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"iOS Maps, you're fired!"

To say that Apple Maps for iOS 6 has been a blunder is quite the understatement. Ever since iOS 6 was released to the public a few months ago, complaints began rolling out about the mapping services. Everything from misplaced roads, to wonky directions, to horrible rendering of terrain became fodder for the online media and even mainstream media -- not to mention Apple's customers and Apple's competitors.
 
Things got so bad that Apple CEO Tim Cook even apologized to Apple customers
 
However, even as Apple is looking to improve its native Maps application on a continuing basis, Google is looking to offers users a seasoned alternative -- Google Maps. The refreshed Google Maps app for iOS has all the goodies (and more) that users loved before Apple decided to give the application the boot for its own homegrown solution.
 
Street View, transit directions, walking directions, traffic data, and restaurant reviews (provided by Zagat) are all included. And in case you were wondering, yes, turn-by-turn navigation is front in center in the new Google Maps iOS app.
 
For users of Android smartphones, none of this stuff is really news to you -- you've been enjoying such functionality for years. However, for Apple customers that have complained about Apple's native Maps app, you now can install an alternative that appears to be better in nearly every way.

 

Sources: Google, iTunes



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Interface is pretty slow
By Azsen on 12/13/2012 1:24:09 AM , Rating: 1
I'm guessing this is another HTML5 hybrid app because the interface and moving around on the map is pretty laggy. I guess my phone is getting a bit older now though (3GS).

I wish Google would just make a native Objective C app for this and the GMail app as these Google versions are pretty slow compared to the native Maps and Mail apps.




RE: Interface is pretty slow
By TakinYourPoints on 12/13/2012 1:35:55 AM , Rating: 2
I think its because your phone is old, runs fine here, ditto GMail.

According to Google it is also supposedly even better than the version of Maps on Android: http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/12/3760770/google-...


RE: Interface is pretty slow
By StevoLincolnite on 12/13/12, Rating: 0
RE: Interface is pretty slow
By RufusM on 12/13/2012 1:40:36 PM , Rating: 2
Or maybe the software does more. I don't think a game made to push 10M polgons/second is more bloated than a game made to push 500K polygons/second. They both offer different experiences with different hardware requirements for a good experience.


RE: Interface is pretty slow
By StevoLincolnite on 12/13/2012 7:03:10 PM , Rating: 3
True.

But you can make a game that pushes 500K Polygons look better and run faster than a game that pushes 10 million, all comes down to art style and making efficient use with the limited resources at your disposal.

I.E. You can spend 10 million polygons on a circle and it won't be anymore effective than a few dozen or so.

With that said one of the advantages of a closed ecosystem is that Apple can optimize right down to the metal so they really have no excuse for performance issues regardless of the age of the device.


RE: Interface is pretty slow
By TakinYourPoints on 12/13/2012 7:14:43 PM , Rating: 2
It sounds like the issue is in the hands of the developer. Google Maps is ever so slightly laggy compared to Apple Maps running on an iPhone 5, and there's no good reason for it. I think that a performance patch will shore this up.

Either way, we are at the point with smartphones that we were with PCs in the late 90s, where there were massive annual leaps in performance that would benefit things as simple as Microsoft Word. It is the same thing with smartphones where the iPhone roughly doubles in performance with every release, and that performance is actually being used by applications.

We seem to have reached a baseline plateau of sorts in 2011, but that sort of hardware is much much more powerful than one released in 2009. 2009 is ancient history in terms of the iPhone. If we go over to the Android ecosystem it is even worse since that hardware was both slower and was restricted to Android 1.5 Cupcake, which was even slower and laggier than the slow and laggy Eclair, Froyo, and Gingerbread.


RE: Interface is pretty slow
By ihateu3 on 12/13/12, Rating: -1
RE: Interface is pretty slow
By bupkus on 12/13/2012 4:27:38 AM , Rating: 2
Don't forget that the primary idea of creating Android with Google Maps was to sell advertising. If Google can accomplish the same thing on iPhones then so much the better.
Google doesn't want to be a hardware company; they want your eyes on their ads, not on Apple's or Microsoft's apps or browsers displaying advertising paid to Apple or Microsoft.


RE: Interface is pretty slow
By TakinYourPoints on 12/13/12, Rating: 0
RE: Interface is pretty slow
By bupkus on 12/13/2012 6:14:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Over half of Google's revenue from mobile services (advertising, search, maps) comes from iOS, despite there being more Android devices out there.

I believe the nation as the largest consumer of Apple devices is the U.S. which if you are correct about Google's revenue would account for the higher numbers.
I don't know how much penetration Google Ads have had globally which is where the bulk of Android devices live, but for the future it may prove a very very smart move.


