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Samsung aims high for 2013

With the final days of 2012 upon us, many companies are looking forward to “great success” in 2013. Samsung is expecting to sell 510 million mobile phones next year, which would represent a 20 percent rise compared to 2012.

Of the 510 million mobile phones it expects to sell, 390 million will be smartphones with the remainder coming from the sale of feature/budget phones.

"There are some possibilities that smartphone demand will slow in general. But we are seeing new demand for devices using Long Term Evolution (LTE),'' said Kim Hyun-joon, an executive at Samsung's telecommunications division."

Samsung also announced that it intends to build 240 million devices at its Vietnamese factory, 170 million devices in China, 20 million in India, and 40 million devices at its Korean factory. Samsung also plans to spend $2.2 billion upgrading handset factories in Vietnam by 2020 to boost output.

"By offering better pricing to consumers in developing nations, we will find new growth. This will also enable consumers in developed nations like North America and Europe to buy our LTE devices at more affordable prices,'' said a Samsung official.

Analysts are predicting that Samsung will dethrone Nokia to become the top handset shipper in the world for 2012. Nokia has held that title for 14 years. 

Source: Korea Times



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A tale of two cities
By Nortel on 12/27/2012 11:29:50 AM , Rating: -1
"If I cannot overwhelm with my quality, I will overwhelm with my quantity" - Emile Zola

Not ceramic, metal, kevlar or carbon fibre, we're talking plastic case construction. Hell even the stylus is cheap plastic, the very same injection molded plastic used across almost their entire product line. Sheep put on their blinders and ignore HTC, Apple and even Motorola whom put out a quality product and still support Samsung. I wonder when people will wake up and realize Samsung doesn't care about anything but their bottom line; making the cheapest product possible and still charging the same as other premium devices.

Does nobody care about quality now adays? Would you pay the exact same for a plastic watch vs a stainless steel Swiss?




RE: A tale of two cities
By retrospooty on 12/27/2012 11:46:51 AM , Rating: 2
Not everyone sees it the same as you. I was never a big fan of plastic, but I have to say this GS3's plastic is really tough. It doesnt look and feel as nice, but every Aluminum phone I have ever had gets scratched badly and quickly. One drop and its marred. This plastic is super strong and scratch resistant. It looks 100% new and its 5 months old now. It looks and feels plasticky, but it performs bettter than any other material I have ever seen.

I am up in the air if I prefer it or not depending on mood. I love the look and feel of higher quality materials, but I hate seeing scratches.


RE: A tale of two cities
By Mint on 12/28/2012 11:05:24 AM , Rating: 2
Don't forget the simplicity (for both manufacturing and the user) of removing the plastic back cover to change the battery or microSD card.

That's a major selling point for their phones, and likely the biggest reason that Samsung is sticking with plastic for its top end phones. I don't think tiny metal latches could have the same flexibility without being prone to snapping or warping.


RE: A tale of two cities
By tviceman on 12/27/2012 12:05:25 PM , Rating: 2
I have to say I agree. I chose the HTC evo 4g LTE because the phone over the GS3 because the GS3 felt like a cheap, flop-in-the-wind plastic credit card. The U.S. based GS3 has pretty much the same specs as the EVO LTE, but the build quality of the EVO was just so much better when comparing the two at the same time.


RE: A tale of two cities
By KentState on 12/27/2012 12:05:44 PM , Rating: 2
I guess you miss the things that also important like battery life, screen and size, features, cpu, storage expansion and so on. Secondly, what does it matter if the phone is plastic, kevlar or some other rare earth metal when they are 99% of the time wrapped in a case?


RE: A tale of two cities
By Nortel on 12/27/12, Rating: -1
RE: A tale of two cities
By KentState on 12/27/2012 1:38:53 PM , Rating: 2
In July, which Android phones were better? Sounds like someone is trying to justify their $600 purchase awfully hard.


RE: A tale of two cities
By Cheesew1z69 on 12/27/2012 1:54:34 PM , Rating: 4
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Gimmicks like storage expansion and removable battery (I don't know a single person who actually swaps out their micro SD card or battery) shouldn't be the driving factor in selling devices.
Right, because Apple doesn't have them, it's a "gimmick"...

quote:
I happen to hold my phone and appreciate it not feeling like cheap plastic.
Then you must have some knock off of the actual GS3 as it really doesn't feel like "cheap" plastic.

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When will Samsung fanboys realize they are buying crappy overpriced products?
When will you realize no one gives 2 shits about your pathetic, constant whining?

Sell your GS3 to someone who actually appreciates it, get your iPhone and jerk off on it and shut the fuck up. My lord you are pathetic.


