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Beloved icon of Windows history appears to be in the rear view for good

For those upset about the lack of a start button in Windows 8, prepare yourself for another disappointment -- "Windows Blue", an upcoming short-cycle successor to Windows 8, is not expected to bring the feature back.

The source of this supposed leak is CNBeta, a site with close insider ties at Microsoft Corp. (MSFT), which gained respect by accurately leaking a number of early Windows 8 details.

Other info from the site includes suggests that Microsoft will further flatten the UI on the desktop (think the Metro/Windows 8 UI style), the taskbar/desktop will get tweaks, the price will be low (or free), and the new kernel version number will be v6.3 (corroborated by other independent reports).  The final remnants of the Aero UI, which was a staple of Windows Vista and Windows 7 is also being bid adieu, like the Start button before it.

Windows 7 Start Button
The start button went the way of the Dodo with Windows 8. [Image Source: Jason Mick/DailyTech]

Neowin reports that a summer launch of Windows Blue is expected.  And its contacts close to Microsoft hint that the name will be some sort of riff on Windows 8, not Windows 9, as some suspected.

(For the record you can get a Start Menu-like menu by moving your mouse to the lower left corner of the screen and right-clicking.  Voilà, magic!)

Sources: CNBeta, NeoWin



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RE: Free market
By tayb on 12/28/2012 1:08:23 PM , Rating: 2
What is useless about the screen screen? Seriously. I would love to hear specifics.


RE: Free market
By Motoman on 12/28/2012 1:28:46 PM , Rating: 5
The fact that it exists, and obfuscates access to the desktop and Start menu.

It serves no purpose on anything other than a touchscreen device like a tablet. It's less than useless on a laptop or desktop.


RE: Free market
By Etsp on 12/28/2012 2:46:42 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
obfuscates access to the desktop and Start menu
It obfuscates access to...itself?? The start screen IS the start menu. I've been using Windows 8 for a couple of weeks now on my home desktop, no touch input. I'm not having any trouble doing the things I want to do with it.

It is a bit annoying to step away from the desktop to open an app, but that's pretty much my only complaint with it.

It's easy to use with a keyboard. From the desktop, hit the Windows key, type the name of the program you want, and press enter. Boom. Start screen is gone, and your app is open, either on the desktop or as a "Windows 8 app".

Prefer to use the mouse? Hit the windows key and click on your app. Or hover the mouse in the bottom left corner, click to open the start screen, then click on the app.


RE: Free market
By Motoman on 12/28/2012 3:09:28 PM , Rating: 2
...all of which is more work to get the same thing done. Ergo, less than worthless.


RE: Free market
By lotharamious on 12/28/2012 3:24:20 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
...all of which is more work to get the same thing done. Ergo, less than worthless.


Here's what I heard from you, Motoman, based on your original post and response:

"Alalalalala! Not listening! I'm right and you're wrong!"


RE: Free market
By damianrobertjones on 12/28/2012 3:43:49 PM , Rating: 2
Utter bollox.

You STILL have the same facilities available to you along with the expanded options presented by the new interface and Windows 8.


RE: Free market
By Motoman on 12/28/2012 3:47:28 PM , Rating: 3
You're demonstrably wrong. It's harder to get to the same places with that stupid tile interface there.

If you could just delete the tile interface, and have a normal, productive Windows desktop/Start menu again, then fine. But MS won't let you do that.

The tile interface is like the Fisher-Price version of a computer. Made for dummies, by dummies.


RE: Free market
By Cheesew1z69 on 12/28/2012 4:32:13 PM , Rating: 1
Agreed, I tried to remove a password for someone in 8, what a cluster fuck, and even following instructions I had to google for, it STILL did not remove the password.


RE: Free market
By Etsp on 12/28/2012 3:53:15 PM , Rating: 2
How is it more or less work to hit the windows key, start typing the name of your app, and press enter? That's one of the fastest ways to use the start menu in Windows 7, and the process is exactly the same, even if it's visually different.

Between using the start menu and using the start screen, there are no additional steps to take. Not one single mouse-click or keyboard press is required from the desktop to open an application.

Prefer to have apps pinned to the task bar? Well, you can still do that in Windows 8.


RE: Free market
By Etsp on 12/28/2012 4:07:08 PM , Rating: 3
EDIT:
Not one additional mouse-click or keyboard press is required from the desktop to open an application.

*standard dailytech grumble about edit buttons*


RE: Free market
By Motoman on 12/28/2012 5:27:32 PM , Rating: 2
Faster to just not move your right hand from the mouse to the keyboard to type things in. Just mouse over the Start menu and boom - done. And Dog help you if you make a typo while typing into your little box.

The whole reason GUIs were invented were to give a good visual interface to interact with with digital input devices, like mice. Saying "just type stuff in the box" is basically like saying "Just go back to DOS."


RE: Free market
By Etsp on 12/29/2012 12:35:26 AM , Rating: 2
Using the keyboard isn't necessary, and using only the mouse to open an application from the start screen requires the exact same actions as on windows 7.

Windows 7:
Move cursor to start button (aka: bottom left corner of the screen.)
Left-Click
Move cursor to application you wish to run.
Left-Click

Windows 8:
Move cursor to bottom left corner of the screen.
Left-Click
Move cursor to application you wish to run.
Left-Click

The big difference between 7 and 8? 8 gives you a much larger list of applications to choose from without additional clicks. You're free to rearrange how the applications are ordered and sized.


RE: Free market
By tayb on 12/28/2012 7:03:29 PM , Rating: 2
Do you know what the word obfuscate means?

If you would get over the fact that it's full screen you would come to the realization that it is an enhanced start menu that takes up the full screen. And the fact that it takes up the full screen is absolutely meaningless.

As per usual with blind haters/fanboys such as yourself, you didn't even list anything. "Obfuscating" the desktop (and itself??) isn't a critique, it's an flawed observation. At least you've done so with vigor!


RE: Free market
By Motoman on 12/28/2012 8:15:22 PM , Rating: 4
It's only an "enhanced start menu" to people that are stupid enough to believe such BS - like yourself. To the rest of us, who aren't retarded, it's a cell phone UI.

The tiles are infinitely less useful than just icons and widgets on the Win7 desktop. And putting the Start menu anywhere but *right there* is an abject failure of catastrophic proportions. Idiots like most people supporting Win8 only use Facebook and email - so it doesn't matter what their UI is. Others, like me, have dozens or hundreds of programs installed on their PC, and the tile interface is horrifically unsuitable for any imaginable organization to arrange and access them. The start menu, on the other hand, is so good that it essentially can't be improved upon.

But, children never listen and have to learn the hard way, I guess...


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