RE: Interface is pretty slow
By TakinYourPoints on 12/13/2012 7:21:31 PM , Rating: 2
This is global. It follows given that global web traffic and app usage is also primarily iOS. This is partly because the Android installation base is highly inflated by dumbphones, featurephones, and cheap smartphones, none of which get the same sort of use that a proper smartphone for. Meanwhile iOS is only running on high end smartphones and tablets.

Either way, it is in Android's best financial interests to take care of both their own platform (because it is their own) and iOS (because it makes lots of money).

One interesting thing is that Google apparantly has no plans to make apps for WP8 or RT: http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/12/3759960/google-...

quote:
Google Apps product management director Clay Bavor said that "we have no plans to build out Windows apps." Bavor had some harsh words about the installed base for Windows on both the PC and on mobile, saying "we are very careful about where we invest and will go where the users are but they are not on Windows Phone or Windows 8."


Like I said, Google is a business and they're going to go where the money is.

On a side note, the Google Maps mobile web app is actually pretty darn good, so anyone on WP8 should bookmark that.


RE: Interface is pretty slow
By Flunk on 12/13/2012 10:11:28 AM , Rating: 3
Google is actually already a hardware company, they just put the word "Motorola" on their hardware products.


RE: Interface is pretty slow
By Tony Swash on 12/13/12, Rating: 0
RE: Interface is pretty slow
By bupkus on 12/13/2012 6:46:11 PM , Rating: 2
I do agree with you on this point and would add that the purpose of buying Motorola aside from the battle over IP would be a heavy handed demonstration of how successful a product can be if fragmentation is discouraged and OS updates can proceed smoothly and dependably.

Of course the argument that cellular SPs desire to differentiate themselves while hardware manufacturers simultaneously promote planned obsolescence required a heavy hand to discourage. Such implementations come at the expense of Google's marketing imperative.

In support of a united front Google would welcome Apple's lawsuits providing an "us vs. them" atmosphere to bring fragmentation into line with Google's primary ambitions. Android device builders must be convinced they have less reason to compete with each other and more reason to see Apple as their nemesis.


RE: Interface is pretty slow
By TakinYourPoints on 12/13/2012 5:31:22 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why would you even hope that Google go out of their way to improve a competitors product? Like it is Googles responsibility?


It is Google's responsibility to make money, and they make more from iOS than they do from Android. It is totally in their interest to make good apps on iOS unless they want to cut off a major source of revenue, and according to Google their best version of Maps is the new iOS version. I'm certain that they'll bring them both to parity with each other like they did with the GMail app.


RE: Interface is pretty slow
By bupkus on 12/13/2012 6:57:52 PM , Rating: 2
Again, a demonstration of competition as being good for everyone.

The Apple maps fiasco left a window open for Google maps placement in Apple's devices. This opportunity required that Google provide a superior app than anything Apple could rapidly respond with. This placement is very important to Google and will assure a superior maps app for both Apple and Android users.

Yippee!


RE: Interface is pretty slow
By TakinYourPoints on 12/13/2012 7:24:34 PM , Rating: 2
Yup, competition is always good, keeps everyone on their toes!

This reminds me of when there was actually competition in CPUs and GPUs about ten years ago, resulting in very fast product cycles. Now AMD can barely compete with Intel in the mid and high end, which is a damn shame because I want Haswell NOW. :)


RE: Interface is pretty slow
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 12/13/2012 2:59:35 AM , Rating: 3
Slow? You're using a 3.5-year old smartphone.


RE: Interface is pretty slow
By othercents on 12/13/12, Rating: 0
RE: Interface is pretty slow
By xti on 12/13/2012 9:49:34 AM , Rating: 2
now when you ask them questions, they will pull out THEIR phone and show you, and it will be 99.9% accurate every time.

and they will look at you funny and offer you beads and a donkey in exchange for your relic phone.


RE: Interface is pretty slow
By RufusM on 12/13/2012 1:45:55 PM , Rating: 1
I agree. My Packard Bell 386SX won't run Windows 8? What a scam.


RE: Interface is pretty slow
By TakinYourPoints on 12/13/2012 3:29:49 PM , Rating: 2
My Commodore 64 won't play Crysis, dammit all to hell


RE: Interface is pretty slow
By inighthawki on 12/13/2012 3:55:23 PM , Rating: 2
If youwant nice new software, you need nice new hardware that can keep up. T software industry isn't going to hold back the potential of their apps to cater to those who still have 20 year old technology.


RE: Interface is pretty slow
By 91TTZ on 12/13/2012 5:21:42 PM , Rating: 2
He's right. The motion when you move the map around isn't as fluid as it was in the native Google Maps app that came with the phone. It does not render as fast. I have a 4S and it's the same way.

I know that some people can't see it though. I used to always have people who said that they couldn't see the 60 hz refresh on a monitor, either. Not everyone's eyes/brain is equally as sensitive.


