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PC industry slumps as Windows 8 fails to drive upgrades

Manufacturers in the computer industry were optimistic for the launch of Windows 8. Computer manufacturers and Microsoft hoped that the launch of Microsoft's latest version of its Windows operating system would spur consumers and businesses to upgrade and buy new PCs. However, IDC reports that Windows 8 did not have the impact expected for the computer market.

The research has offered up its numbers for Q4 2012 for the computer industry, and the results are far from positive. IDC reports that worldwide PC shipments totaled 89.8 million units in Q4 2012, representing a decline of 6.4% compared to Q4 2011. The decline during Q4 was worse than the forecasted decline of 4.4% for the computer market.

Lackluster sales during Q4 2012 marked the first time in more than five years that the PC market has seen a year-over-year decline during the holiday shopping season. The computer market continues to be challenged with the growing popularity of tablets and smartphones that many consumers are purchasing instead of upgrading computers.

"Lost in the shuffle to promote a touch-centric PC, vendors have not forcefully stressed other features that promote a more secure, reliable and efficient user experience,” said Jay Chou, senior research analyst with IDC's Worldwide Quarterly PC Tracker. “As Windows 8 matures, and other corresponding variables such as Ultrabook pricing continue to drop, hopefully the PC market can see a reset in both messaging and demand in 2013."

HP maintained the top position in the worldwide rankings for Q4 2012. Lenovo outpaced the market with growth of over 8% landing in the second place for the global computer market. Rounding out the top five PC vendors in order by sales volume are Dell, Acer, and ASUS.

Source: IDC



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Apple bias?
By datdamonfoo on 1/11/2013 2:48:00 PM , Rating: 3
So why are you putting all this on Windows 8? Look at Apple's shipments, they declined too. Are you going to blame Windows 8 for that too? And why no mention that Lenovo has been growing like crazy? It all seems a tad skewed.




RE: Apple bias?
By StevoLincolnite on 1/11/2013 2:57:15 PM , Rating: 2
Not to mention the article is filled with percentages... which really means nothing if we don't know the hard numbers.


RE: Apple bias?
By ilt24 on 1/11/2013 3:13:34 PM , Rating: 2
RE: Apple bias?
By andrewaggb on 1/11/2013 3:06:41 PM , Rating: 5
agreed.

The reality is there is no reason for most people to upgrade their pc's.

Back when new programs and versions of windows required new hardware, people upgraded. Windows 8 has the same requirements as the last 2 versions of windows, maybe even less. Consoles have stagnated the games market, they don't need new pc's either. Nothing does....

Same thing will happen to tablets eventually. Everybody who wants one will have one and they'll be fast enough that upgrading is less of an issue. We've got 2560x1600 res screens and samsung is releasing an 8 core processor... not going to take long before even an old tablet is good enough.


RE: Apple bias?
By wordsworm on 1/11/13, Rating: 0
RE: Apple bias?
By MrBungle123 on 1/11/2013 4:12:26 PM , Rating: 5
Even if Win 8 booted instantaneously and sped up all my software by 15% I would still run Win 7 because I can't stand 8's interface. My system boots fast enough with an SSD anyway that I don't really notice boot times anyway.

Give me the Win 8 kernel and Win 7's shell and I'd probably upgrade next time I overhauled my system. The way it is now, I'll run Win 7 until valve gets enough games ported to linux that I dont feel like im missing anything and i'll have no use for MS anymore.


RE: Apple bias?
By Da W on 1/11/13, Rating: -1
RE: Apple bias?
By MrBungle123 on 1/11/2013 7:19:08 PM , Rating: 2
You can probably hack other cell phone operating systems like iOS and Android to make them usable on a desktop but when you start doing that you're outside of what is supported by the OS's publisher and risk having updates break your functionality. No thanks. I'll use a desktop OS on desktops and a cell phone OS on cell phones... I have no use for a 24" or multi-monitor cell phone so I have no use for Win 8.


RE: Apple bias?
By MrBungle123 on 1/11/2013 4:01:22 PM , Rating: 2
Yes exactly. It surprises me that some of the more high profile companies like nvidia, intel, amd, etc don't subsidize a pc gaming company that focueses on building games that will cripple even high end systems... assuming they were actually good games they would drive hardware sales.


