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...Assuming Apple doesn't rollout an iPhone mini

Research firm Strategy Analytics has stated that it expects Samsung to widen the lead in the smartphone market over Apple during 2013. The research firm predicts Samsung will see 35% growth this year helped in part by a wider product line. The research firm also believes that to help counter the increased competition by Samsung that Apple might launch a smaller and cheaper “iPhone mini” next year.

A smaller-screened iPhone has been rumored for a number of years, but has never come to fruition. Apple addresses the “cheaper” bullet point by discounting previous generation iPhone models to selling alongside the current generation model. For example, the previous generation iPhone 4S is priced at $99 with a two-year contract, while the iPhone 4 is available for free with a two-year contract. The current generation iPhone 5 starts at $199.
 
However, with Apple finally rolling out a smaller iPad mini that has seen significant sales success, the market may be right for Apple to bring a pint-sized iPhone to the market.

The analytics firm believes that globally smartphone shipments will increase 27% during 2013 to 875,000,000 units. While 27% growth is a brisk pace, it is a significant decline from the 41% growth the smartphone market saw in 2012. Strategy Analytics blames slowing growth in North America, China, Asia, and Western Europe.

The research firm predicts that Samsung will sell 290 million smartphones in 2013, which is a significant increase from the estimated 215 million smartphones Samsung sold in 2012. It should be noted, however, that Samsung’s own internal numbers suggest that it will sell a more substantial 390 million smartphones for the year.
 
Apple is predicted to sell 180 million smartphones in 2013 for 33% increase from its 2012 sales numbers. If the research firm's predictions come true Samsung will hold 33% of the smartphone market with Apple a bit behind at 21%.

Source: Reuters



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Um..
By Breakfast Susej on 1/4/2013 9:18:37 AM , Rating: 5
Isn't the iphone already an iphone mini?




RE: Um..
By retrospooty on 1/4/2013 9:36:15 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly. If Apple wants to increase sales, roll out a larger iPhone5 mega... Or mondo!.

Bigger screen higher res, SD card, removable battery, mini hdmi, etc and you'd have a major hit. That model would have a huge advantage over the competition. It would catch them up with Android JellyBean in all areas other than the OS itself.

I would seriously consider buying such a phone if comparably priced.


RE: Um..
By StevoLincolnite on 1/4/2013 10:03:27 AM , Rating: 2
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Bigger screen higher res, SD card, removable battery, mini hdmi, etc and you'd have a major hit.


You know that will never happen, right? right?
They enjoy being under-featured, which is great for people who have no idea what a USB port is...

Then again, thanks to Android and Windows Phone we have better alternatives for us enthusiasts to play with, but for those like parents, grand parents... The iPhone is amazingly a good fit for them as they're incredibly simple and "dumb".


RE: Um..
By retrospooty on 1/4/2013 10:11:15 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, I doubt it... I was just making a comment that a fuller features iPhone would be a huge hit. I could see them making a larger screen phone though. A realistic larger iPhone might have a larger screen, and higher res. It would still be a hit.


RE: Um..
By Nortel on 1/4/13, Rating: 0
RE: Um..
By retrospooty on 1/4/2013 10:35:47 AM , Rating: 3
"What is a user going to need a USB port on a phone for besides charging?"

Its that little thing about being plug-compatible with every other phone built on Planet Earth in the past 4 years and next several years to come. Go on a trip, leave your charger at home because everyone else has the same one. For me, I just unplug my micro-usb mouse charger and plug in my phone without leaving my desk.

I guess that is beyond you why anyone would want that.


RE: Um..
By xti on 1/4/2013 11:36:20 PM , Rating: 2
i dont get why people buy $200 phones and then make such a huge deal over $6 cables.


RE: Um..
By Piiman on 1/5/2013 11:53:35 AM , Rating: 2
Who did that? Its called choices.


RE: Um..
By StevoLincolnite on 1/4/2013 2:11:07 PM , Rating: 2
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What is a user going to need a USB port on a phone for besides charging?


* Flash Drives, External Hard Drives.
* Charge from any USB port that exists on the planet and they ARE common.
* Connecting to a PC to be used as a modem.
* Interface directly to non-wireless devices like Printers, scanners.
* Access the phone as a media storage device on consoles for video and audio playback.
* Connect a controller to play games, touch screens are horrible for FPS gaming you know.
* Connect to USB display devices like monitors, projectors, televisions to play back content directly.