RE: Interface is pretty slow
By TakinYourPoints on 12/13/2012 5:32:05 PM , Rating: 2
Google's map app animation is slightly choppier than Apple's on the iPhone 5, but we're talking a very subtle difference here. Perhaps the difference in performance seems much greater on older hardware. It also seems like something that can be addressed in future patches.


RE: Interface is pretty slow
By R3T4rd on 12/13/2012 5:46:18 AM , Rating: 1
Odd. I have no issues running Google Maps on my HTC Touch Pro 2. Could it be perhaps my phone supports flash?


RE: Interface is pretty slow
By marvdmartian on 12/13/2012 8:50:00 AM , Rating: 3
Don't worry....that's just a FEATURE on your phone! ;)


RE: Interface is pretty slow
By 91TTZ on 12/13/2012 5:18:32 PM , Rating: 2
I have an iPhone 4S and I notice the same thing. It's not that the whole program is "slow", but when you move the map the fps is much lower than the native Google Maps app that came with the phone.


.
By messele on 12/13/12, Rating: 0
RE: .
By Fleeb on 12/13/2012 4:14:21 AM , Rating: 2
IMHO Apple would have blocked it if not for the iOS Maps problems.


RE: .
By bupkus on 12/13/2012 4:32:31 AM , Rating: 2
Absolutely, but this battle isn't over.


RE: .
By bupkus on 12/13/2012 4:44:51 AM , Rating: 2
Apple will let Google carry the ball until they can fix their iMaps program. However, this is both a significant embarrassment to Apple in addition to being a constant advertisement showcasing the Google brand name and Google competence. How can Apple and their minions scowl contemptuously at the non-Apple world if Google appears on their 'precious' boasting the name 'Google' while showing them all how to find their ways home?

Introducing Apple Maps
"And boy did we ever patent it!"


RE: .
By TakinYourPoints on 12/13/2012 5:23:51 AM , Rating: 1
That makes no sense, there are numerous other map applications and Google applications on iOS. Other competitors like Microsoft have tons of apps on iOS, most long before they're on Android and some before they're even on WP.

Deliberate app blocking from competitors is like this fantasy that isn't happening.


RE: .
By RufusM on 12/13/2012 1:48:52 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, Apple will not delete Google Maps from the Apple App Store. They just require that Apple Maps is the default and it can't be changed. Other than that, use whatever you want...that is Apple approved. :)


RE: .
By TakinYourPoints on 12/13/2012 3:34:52 PM , Rating: 2
Which is just about everything. :)

Internet crusaders are hilarious, at least Google has their priorities straight.


Apple
By Richard875yh5 on 12/13/2012 9:28:03 AM , Rating: 3
Apple is a very dominating company and wants to control any products that involves them. I predict that will cause their demise. Too many proprietaries and that is why I will not buy an Apple product.For example, you can not change the battery, or add an SD card in the iPhone and just that in itself are majors problems. They made it that way so when the battery goes, you'll buy another one. Apple iPhones for many is just a status symbol. I'm tired of hearing "my iPhone this and my iPhone that".




By Chaser on 12/13/2012 1:35:11 PM , Rating: 3
Even clever retorts or failed spin attempts can gloss over the delightful irony: Google, the creator of the most prevalent smartphone operating system world wide has its competitor groveling for a reiable mapping system after their humiliating attempt completely flopped.

Even campy marketing campaigns won't reverse a major failure of customers that trusted their beloved Apple that decieved them into believing they were purchasing a reliable mapping program. The defections will continue. they won't forget.




Is this the same app....
By Tony Swash on 12/13/12, Rating: -1
RE: Is this the same app....
By ritualm on 12/13/2012 8:34:03 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Now Google has to win iOS users by producing a product that users will want to switch to out of choice

Google doesn't have to win iOS users. It already has them in its pocket thanks to gross incompetence - very nearly bordering on criminal negligence - exercised by Steve Forstall, Steve Jobs and a bunch of wrongheaded Apple employees who thought they could get rid of Google with one bullet to its head.
quote:
Google's mapping monopoly

Seeing just how bad iOS 6 Maps is, I don't mind Google's mapping monopoly at all. At least Google's gets me from Point A to Point B. With Apple's? I can't find Point B at all.
quote:
he (Eddie Cue) has a stash of $130 billion in cash to play with

He needs a lot more than a few billions in cash to fix the high hell that is iOS 6 Maps.

Keep drinking the gay-infused Apple Fail-Aid(TM), kid.


RE: Is this the same app....
By Tony Swash on 12/13/12, Rating: -1
RE: Is this the same app....
By ritualm on 12/13/2012 9:33:45 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
How? When iOS 6 was released, given the typical rapid uptake of iOS updates, Google lost in a period of just a few weeks access to the location data generated by hundreds of millions of iOS users. That's a significant loss to Google. If it wasn't a loss why not just leave iOS in the lurch, not release a Google iOS mapping app, and punt Google mapping as an Android USP? Google doesn't just want that data, it needs it.

