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Samsung aims high for 2013

With the final days of 2012 upon us, many companies are looking forward to “great success” in 2013. Samsung is expecting to sell 510 million mobile phones next year, which would represent a 20 percent rise compared to 2012.

Of the 510 million mobile phones it expects to sell, 390 million will be smartphones with the remainder coming from the sale of feature/budget phones.

"There are some possibilities that smartphone demand will slow in general. But we are seeing new demand for devices using Long Term Evolution (LTE),'' said Kim Hyun-joon, an executive at Samsung's telecommunications division."

Samsung also announced that it intends to build 240 million devices at its Vietnamese factory, 170 million devices in China, 20 million in India, and 40 million devices at its Korean factory. Samsung also plans to spend $2.2 billion upgrading handset factories in Vietnam by 2020 to boost output.

"By offering better pricing to consumers in developing nations, we will find new growth. This will also enable consumers in developed nations like North America and Europe to buy our LTE devices at more affordable prices,'' said a Samsung official.

Analysts are predicting that Samsung will dethrone Nokia to become the top handset shipper in the world for 2012. Nokia has held that title for 14 years. 

Source: Korea Times



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RE: A tale of two cities
By Nortel on 12/27/2012 1:32:26 PM , Rating: -1
Believe it or not, I didn't pay $600 for my phone off contract to stuff it in a $30 rubberized plastic case.

Gimmicks like storage expansion and removable battery (I don't know a single person who actually swaps out their micro SD card or battery) shouldn't be the driving factor in selling devices. Look past the gimmicks, to the aspects you use daily on your device. I happen to hold my phone and appreciate it not feeling like cheap plastic. I make calls, so call quality is important, as is LTE and cpu speed when browsing and light gaming. To say "I bought the GS3 because it was the only phone that had what I wanted" is nonsense, there are many Android phones which are way better. When will Samsung fanboys realize they are buying crappy overpriced products?


RE: A tale of two cities
By KentState on 12/27/2012 1:38:53 PM , Rating: 2
In July, which Android phones were better? Sounds like someone is trying to justify their $600 purchase awfully hard.


RE: A tale of two cities
By Cheesew1z69 on 12/27/2012 1:54:34 PM , Rating: 4
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Gimmicks like storage expansion and removable battery (I don't know a single person who actually swaps out their micro SD card or battery) shouldn't be the driving factor in selling devices.
Right, because Apple doesn't have them, it's a "gimmick"...

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I happen to hold my phone and appreciate it not feeling like cheap plastic.
Then you must have some knock off of the actual GS3 as it really doesn't feel like "cheap" plastic.

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When will Samsung fanboys realize they are buying crappy overpriced products?
When will you realize no one gives 2 shits about your pathetic, constant whining?

Sell your GS3 to someone who actually appreciates it, get your iPhone and jerk off on it and shut the fuck up. My lord you are pathetic.


RE: A tale of two cities
By Roffles on 12/27/2012 2:34:29 PM , Rating: 2
All you're really saying here is you don't know what you're talking about. The truth is that having to tie your phone to a power outlet for 3-4 hours at a time and not being able to expand your local storage are, in fact, the definition of a gimmick.

Us normal, intelligent folks understand that swapping out a dead battery for a new one (a process that takes less than 60 seconds compared to tethering it to an outlet for half a day) and expanding my local storage (64GB microSDXC for ~$70 compared to paying an extra $100 for 32GB integrated) are nothing more than added features that make the phone a better bargain and more useful. You can spin it any way you want but facts are facts -- these are FEATURES that give the GS3 an advantage.

And of all the reviews, BY PROFESSIONAL REVIEWERS, I've ever read or seen on tech sites and YouTube, they all prefer the feel in the hand and feel in the pocket of the GS3 over HTC's and Motorola's competing Android offerings. In fact, the only time I ever hear "cheap plastic" is on Internet forums like this from people who can easily be identify as not having handled the phone for any measurable amount of time to develop a meaningful opinion.

