can get a Nexus 4 for $300

Sorry, we can't. Try to buy one and you will see it is not available. I would love to buy it at that price.


RE: Prices
By GulWestfale on 1/14/2013 9:03:13 AM , Rating: 2
i bought a galaxy S IIx (1.5GHz duallie, 1GB RAM, 4.5" AMOLED plus screen) for $250 from telus (canada). then another 30 bucks to get it unlocked. iphone 4s still costs $460 at apple, with a slower CPU, less RAM, a tiny, crappy LCD... gee, i can see why people don't go for iphones anymore.


RE: Prices
By GulWestfale on 1/14/2013 9:04:31 AM , Rating: 5
sorry, just checked apple's site... a 4S is actually $599, not 460... wow.


RE: Prices
By retrospooty on 1/14/2013 9:14:57 AM , Rating: 4
Ouch... thats alot for a 3.5 inch screen with a whole slew of missing features.

BTW, where is Tony Swash to spin this and make it sound better? He must be trying to find links and or arguments to lessen the effect of this news LOL.

As of now, Mondays pre-market has them down another 15 pts.
http://money.cnn.com/quote/news/news.html?symb=AAP...

=)


RE: Prices
By GulWestfale on 1/14/2013 11:02:32 AM , Rating: 5
"tonyswish"
"OMG you guys apple is only ordering fewer parts for iphones because they are selling so many ipad minis, which are really just better versions of samsung's galaxy note. thus, apple has succeeded and all of android is failing. the price of apple's products is totally justified because a bit of aluminum totally costs hundreds of dollarsm which also explains why apple has to use inferior LCD screens instead of proper AMOLED ones because it has to offset the massive cost of that really expensive aluminum which is probably made by NASA."


by the way, i just found out that the PS Vita's internals are made by samsung, and that the vita uses a samsung AMOLED screen... so it's not like samsung sin't making these available to other companies. it's just that apple is too cheap to pay for them.


RE: Prices
By retrospooty on 1/14/2013 11:10:52 AM , Rating: 3
RE: Prices
By Helbore on 1/14/2013 11:26:25 AM , Rating: 2
Almost perfect. You just need to add "Meanwhile, back in the real world," at the beginning and end it with "but all you fanboys just keep on predicting the death of Apple."


RE: Prices
By retrospooty on 1/14/2013 11:43:29 AM , Rating: 2
No-one is predicting the death of Apple, they arent just healthy financially, they are swimming in profit. This is just more of an inevitable correction. The Zeitgeist that followed the iPhone is starting to wane. It makes sense. It's got to be hard to look at an iPhone next to a 5 inch 1080p Android with Jelly Bean, an SD card slot, NFC, and faster voice search and mini HDMI port, and no giant Bezel like the iPhone and recommend anyone buy an iPhone at the same price.


RE: Prices
By paydirt on 1/14/2013 12:15:11 PM , Rating: 3
This article is about a story that is over 1 month old. Plus, the same kind of articles came out a year ago about the iPhone 4S and Apple went on to report blockbuster Q4 results.

Some have speculated that Apple made 60 Million iPhones and sold 45 Million of them. With 15 Million in hand, they are having “only” 30 Million made for Q1 2013 (about a 50% cut in production as per WSJ); this still gives Apple another 45 Million to potentially sell in Q1. They will probably sell less in Q1, but again have inventory left over.


RE: Prices
By retrospooty on 1/14/2013 12:54:18 PM , Rating: 2
It's more of an over-correction on planning. Up until December, places were waiting for iPhones, so they couldnt have been waiting in inventory. That and no company builds excess inventory like that. It's insane and you get taxed to death on it. The goal of any and all manufacturers is to plan what you build, build what you plan and sell all that you build. For a company to plan to have 15 million of anything, much less $600 devices in inventory is just like running wheelbarrows full of cash into the incinerator. Its just not done.

It is possible that they already have 15 million in open orders (15 million screens, motherboards, CPU's, conencttors etc). As in PO's already made and parts are in production... But that is still all planned for and reducing orders is reducing orders. It's never a good thing.