Just because you don't have any use for it, doesn't mean millions of other people don't as evident by the massive Android ecosystem now dwarfing your precious iOS.
And not everything has Blue Tooth or Wireless capability, but almost everything has a USB port these days.


RE: Um..
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/4/2013 2:49:30 PM , Rating: 2
I think it's time to quit feeding the Nortroll...


RE: Um..
By TakinYourPoints on 1/4/2013 8:03:03 PM , Rating: 2
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* Charge from any USB port that exists on the planet and they ARE common.
* Connecting to a PC to be used as a modem.


You can do both of those with an iPhone. What, you think that the dock and Lightning connectors don't end with a USB port on the other side?

Everything else you mentioned are fixed by Wifi or Bluetooth (printers, game controllers). Other things like plugging in external hard drives or using the iPhone as external storage to a PC are addressed by free apps. Things like SD card compatibility is native via adapter.

quote:
massive Android ecosystem now dwarfing your precious iOS.


The iOS accessory market is second to none, absolutely massive. Don't believe me, book a flight to Vegas and check out the CES floor, almost everything there is based around the iPhone chassis, its connectors, and AirPlay. If I go to something as simple as a hotel I'm guaranteed to see iPhone compatible sound systems in the rooms. Other stuff, not so much.


RE: Um..
By Piiman on 1/5/2013 11:52:02 AM , Rating: 2
You must be a iPhone user? LOL

Yes to all the above. There's a cool video on youtube of a guy that turned his SG III into a computer complete with screen, keyboard, mouse and the SG iii supports all those devices through the USB port and bluetooth. And you don't need a db9 the siii supports game controller though USB also. Oh and you can use it to tranfer files but since Apple doesn't let you do that I guess you think no one would need it? LOL



RE: Um..
By TakinYourPoints on 1/4/2013 7:40:14 PM , Rating: 2
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They enjoy being under-featured


Man, features like the fastest hardware and the best apps sure are crummy. A cable is more than a worthwhile trade for that stuff!


RE: Um..
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/4/2013 7:57:12 PM , Rating: 2
Man, someone who sounds like a broken record and apple troll is a tool...


RE: Um..
By TakinYourPoints on 1/4/2013 8:06:25 PM , Rating: 2
Why are you always so mad? The best you ever manage to anyone here are ad hominem attacks. At least try and make some sad rebuttal to what I'm actually saying.

If big screens and a micro-USB adapter are your thing, great, I completely understand that, but the idea that these are "advanced" features over things like better hardware and better apps is laughable to me.


RE: Um..
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/4/13, Rating: 0
RE: Um..
By TakinYourPoints on 1/4/2013 8:13:50 PM , Rating: 2
No, repetition isn't what bothers you, if it did then retrospooty's 1000th cut/paste from his .txt file of Android features would have sent you over the deep end eons ago.

Its because what I have to say makes you mad. You need to get laid or something, just chillax.


RE: Um..
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/4/2013 8:16:55 PM , Rating: 1
You need to quit being a tool, but you won't do that now will you?

What you have to say. Again, the same shit day in and day out.


RE: Um..
By xti on 1/4/2013 11:38:02 PM , Rating: 2
i really hate how google play store gets the good stuff months if not a year later :(


RE: Um..
By TakinYourPoints on 1/5/2013 2:39:56 AM , Rating: 2
Or never. It sucks but its one of those truths. Mobile developers have less incentive to port to Android given its smaller userbase using capable smartphones, on a platform with rampant piracy, with the worst SDK out there, on hardware that ranges wildly in hardware specs and OS versions (trash to merely "ok"), for customers that are largely accustomed to free apps or stealing paid versions.

Jumping through so many hoops to make a quarter on Android for every dollar they make on iOS is a huge reason why so many big developers, forget indies with more limited resources, either aren't making the move or take so long for a port.


RE: Um..
By Nortel on 1/4/2013 10:22:39 AM , Rating: 1
Removable battery and hdmi connector will never happen, even phones from other companies are dropping the removable battery to slim down their devices. A lightning to hdmi adapter is currently available; I leave the adapter on my hdmi cable so it isn't much of an issue... but I use airplay more often. SD card we see in the 13" mac air but in keeping with historical evidence, this is a highly unlikely addition. The iPhone 5 PPI is the highest of any phone and they cant simply make the screen bigger without upping the resolution. I haven't heard anyone calling for a huge screen, the note 2 gets laughed at for not being able to fit in ones pocket. 4 inches to 5.5 inches, we're talking a 1.5 inch increase to increase sales? I think not.

