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Microsoft spills the beans on Surface Pro launch

Microsoft launched its first in-house tablet in late October, the Surface RT. Priced at $499 for a 32GB model, initial sales have been on the tepid side. However, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer is confident that the device will catch on in the face of strong competition from iOS and Android tablets.
While Surface RT is based on low-power ARM architecture, Microsoft is bringing out the big guns in 2013. Microsoft announced today that Surface Pro, which comes packin' Windows 8 Professional, will launch in January. Unlike Surface RT, Surface Pro will be compatible with the vast library of legacy Windows applications thanks to its Intel Core i5 x86 processor.

Other niceties include a 10.6" ClearType display (1920x1080) and a full-size USB 3.0 port. The Surface Pro also includes a Mini DisplayPort that supports external resolutions of up to 2560x1440.

Since the Surface Pro is packing some serious firepower under the screen, it's a bit thicker and heavier than its Surface RT counterpart. The Surface RT is 0.37" thick and weighs 1.5 pounds, while the Surface Pro is 0.57" thick and weighs 1.99 pounds.
One thing to keep in mind, however, is that the Surface Pro won't be a cheap proposition. The 64GB Surface Pro rings in at $899 while the 128GB model will set you back $999.

Source: The Official Microsoft Blog

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By retrospooty on 11/29/2012 2:38:12 PM , Rating: 5
1920x1080 10 inch screen, video output, 128gb SSD, Ivy Bridge CPU, all for $999.

The ability to take it to work and run enterprise apps and the real MS office... Priceless.

RE: Nice!
By Brandon Hill on 11/29/2012 2:41:44 PM , Rating: 5
The look on Tony Swash's face: Priceless.

RE: Nice!
By retrospooty on 11/29/2012 2:55:49 PM , Rating: 3

But he would probably just post how Apple makes more profit than MS so what the consumer gets for their dollar is irrelevant.

Back in the real world, this thing gives us consumers a great deal of power for a good price. I am trying to figure out how I can justify this as a work purchase so my boss will approve it. =)

RE: Nice!
By StevoLincolnite on 11/29/2012 9:26:34 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't say a "Good price" because there is no such thing as "Priced to low". :P

With that said, I can't wait to jump on board with the Surface Pro, just a shame I still have to wait about 2 months to get one!

RE: Nice!
By slunkius on 11/30/2012 1:20:57 AM , Rating: 2
1000$ for a 10 inch 64gb device? sounds like a lot. also would be interesting to know battery life considering it has core5 processor. looks like expensive netbook with tablet features to me.

RE: Nice!
By Visual on 11/30/2012 4:48:54 AM , Rating: 2
Netbook, with i5, really?

Expensive? Lack of competition in this segment has been terrible for pricing until now. Last gen convertibles were in the $2000+ range.
Even the Samsing ATIV Pro which is supposed to be at a relatively competitive $1100 price is actually available for $1600 or $2000 or such insace prices right now, maybe because of the low supply.
This thing is a huge improvement in pricing.

But it is going to be late to the party. I just don't get why MS are delaying it so much. I've been waiting for something like this for years now, and I'm not gonna be waiting a minute longer if ATIV Pro becomes available at $1200 where I live. Lighter than surface, with real keyboard dock as opposed to a funny flap... sorry MS, you screwed up.

RE: Nice!
By Pirks on 11/30/2012 5:39:57 AM , Rating: 2
Sorry Visual, you screwed up, not MS. When you fix your eyes and see that not only the Touch Cover exists but the Type Cover is there as well, you'll laugh at your moronic "flap" remark just like I do :)

RE: Nice!
By Visual on 11/30/2012 6:30:17 AM , Rating: 2
Way to miss the obvious. Those covers are exactly what I refer to. Unlike a real keyboard dock, they can not hold the laptop at your chosen angle, so are exactly useless flaps for me.

RE: Nice!
By paydirt on 11/30/2012 9:18:26 AM , Rating: 2
Guessing: Microsoft is holding back on releasing this so they can use a lower power Intel CPU which should be coming out in June. I am unclear as to whether this will be the CPU that uses 20x power at idle, I think that one is coming 2014.