RE: A tale of two cities
By Roffles on 12/27/2012 2:34:29 PM , Rating: 2
All you're really saying here is you don't know what you're talking about. The truth is that having to tie your phone to a power outlet for 3-4 hours at a time and not being able to expand your local storage are, in fact, the definition of a gimmick.

Us normal, intelligent folks understand that swapping out a dead battery for a new one (a process that takes less than 60 seconds compared to tethering it to an outlet for half a day) and expanding my local storage (64GB microSDXC for ~$70 compared to paying an extra $100 for 32GB integrated) are nothing more than added features that make the phone a better bargain and more useful. You can spin it any way you want but facts are facts -- these are FEATURES that give the GS3 an advantage.

And of all the reviews, BY PROFESSIONAL REVIEWERS, I've ever read or seen on tech sites and YouTube, they all prefer the feel in the hand and feel in the pocket of the GS3 over HTC's and Motorola's competing Android offerings. In fact, the only time I ever hear "cheap plastic" is on Internet forums like this from people who can easily be identify as not having handled the phone for any measurable amount of time to develop a meaningful opinion.

The only way I will choose a phone that lacks expandable storage and replaceable battery is when phone technology advances to the point where you can go 18-24 hours on a charge with heavy use and comes with 80GB+ storage. We'll be lucky if that happens in 2013.

At any rate, your thought process is completely backwards. I mean, you're railing on a phone that OFFERS MORE FEATURES because your friends don't use them -- that's actually funny and I would point at you and laugh if you had said it to my face. As if you don't understand why the GS3 was sold in numbers that dwarfed HTC and Motorola's competitive offerings in 2012.



RE: A tale of two cities
By retrospooty on 12/27/2012 4:45:14 PM , Rating: 2
"Gimmicks like storage expansion and removable battery "

Are you serious? Gimmicks? Those are 2 HIGHLY useful features. Just because you wall yourself off in your little Apple world and don't utilize technology doesnt mean other people are the same. Guess what? Some people use NFC and really like larger screens with higher res too. Some people even use their mini HDMI ports to plug into TV sets.

Look, Apple makes a good phone, and I get why you like it, but FFS, its missing SO MANY things for a high end phone. Its basically a high end phone with regards to CPU/GPU and build quality and a low end phone with regards to screen and features. Its just missing way too much to be a high end phone.


RE: A tale of two cities
By ProZach on 12/27/2012 4:58:09 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed.

I find the iPhone more and more useless each someone asks me, "How do I upload (media) to my phone?"

Most educated consumers don't need an overpriced trendy device to feel better/superior, nor would they only consider the glass + aluminum + a fruit stamp to compensate for their own short-comings.


RE: A tale of two cities
By Nortel on 12/28/12, Rating: 0
RE: A tale of two cities
By Mint on 12/28/2012 11:23:45 AM , Rating: 2
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It's the same price as the overpriced plastic Samsung offerings and has a way better camera, screen
Yeah, you keep telling yourself that. The only phone with a "way better camera" than the competition are the Lumia 808 and 920. All other top phones are splitting hairs.

How are Apple screens way better? Samsung have paved new ground with AMOLED, and personally I will never buy another phone with LCD again after seeing the near-infinite contrast and colors (which I can tone down for photo viewing if I want) of OLED.

Apple has lower resolution to boot. It's hilarious when I hear Apple brainwashed claim higher PPI is sharper. Hold the larger 720p/768p screens further away and voila: sharper image hitting your retina.


RE: A tale of two cities
By Cheesew1z69 on 12/28/2012 11:25:08 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
How are Apple screens way better?
Because it's APPLE! DUH!


RE: A tale of two cities
By Mint on 12/28/2012 11:31:21 AM , Rating: 2
Oh yeah, and price? Equal MSRP doesn't mean equal price. The S3 has long cost less than the top iPhone, an it's not even close when you add in the price of extra storage options.

The iPhone is pretty much the best SMALL smartphone, i.e for those who want something light and see absolutely no value in a >4" screen. For everyone else, there are better options.


RE: A tale of two cities
By TakinYourPoints on 12/28/2012 6:56:49 AM , Rating: 2
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and a low end phone with regards to screen


Such an uninformed statement. The iPhone 5 has one of the highest quality screens out there. Great pixel density aside, it is also one of the few devices with proper sRGB calibration. Compare it with a GS3 or Note 2 and their usual overly contrasty and oversaturated images and there is no comparison in quality or accuracy.

This is the part where you bring up the higher resolution on the GS3, ignoring the fact that it has fewer subpixels than a "lower" res iPhone and can't render text or fine detail well at all. The Note 2 does better than the GS3 because of its pixel array but it really sacrifices pixel density for a larger screen. Win some lose some.