RE: Apple bias?
By tayb on 1/11/2013 4:02:51 PM , Rating: 3
An old tablet already is good enough. I'm still using my iPad 2 and it's more than enough. I surf the web, play simple games to kill time, check my email, and watch movies. Most people think (and I strongly emphasize the word THINK) they need the latest and greatest tablet but the vast majority of these people are wasting money on features they didn't need and will NEVER use.


RE: Apple bias?
By Nortel on 1/11/13, Rating: -1
RE: Apple bias?
By Tony Swash on 1/11/13, Rating: -1
RE: Apple bias?
By retrospooty on 1/11/2013 3:32:06 PM , Rating: 2
yet its still at the same meager marketshare... This chart is up to date as of Jan 1st 2013.

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-m...


RE: Apple bias?
By TakinYourPoints on 1/11/2013 5:59:02 PM , Rating: 2
Its also a chunk of the market that other companies want a piece of, look at how hard the Ultrabook and AIO concepts have been pushed over the last year. Last year Apple made up a third of notebook sales in the US, was the #3 OEM in the US, and they sold 90% of OEM hardware over $1000. The last point is the most important since it is the most profitable segment of the market.

Its a small marketshare but its all in the high end (media, design, development, research, affluent consumers). Macs may be a small percentage of the global marketshare but its an important one. In the film business I work in you see them everywhere, and all my friends at Google use Macs as their main platform.

Having massive Windows global marketshare that is mostly tied up in low end hardware like netbooks and econoboxes used for data entry, office work, and call centers is great, but its a zero-margin market that Apple doesn't sell to. Much of that is still tied up in Windows XP. All that matters to them is that their products sell better year over year, which it has in the face of general decline.


RE: Apple bias?
By Tony Swash on 1/11/13, Rating: -1
RE: Apple bias?
By karlostomy on 1/13/2013 3:52:01 AM , Rating: 2
This is a textbook Tony Swash troll post.

I encourage other users not to engage him with repartee.
That means, do not hit reply to any of his posts.

In cases where he is trolling, resist the urge to correct his ignorance.
The best anyone can do is downvote him without further comment, so he is forced to wallow in his own lonely misery.

Let's clean this place up.


RE: Apple bias?
By Tony Swash on 1/13/2013 7:18:48 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
The best anyone can do is downvote him without further comment,


Like you just did :)

Dude - get over yourself, other people will have the temerity to have opposing opinions to yours, hence discussion forums such as this one. Try not to be so brittle or scared of different opinions, diversity is good. If you think I am wrong then say why, make some rational arguments, engage in a counter argument. If you can. My consistent experience is that those who wish to end or avoid a debate are those who think the will lose the debate.


RE: Apple bias?
By retrospooty on 1/11/2013 3:42:13 PM , Rating: 3
"Apple Mac sales declined? That's a bold lie and easy to check... so why lie?"

Are you really that insecure that you have to accuse someone of lying when they say ANYTHING that doesnt make your precious Apple appear bright and shiney? FFS, its a company, get over it. 4.89 to 5 million from Q3 to Q4 is NOT considered an increase. Q4 is the major consumer shopping season.

You are right abouot the fact that its easy to check though. It DID decline from Q4 2011 to Q4 2012.

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS2390...

But really, who cares. Apple makes plenty of money, you are just butt hurt becasue they arent all shiny anymore LOL. Get a clue and a life and some self esteem stop glomming on to a company to fill the void in your life.


RE: Apple bias?
By Nortel on 1/11/13, Rating: -1
RE: Apple bias?
By retrospooty on 1/11/2013 4:09:23 PM , Rating: 2
mmmkay... I am not sure what you are looking at. IDC (independant research that is wideley accepted as the leading unbiased source for consumer/market info) shows it went down slightly...

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS2390...

But like I said... Really, who cares. You are just panty-wadded because Apple wasnt being portrayed in a bright light. Get a clue and a life, and some self esteem, and stop glomming on to a company to fill the void in your life.


RE: Apple bias?
By ChronoReverse on 1/11/2013 4:54:31 PM , Rating: 2
He has an independent link while you just posted numbers without a source...


RE: Apple bias?
By Nortel on 1/11/13, Rating: 0
RE: Apple bias?
By retrospooty on 1/11/2013 9:49:48 PM , Rating: 2
We are looking at the difference between sold into the sales channels and sold from channels to actual users... The difference isn't huge. The question is, why does it matter so much to you to accuse per of lying? What goes "snap" in your brain when the word Apple is mentioned?