RE: Nice!
By Pirks on 12/1/2012 1:17:20 AM , Rating: 2
they can not hold the laptop
Kickstand can but you're too illiterate to care eh? ;)

RE: Nice!
By Visual on 12/3/2012 5:36:39 AM , Rating: 3
Nope, you're still not getting it. Kickstand on your lap or on an uneven surface like in your bed, etc? No, it is not like a real dock.

RE: Nice!
By Cheesew1z69 on 11/30/2012 8:15:23 AM , Rating: 2
999 for a 10in 128gb device....

RE: Nice!
By EnzoFX on 11/29/12, Rating: -1
RE: Nice!
By anactoraaron on 11/30/2012 12:53:41 AM , Rating: 4
You're right. Apple doesn't make a 'productivity' tablet device. So there's no comparison.

RE: Nice!
By steven975 on 11/30/2012 8:26:29 AM , Rating: 3
Right, it's $200 more than the iPad and offers about 5-7x more performance and productivity.

RE: Nice!
By Tony Swash on 11/29/12, Rating: -1
RE: Nice!
By Pirks on 11/30/2012 3:06:13 AM , Rating: 3
Guys, enjoy this picture that proves how much our old Apple loving Tony is removed from reality:

Nice eh? I was stunned when I looked at it.

Ballmer FTW!!!

RE: Nice!
By xti on 12/1/2012 8:48:08 AM , Rating: 2
yes, but everyone loves PC programs, games, etc. MacOS has such a limited library outside of the typical apple store stuff.

this is the full versions of office, MMOs, photoshops of the world, etc in a tablet and you dont have a 7 lb heater on your lap. And you dont have to rebuy programs cuz you already have them.

I would pay $2k depending on how strong of video it comes with.

you cant compare RT to PRO. unless you want to compare iPad mini to full size one straight up number for number.

RE: Nice!
By geddarkstorm on 11/29/2012 2:50:54 PM , Rating: 3
This is the tablet we've been waiting for.

Question is, how well will it do at this price point against ultraportables? Can't wait to see how this plays out.

RE: Nice!
By retrospooty on 11/29/2012 3:09:45 PM , Rating: 2
I see this winning, or at least driving ultraportables prices down. It has full x86 app compatibility. Plug in the keyboard and its a 2lbs ultrabook, take off the keyboard and its a slightly fat tablet, but it will still run all your apps. That and with the touchscreen, Win8 doesn't suck.

RE: Nice!
By retrofullofdooky on 11/29/12, Rating: -1
RE: Nice!
By FITCamaro on 11/29/2012 3:21:06 PM , Rating: 3
I see the trolls mimicking people's names are back.

RE: Nice!
By Cheesew1z69 on 11/29/2012 3:47:43 PM , Rating: 1
It has to be Pirks, it has his style written all over. The DT staff needs to grow some balls and start banning this crap.

RE: Nice!
By retrospooty on 11/29/2012 4:07:02 PM , Rating: 1
It does have his style... The style being that of a 13 year old child. Then again, Pirks has absolutely no problem acting like an immature ape as himself, so why make new ID's LOL.

RE: Nice!
By Cheesew1z69 on 11/29/2012 4:52:24 PM , Rating: 2

RE: Nice!
By Pirks on 11/30/2012 3:10:09 AM , Rating: 3
You wish, sad clowney :))) Post some more of your angry BS, I'm so lovin' it!

RE: Nice!
By robinthakur on 11/30/2012 5:55:22 AM , Rating: 2
So I assume you are going to actually put your hand in your pocket and buy it? If you admire it from afar whilst proclaiming that its way better than the iPad like everybody else always does here (judging by the sales), they won't be making any more Surfaces. Sales on the RT version are less than stellar due to the lack of availability currently, but hopefully this does well.

RE: Nice!
By geddarkstorm on 11/30/2012 12:46:46 PM , Rating: 2
Where did I say anything about the iPad?

RE: Nice!
By TakinYourPoints on 11/29/2012 10:01:47 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, its a really good price. I wouldn't use this over a 15" laptop (personal preference, 13" is as small as I'd go) or a tablet with real battery life and lighter weight, but this is a good in-between device for people who don't want to have both.