Fortunately HTC has some phones with good displays, those share the high end of display quality with the iPhone.

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and features


Too bad the iPhone is stuck with lame features like the fastest hardware, over 8 hours of LTE browsing battery life, the best developer support, knowing it'll be supported for longer than a two year contract, etc etc.

Oh man, so many high end features its missing! ;)


RE: A tale of two cities
By retrospooty on 12/28/2012 7:49:18 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, I wouldnt bring up GS3, since its already old. YOU keep doing that becasue it helps your point. Lets look at any of the newer phones with 5 inch 1080p screen mmmkay? And as far as quality, yes the iPhone screen is a good quality screen for a low end spec. Its still low end. The small size and lower res than all if its competitors make it a low end screen. The Honda Civic is a good quality low end car. It lasts and has good features, but its not up there with BMW by any means. So yes, I absolutely stand behind what I said above. The iPhone is a low end device with a high end GPU. With all the features it is missing and areas where the competition blows it away it just inst up to par and you know it. I know you know it becasue I see you repetitively picking and choosing facts that make it look good and selectively ignoring areas where it lacks. You have to be aware of it to ignore it so selectively.

Another thing I am sure you see is that the competition is innovating faster and at some point soon, even you wont be able to remain in denial.


RE: A tale of two cities
By Labotomizer on 12/28/2012 10:17:43 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, he mentions HTC as having good screens, and they're the ones making the 5" 1080p Droid DNA. And it does have a pretty awesome display. As does my HTC 8X. I actually prefer the 4.3" screen, but choice is always good and some like the larger sizes. I'm just glad my wife likes the 4.3" "screen" too, or I'd be in trouble!

On a more serious note, removable storage and replacement batteries are critical features to some users. I would like removable storage only to be able to increase the storage on my device. I highly doubt I would even change it out once I had added a 32GB MicroSD card. That said my 25GB skydrive account more than offsets it when combined with unlimited LTE on Verizon. As for the battery, every phone I've had up until this one had a removable battery. And the only ones I ever changed were early smart phones with extended batteries. So those features, while nice, aren't terribly important to me. Of course it may be a deal breaker for you to not have them. Again, choice is fine.

They all have their strengths and weaknesses, including the iPhone. Which I would never personally own, but I did buy an iPhone 4 and now a 5 for my wife. She likes it and it requires absolutely zero involvement from me for her to do what she wants. That's great. My daughter is 7 and wants a Windows Phone, but I think we'll hold off until her 8th birthday. Hard to justify $100/month for a 7 year old...

Choice drives competition, competition drives innovation and lowers prices. We all win. Well, except Apple seems really good at ignoring the price part of that equation. I wish I owned a business that could do that.


RE: A tale of two cities
By retrospooty on 12/28/2012 10:28:21 AM , Rating: 2
How do you like that 8x? I have been dying to get my hands on a WP8 device to try it out, but no luck. All our users keep picking Android and iPhones.


RE: A tale of two cities
By Labotomizer on 12/28/2012 11:06:22 AM , Rating: 2
Never owned a better phone. The keyboard is at least as good as SwiftKey and I prefer it over the iPhone/iPad keyboard because of the multiple autocorrect options. It's thin, light, feels good and ~340 ppi makes for an outstanding display. If I were on ATT I probably would have bought the 920 but after using a couple of them that my coworkers purchased, I'm truly happy I went with the 8X instead. And people comment on it all the time.

And if you have a kid, Kid's Corner is probably the greatest feature of all time. Isolated user account with access to specific apps and games, so she can't read/delete email and texts. Awesome.


RE: A tale of two cities
By retrospooty on 12/28/2012 2:39:23 PM , Rating: 2
Sweet. Cant wait to try it.


RE: A tale of two cities
By retrospooty on 12/28/2012 4:37:26 PM , Rating: 2
Forget that... Cant wait to see this...

5 inch 1080p Micro SD, and 6.9mm thin

http://phandroid.com/2012/12/27/zte-grand-s-unveil...


RE: A tale of two cities
By MartyLK on 12/28/2012 4:55:41 PM , Rating: 2
This is good. All competition is good. This will help make Samsung and the others improve. The ceramic construction is more desirable than plain ol' plastic. Not as desirable as metal, buy hey, whatchagonnado?


RE: A tale of two cities
By TakinYourPoints on 12/28/2012 5:43:52 PM , Rating: 2
We'll see. I hope so, but while other companies improve the quality of their screens and chassis, Samsung continues to bury them. HTC and Motorola can keep improving their hardware but as long as Samsung keeps getting away with cutting corners on quality I don't see how they'll have incentive to improve.