RE: Prices
By paydirt on 1/14/2013 6:29:45 PM , Rating: 2
Let's talk again on January 28th


RE: Prices
By Samus on 1/14/2013 1:00:18 PM , Rating: 3
I KNOW. I still can't believe the iPhone doesn't have simple things like widgets and a customizable lock screen. It's ridiculously outdated. I think when iPhone users see what modern Android (and WinMo for that matter) can do they decide to ditch IOS.


RE: Prices
By retrospooty on 1/14/2013 1:04:54 PM , Rating: 3
Yup... when 2 people are comparing phones a newer Android vs. iPhone 5, the iPhone user always winds up saying "mine cant do that either" an awful lot. What is is good at are games, and web browsing with its great GPU and great batery life whle browsing... Unfortunately those 2 things are still WAY better on a bigger screen.


RE: Prices
By Xplorer4x4 on 1/14/2013 3:15:09 PM , Rating: 3
iSheep just don't care though. I was in a VZW store last month scouting my soon to be upgrade. Actually it was more my girlfriend scouting then me. My Mind was pretty well made up. Anyway, I was curious to hear what customers and sales reps were saying. One guy in particular stood out to me above all the rest. The rep pointed out a few androids, but focused mostly on the Razr HD. The rep pointed out all the pros and most importantly pointed out it could do anything the iPhone 5 could do and more. It was obvious the guy didn't care much. When asked why he was leaning towards an iPhone 5, he simply said "I like it more." The rep finally decided he had done his part and needed to step back and let the guy go hands on for himself. The guy walks over to the Razr HD, plays with it for maybe 30 seconds, then puts it down walks to the iPhone 5, spends a few minuets playing with it before the rep comes back and the guys tell the rep he wants the iPhone5 and he is ready to check out.

In the end, iSheep just don't understand value.


RE: Prices
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/14/2013 3:24:42 PM , Rating: 2
RE: Prices
By TakinYourPoints on 1/14/2013 3:47:56 PM , Rating: 5
Some people value faster hardware, better applications, more battery life, better security, a smoother UI, and guaranteed updates and support.

Believe it or not there are actual practical advantages to iOS devices that some people may prefer, and it doesn't come down to being "iSheep".

It all comes down to what you want. If you want bigger screens and SD cards then there are other options, all comes down to preference.


RE: Prices
By retrospooty on 1/14/13, Rating: -1
RE: Prices
By EnzoFX on 1/14/2013 4:03:54 PM , Rating: 1
All the things THESE FANDROIDS care about, sorry for the caps, but they really are retardedly ignorant, are things they can only get on Android. This includes their widgets, which they can't seem to understand why everyone wouldn't want to fill their screen's pixels with all widgets everywhere. Or to run some root app that most people don't care about and even they have little use for...


RE: Prices
By retrospooty on 1/14/2013 4:12:07 PM , Rating: 2
So, Larger screens, higher res, NFC, SD card, mini HDMI, removable battery, and not wanting a gigantic bezel like iPhone are all retardedly ignorant?

Hmm... Go figure.


RE: Prices
By TakinYourPoints on 1/14/2013 4:17:33 PM , Rating: 2
The iPhone 5 has a big bezel now, really?

I don't respond to your posts because I disagree with your product choice, I think Android phones are right for many people. Its that you have a slight tendency to bend reality and make things up. Its really strange.


RE: Prices
By retrospooty on 1/14/2013 4:21:03 PM , Rating: 2
Yup... But it always did. I challenge you to find a 2012/2013 phone that has a worse screen size to bezel ratio. You talk about size and ergonomics, but its fine to waste all that space. When they said the iPhone 5 would have a widescreen without getting bigger, I assumed they were utilizing some of that wasted space, but they didnt. They just made it taller.