RE: Nice!
By FITCamaro on 11/30/2012 9:03:14 AM , Rating: 2
Don't forget the Micro SDXC card slot to expand storage.

$65 gives you another 64GB of storage. Something the iPad can't boast.

By messele on 11/29/2012 2:55:34 PM , Rating: 3
Be interesting to see how many people want to combine a laptop and tablet in reality. There's definitely a reasonable demand for it amongst the hard core.

For me personally it's too compromised. It's not as good as a decent laptop, and it sounds too bulky and heavy to be a decent tablet replacement.

I just hope it's more focused than the dreadful RT and Intel got their act together on the processor / power drain side of things.

RE: Hmm
By retrospooty on 11/29/12, Rating: 0
RE: Hmm
By messele on 11/29/2012 5:30:17 PM , Rating: 4
It looks clunky and overpriced for the spec as a laptop. It's way too bulky and heavy as a tablet.

Proper laptop for proper work, tablet by the side for running tighter, custom apps that work better on a tablet (yes, even in a work environment).

One size does not fit all. It'll sell but it's solving a problem that doesn't exist.

RE: Hmm
By someguy123 on 11/29/2012 6:05:19 PM , Rating: 2
how is it bulky and heavy? the thing is .16 inches thicker than the ipad and about a 8oz heavier. If you're struggling to hold an ipad and half a bottle of water I'd say you're better off spending your money on some food.

RE: Hmm
By messele on 11/29/2012 6:17:58 PM , Rating: 2
My opinion doesn't matter. As far as I'm concerned they've missed the real market by some margin. Let's see how the thing sells.

RE: Hmm
By Cheesew1z69 on 11/29/12, Rating: 0
RE: Hmm
By ResStellarum on 11/29/2012 10:50:57 PM , Rating: 2
It also has a low resolution compared to the Nexus 10, iPad, and Kindle Fire HD.

RE: Hmm
By TakinYourPoints on 11/29/2012 11:58:00 PM , Rating: 3
That is a necessary limitation because of the operating system. iOS and Android were built with their specific hardware resolutions in mind. Desktop operating systems accomodate a very specific range of pixel densities, and none of them are anywhere close to what you find in something like an iPad. Apple is pushing very high resolutions in their new Macbook Pros, and even there they have to wait on developers to do touch-ups on their user interfaces to make it play nice with such a high res display. Unlike OS X, Windows cannot yet handle such high pixel density just yet.

Now take it even further with something like the iPad or the Nexus 10, displays that have even higher pixel density than the rMBP. Do you know how bad Windows 8 on a 10" 2048x1536 display would look? Everything would be miniscule even with 200% scaling.

RE: Hmm
By ResStellarum on 11/29/2012 10:46:05 PM , Rating: 2
People with jobs will want it.

Ordinary people with jobs are already forced to use Windows at work, I doubt they'll fork out for something they already dislike. As for businesses buying them for employees, not a chance. 1.1k for a tablet? Yeah that's not going to happen any time soon.

You can take it to the office and run actual enterprise apps on it. Full on MS office, and whatever your company uses for your particular job

You seem very sure about that. A lot of enterprise apps aren't even compatible with Windows 7, let alone Windows 8.

As for MS office and legacy apps, current Windows 7 tablets can do all that, yet no one's buying them. The iPad and Android have office suites available for them too. The days when businesses needed Windows are over. The BYOD craze, and popularity of alternative OS's is killing Microsoft in the enterprise. The consumer market is already lost.

In that sense its a full on laptop, not an incompatible toy like other tablets. Then take it home and its still a great tablet.

Incompatible with what? Windows? Or is Windows incompatible with iOS and Android? All the major apps are being developed on those two platforms now. Even businesses are porting their apps over as well, which is unprecedented.

If you want to talk incompatibility, look no further than Windows RT/Metro/Startscreen. No legacy Windows apps run in that environment. They either have to drop back into the desktop which is horrible for touch, or don't run at all in the case of WOA. That's the very definition of a toy. Compared with Android and iOS which both have over half a million apps in their respective stores, and each of which is optimised for touch.

Then there's the weight and battery life of the Surface Pro. It's going to be heavy and no where near as efficient as ARM. Just make sure you bring your charger everywhere with you lol.