Like, the gap in sales continues to widen, so I dunno...


RE: A tale of two cities
By Mint on 12/28/2012 11:55:39 AM , Rating: 2
The Note 2 has a display settings option of "natural" and "movie" if you don't like the high gamut colors, and it's pretty accurate as tested by CNET.

Most people do like it, though. For contrast - which has long been what separates the best displays from the rest - the iPhone can't touch OLED. Any time you see black on your iPhone, you're looking at an inaccurate color, so it's not as lopsided as you think.

The pixel density argument is BS. If you hold a higher resolution but lower PPI screen a few inches farther from your face, you get a sharper image hitting your retina.


RE: A tale of two cities
By retrospooty on 12/28/2012 2:47:37 PM , Rating: 2
Nah, Pixel density was inportant, when Apple had the highest. Now that there are 5 inch 1080p phones on the market with well over 400ppi and Apple is far from the top, its no longer important. ;)

See how that works? Just like 3G wasn't important on the original iPhone but later was, and 4G wasn't important, until it was, and notifications, and multitasking and copy/paste. Now that the iPhone has those things it's important.

What isnt important is - Larger Screens, Higher resolution screens, NFC, Mapping software, HD content, Mini HDMI port, Multi user support, removable batteries, Micro SD card, Micro USB... Unless of course Apple implements any of it then that item is suddenly important.


RE: A tale of two cities
By TakinYourPoints on 12/28/2012 5:25:22 PM , Rating: 2
Nope, pixel density is always important, when did I ever say otherwise? Same with 3G and 4G, but I always knew it wasn't there because the parts weren't power efficient enough. LTE in 2011 meant very low battery life. When Apple decides to implement it its when it yields over 8 hours of LTE browse time, double that of the Galaxy series.

None of this is arbitrary. I know you look at things from a "fan" point of view, but some of us here look at things from a logical and practical point of view. It isn't about "this sucks until my team has it", it is about "this sucks because of technical limitations that will eventually get sorted out".

As for displays, pixel density, subpixel arrangement, and color accuracy are the most important things in a display. Higher resolution being the product of a larger screen is a questionable advantage, given that it is the result of a bigger screen that is not optimally ergonomic and comes down to personal choice.


RE: A tale of two cities
By retrospooty on 12/28/2012 8:15:07 PM , Rating: 2
Right... You look at it from a logical pov, yet you still ignore all the many things the iPhone is missing.

Come on TYP. There is good in you, I can sense it. Turn away from the dark side.


RE: A tale of two cities
By TakinYourPoints on 12/29/2012 6:02:23 AM , Rating: 2
In over a decade of owning laptops I never once bought a spare battery, why would I ever want to carry one around for my phone? Why carry a spare battery when my iPhone gets literally double the LTE browsing time of other high end Android devices?

SD card storage doesn't concern me either, the tradeoff between that and a smaller device is an easy one. Hey, my Kindles haven't had SD card expansion since the first generation, and I'm GLAD they ditched it, it made the devices much smaller and more portable. Again, I'm totally cool with it.

Sorry dude, I know those things mean a lot to you but I'll take smaller chassis, better screens, better applications, guaranteed vendor support for longer than the period of my two year phone contract, and awesome battery life over a replaceable battery and an SD card slot. Those things aren't valuable tradeoffs for me, sorry!


RE: A tale of two cities
By retrospooty on 12/29/2012 7:51:23 AM , Rating: 2
I get that you don't need it, but some people go on trips where its inconvenient to have to stop and re-charge. On those trips it is nice to bring an extra battery to remain connected with the world/work/whatever it is that you do with your phone. I get that you personally dont need an sd card, but I never considered your one phone or mine to drive anything. We are talking platforms and what drives sales (at least I thought).

Anyhow, I can see that you still insist on picking that one benchmark of LTE browsing that makes Apple look the best so you clearly arent ready to have a real unbiased debate about it. Apples battery life is good, and in most cases up at or very near the top, but you consantly cherry picking that one sort of outs you. Bummer.


RE: A tale of two cities
By TakinYourPoints on 12/29/2012 8:23:27 PM , Rating: 3
Double the LTE browsing time isn't cherry picking.

Double the wifi browsing time isn't cherry picking.

The best apps isn't cherry picking.

The best developer support isn't cherry picking.

Guaranteed vendor support for years isn't cherry picking.

The fastest hardware by every metric isn't cherry picking.

Dude, how are singling out some of the most fundamentally important aspects of any mobile device (performance, battery life, developer support) cherry picking? Seriously?