Why not look forward to the iPad mini LTE with retina screen coming out this year? Covers most of your requirements too.


RE: Um..
By agent2099 on 1/4/2013 10:32:52 AM , Rating: 2
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The iPhone 5 PPI is the highest of any phone


Correction. The highest of any iphone .

quote:
the note 2 gets laughed at for not being able to fit in ones pocket.


Friend has a note 2, it fits in his pockets quite easily.


RE: Um..
By retrospooty on 1/4/2013 10:33:45 AM , Rating: 2
"The iPhone 5 PPI is the highest of any phone"

Seriously, where do you get your info? The iPhone has 326PPI ... Todays Android 5 inch 1080p screens have 441PPI.

" the note 2 gets laughed at for not being able to fit in ones pocket."

Really? All 10 million of them? Must not be on the same planet as me, because my co-workers Note2 fits in my pocket and when he pulls it out, he gets nothing but envy, not laughter. Especially from iPhone users.


RE: Um..
By Breakfast Susej on 1/4/2013 10:38:27 AM , Rating: 3
And every time I try that at work I just get fired.


RE: Um..
By retrospooty on 1/4/2013 11:40:11 AM , Rating: 2
LOL... 5 and 1/2 inches of glory baby!


RE: Um..
By Nutzo on 1/4/2013 11:09:47 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Removable battery and hdmi connector will never happen, even phones from other companies are dropping the removable battery


HTC dropped the removable battery and SD card from some of thier new phones, which is why I didn't even consider them and went with Samsung.


RE: Um..
By Dorkyman on 1/4/2013 4:52:32 PM , Rating: 2
Many times the wife has forgotten to charge her phone overnight, so we swap our batteries and she's off and running.

Oh, but it takes about 40 seconds and makes the phones 2mm thicker. Bummer.


RE: Um..
By Roffles on 1/4/2013 7:08:11 PM , Rating: 2
Replaceable batteries are better than integrated batteries and that's just the simple truth. I have two spares for a total of three batteries on my GS3. There cheap enough to buy so why not! Before the Jelly Bean update, I was usually able to go 4 and sometimes into the 5th day with moderate use and never touched a power outlet. Since the Jelly Bean update, it's usually 4 days maximum.

For me, this is especially important during business travel, using the phone for gps while hiking/backpacking and those random busy weekends when you might not ever get near a wall socket. I pray Samsung keeps the replaceable batteries for the GS4 - I will probably buy one for that reason alone.


RE: Um..
By TakinYourPoints on 1/4/2013 7:43:58 PM , Rating: 2
That's cool and everything, but for some people that's a lot of extra junk to be spending money on when the device could just be better in the first place. Why have three batteries when you can have one integrated battery with double the battery life (4 hours LTE browse time on a GS3 vs 8+ hours on an iPhone 5).

If buying a bunch of batteries makes sense for you then cool, but I never bought extra batteries even for my laptops. Why spend money and take extra space with more stuff? I expect better battery life in the first place.


RE: Um..
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/4/2013 7:46:19 PM , Rating: 2
Broken record....


RE: Um..
By Roffles on 1/4/2013 8:17:19 PM , Rating: 2
You know who you sound like? You sound like someone who has never bought a spare battery or tried using one -- as such, you have have no idea what you are talking about. You speak from inexperience.

Verizon has 50% off accessories sales about twice a year and a charging station with spare can be had for $25. In relation to the cost of your monthly bill and the price of the phone, a one time expense of $25 is practically nothing! And honestly, define "extra junk". Are your car/house keys extra junk too because they go in your pocket? Are you really comparing carrying around a spare phone battery to a laptop battery. One of them can be carried without notice and the other cannot. You're argument is completely inane.



RE: Um..
By TakinYourPoints on 1/4/2013 8:31:06 PM , Rating: 1
I like carrying around as little as possible, sorry. If having double the battery life means that I don't have to carry extra batteries around, that's awesome.

I dunno, needing to carry extra gear around to make up for inherent deficiencies seems like the inane and inefficient method to me, but whatever floats your boat.


RE: Um..
By TakinYourPoints on 1/4/2013 8:32:47 PM , Rating: 2
And yes, if I could get away without carrying car or house keys then I would absolutely do it, but unfortunately the tech isn't there yet.