The only way I will choose a phone that lacks expandable storage and replaceable battery is when phone technology advances to the point where you can go 18-24 hours on a charge with heavy use and comes with 80GB+ storage. We'll be lucky if that happens in 2013.

At any rate, your thought process is completely backwards. I mean, you're railing on a phone that OFFERS MORE FEATURES because your friends don't use them -- that's actually funny and I would point at you and laugh if you had said it to my face. As if you don't understand why the GS3 was sold in numbers that dwarfed HTC and Motorola's competitive offerings in 2012.



RE: A tale of two cities
By retrospooty on 12/27/2012 4:45:14 PM , Rating: 2
"Gimmicks like storage expansion and removable battery "

Are you serious? Gimmicks? Those are 2 HIGHLY useful features. Just because you wall yourself off in your little Apple world and don't utilize technology doesnt mean other people are the same. Guess what? Some people use NFC and really like larger screens with higher res too. Some people even use their mini HDMI ports to plug into TV sets.

Look, Apple makes a good phone, and I get why you like it, but FFS, its missing SO MANY things for a high end phone. Its basically a high end phone with regards to CPU/GPU and build quality and a low end phone with regards to screen and features. Its just missing way too much to be a high end phone.


RE: A tale of two cities
By ProZach on 12/27/2012 4:58:09 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed.

I find the iPhone more and more useless each someone asks me, "How do I upload (media) to my phone?"

Most educated consumers don't need an overpriced trendy device to feel better/superior, nor would they only consider the glass + aluminum + a fruit stamp to compensate for their own short-comings.


RE: A tale of two cities
By Nortel on 12/28/12, Rating: 0
RE: A tale of two cities
By Mint on 12/28/2012 11:23:45 AM , Rating: 2
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It's the same price as the overpriced plastic Samsung offerings and has a way better camera, screen
Yeah, you keep telling yourself that. The only phone with a "way better camera" than the competition are the Lumia 808 and 920. All other top phones are splitting hairs.

How are Apple screens way better? Samsung have paved new ground with AMOLED, and personally I will never buy another phone with LCD again after seeing the near-infinite contrast and colors (which I can tone down for photo viewing if I want) of OLED.

Apple has lower resolution to boot. It's hilarious when I hear Apple brainwashed claim higher PPI is sharper. Hold the larger 720p/768p screens further away and voila: sharper image hitting your retina.


RE: A tale of two cities
By Cheesew1z69 on 12/28/2012 11:25:08 AM , Rating: 2
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How are Apple screens way better?
Because it's APPLE! DUH!


RE: A tale of two cities
By Mint on 12/28/2012 11:31:21 AM , Rating: 2
Oh yeah, and price? Equal MSRP doesn't mean equal price. The S3 has long cost less than the top iPhone, an it's not even close when you add in the price of extra storage options.

The iPhone is pretty much the best SMALL smartphone, i.e for those who want something light and see absolutely no value in a >4" screen. For everyone else, there are better options.


RE: A tale of two cities
By TakinYourPoints on 12/28/2012 6:56:49 AM , Rating: 2
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and a low end phone with regards to screen


Such an uninformed statement. The iPhone 5 has one of the highest quality screens out there. Great pixel density aside, it is also one of the few devices with proper sRGB calibration. Compare it with a GS3 or Note 2 and their usual overly contrasty and oversaturated images and there is no comparison in quality or accuracy.

This is the part where you bring up the higher resolution on the GS3, ignoring the fact that it has fewer subpixels than a "lower" res iPhone and can't render text or fine detail well at all. The Note 2 does better than the GS3 because of its pixel array but it really sacrifices pixel density for a larger screen. Win some lose some.

Fortunately HTC has some phones with good displays, those share the high end of display quality with the iPhone.

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and features


Too bad the iPhone is stuck with lame features like the fastest hardware, over 8 hours of LTE browsing battery life, the best developer support, knowing it'll be supported for longer than a two year contract, etc etc.