And what sorts you out is your choice of words above:

quote:
Come on TYP. There is good in you, I can sense it. Turn away from the dark side.


Your and many fans positions don't come from a place of practicality or objective analysis, it comes from some ridiculous ideological POV where "Apple is evil".

I didn't buy "Microsoft is evil" in the 90s and I sure as hell don't buy "Apple is evil" now. It is a ridiculous and entirely irrelevant argument, all that matters to me is the quality of the product and if it fits my needs. It is like that idiot Motoman who steers his customers into currently inferior AMD parts because "Intel is evil". Ridiculous!

I dunno, it is hard having rational discussions with ideologues and fans, and they're legion here.

And as for this:
quote:
but some people go on trips where its inconvenient to have to stop and re-charge.


There are products from companies like Mophie and others if you really need that sort of thing (cases and power stations). Either way, the need for a replaceable battery is seriously diminished when you're getting literally double what other comparable products get. It'll get there for everyone else though once they get newer tech in, don't you worry.


RE: A tale of two cities
By retrospooty on 12/30/2012 10:27:09 AM , Rating: 2
??? The very definition of Cherry picking is to take the best points of data and ignore the rest, which is exactly what you do with battery life, but whatever.

"Your and many fans positions don't come from a place of practicality or objective analysis, it comes from some ridiculous ideological POV where "Apple is evil"."

I was j/k come now.

"you're getting literally double what other comparable products get. "

See, this is what I was talking about. Check the link below. I know we both trust Anandtech. Let me point out 2 things.

1. You keep comparing browsing time, which is one area Apple excels. Look at ALL of the charts. The iPhone 5 has even LESS talk time than the GS3, but you "cherry picked" that right out didnt you? Here is the full picture on this. The iPhone5 has LOWER battery life for talk time, better battery life for web browsing and comparable on other measures.

2. Even with the web browsing, you keep picking the GS3 as if its the only phone out there. For whatever reason, it has poor performance even against other Android phones on web browing. The HTX One X has almost double whathte GS3 has too. So you are cherry picking the best of the iPhone data and the worst of Android and calling it fact. Its not a fact. Here is the facts on web browsing. The iPhone 4 has the best web browsing of the phones tested, but only by a couple percent compared to the HTC OneX... NOT DOUBLE

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-iphone-5-re...

Any more questions of cherry picking? I will be happy to answer them for you =)


RE: A tale of two cities
By Piiman on 12/29/2012 6:59:07 PM , Rating: 2
OK you seem to be missing something about having a replaceable battery. Sooner or later your battery will not charge and then what do you do? I can go buy one for 10.00 bucks and put it in. You?

Let me guess that doesn't matter to you?


RE: A tale of two cities
By TakinYourPoints on 12/29/2012 8:11:01 PM , Rating: 2
I had an iPhone 4 for almost two and a half years and it kept a charge like the day I got it. If it does happen to crap out then I can bring it in and get it replaced.

No big deal, and I'm not going to get bent out of shape over hypothetical "maybe/what-if" situations when the present benefits (longer battery life and smaller chassis) and replacement options exist.


RE: A tale of two cities
By Roffles on 12/27/2012 2:42:54 PM , Rating: 3
Why is it that all the reviewers: phonedog, phonearena, cnet, engadget, the verge, GS3 OWNERS THEMSELVES and so on, have never had any complaints with the build quality and construction of the GS3? In fact, they/we have all said that the phone feels good in hand and pocket and it's solidly made.

So what are you talking about exactly? Oh, that's right...you don't know what you're talking about. You are someone with an opinion that doesn't matter.


RE: A tale of two cities
By Labotomizer on 12/28/2012 10:20:54 AM , Rating: 2
It could be argued that no opinion but your own matters. If you like the build of the GS3, then who cares what someone else thinks? We don't want a repeat of the Windows world from years past where it's one system to rule them all. That benefits no one. So if you like the GS3, great. That's your opinion. I personally think HTC, Nokia and Apple build more solid devices. That's my opinion. And so I make my purchasing decisions based on what I like, not what you like, not what the reviewers like. It's that simple. Why does everyone feel the need to have their opinion justified by other people's opinions?


RE: A tale of two cities
By Rukkian on 12/27/2012 3:59:24 PM , Rating: 2
I could understand your point had I never had one of their phones. While in theory plastic is cheaper, it also has advantages: reception, protection (from being plyable), and weight.

I have a GNEX, and while my wife says it feels like plastic, I have had no problems with it, even though she and every other person I know with an iphone has cracked at least 1 screen. I have never used a screen protector and have absolutly no scratches or issues with the screen, have dropped it numerous times getting out of my car, and still have no issues.