RE: Um..
By retrospooty on 1/5/2013 12:49:26 AM , Rating: 2
Seriously, stop saying double the battery life. That is a flat out lie... As I have posted elsewhere the ip5 has even lower talk time than the gs3 you keep bringing up... and no 1 carries a removable battery around ,the point is when you go on a trip or to an event and need extra battery power you have it if you need it.


RE: Um..
By TakinYourPoints on 1/5/2013 12:55:42 AM , Rating: 1
It is over double the battery life with both LTE and Wifi, how is that a lie?

As for talk time, cool, great for people who talk on their phones.

On a trip I just pack a power cord, no big deal.

Like I've said before, I think its fine that there are phones with a replaceable battery. The tradeoff for faster hardware with better apps and more battery life works out for me. If there was a phone with all of the above, and a replaceable battery life without compromising size, THEN it'd be worth talking about for me.


RE: Um..
By retrospooty on 1/5/2013 6:03:20 AM , Rating: 2
"It is over double the battery life with both LTE and Wifi, how is that a lie?"

How? Right here. "If having double the battery life "

It does not have double the battery life. It has even less talk time than the ONE phone you compare it against and double the LTE browsing time. You are cherry picking and you know it. Why you are deliberately trying to falsify things while calling yourself unbiased is beyond me, but I will call you on it every time I see it.


RE: Um..
By TakinYourPoints on 1/5/2013 7:14:12 PM , Rating: 2
Dude, you can't quote out of context to try and win an argument, it doesn't work that way!

quote:
"It is over double the battery life with both LTE and Wifi "


You omitted the bold part to try and make a point, a point that I wasn't even trying to make. Come on dude!

If you want to bring up talk time then that's fine, but don't try and twist what I said specifically about LTE and wifi browsing time into something else. Even then there is only about a 20% difference in talk time versus about a 2x difference in browse time.

I'm not even bringing up CPU and GPU performance to be nice. I don't know why you're getting so bent out of shape over all this anyway, other phones will eventually catch up in most specs. HTC is already doing much better with LTE (7 hours or so) now that they have the newer LTE chips that the iPhone 5 also uses.

GPU performance, app quality, resistance to malware, and timely OS updates are things that won't happen on Android hardware anytime soon, but you can be sure that CPU performance and battery life will catch up shortly. Plus you have bigger screens and the other things that come with larger chassis (replaceable batteries and SD card slots). Other Android handsets like the Nexus 4 are dropping those things that fans like to brag about (Flash support, replaceable batteries, SD cards, etc) as they get smaller and more integrated, but again those choices that bigger phones give will still be there.

Like I always say, pros and cons to every platform.


RE: Um..
By retrospooty on 1/6/2013 12:20:37 AM , Rating: 2
Really? Cuz that's not what I read. "I like carrying around as little as possible, sorry. If having double the battery life means that I don't have to carry extra batteries around, that's awesome"

You are freakin delusional. Twisting words and acting like you werent twisting words, skewing facts and acting like you're not isnt fooling anyone. Whatever... I'm done with feeding your trolling on this.


RE: Um..
By TakinYourPoints on 1/6/2013 7:55:18 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, I don't like carrying around extra things like batteries. If you do then that's totally cool!

Choices, decisions, these are things that actually exist and people are free to make them. I gladly trade more battery life for not needing to carry more batteries, but obviously there are people who prefer the opposite in real life, and that's totally cool.

Again, choices!

Sorry that everything is so black & white in your world.


RE: Um..
By Piiman on 1/5/2013 12:08:59 PM , Rating: 2
or you could buy them online for 4 bucks


RE: Um..
By Donkey2008 on 1/6/2013 11:15:35 PM , Rating: 2
OMG, I have to carry an Apple cable with me instead of multiple spare batteries. Oh the humanity.


RE: Um..
By retrospooty on 1/7/2013 12:18:43 PM , Rating: 2
And if you are on a business trip and not near an electrical outlet then what? What about if you are on a vacation and wont be at any particular stop for long enough to charge it?

Damn Apple fans are often such condescending asses. You need to take the blinders off and realize not everyone likes the limitations.


RE: Um..
By retrospooty on 1/5/2013 12:40:41 AM , Rating: 3
oh here you go with this again. You never answered this the last time so let's re post it to expose your skewing of facts and bias and to shut you up.

1. You keep comparing browsing time, which is one area Apple excels. Look at ALL of the charts. The iPhone 5 has even LESS talk time than the GS3, but you "cherry picked" that right out didnt you? Here is the full picture on this. The iPhone5 has LOWER battery life for talk time, better battery life for web browsing and comparable on other measures.