RE: Prices
By BillyBatson on 1/14/2013 7:04:39 PM , Rating: 2
Retro, it's stil about preference.
It doesn't matter what phone I get android vs iOS vs wp8, I still don't want a large screen 4" on the ip5 is plenty big for me with 3.5-4" being the sweet spot for me it's more comfortable in my hand and fits better in my jeans pockets. I do NOT want an SD card slot I don't need it I won't ever use it and it will just collect dust or the dust cover oven breaks off and I'm left with a gaping hole. Doesn't really want mini hdmi again i won't use it I had a video out cable for my old 30 pin device and I never used it having it built in wouldn't get me to use it and again the port would collect dust. I do NOT want a removable battery!!!!! Even for older phones I owned I never ever bought a spare or extended battery and that isn't going to change but I have dropped my phones causing the batteries to pop out many many times not to mention a removable backplate makes a product feel much cheaper than 1 solid piece. I don't notice the bezel on the ip5 at all and it allows me to hold the phone with either or both hands without blocking th screen with my fingers. I would like to have NFC but I don't what I would use it for especially for the first had having my ip5. Higher resolution I would want but my ip5 screen is gorgeous I don't know what I would need the higher res for on this size screen.

It's not ignorance to want such features it's just not needed or wanted by everyone.


RE: Prices
By retrospooty on 1/14/2013 7:21:55 PM , Rating: 2
Sounds like you wont use any of the many things the iPhone is missing and you aren't bothered by its other shortcomings. The iPhone is a good phone in that case... Except for maybe the price, that is kind of my issue with it. Feature-wise its a low end phone, and although its GPU is top notch, with all its missing it shouldn't be a $650 phone. It's not even on par with a $300 Nexus4. But, if you want to pay for it, thats on you. Enjoy it.


RE: Prices
By BillyBatson on 1/14/2013 8:24:36 PM , Rating: 2
Pay for it? It was $199 subsidized through AT&T +tax. I had AT&T remove the upgrade fee. I sold my 32gb iphone4 for $175 on Craigslist. I paid like $75 put of pocket.
I know of no other shortcomings. You can gripe about iOS but we are discussing hardware. As far as iOS goes only thing I hate about it is the default maps. I will never use widgets (I refuse to use them on a desktop as well) and the chicklet style menu might bother many of you when it comes down to it it works great as a simple app launcher. I admit my needs are incredibly simple when it comes to a phone all I need is the right size screen, a web browser, and decent speed.


RE: Prices
By retrospooty on 1/14/2013 9:28:23 PM , Rating: 2
okay so in the US the carriers subsidize it. And equivalent phone from any other maker on a US carrier would be free. Whatever though if you like it you like it... cool


RE: Prices
By TakinYourPoints on 1/16/2013 3:04:15 AM , Rating: 2
A GS3 without subsidy costs the same as an iPhone 5, and with those you're getting an inferior display and internal hardware, plus they fail drop tests even more than the iPhone 5 and low-end GS2.

If you're calling the fastest hardware with awesome battery life "low end", man, I'll take whatever drugs you're taking.

Samsung should also really drop the price on the GS3, talk about overpriced trash. Who pays hundreds of dollars for gimmicks like an SD card slot?


RE: Prices
By TakinYourPoints on 1/14/2013 4:20:01 PM , Rating: 2
http://youtu.be/7huae767Rxg?t=54s

"Dude, check out my widget!"


RE: Prices
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/14/2013 4:59:11 PM , Rating: 2
You are quite the ignorant one yourself, assuming what people want do on their phones.


RE: Prices
By TakinYourPoints on 1/14/2013 6:18:15 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not assuming anything. Some people want big screens, widgets, and removable batteries/storage. Other people want fast hardware, great battery life, long term support, and better apps. Both ecosystems have their pros and cons, as any ecosystem does.

Choices!


RE: Prices
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/14/2013 6:40:18 PM , Rating: 1
First off idiot, I wasn't talking to you. Second, I honestly don't give a shit about your opinions.


RE: Prices
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/14/2013 4:18:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Some people value faster hardware, better applications, more battery life, better security, a smoother UI, and guaranteed updates and support.
SQUAWK SQUAWK! POLLY WANT A CRACKER! SQUAWK! SQUAWK!


RE: Prices
By Manch on 1/14/2013 5:39:20 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
when 2 people are comparing phones a newer Android vs. iPhone 5, the iPhone user always winds up saying "mine cant do that either" an awful lot.


