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The NHTSA is now preparing to finalize the regulation

The White House has finished its review of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's (NHTSA) proposal to mandate event data recorders (EDR) in all new vehicles.

Now that the White House Office of Management Budget has completed the review, the NHTSA is preparing to finalize the regulation. The proposal suggests increasing the number of new vehicles with EDRs from 91.6 percent today to 100 percent of light-duty cars and trucks.

Event data recorders, also known as "black boxes," collect driver data such as speed, use of a seatbelt, whether brakes were applied, etc. before and after a vehicle crash. The idea behind them is to deploy better safety measures for vehicles as well as better overall vehicle design.

The NHTSA originally said it'd create a proposal for the White House concerning EDR regulation by the end of 2011. After doing so, the White House Office of Management Budget delayed comment or review for a year.

Back in August of this year, the NHTSA rejected the White House's request for further delay of the black box standards.

Some automakers already place EDRs in all of their vehicles, such as Ford, General Motors Mazda and Toyota.

The road to EDR regulation hasn't been all smooth, though. The Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, which includes Toyota, Volkswagen AG and Detroit's Big Three, had issues with both driver privacy and the cost of these black boxes.

The Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers complained in May 2010 that the black boxes suggested by the government were too expensive to deploy in all vehicles. Further, it stated that EDRs could potentially be abused by the government.

"Event data recorders help our engineers understand how cars perform in the real world but looking forward, we need to make sure we preserve privacy," said Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers spokeswoman Gloria Bergquist. "Automakers do not access EDR data without consumer permission, and any government requirements to install EDRs on all vehicles must include steps to protect consumer privacy."

In April of this year, the U.S. Senate passed a highway bill called the "Moving Ahead for Progress in the 21st Century Act", also known as MAP21. The bill aimed to require all new 2015 model year vehicles to have black boxes for record vehicle data.

Source: The Detroit News

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Wonder what else...
By espaghetti on 12/7/2012 1:20:21 PM , Rating: 5
At what point do we Americans forget we are free?
Have we already?
I happen to know what these people are "progressing" toward and I want ZERO to do with it.

RE: Wonder what else...
By headbox on 12/7/2012 3:20:42 PM , Rating: 5
Who cares. Football is on TV!

RE: Wonder what else...
By Schadenfroh on 12/8/2012 8:31:40 PM , Rating: 2
*Watch football
*Drink beer

RE: Wonder what else...
By Omega215D on 12/9/2012 12:15:14 AM , Rating: 2
Or with the majority of college students:

I'll vote for Obama because he's a fresh face. Other than that it's time to vote on [insert reality show here].

Yes, I've seen this diocy first hand when I was in college

RE: Wonder what else...
By Schadenfroh on 12/9/2012 2:33:50 AM , Rating: 3
Many like the fact that one can be considered a man-child that can remain on their parents' insurance till their 26... and still get to vote, buy booze, tobacco, and guns!

Personally, I'm in the college student camp that prefers libertarians like Gary Johnson... legal recreational marijuana for all!

RE: Wonder what else...
By sweetca on 12/7/2012 3:37:02 PM , Rating: 1
Let us not get too excited here folks. Your car may have a black-box, but this does not automatically confer upon the government the ability to use its contents against you.

RE: Wonder what else...
By Ammohunt on 12/7/2012 5:59:34 PM , Rating: 2
The process of incrementalism applies towards erasing freedom. People have to ask themselves how far do they trust the Government; if your answer is implicitly! then you already have your yoke and are not part of this conversation.

RE: Wonder what else...
By SRHelicity on 12/8/2012 12:39:30 AM , Rating: 2
What kind of car do you drive? There's a good chance that the car you drive right now already has a "black box", since they've been around since the 1990s. According to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety: "NHTSA estimated that about 64 percent of 2005 model passenger vehicles had the devices. By 2005, General Motors, Ford, Isuzu, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Subaru and Suzuki were all voluntarily equipping all of their vehicles with EDRs, according to NHTSA. 2 Recent information from NHTSA indicates that 91.6 percent of new passenger vehicles have EDRs...."

Note that this is BEFORE the "mandate" listed in the article. Again, there's a good chance that you're vehicle already has a black box in it...

RE: Wonder what else...
By inperfectdarkness on 12/8/2012 7:24:38 AM , Rating: 1
1995 Mitsubishi. And no, it does NOT have a black box.

RE: Wonder what else...
By Piiman on 12/8/2012 9:28:21 AM , Rating: 2
Well aren't you special! Do you drive around with a cell phone? If so you're already tagged.

RE: Wonder what else...
By inperfectdarkness on 12/8/2012 12:04:27 PM , Rating: 2
No. I have a bong I make smoke-signals with instead.

RE: Wonder what else...
By NellyFromMA on 12/10/2012 2:40:29 PM , Rating: 2
Gov doesn't care about illegal search and seizure, ESPECIALLY regarding electronic logs.

Gov doesn't care about placing GPSs on vehicles without warrent either.

The warrant only matters to them if they get caught doing something without it. So, they just get better at lying.

RE: Wonder what else...
By Jeffk464 on 12/7/2012 4:46:35 PM , Rating: 2
I would argue that the US is one of the least "free" countries in the Western World. Somewhere along the way we went from being a free country to having laws and rules for every possible thing you can think of. In LA their is a law against throwing a football on the beach, get that.

RE: Wonder what else...
By Omega215D on 12/9/2012 12:16:31 AM , Rating: 2
Well, the UK may be tied with us..

RE: Wonder what else...
By RufusM on 12/10/2012 10:19:10 AM , Rating: 2
The black box is not inherently bad. It can provide great detail in the events surrounding an accident, disprove lies told by the participants in a case, help improve auto safety design from the collected data, etc.

It's the rules and laws surrounding its use that I fear. It needs to be subject to standard private property search and seizure rules and laws. The police should not be able to get its data without a warrant. Insurance companies are on a need to know basis and only if it impacts certain things they are concerned with. The only actionable data should be the immediate data directly relating to the incident at hand, etc.

For example, if I'm in an car crash the police that kills someone the police should be able to collect data for criminal prosecution purposes. During their collection, however, they should not be allowed to ticket me for speeding violations it recorded over the past week (assuming it even stores that much data).

RE: Wonder what else...
By NellyFromMA on 12/10/2012 2:38:14 PM , Rating: 2
Been there done that. Few people care. Convenience over freedom is the new way. Don't you dare suggest how society got that way either, you might get lynched.

"Let's face it, we're not changing the world. We're building a product that helps people buy more crap - and watch porn." -- Seagate CEO Bill Watkins

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