RE: Hmm
By darkhawk1980 on 11/30/2012 1:08:08 AM , Rating: 3
Honestly, you just may not have a job that necessitates a device such as this or that.

I'm a design engineer, taking quite a bit of notes about the products I work on. I have a Samsung Series 7 Slate with Windows 7 installed on it. ANYTHING I needed to run on a desktop can run on this tablet just as well as the desktop. It works great, and the funny part is the sales guys and others that had IPad's and all felt cool walking around with them, see my tablet and thought it was an ipad at first...then see it's running Windows and that I can do anything a desktop PC does....suddenly there's more that would rather have it. It makes sense, especially if you are a very mobile person that moves around a lot. A laptop is nice, a tablet works better. In meeting's it's great because I can look everything up and it's not nearly as distracting as having a huge laptop.
As far as charging? Guess what, 8 hours isn't a problem with the tablet. Normally I get 10 hours out of the tablet without charging, depending on how heavy duty the applications I'm running are.
There aren't 'incompatiblities' with applications on these tablets (that are runing full x86 CPU's). The incompatibilities are from people like yourself, that have no idea regarding them, have not attempted to use them or even understand them. If you can run it on your desktop, these tablets CAN and WILL run them.
If people open their minds and try it, they realize how nice it is in the end. I can't wait for the Surface Pro. I wish I could convince my company to get one for me to replace my Samsung Series 7 slate. It'd be nice.

RE: Hmm
By retrospooty on 12/1/2012 7:02:44 PM , Rating: 1
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

RE: Hmm
By kmmatney on 11/30/2012 1:37:05 AM , Rating: 2
The screen is certainly too small for me to run my Apps or do any programming. I'm happy with a real laptop for work, and an iPad for fun and games. I'm really thinking about getting a Galaxy Note II, and leaving my iPad at home more often, though.

RE: Hmm
By FITCamaro on 11/29/2012 3:13:13 PM , Rating: 2
How is it not a decent laptop? Maybe not decent for gaming, but neither are most laptops.

With the hardware it has, it will be great for a work laptop connected to an external display with external keyboard and mouse.

I'd love to see a version of the Surface connected to an AMD APU with greater graphics performance to actually make it decent at mid range 720p gaming.

RE: Hmm
By InsGadget on 11/29/2012 5:08:23 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe not decent for gaming

Actually it should be pretty decent for gaming, Intel's HD4000 onboard graphics are much better than the HD3000. Not superb, but decent enough.

RE: Hmm
By dubldwn on 11/29/2012 7:27:47 PM , Rating: 2
Need another doubling. Haswell GT3. Then we can play pretty much anything (albeit on low).

RE: Hmm
By Omega215D on 11/29/2012 5:27:28 PM , Rating: 2
Compared to the MacBook Air this should be really good. It'll be much more useful than a fully kitted out iPad despite being a couple of hundred more.

RE: Hmm
By Pirks on 11/30/2012 3:16:35 AM , Rating: 2
Compared to the MacBook Air this should be really good

It's not just "really good"... but see for yourself. It's more like REALLY REALLY REALLY good :)

By Kyuu on 11/29/2012 9:28:03 PM , Rating: 1
I really wish Microsoft would make this with an AMD APU instead of the Intel chip. Then it'd be perfect (and cheaper).

RE: Almost...
By euler007 on 11/30/2012 11:34:58 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, an inferior CPU would really make it better.

RE: Almost...
By Kyuu on 11/30/2012 11:56:55 AM , Rating: 2
Better graphics performance and more than adequate CPU performance for cheaper? Yep, that would indeed make it better.

RE: Almost...
By someguy123 on 11/30/2012 12:13:19 PM , Rating: 2
It would be worse for everything except video games and some adobe filters/scaling.

If you're going to be using the thing exclusively for games you may as well just buy a laptop, or a conventional tablet and run apps and emulators off it.

By lolmuly on 11/29/2012 3:23:56 PM , Rating: 2
Surface Pro will be compatible with the vast library of legacy Windows applications thanks to its Intel Core i5 x86 processor.

Don't you mean an x64 processor? Are you implying that the device will be running a 32 bit version of the OS?