Pick one up and use it for awhile and you may change your mind. Plastic is considered "cheap", but if it works very well with some added benefits, then why not?


RE: A tale of two cities
By Cheesew1z69 on 12/27/2012 4:27:17 PM , Rating: 2
He CLAIMS to OWN the GS3 yet still rants about it, why? It's not Apple.


RE: A tale of two cities
By Labotomizer on 12/28/2012 10:22:50 AM , Rating: 2
He never says he prefers Apple, and lists Motorola and HTC alongside them as having better build quality. I think your own personal bias against Apple is shading you from seeing that.


RE: A tale of two cities
By Cheesew1z69 on 12/28/2012 10:38:37 AM , Rating: 2
I have no bias, and it's quite apparent he is an Apple fan.....

Apparently you haven't read his previous posts.


RE: A tale of two cities
By Labotomizer on 12/28/2012 11:08:19 AM , Rating: 2
I don't pay enough attention, so you may very well be right. I was simply basing this off what was contained in this thread.

And it's okay to hate Apple, I dislike them quite a bit. But I understand why people choose it.


RE: A tale of two cities
By TakinYourPoints on 12/27/2012 5:40:01 PM , Rating: 1
Not only are they skimping on physical enclosures, they're also skimping on components. The display on the GS3 is absolutely abysmal. Aside from bad color calibration (pretty standard among most companies), the Pentile screen is awful. Things like small text aren't rendered properly, instead looking blurry as if you were running your desktop display at a non-native resolution.

"Resolution" doesn't mean much when it has fewer subpixels than a "lower" resolution display like the one on the iPhone or numerous HTC or Motorola devices. Hopefully this is the last time they ever use it, but who knows, maybe they'll continue using it to cut corners with the GS4.


RE: A tale of two cities
By Cheesew1z69 on 12/27/2012 6:09:28 PM , Rating: 1
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Things like small text aren't rendered properly, instead looking blurry as if you were running your desktop display at a non-native resolution.
Get your eyes checked....seriously.


RE: A tale of two cities
By retrospooty on 12/27/2012 8:23:06 PM , Rating: 2
He keeps on about the GS3's screen as if its the only android available. Can't wait to see his excuses on how Apples tiny little 1136x640 is still better than today's 1080 screens. LOL.

Check this puppy out.
5 inch 1080p screen super thin bezel and the same thickness as the iPhone5 – 7.6mm

http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/26/nubia-z5-launch...


RE: A tale of two cities
By Cheesew1z69 on 12/27/2012 8:26:21 PM , Rating: 1
And not only that but he keeps regurgitating the same shit over and over, like a broken record.


RE: A tale of two cities
By TakinYourPoints on 12/27/2012 11:15:36 PM , Rating: 2
The GS3 is the most popular high-end Samsung device around, so why wouldn't I bring it up here? It uses a trash screen, sorry.

Fortunately the Galaxy Note 2 doesn't use a Pentile screen and it looks much better than the GS3 as a result. Color calibration isn't great, still too contrasty and oversaturated compared to a proper sRGB calibrated screen (for Android phones the HTC One X display calibration and quality is WAY better) but at least it isn't a complete disaster.


RE: A tale of two cities
By MartyLK on 12/27/2012 11:24:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The GS3 is the most popular high-end Samsung device around, so why wouldn't I bring it up here? It uses a trash screen, sorry.


The way I understand it, the GS3 uses a pentile display because of longevity. They last longer than the non-pentile variety. And speaking from my own experience, it looks perfectly fine to me. It's a bit darker than my Nexus S. But it displays videos really well and I have no trouble reading fine letters.


RE: A tale of two cities
By retrospooty on 12/28/2012 6:36:00 AM , Rating: 2
Samsung's amoled in the gs3 has its good and bad like anything else, but it's not the only phone on the market, and it 6 months old at that. I noticed you didn't say a damn thing about the Droid DNA and the oppo above and the many other 5 inch 1080p phones coming out... you keep claiming your not biased but you can't come out and admit apple has been beaten on almost every front. The list is down to slightly better apps and slightly faster GPU and that wont last either.


RE: A tale of two cities
By TakinYourPoints on 12/28/2012 6:41:33 AM , Rating: 2
I brought up other Android phones with better screens like HTC's.

The point isn't that all Android phones have bad screens, it is that Samsung's aren't particularly good. This was in response to a post where someone talks about how other phone manufacturers make better phones and Samsung's crap enclosures. I was bringing displays into the mix as well, also mentioning how other companies aside from Apple do it better.

Reading comprehension!

And as far as "slightly better", I'd have thought it would be like that a year ago, but the gulf in hardware and app quality has only widened since then. So strange!