2. Even with the web browsing, you keep picking the GS3 as if its the only phone out there. For whatever reason, it has poor performance even against other Android phones on web browing. The HTX One X has almost double whathte GS3 has too. So you are cherry picking the best of the iPhone data and the worst of Android and calling it fact. Its not a fact. Here is the facts on web browsing. The iPhone 4 has the best web browsing of the few phones tested, but only by a couple percent compared to the HTC OneX... NOT DOUBLE

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-iphone-5-re...


RE: Um..
By retrospooty on 1/5/2013 12:44:34 AM , Rating: 2
RE: Um..
By TakinYourPoints on 1/5/2013 1:01:06 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
The HTX One X has almost double whathte GS3 has too.


Yeah, and I've brought up the HTC in other threads, several times in fact. The reason the HTC does almost as well as the iPhone (6 hours vs 8) is that it also uses newer Qualcomm parts.

This thread is about Samsung, and I'll talk about the GS3 and Note 2 here. I'm sorry if you can't distinguish between me talking specifically about Samsung devices and blanket statements about the Android platform (poorer dev support, SDK, general performance, lack of vendor support, malware, etc). Those are two different things.


RE: Um..
By retrospooty on 1/5/2013 6:05:31 AM , Rating: 2
Even just focusing on Samsung, you totally cherry pick info and spout it as fact. You are full of shiz you cant see past the rim, and I think you know it.


RE: Um..
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/5/2013 7:32:35 AM , Rating: 2
Time to quit feeding...


RE: Um..
By TakinYourPoints on 1/5/2013 7:19:26 PM , Rating: 2
It is a fact that Samsung hardware like the GS3 has half the browse time and only about 20% more talk time (since you want to bring that in) than the iPhone. The Note 2 doesn't do much better, thanks to its larger battery. Both also have a slower GPU/CPU, again, fact.

Are numbers and hard metrics debatable now? This is like arguing with a creationist.


RE: Um..
By Piiman on 1/5/2013 12:15:37 PM , Rating: 2
It still only has double in web use not total battery life. DUH


RE: Um..
By retrospooty on 1/5/2013 3:27:22 PM , Rating: 2
Even at that, the GS3, for whatever reason really sucks the battery low when web browsing. It has some battery hog issue browsing and scores really low compared to any phone, even other Androids.

This guy takes that one spec, one test from one phone and spouts off "iPhone has double the battery life" for months now. AS if everyone cant see he is sherry picking. It slike, my '12 Civic gets better mileage than a BMW M3, therefore my Civic is a better car LOL.


RE: Um..
By TakinYourPoints on 1/5/2013 7:01:09 PM , Rating: 2
I don't just bring up battery life, I also bring up CPU and GPU performance. If we're talking about the OS then there is generalized performance, fragmentation, lack of vendor support, and app quality as well.

Talking about a bunch of things is not cherry picking. ;)


RE: Um..
By TakinYourPoints on 1/5/2013 7:24:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It has some battery hog issue browsing and scores really low compared to any phone, even other Androids.


The GS3 battery performance is actually pretty close to other Android handsets of similar size and internal hardware out there. I wondered if it was something to do with custom software but it is actually very common.

The GS3 is actually better than 2011 LTE handsets, almost all of which have even worse battery life for browsing.


RE: Um..
By TakinYourPoints on 1/5/2013 8:54:09 PM , Rating: 2
And here are numbers to back this up: http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6022/47401...
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6022/47403...
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6330/50475...

The S3 rates about as well as or even better than most other Android handsets out there. It is about average with wifi and LTE, and near the top of the pack with 3G browsing. Now I know you're going to complain about the GS3 being "old" and this comparison being unfair, but it came out only about 4 months before the iPhone 5. Hardly ancient technology.

More relevant, it doesn't underperform other Android hardware as you claim.

Again, don't you worry, the next Galaxy phones will do much better with battery life once they use the newer more efficient parts that the iPhone 5 and new HTC handsets use.


RE: Um..
By TakinYourPoints on 1/4/2013 7:56:23 PM , Rating: 2
The much lauded Nexus 4 dropped the SD card slot and pretty much did away with a removable battery door. You can still access it by unscrewing the back with a Torx screwdriver, but you can do that with an iPhone as well. You aren't replacing the door of the Nexus 4 either since that's where the antennas are integrated.

This trend will continue as other devices catch up and get smaller in volume. There's only so much room you can have for physical features like that unless you go the giant smartphone or Phablet route like the Note 2.


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