Oh man, so many high end features its missing! ;)


RE: A tale of two cities
By retrospooty on 12/28/2012 7:49:18 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, I wouldnt bring up GS3, since its already old. YOU keep doing that becasue it helps your point. Lets look at any of the newer phones with 5 inch 1080p screen mmmkay? And as far as quality, yes the iPhone screen is a good quality screen for a low end spec. Its still low end. The small size and lower res than all if its competitors make it a low end screen. The Honda Civic is a good quality low end car. It lasts and has good features, but its not up there with BMW by any means. So yes, I absolutely stand behind what I said above. The iPhone is a low end device with a high end GPU. With all the features it is missing and areas where the competition blows it away it just inst up to par and you know it. I know you know it becasue I see you repetitively picking and choosing facts that make it look good and selectively ignoring areas where it lacks. You have to be aware of it to ignore it so selectively.

Another thing I am sure you see is that the competition is innovating faster and at some point soon, even you wont be able to remain in denial.


RE: A tale of two cities
By Labotomizer on 12/28/2012 10:17:43 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, he mentions HTC as having good screens, and they're the ones making the 5" 1080p Droid DNA. And it does have a pretty awesome display. As does my HTC 8X. I actually prefer the 4.3" screen, but choice is always good and some like the larger sizes. I'm just glad my wife likes the 4.3" "screen" too, or I'd be in trouble!

On a more serious note, removable storage and replacement batteries are critical features to some users. I would like removable storage only to be able to increase the storage on my device. I highly doubt I would even change it out once I had added a 32GB MicroSD card. That said my 25GB skydrive account more than offsets it when combined with unlimited LTE on Verizon. As for the battery, every phone I've had up until this one had a removable battery. And the only ones I ever changed were early smart phones with extended batteries. So those features, while nice, aren't terribly important to me. Of course it may be a deal breaker for you to not have them. Again, choice is fine.

They all have their strengths and weaknesses, including the iPhone. Which I would never personally own, but I did buy an iPhone 4 and now a 5 for my wife. She likes it and it requires absolutely zero involvement from me for her to do what she wants. That's great. My daughter is 7 and wants a Windows Phone, but I think we'll hold off until her 8th birthday. Hard to justify $100/month for a 7 year old...

Choice drives competition, competition drives innovation and lowers prices. We all win. Well, except Apple seems really good at ignoring the price part of that equation. I wish I owned a business that could do that.


RE: A tale of two cities
By retrospooty on 12/28/2012 10:28:21 AM , Rating: 2
How do you like that 8x? I have been dying to get my hands on a WP8 device to try it out, but no luck. All our users keep picking Android and iPhones.


RE: A tale of two cities
By Labotomizer on 12/28/2012 11:06:22 AM , Rating: 2
Never owned a better phone. The keyboard is at least as good as SwiftKey and I prefer it over the iPhone/iPad keyboard because of the multiple autocorrect options. It's thin, light, feels good and ~340 ppi makes for an outstanding display. If I were on ATT I probably would have bought the 920 but after using a couple of them that my coworkers purchased, I'm truly happy I went with the 8X instead. And people comment on it all the time.

And if you have a kid, Kid's Corner is probably the greatest feature of all time. Isolated user account with access to specific apps and games, so she can't read/delete email and texts. Awesome.


RE: A tale of two cities
By retrospooty on 12/28/2012 2:39:23 PM , Rating: 2
Sweet. Cant wait to try it.


RE: A tale of two cities
By retrospooty on 12/28/2012 4:37:26 PM , Rating: 2
Forget that... Cant wait to see this...

5 inch 1080p Micro SD, and 6.9mm thin

http://phandroid.com/2012/12/27/zte-grand-s-unveil...


RE: A tale of two cities
By MartyLK on 12/28/2012 4:55:41 PM , Rating: 2
This is good. All competition is good. This will help make Samsung and the others improve. The ceramic construction is more desirable than plain ol' plastic. Not as desirable as metal, buy hey, whatchagonnado?