Should read:
when 2 people are comparing phones a newer Android vs. iPhone 5, the iPhone user always winds up saying "f@ck...there's no app for that" an awful lot.


RE: Prices
By Tony Swash on 1/14/13, Rating: -1
RE: Prices
By retrospooty on 1/14/2013 9:32:40 PM , Rating: 2
Again Tony for the umpteenth time this is a consumer website, we are consumers. As consumers we really don't care which company makes more profit... We care about the products they made and the price they sell them at. At least you stay out of the completely unwinnable argument of specs and features though.


RE: Prices
By Tony Swash on 1/15/13, Rating: 0
RE: Prices
By retrospooty on 1/15/2013 7:03:29 AM , Rating: 2
Fine. Apple is the most profitable company. What does that get you? A better phone? Nope. More features? Nope. They are raking in profits while skimping on features. What exactly is that doing for you? It's fine and all in a discussion, but its all you bring up. "So, Apple makes more money" is not an answer for every technical discussion that goes on here... And the very subject of the article above lends toward the realization that that Zeitgeist that Apple is running on is waning. Just ask RIMM in 2010 with their record profits how it worked out for them.


RE: Prices
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/15/2013 7:08:17 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
"So, Apple makes more money" is not an answer for every technical discussion that goes on here...
Because that's about all he has...


RE: Prices
By nocturne on 1/17/2013 12:57:24 AM , Rating: 2
Well, it's all about the market.. if you find a phone that meets your needs, go ahead and buy it! What you have between Android and iOS are two entirely different approaches, and given market shares currently -- I'd say we have a winner regardless of your personal feelings.

Apple has an incredible niche though.. Quite simply, it's great for dumb people. It's simplistic, easy to use, and reliable. These are the people not looking for extra features, as they have no concept on how to use them to begin with.

Forgo a sd slot that makes higher priced models redundant with the addition of an 8 dollar card..? "Why? If I wanted more memory, I'd get the better model.." MicroHDMI port to make it much easier to share content on the go.. "What's an HDMI? I don't know what that is." Removable battery..? "Why would I remove my battery? Wouldn't that make the phone not work..?" Now, I won't even tell you a friend's response when I mentioned NFC.. about football, lol.

Just seems the only iPhones I see anymore outside of the increasingly rare 'iElitists', are in the hands of those I would consider the absolute least tech-competent out of all I know. Mostly people like my dumb friends, my boss, and his 2 yr old son.. And they love it! They are perfectly happy with what they have, and are willing to pay a huge premium for it over just as capable feature phones. What's wrong with that..?


RE: Prices
By TakinYourPoints on 1/17/2013 1:13:04 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, its pretty silly how iSheep buy products based on faster hardware, better battery life, better displays, smoother UI, OS support that goes past three years, compact design, high resale value, and far superior applications.

Listen, I think its great if someone picks Android because they want big screens and superficial tweakability at the expense of everything I listed above, those are totally legitimate reasons to go with something else. Some people are fine with giant phones and the other things large chassis allow for (mounting for SD cards and a removable battery, etc, something other small devices like the Nexus 4 also don't have room for). Again, that's cool. What's funny/sad is how Fandroids use widgets and gimmicks like SD cards to qualify it as a "hardcore" device for tech elitists.

It's all toy gimmickry IMHO if it is at the expense of better hardware, support, and applications, hardly anything to brag about, but keep your head held high and stroke your ego with your superior choice!


RE: Prices
By TakinYourPoints on 1/17/2013 1:31:56 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Apple has an incredible niche though.


If we're talking about high end devices then the old iPhone 4S has outsold the popular Samsung GS2, GS3, and GN2 combined, and the performance-leading iPhone 5 is looking to have outsold what the 4S did in half the time.

If we're all exaggerating here, what is "niche" is the high end Android market. Android marketshare is highly inflated by low end featurephones and dumbphones, that's the bottom line.

This and many other reasons are why Android is still a second-tier platform for developers. Even Google's own apps and major revisions are sometimes iOS first before trickling down to Android. Over half of mobile internet traffic and app downloads are iOS despite it being "niche", and over half of Google's mobile revenue comes from iOS, not their own Android.