The most important thing about a navigation app is accuracy - if you cannot go from Point A to Point B without inadvertently killing yourself in the process, it's useless, regardless of how flashy it may be. Guess what? iOS 6 Maps has next to zero accuracy in so many places. 3D Flyover previews do nothing when it gives you the wrong directions.

You can put a gun on my forehead and threaten to pull the trigger just because I don't use iOS 6 Maps at all - go ahead, pull the trigger, you're not going to win.
quote:
Why are so many Apple haters homophobic?

Dude, I can't hear you. Your mouth is full of Tim Cook's pecker.


RE: Is this the same app....
By Tony Swash on 12/13/12, Rating: 0
RE: Is this the same app....
By theapparition on 12/13/2012 11:02:38 AM , Rating: 2
It doesn't sum it up because that's a flawed analysis.

Apple demanded Google's proprietary info to include in it's base OS release to enable Turn-by-turn. Google refused but countered by wanting access to Apple's API to program that function in. Apple refused that.

So because both sides refused to budge, the result is a mess. But Apple has just as much blame in this game. That analysis was quite one sided that it was only Google who dropped the ball.


RE: Is this the same app....
By bkslopper on 12/13/2012 11:07:46 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
You can’t have it both ways. Either Google should be in the business of being on every mobile platform or Google should be in the business of Android. Trying to pursue both strategies is like trying to keep one foot on the dock and the other on the boat. You can’t get anywhere and it’s going to sink you sooner or later.


Yeah, look up Microsoft in the 1980's. They wrote Apps for Mac, while promoting Windows which was enbraced by many 3rd party vendors. Sound familiar? iOS will probably go the same route as Mac, niche.


RE: Is this the same app....
By ritualm on 12/13/2012 11:50:50 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
This summed it up:

Not surprisingly, it is magically ghostwritten by a pro-Apple, anti-Google fanboy.

It's official: a baby in a vegetative state with all four limbs hacked off is more deserving of oxygen than you.


RE: Is this the same app....
By superstition on 12/17/2012 1:04:29 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Single, Angry, Straight Male... Seeks Same?

A classic study reveals that young homophobic men have secret gay urges

Both groups—non-homophobic and homophobic men—showed significant engorgement to the straight and lesbian porn and their subjective ratings of arousal matched their penile plethsymograph measure for these two types of video. However, as predicted, only the homophobic men showed a significant increase in penile circumference in response to the gay male porn. urthermore, the homophobic men significantly underestimated their degree of sexual arousal to the gay male porn.

In another study, the homophobic group delivered more intense shocks and for longer durations when they thought the person in the other room was gay. On the subjective ratings of mood, the major difference between the two groups was on the dimension of anger-hostility: non-homophobics showed a small positive blip in the radar on this dimension while the homophobics showed a dramatic increase in anger-hostility between the pre-video measure of mood and the post-video rating. These data suggest that homoerotic stimuli—such as seeing two men holding hands—could send an already angry homophobic man over the top.


-- Scientific American


RE: Is this the same app....
By superstition on 12/17/2012 1:08:18 AM , Rating: 2
and

quote:
Homophobia is more pronounced in individuals with an unacknowledged attraction to the same sex and who grew up with authoritarian parents who forbade such desires, a series of psychology studies demonstrates.

"In many cases these are people who are at war with themselves and they are turning this internal conflict outward."

The paper includes four separate experiments, conducted in the United States and Germany, with each study involving an average of 160 college students. The findings provide new empirical evidence to support the psychoanalytic theory that the fear, anxiety, and aversion that some seemingly heterosexual people hold toward gays and lesbians can grow out of their own repressed same-sex desires, Ryan says. The results also support the more modern self-determination theory, developed by Ryan and Edward Deci at the University of Rochester, which links controlling parenting to poorer self-acceptance and difficulty valuing oneself unconditionally.


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/12040...


RE: Is this the same app....
By StevoLincolnite on 12/13/2012 10:36:15 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Why are so many Apple haters homophobic? Why is homophobia still tolerated and almost mainstream on forums such as this?


If anything I have found Dailytech to be relatively relaxed in it's homophobia.

And I also dislike Apple's products for various reasons. (I.E. To costly, under-performs, under-featured.) - Yet I'm a happily gay man.

The moral of the story is...
Don't pigeon hole someone based on sexuality, sex or skin colour, you only make yourselves out to look like a buffoon as chances are that someone will not fit that imaginary stereotype.


RE: Is this the same app....
By KITH on 12/13/2012 8:27:10 PM , Rating: 2
'pigeon hole someone'

is that like some gay sex thing?

Sorry, had to.


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