RE: A tale of two cities
By TakinYourPoints on 12/28/2012 5:43:52 PM , Rating: 2
We'll see. I hope so, but while other companies improve the quality of their screens and chassis, Samsung continues to bury them. HTC and Motorola can keep improving their hardware but as long as Samsung keeps getting away with cutting corners on quality I don't see how they'll have incentive to improve.

Like, the gap in sales continues to widen, so I dunno...


RE: A tale of two cities
By Mint on 12/28/2012 11:55:39 AM , Rating: 2
The Note 2 has a display settings option of "natural" and "movie" if you don't like the high gamut colors, and it's pretty accurate as tested by CNET.

Most people do like it, though. For contrast - which has long been what separates the best displays from the rest - the iPhone can't touch OLED. Any time you see black on your iPhone, you're looking at an inaccurate color, so it's not as lopsided as you think.

The pixel density argument is BS. If you hold a higher resolution but lower PPI screen a few inches farther from your face, you get a sharper image hitting your retina.


RE: A tale of two cities
By retrospooty on 12/28/2012 2:47:37 PM , Rating: 2
Nah, Pixel density was inportant, when Apple had the highest. Now that there are 5 inch 1080p phones on the market with well over 400ppi and Apple is far from the top, its no longer important. ;)

See how that works? Just like 3G wasn't important on the original iPhone but later was, and 4G wasn't important, until it was, and notifications, and multitasking and copy/paste. Now that the iPhone has those things it's important.

What isnt important is - Larger Screens, Higher resolution screens, NFC, Mapping software, HD content, Mini HDMI port, Multi user support, removable batteries, Micro SD card, Micro USB... Unless of course Apple implements any of it then that item is suddenly important.


RE: A tale of two cities
By TakinYourPoints on 12/28/2012 5:25:22 PM , Rating: 2
Nope, pixel density is always important, when did I ever say otherwise? Same with 3G and 4G, but I always knew it wasn't there because the parts weren't power efficient enough. LTE in 2011 meant very low battery life. When Apple decides to implement it its when it yields over 8 hours of LTE browse time, double that of the Galaxy series.

None of this is arbitrary. I know you look at things from a "fan" point of view, but some of us here look at things from a logical and practical point of view. It isn't about "this sucks until my team has it", it is about "this sucks because of technical limitations that will eventually get sorted out".

As for displays, pixel density, subpixel arrangement, and color accuracy are the most important things in a display. Higher resolution being the product of a larger screen is a questionable advantage, given that it is the result of a bigger screen that is not optimally ergonomic and comes down to personal choice.


RE: A tale of two cities
By retrospooty on 12/28/2012 8:15:07 PM , Rating: 2
Right... You look at it from a logical pov, yet you still ignore all the many things the iPhone is missing.

Come on TYP. There is good in you, I can sense it. Turn away from the dark side.


RE: A tale of two cities
By TakinYourPoints on 12/29/2012 6:02:23 AM , Rating: 2
In over a decade of owning laptops I never once bought a spare battery, why would I ever want to carry one around for my phone? Why carry a spare battery when my iPhone gets literally double the LTE browsing time of other high end Android devices?

SD card storage doesn't concern me either, the tradeoff between that and a smaller device is an easy one. Hey, my Kindles haven't had SD card expansion since the first generation, and I'm GLAD they ditched it, it made the devices much smaller and more portable. Again, I'm totally cool with it.

Sorry dude, I know those things mean a lot to you but I'll take smaller chassis, better screens, better applications, guaranteed vendor support for longer than the period of my two year phone contract, and awesome battery life over a replaceable battery and an SD card slot. Those things aren't valuable tradeoffs for me, sorry!


RE: A tale of two cities
By retrospooty on 12/29/2012 7:51:23 AM , Rating: 2
I get that you don't need it, but some people go on trips where its inconvenient to have to stop and re-charge. On those trips it is nice to bring an extra battery to remain connected with the world/work/whatever it is that you do with your phone. I get that you personally dont need an sd card, but I never considered your one phone or mine to drive anything. We are talking platforms and what drives sales (at least I thought).