RE: compatability
By hankw on 11/29/2012 4:45:39 PM , Rating: 2
Nearly the ultimate device...but not quite
By Helbore on 11/29/2012 5:41:16 PM , Rating: 2
This tablet is the parent of the perfect device for me. There are only two factors that really hold it back - weight and battery life.

It's being reported that Surface Pro will have half the battery life of Surface RT. Whilst that's fairly normal for a Windows laptop, its too low for a tablet. Similarly, 900 grams is too heavy for a tablet.

Those two issues are deal breakers for me, but I think we onlt have a maximum of 18 months before we see these issues rectified. Haswell may manage it, but I'm confident Broadwell will definitely bring us a full x86 ULV Core processor in a tablet with a low weight and good battery life.

I'd put money on the 2nd gen Surfaces being the ones that really change the game.

By FITCamaro on 11/30/2012 9:00:39 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed. Haswell should be out by then and battery life should improve. But with a larger battery and roughly the same hardware as a Macbook Air, we'll see. Obviously you're trading power and performance over battery life with the Pro.

With a roughly 30% larger battery on the Pro vs the RT, it might do ok on battery life.

Few concerns
By Netscorer on 11/30/2012 10:19:32 AM , Rating: 2
I currently use Lenovo Yoga and at 13'' screen and 1600x900 resolution it is already a borderline usable in a regular desktop applications. While 1080p on 10'' screen would be marvelous for tablet side of Windows 8, even with scaling, this may suck hard when you try to open and actually use any legacy application.

Second concern is Intel Ivy Bridge processor in such small enclosure. Even ULV needs cooling and this means fans and air output grills. Still, given such a compact nature of Surface, I can only wonder how it will behave when under load. Any moderate game can push this CPU to its limits and with no heat escape path this may turn ugly.

Third, battery life. Intel core i5, 1080p screen, x86 architecture and no place to put the battery. If this Surface ends up having sub 4 hour life on battery, it will not fare nice for ultramobile folks. If Microsoft can pull out 6 hours or more on this baby, it will fly off the shelves.

RE: Few concerns
By edge929 on 11/30/2012 12:47:01 PM , Rating: 2
Acer has shown their version of Surface Pro (W700) at shows and there is a fan with intake/exhaust ports.

Great price
By BillyBatson on 11/30/2012 12:10:05 PM , Rating: 2
The price is just right and I WILL be buying one. $999 is 200-400 chape than what everyone thought it was going to be. 100% being purchased and my ipad2 will be handed down to my little sister, she can play angry birds all she likes.

RE: Great price
By flyingpants1 on 11/30/2012 9:00:11 PM , Rating: 2
$999 is 2x the price of an Asus i3 Ultrabook with a real hinge and keyboard.

Good price
By tayb on 11/29/2012 2:42:51 PM , Rating: 2
That's a really good price.

I could realistically replace my laptop AND iPad with a Surface Pro. Same couldn't be said for any device thus far.

I like the VivoTab better personally though. Just needs more power. The idea of "docking" into a laptop-esque base that has a big battery is very intriguing.

Patented name ...
By Ramstark on 11/29/2012 2:44:53 PM , Rating: 2
Ok, now the "Ultratablets" are born. Please send me your money each time you use the term...:D

By AmishElvis on 11/29/2012 2:52:49 PM , Rating: 2
It's basically just a really skinny laptop. I see this competing with the Macbook Air more than anything else.

By sixteenornumber on 11/29/2012 3:01:11 PM , Rating: 2
despite the hipsters anti Microsoft comments, I really do like Microsoft. I use ubuntu, redhat, solaris and ice cream sandwich every day between work and home and I still prefer the interface of MS products. I'm really looking forward to this tablet.

battery life
By Uncle on 11/29/2012 3:28:21 PM , Rating: 2
Anyone know the actual user battery life. lets say watching a video, that should suck it up.

Finally ...
By hugo_stiglitz on 11/29/2012 3:35:20 PM , Rating: 2
This is the ultra-portable enthusiasts have been waiting for.

The price isn't a bargain, but fair for what you're getting.

Myself, I think I'll be waiting for the Haswell version (better battery life and graphics performance).

Which cover?
By laviathan05 on 11/29/2012 4:55:58 PM , Rating: 2
I hope we get to chose which cover we receive with the Surface Pro, unlike the RT where the bundled option only included a black touch cover.