If iOS devices dominate the niche of the high end then I don't really see anything to look down upon, that's a pretty good place to be in. Android having big marketshare means little when so much of it is low end devices that don't really get used for the internet or apps.


RE: Prices
By johnsmith9875 on 1/15/2013 1:09:58 PM , Rating: 2
I have a feeling its just stockmarket manipulation, buy up some Apple stock on the verge of them surprising the market with their next big thing, bundles of cash to be made.


RE: Prices
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/15/2013 1:13:19 PM , Rating: 2
So they have been manipulating it for over a month and a half? LOL


RE: Prices
By xti on 1/14/2013 4:07:11 PM , Rating: 2
thats an awesome price but then I would have to live in Canada. That would suck.


RE: Prices
By Nyu on 1/14/2013 9:35:26 AM , Rating: 1
$300.. not really, $600 in Europe if you can find one.


RE: Prices
By TakinYourPoints on 1/14/2013 3:36:14 PM , Rating: 2
The Nexus 4 doesn't have an SD card slot and it has a non-removable battery that can only be changed with the use of a Torx screwdriver. Clearly it is inferior.

/s


RE: Prices
By retrospooty on 1/14/2013 3:43:54 PM , Rating: 2
Umm... with the same config the iPhone is more than double the price... with a poorer screen. good luck with that.


RE: Prices
By TakinYourPoints on 1/14/2013 3:57:05 PM , Rating: 2
I thought people who posted at sites like this would be more technically knowledgeable. There are plenty of cheap phones that have removable batteries and storage.

It isn't about price at all, its all about engineering.

As chassis get smaller the ability to include mounting for SD card slots and battery housings goes away. It is the same reason why the first generation Kindle e-reader had an SD card slot and removable battery and why the following improved generations didn't. The chassis got so thin and small that they wouldn't fit anymore. It is also why 5" mega-phones and phablets can easily get away with including them, there is more than enough space.

This isn't rocket science.

As for the Nexus 4's "superior" screen, you're joking, right?

From Anandtech's review:
quote:
I’ve mentioned that Google continues to struggle at calibrating their displays. The truth is that everyone except for Apple, HTC, and occasionally Samsung, struggle at calibrating mobile displays. This continues to be the case with the Nexus 4, and the result is that accuracy could be better. I’m convinced the results that we’re getting out of the Nexus 4 basically represent no attempt at calibrating the display, and as a result the numbers suffer.


I shouldn't be surprised at so many of the posts here but I consistently am. So much is opinion that comes from the gut instead of from reality or objective analysis.


RE: Prices
By retrospooty on 1/14/2013 4:05:42 PM , Rating: 2
LOL, I was just busing on you... As far as I am concerned the Nexus4 doesnt exist becasue you still cant freegin buy it, unless you have been on a 8 week+ waiting list.

But for the screen, yes. 4.7 inches at 1280x720 beats 4 inches at 1136x640 any day, by a long shot, regardless of how the color calibration is done. Throw in todays 1080 screens and its a landslide.

Dood, the iPhone screen and lack of spec is a serious weekness whether you can accept it or not.


RE: Prices
By TakinYourPoints on 1/14/2013 4:14:52 PM , Rating: 1
You keep bringing up resolution on bigger screens, wtf? And no, bigger screens and the bigger chassis that comes with them are not automatically a feature. Not everyone carries a purse, uses a belt clip, or wears fatty pants. ;)

Almost every complaint you have about the iPhone comes down to its ergonomics. You don't like phones that can be operated with one hand, fine, but to say that something that comes down to personal preference makes for an inferior product when it is objectively better in so many ways (performance, display quality, applications, battery life) is silly.

As for getting a Nexus 4, a friend of mine got his in two weeks, easy. It exists.


RE: Prices
By retrospooty on 1/14/2013 4:18:13 PM , Rating: 2
"You keep bringing up resolution on bigger screens, wtf? And no, bigger screens and the bigger chassis that comes with them are not automatically a feature. Not everyone carries a purse, uses a belt clip, or wears fatty pants. ;)"

"Size doesnt matter" says the guy with a small one ;)

But seriously, if Apple made a 5 inch model you KNOW you would be all over it in a heartbeat.