Anyhow, I can see that you still insist on picking that one benchmark of LTE browsing that makes Apple look the best so you clearly arent ready to have a real unbiased debate about it. Apples battery life is good, and in most cases up at or very near the top, but you consantly cherry picking that one sort of outs you. Bummer.


RE: A tale of two cities
By TakinYourPoints on 12/29/2012 8:23:27 PM , Rating: 3
Double the LTE browsing time isn't cherry picking.

Double the wifi browsing time isn't cherry picking.

The best apps isn't cherry picking.

The best developer support isn't cherry picking.

Guaranteed vendor support for years isn't cherry picking.

The fastest hardware by every metric isn't cherry picking.

Dude, how are singling out some of the most fundamentally important aspects of any mobile device (performance, battery life, developer support) cherry picking? Seriously?

And what sorts you out is your choice of words above:

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Come on TYP. There is good in you, I can sense it. Turn away from the dark side.


Your and many fans positions don't come from a place of practicality or objective analysis, it comes from some ridiculous ideological POV where "Apple is evil".

I didn't buy "Microsoft is evil" in the 90s and I sure as hell don't buy "Apple is evil" now. It is a ridiculous and entirely irrelevant argument, all that matters to me is the quality of the product and if it fits my needs. It is like that idiot Motoman who steers his customers into currently inferior AMD parts because "Intel is evil". Ridiculous!

I dunno, it is hard having rational discussions with ideologues and fans, and they're legion here.

And as for this:
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but some people go on trips where its inconvenient to have to stop and re-charge.


There are products from companies like Mophie and others if you really need that sort of thing (cases and power stations). Either way, the need for a replaceable battery is seriously diminished when you're getting literally double what other comparable products get. It'll get there for everyone else though once they get newer tech in, don't you worry.


RE: A tale of two cities
By retrospooty on 12/30/2012 10:27:09 AM , Rating: 2
??? The very definition of Cherry picking is to take the best points of data and ignore the rest, which is exactly what you do with battery life, but whatever.

"Your and many fans positions don't come from a place of practicality or objective analysis, it comes from some ridiculous ideological POV where "Apple is evil"."

I was j/k come now.

"you're getting literally double what other comparable products get. "

See, this is what I was talking about. Check the link below. I know we both trust Anandtech. Let me point out 2 things.

1. You keep comparing browsing time, which is one area Apple excels. Look at ALL of the charts. The iPhone 5 has even LESS talk time than the GS3, but you "cherry picked" that right out didnt you? Here is the full picture on this. The iPhone5 has LOWER battery life for talk time, better battery life for web browsing and comparable on other measures.

2. Even with the web browsing, you keep picking the GS3 as if its the only phone out there. For whatever reason, it has poor performance even against other Android phones on web browing. The HTX One X has almost double whathte GS3 has too. So you are cherry picking the best of the iPhone data and the worst of Android and calling it fact. Its not a fact. Here is the facts on web browsing. The iPhone 4 has the best web browsing of the phones tested, but only by a couple percent compared to the HTC OneX... NOT DOUBLE

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-iphone-5-re...

Any more questions of cherry picking? I will be happy to answer them for you =)


RE: A tale of two cities
By Piiman on 12/29/2012 6:59:07 PM , Rating: 2
OK you seem to be missing something about having a replaceable battery. Sooner or later your battery will not charge and then what do you do? I can go buy one for 10.00 bucks and put it in. You?

Let me guess that doesn't matter to you?


RE: A tale of two cities
By TakinYourPoints on 12/29/2012 8:11:01 PM , Rating: 2
I had an iPhone 4 for almost two and a half years and it kept a charge like the day I got it. If it does happen to crap out then I can bring it in and get it replaced.

No big deal, and I'm not going to get bent out of shape over hypothetical "maybe/what-if" situations when the present benefits (longer battery life and smaller chassis) and replacement options exist.


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