RE: A tale of two cities
By TakinYourPoints on 12/28/2012 6:43:53 AM , Rating: 2
Like, I specifically brought up HTC phones and you still sperg out over how I didn't mention HTC. WTF dude!


RE: A tale of two cities
By retrospooty on 12/28/2012 7:55:59 AM , Rating: 2
You replied directly to my post talking about 1080p screens on newer devices then replied with your same old tired line about the GS3 screen... But whatever. Let's not pretend this debate started in this thread. Every time it is mentioned that Android phones have better screens you bring out the specs of the GS3 as if that is the only Android, or even the highest end Android around. Its 7 months old now, get past it.


RE: A tale of two cities
By TakinYourPoints on 12/28/2012 5:40:56 PM , Rating: 2
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You replied directly to my post talking about 1080p screens on newer devices then replied with your same old tired line about the GS3 screen


Nope! I was responding to Nortel's post on Samsung cutting so many corners yet still charging a high end premium for their devices. He mentioned build quality (which sucks) and I brought up the display. I also mentioned HTC and Motorola's superior screens before you mentioned other phones with 1080p displays!

Your post came in after I talked about the GS3 screen (relevant here) and praised other Android hardware before you brought up 1080p on other phones.

I'll say it again, relax and quit sperging out. You skim over my posts so you can ignore the positive things I say so that you can repeat the same points I made yourself.

I talk about how good HTC displays are and you're like "WHY U IGNORE OTHER GOOD PHONES LIKE HTC". Hilarious!

Back on the topic of Samsung, the fact that a GS3 costs the same as an iPhone 5 and was priced the same as the old iPhone 4S is absolutely ridiculous. They are way overcharging based on the inferior screen, inferior build quality, and slower hardware. Oh, and TouchWiz. :p


RE: A tale of two cities
By retrospooty on 12/28/2012 8:29:31 PM , Rating: 2
OK, ill give you that. Initially this particular thread was about Samsung and I was partially having the same debate we always have where you use the GS3 as the primary example of Android screens and ignore the others.

Anyhow I mentioned the latest 5 inch 1080p screens like the Droid DNS, the Oppo, and hte other one linked above and you mentioned HTC's one X briefly. So... Now the iPhone is stuck at 1136x640 and everyone else is at 1920x1080. I was lookin for your take on how far behind Apple is on that front and you sort of skirted it.

Beyond that, I am wondering what Apple will do. Their approach to LCD scaling leaves them little choice. What are they going to do go 2272x1280 ?


RE: A tale of two cities
By TakinYourPoints on 12/29/2012 5:51:19 AM , Rating: 2
I didn't skirt that issue at all. Resolution isn't an advantage with Android because the iPhone has among the highest pixel densities out there.

This is an issue with display size, and that comes down to personal ergonomic preference. Other phones get 1080p screens because they are huge and can accommodate it.

The iPhone's size is designed around reaching the entire screen with one thumb without readjustments. It is a choice based in logical design and practical ergonomics, not bulletpoint features. Display size cannot be used as an example of a technical deficiency.

If you're fine with two handed operation or a huge phone then clearly those larger devices work for you.

Either way, it isn't a technical disadvantage given that the iPhone has one of the highest quality displays out there. Resolution is a constraint defined by physical size, and going larger would be a disadvantage and a regression for many users.

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Anyhow I mentioned the latest 5 inch 1080p screens like the Droid DNS, the Oppo, and hte other one linked above and you mentioned HTC's one X briefly


I mentioned the One X up myself before you brought any of that stuff up in this thread. Your thread revisionism is annoying.

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What are they going to do go 2272x1280 ?


Completely pointless given that individual pixels at that PPI and viewing distance already cannot be discerned by the naked eye.


RE: A tale of two cities
By retrospooty on 12/29/2012 7:58:19 AM , Rating: 2
I disagree that Apple is among the highest anymore. The 1080p androids have well over 430ppi and Apple is in the 320s somehwere (correct me if I am wrong). So its not "among" the highest any longer, but I do agree it's high enough if the iPhone remains a tiny 4 inch screen.

Most people do see it as a disadvantage. "you mean this screen is bigger, and has vastly higher resolution and pixel density". It's a hard sell, but OK. If you like a small phone that is missing alot of features Apple is still a good quality product with a great app ecosystem. IT does seem alot like you have to go farther and farther to "excuse" Apple's shortcomings with every generation that comes out. That and right now, the iPhone5 is brand new. Thinking about 6 months from now and wondering how far behind Apple will be and when they will finally bite the bullet and go larger.