"Almost every complaint you have about the iPhone comes down to its ergonomics"
No, its about a high end phone (price wise) that is missing WAY too many features. But whatever. Now we are both parroting.


RE: Prices
By TakinYourPoints on 1/14/2013 4:31:19 PM , Rating: 5
If Apple made a wider phone I'd be complaining about it. Stretching the display edge to edge would be acceptable, but that's buying a millimeter or two at this point. Widening the chassis would be silly.

The whole point of the size is to reach the entire display with your thumb without readjustment. It is a simple and logical design choice. If you don't like it, again, there are plenty of other devices out there, no reason to complain.

quote:
No, its about a high end phone (price wise) that is missing WAY too many features.


Yes, its all about size. Those features are the direct product of size and ergonomics. Everything else (SD card, removable battery, resolution) follows from that.

As for other things that matter, things like performance and LTE battery life, it is not just a high end phone, it is the best out there. Go beyond hardware into software and its even better given how strong developer support is.

Don't you find it a little unfair that such a small device outspecs 5" phones and phablets twice its volume? You figure with all that extra room they'd put some beefier guts in there.


RE: Prices
By TakinYourPoints on 1/14/2013 4:32:31 PM , Rating: 2
And yes, whatever. :)


RE: Prices
By retrospooty on 1/14/2013 4:36:02 PM , Rating: 2
Bah, dood, with all that space on the big ass bezel they could easily put 4 SD card slots, but... We'll have to agree to disagree. I do that with the full understanding that I am right and you are wrong. ;)


RE: Prices
By TakinYourPoints on 1/16/2013 3:07:44 AM , Rating: 2
I can't believe you believe a low-end feature that costs pennies like an SD card slot is an advantage over faster hardware, better displays, better battery life, and superior applications.

You Fandroids will spin reality in any way you can to defend your beliefs, holy crap...


RE: Prices
By retrospooty on 1/16/2013 7:25:42 AM , Rating: 1
Are you smoking crack again? It's not the SD slot. It's the SD slot, Bigger better screens, Higher resolution screens, Better OS, Better UI, NFC, Faster Voice search, Smaller Bezels, Mini HDMI port, Multi Window support, Flexibility in OS and HW, Micro USB. And your assertion of faster hw is another cherry pick. Faster GPU, not CPU, and not by alot. For someone that doesnt play games it means zero.

You seem to get irritated by this list, yet you keep posting falsehoods that require it's re-posting.


RE: Prices
By TakinYourPoints on 1/16/2013 8:25:57 PM , Rating: 3
The screens aren't better! "Higher resolution" Pentile screens that have fewer sub-pixels than a proper "lower" res display and terrible color profiles are not superior!

Also, the only reason it is "higher" res is that it is physically larger, but again, Pentile displays cheat using fewer subpixels so there are all kinds of associated artifacts and things like small text rendering blurry.

And yes, I find the talk of "superior" displays irritating, just as I find people bragging about 27" 1080p TN displays bragging about their crap monitor being "better" than a smaller IPS display simply because it is bigger.

A Pentile display with bad color profiles and faked "high" resolution is not better than what is in the iPhone by any objective measure. Sorry.

It has a faster CPU by a wide margin as well, but I guess you don't find nearly double the browsermark score to be important at all...

As for faster Voice Search, again, it's on the iPhone. Google's Voice Search and Maps applications are currently faster with better UIs than what is on JB. Strange, yes, but not that odd given that Google makes more income from iOS than Android. Don't worry though, it'll catch up. Maybe the hardware from other OEMs will catch up someday as well.


RE: Prices
By TakinYourPoints on 1/16/2013 8:38:24 PM , Rating: 2
And as far as UI goes, I use both and I don't see the big deal. Taking up your whole screen with widgets is highly personal. If you like it then great, but it is far from a dealbreaker. A bigger problem is that responsiveness and smoothness with JB is still second rate compared to iOS or WP7/8. There is still chop when scrolling pages and photos, you figured they'd have brought it up to snuff by now.

iOS may look "old" on the surface but under the hood it is a well oiled machine, and of course it is still the #1 platform for quality apps.