Also an important aspect for me is the included pen input as I will be using this to take copious notes.

By chrnochime on 11/29/2012 7:52:49 PM , Rating: 2
So this is pretty much the same as an ultrabook, except it's a tablet + keyboard, and packs the same amount of heat in a smaller package?

This is it!
By racesur on 11/30/2012 6:05:33 AM , Rating: 2
For all those doomsday preachers and windows h8ers! This is the tablet I was waiting for.. Something that will allow me to do more than just playing Angry Birds!

WOW, what a fail
By flyingpants1 on 11/30/2012 8:51:26 PM , Rating: 2
This thing is WAY too expensive.

The Lenovo Yoga 13 has a 13.3" 1600x900 screen, 128GB SSD and costs $999 to start.

The Lenovo Twist has a larger 12.5" screen and costs $746 to start.

Or you could get two ASUS Vivobooks on Amazon for $499 each..

And guess what, they all have REAL keyboards and a REAL hinge so you can use them on your lap, you know, like a LAPtop.
With the Surface design, you sacrifice laptop-style usability for tablet-style weight and size reduction.

By Endlesspath on 12/1/2012 11:47:06 PM , Rating: 2
Whatever the wondrous final technical stats and amazing price MS has related to this piece of hardware.. realize that the MS manufactured (subcontracted) hardware reliability record is abysmal. A factual statistic: Let alone the failure rate of the original Xbox Console, the X360 console has a 54.2% fail rate.

Good luck you poor sorry fools for buying first gen hardware from MS!

Flop within 18 months
By SunAngel on 11/29/12, Rating: -1
RE: Flop within 18 months
By thefrozentin on 11/29/2012 3:14:08 PM , Rating: 2
You are falling 'apart'!

RE: Flop within 18 months
By FITCamaro on 11/29/2012 3:20:07 PM , Rating: 2
So 1080p on a 10" screen is bad but 2048x1536 on a 10" screen is fabulous? Right...

And the kickstand is a bad idea? To whom? You. Nevermind its actually a great feature for when wanting to watch a video or actually use it.

Not a completely biased opinion at all here...

RE: Flop within 18 months
By retrospooty on 11/29/2012 5:09:46 PM , Rating: 5
I dont know if he is trolling, or smoking some good crack. Most of his list is rediculous.

1) Price - This is a good price for all you can do with it.
2) Keyboard - This is a good thing.
3) 1080p on 10" - This is a good thing.
3a) metro font size - meh, who cares.
3b) lots of scrolling - I dont even know what that means. 1080p is pretty roomy for a 10 incher.
4) Windows 8 - It's actually quite nice for a touchscreen device.
4a) high learning curve - For a trained Ape maybe. The rest of us can point and launch fairly well without taking a class.
4b) lack of good free apps - Abundance of good x86 apps
5) Poor ergonomics (ie. kick stand) - This is a good thing. I love the kickstand.
6) Not apart of Apple ecosystem - Its x86, so FAR superior. This is a good thing.
7) Etc. etc. etc. - no, no , and no.

RE: Flop within 18 months
By Cheesew1z69 on 11/29/2012 6:55:52 PM , Rating: 2
6) Not apart of Apple ecosystem
This is your answer...Troll.

RE: Flop within 18 months
By bupkus on 11/29/2012 8:42:47 PM , Rating: 3
6) Not made by Apple

There... what you really mean. If it had you'd be so "OMG! it's so magical".

RE: Flop within 18 months
By flyingpants1 on 11/30/2012 8:59:00 PM , Rating: 1
1) Price - agree
2) Keyboard - agree
3) 1080p on 10" - disagree , there's nothing inhernetly wrong with 1080p on 10", many tablets have it. High DPI is generally a good thing.
3a) metro font size - agree
3b) lots of scrolling - not sure what you mean
4) Windows 8 - agree
4a) high learning curve - disagree , the learning curve is small because it's Windows x86. Windows 8 sucks though.
4b) lack of good free apps - agree
5) Poor ergonomics (ie. kick stand) - agree
6) Not apart of Apple ecosystem - disagree , obvious trolling.

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