RE: A tale of two cities
By Piiman on 12/29/2012 7:24:25 PM , Rating: 2
While you claim the build sucks I'd disagree. Sure the back is plastic but when it is put togeather it fits the hand nicly, doesn't feel cheap and isn't flimsy. There are also advantages to the plastic back which I'm sure you are aware of. Heck those super built iPhones are arriving out of the box all sratched up. Nice build there.

As for the pricing they have more options built in than your beloved Apple iphone which charges the same, so how are they over charging? Because you don't need those other options so you think they should be free?

And since most people buy these phones on contract they are the same price!

geezz


RE: A tale of two cities
By Cheesew1z69 on 12/30/2012 9:11:20 AM , Rating: 2
If you haven't noticed by now, he thinks his opinions are more valuable than others and that somehow they are more valid then everyone else.

He always has to have the last word as well...


RE: A tale of two cities
By Mint on 12/28/2012 12:31:24 PM , Rating: 2
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The point isn't that all Android phones have bad screens, it is that Samsung's aren't particularly good
Virtually every display reviewer in history places high value on contrast, and you aren't even paying lip service to Samsung's overwhelming advantage there. So who are you to say they aren't particularly good?

The Note 2's screen is exemplary. No LCD can get within an order of magnitude of its black levels. The colors are accurate when you choose "natural" or "movie" modes if you don't like the wide gamut. The only shortcoming is that it can't achieve the iPhone5's 500+ nits outdoors, but it's not a problem and all phones look far worse outdoors anyway so it's a moot point.


RE: A tale of two cities
By TakinYourPoints on 12/28/2012 5:29:39 PM , Rating: 2
Most "tech" reviewers don't know what proper calibration looks like. They wouldn't know what a colorimeter is if you showed one to them.

Then again, there are "techies" who like TN LCDs, who use that terrible motion smoothing on LCD HDTVs, etc etc.

Having an overly contrasty and saturated color profile is not a positive. Getting absolute black is great, my own HDTV at home is a Pioneer Elite Kuro, still the best black you can get in a consumer display, but getting it at the expense of proper color and contrast is ridiculous.

Again, its a good thing that other companies like Apple and HTC bother calibrating their screens properly.


RE: A tale of two cities
By TakinYourPoints on 12/28/2012 5:46:07 PM , Rating: 2
One of exceptions of course is Anandtech, but they are one of the few tech sites out there (maybe the only) that is the complete package.


RE: A tale of two cities
By MartyLK on 12/28/2012 5:45:14 PM , Rating: 2
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by TakinYourPoints on December 28, 2012 at 5:29 PM Again, its a good thing that other companies like Apple and HTC bother calibrating their screens properly.


I've never trusted HTC about display tech since the whole S-LCD fiasco a couple years back. They sold the Inspire as a Super LCD equipped phone and it turned out the "S" was just a marketing term and nothing to do with actual advanced LCD tech.

They admitted to it in correspondence with a very irate XDA forum member, who posted all about it.

One thing I would never call HTC is actual high-quality. Their products, most of the later stuff, do tend to look sweet in style and design. But my experience hasn't been so favorable as to put their products anywhere near the league of Apple products.


RE: A tale of two cities
By TakinYourPoints on 12/29/2012 5:55:59 AM , Rating: 2
I can't speak to the overall quality of their internals (Tegra 3, ugh) but HTC's displays have improved substantially.

Anandtech's latest analysis of the One X puts them very close to the iPhone in quality and accuracy, and my eyes corroborate those results.


RE: A tale of two cities
By Piiman on 12/29/2012 7:07:57 PM , Rating: 1
" The display on the GS3 is absolutely abysmal."

Total bullshit!

Evertime I have mine out and displaying video someone always says "Wow what phone is that it look great!" must be the abysmal display? lol

I get the feeling some of you screen nuts put them under a microscope to look for flaws. The truth is all phones have very nice displays these days. Are they technally different? yes but to a normal person though they all look about the same and NONE of them are abysmal.


RE: A tale of two cities
By MartyLK on 12/27/2012 8:51:26 PM , Rating: 2
I love my GS3, Nexus S and Focus, but to add to what you said, the GS3 isn't as secure in damage tests than the iPhone 5. The GS3 consistently suffered broken glass when dropped and the iPhone 5 suffered only marks and scars.

The Samsung fanboy club has always been very vocal about Galaxies being sturdier and less damage-prone because of being made of plastic while the iPhone 4 suffered serious damage because of the glass-on-metal design.

No longer can the ignorant fanboys speak up because, when they do, the test results will be shoved down their throats.

Just one of many test sites with no indication of being related to an Apple site. Didn't want to give the little buggers reason to scream favoritism.
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