Windows 7 is technically "old", most of its UI elements date back to 1995, but I don't care about flash as long as it works well, I care about running applications!

And because I know you'll bring up games, note that they only make up about 20% of app downloads.

Why are your concerns so superficial and gimmicky? It makes sense given that the GS3 is an overpriced toy, but still...


RE: Prices
By TakinYourPoints on 1/16/2013 9:43:31 PM , Rating: 2
Ok, last post to cover three more details I left out:

NFC - Its the same situation as LTE: Wait until it works properly. Apple waited for LTE tech to catch up with their requirements, so instead of cutting the 4S battery life in half from the iPhone 4 by adopting LTE early they instead doubled the LTE battery life over almost every other phone out there.

It is a similar situation with NFC, right now it is an easy vector for malware and theft. I know Android is a platform used to being full of security holes, so much so that even the Google Play store is crawling with it, so much so that the best way to remote wipe is from a malicious hack and not from the legitimate owner, but that won't fly elsewhere. Apple will probably make its move once NFC protocols move forward from the ancient and insecure state its in now.

HDMI - Beaming video to an HDTV over wifi is better. Why clutter up your phone with more useless ports? Its just an excuse to increase chassis size beyond what is ergonomically feasible for most (7" phones for 2014!).

MicroUSB - I have one device with MicroUSB, a Kindle, and it is trash. It is even more fragile than HDMI, just the worst physical connector out there. I wish the Kindle used a Lightning connector, that thing is durable as hell and plugs in either orientation, but unfortunately it belongs only to Apple.


RE: Prices
By retrospooty on 1/17/2013 7:54:39 AM , Rating: 2
LOL... A QUAD POST! Looks like your trolling lost its basket.

1st, who said pentile? You cant compare that, we arent talking about the S3 you love to use. Any 5 inch 1080p screen from TODAYS smarphones smokes your little iPyoon. #1, because its bigger, #2, because its MUCH higher res and DPI.

As for the rest. Yes, again, when you cherry pick benchmarks and one by one eliminate the MANY MANY MANY features that the iPhone is missing, then it does come out on top.

I can play like you too though. If you like to play games and appreciate playing them on a tiny little screen, then the iPhone is a good phone for you.

See what I did there?


RE: Prices
By TakinYourPoints on 1/16/2013 8:46:55 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Faster GPU, not CPU, and not by alot.


Uh huh, not by a lot:
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6330/50943...
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6330/50941...

Sorry dude, its just annoying seeing posts that fly in the face of reality. If you back up your posts with preference for bigger screens, that's fine, but being in denial over faster hardware, better apps, and better screens, its just silly given that the iPhone 5 is objectively superior in those ways.


RE: Prices
By BillyBatson on 1/15/2013 2:36:13 AM , Rating: 2
Retro do you not know anything about displays? It's a display it isn't a magnifying glass over paper. Higher resolution does not "win" and does not mean quality. The nexus 4 for one is 318ppi vs 326ppi for the iphone5 and those pixels are better calibrated offering a better picture. If both screens were the name size (4" or 4.7") the iPhone screen would be superior. Higher resolution just allows a slightly more zoomed out image. The nexus 4 has nothing on the ip5's screen other than physical size IF that's what you're looking for.


RE: Prices
By TakinYourPoints on 1/16/2013 8:27:50 PM , Rating: 2
He doesn't. Aside from everything else you've said, the Nexus 4 has one of the worst calibrated displays out there, even worse than the typically poor Samsung.


RE: Prices
By Tony Swash on 1/14/13, Rating: -1
RE: Prices
By sprockkets on 1/14/2013 7:26:11 PM , Rating: 2
Um, first of all, your source for your 400k?

Second, it's only been out for 61 days, not 3 months.

But let's also ignore the elephant in the room that the phone is consistently sold out.


RE: Prices
By TakinYourPoints on 1/16/2013 9:21:06 PM , Rating: 2
http://www.droid-life.com/2013/01/03/nexus-4-sales...

The reason it is sold out is because LG isn't making very many.


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