RE: Apple bias?
By Nortel on 1/11/13, Rating: 0
RE: Apple bias?
By retrospooty on 1/12/2013 7:47:23 AM , Rating: 2
The different figures we are looking at are the difference between "sold into the sales channels" and "sold from channels to actual users"... The difference isn't huge. The question is, why does it matter so much to you to accuse people of lying? What goes "snap" in your brain when the word Apple is mentioned?


RE: Apple bias?
By retrospooty on 1/11/2013 3:34:02 PM , Rating: 2
"So why are you putting all this on Windows 8? Look at Apple's shipments, they declined too. "

MAc shipments arent enough to make a dent. They have about the same marketshare as Blackberry does on smartphones...


RE: Apple bias?
By Tony Swash on 1/11/2013 3:41:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
MAc shipments arent enough to make a dent. They have about the same marketshare as Blackberry does on smartphones...


However unlike Blackberry in the phone market Macs take a disproportionately large slice of all PC profits. Apple guts the PC market of the best business and leaves the rest to Windows.


RE: Apple bias?
By retrospooty on 1/11/2013 3:45:30 PM , Rating: 2
True dat. Apple makes a bundle on Macs and RIMM is dropping prices on BB's to avoid inventory sitting on shelves that wil never sell.

But still, as far as marketshare, not alot of people use them. If you dont play games or use it at an enterprise level workplace its basically as good as a PC, but not better. No reason to switch when with a PC you can do all of that and more and do it faster and be more compatible.


RE: Apple bias?
By Mint on 1/11/2013 4:42:26 PM , Rating: 2
I don't know that "take" is the right word. If Apple wasn't there, I don't think PC makers would earn much more (probably less, since there's no "look at how much Apple is charging" anymore). None of them have that secret sauce that makes Apple buyers pay for the higher margins Apple charges.

Win8 tablets will start putting negative pressure on their margins, though. The iPad has long been top dog with tablets, but with large smartphones replacing much of their usage (mobile web access, email, apps) and Win8 hybrids doing the same from the top end, ARM tablets are getting squeezed into a niche. I say there are ~18 months left for Apple to milk high margins from the iPad. It'll go the way of the iPod after that.


RE: Apple bias?
By TakinYourPoints on 1/11/2013 6:06:50 PM , Rating: 2
Pretty much. Comparable machines to the Macbook Pros are things like high end Lenovos and HP Elitebooks, and I don't see more users grabbing them up if Apple wasn't around.

At least it wouldn't be enough to make a difference. You'd have some of the pro market that Apple caters to buying those machines instead of a MBP, but that is such a tiny market compared to the juggernaut that is $600 notebooks and the even cheaper netbooks from a few years ago.

I got my first Mac a little over ten years ago strictly as a video editing workstation, and if you thought the Mac market is small now, it was TINY back then. Their desktops were basically aimed just at professionals, which is a fine market but again, miniscule. Their market has widened a bit since then but it is still much more focused than the more mainstream and consumer oriented machines that made up the bulk of WinXP/7 license sales.


RE: Apple bias?
By Shadowself on 1/11/2013 7:08:11 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
So why are you putting all this on Windows 8? Look at Apple's shipments, they declined too. Are you going to blame Windows 8 for that too?
Absolutely not. However...
Windows 8 was supposed to refresh the buying cycle. In theory people were waiting in the previous quarter to buy a PC with Windows 8. Thus the most recent quarter was supposed to be a rebound. That did not happen.

Apple's problems were their own doing. They announced desktops (their iMac line) that people could not even order for several weeks (can you say "Osborne Effect"? I knew you could if you tried.) and when they could order them they had several week delays. Many of those "build to order" high end iMacs finally available for order int he second half of December 2012 were not shipped until 2013. Apple did this to themselves. Frankly, I'm a bit surprised that their shipments did not drop drastically because of that stupid move.

And don't get me started on those Mac Pro systems! Every piece of hardware within Mac Pros is at least a full generation out of date from the state of the art. Some subsystems are three generation out of date. I'm a bit shocked that Apple is selling any of those at all!

Lenovo's rise should have been noted in the been strongly noted. They've refocused their lines (in some ways made them more "Apple Like" but much less expensive). Dell better watch out.


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