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Merrill Lynch's Scott Craig said there's a good chance Deutsche Telecom will announce the iPhone's arrival next week

T-Mobile is the last of the four major U.S. carriers to not offer Apple's iPhone, but that may change at next week's analysts day. 

According to Merrill Lynch's Scott Craig, there's a good chance Deutsche Telecom will announce the iPhone's arrival to T-Mobile during analysts day on December 6 and 7. 

It's very possible that this could be the case, since T-Mobile recently spread its high-speed HSPA+ network (which is compatible with the iPhone) to 10 new metropolitan areas. 

A deal between Apple and T-Mobile could be beneficial for both, as Apple would have its device available on all four major carriers and T-Mobile would likely see a sales boost.

However, just last week, T-Mobile USA COO Jim Alling said that it'd be nice to carry the iPhone, but it just isn't worth it.

Jim Alling, COO of T-Mobile USA, said, "Make no mistake about it: We would love to carry the iPhone. However, we want the economies to be right for us."

Apparently, T-Mobile doesn't want to be stuck in the same position as Sprint. When Sprint took on the iPhone 4S for the first time in September 2011, the deal cost $15.5 billion. Sprint said its iPhone operations won't be profitable until 2015

T-Mobile recently blamed its branded net contract customer losses during Q3 2012 on the iPhone 5, since it's available at Verizon, AT&T and Sprint. 

Source: CNN



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RE: It doesn't matter
By StevoLincolnite on 11/30/2012 6:41:27 AM , Rating: 2
It doesn't make them idiots, not everyone is an enthusiast who cares about how fast their processor is or how pretty a game looks.
My grandmother would be better served with an iPhone over an Android or Windows Phone due to how simple and easy it is, plus... Everyone knows how iOS functions and performs so even your backyard Bogan can help them out with it.

Myself however, Android all the way, I like doing whatever I want with my device and having plenty of choice between phones to choose from.


RE: It doesn't matter
By retrospooty on 11/30/2012 7:30:29 AM , Rating: 4
I agree with you there. Running an IT dept at a mid size company (500+ users) we actually recommend the iPhone for our users that are less technically inclined. We let them choose their own phone as long as it support EAS (cough not Blackberry) but for anyone that doesn't know what to get, we push them to the iPhone. The simple reason why , is that it's easier to use for people that just don't care about tech. Its not that they are idiots. It's accountants, execs, and other educated people with plenty of skills, its just that they don't get technology.


RE: It doesn't matter
By Tony Swash on 11/30/2012 7:47:15 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Its not that they are idiots. It's accountants, execs, and other educated people with plenty of skills, its just that they don't get technology.


I think a better way of putting it is not that they don't get technology but rather that their priority is not the technology itself but the function it performs. If, say, you are a photographer your priority is understanding cameras and photography and a device or computer is just an ancillary tool, so the tool that gets the job done without demanding that you waste any of your precious time figuring it out is the better tool. So the people that choose the technology that is the easiest to use are precisely the ones that do 'get technology' because they have made the most rational choice in relation to their priorities.


RE: It doesn't matter
By retrospooty on 11/30/2012 8:04:39 AM , Rating: 2
fair enough... Apple is good for that aspect. I think Wozniak said it best. He still loves his iPhone, but he wishes it could do everything that his Android can do.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/248272/apple_cofoun...


RE: It doesn't matter
By Rukkian on 11/30/2012 12:49:19 PM , Rating: 2
While I understand your point, I dont actually agree. Everybody I know with Iphones comes to me constantly trying to figure out how to get it to do this, or that.

If all you want is a few crappy games and a crappy web browser along with a good camera, then sure the iphone is fine. As soon as you want to do a little more with it, I feel it is actually more difficult. I end up using my GNEX to search google to figure out how to do something on their supposedly easy iphone that they could not figure out.

I think that 2 years ago (1 year?), the argument could be made that apple devices were easier. Ever since ICS came out and now JB, I personally think that android is just as easy for the basic things while giving you the power to do just about anything you want with whatever form factor you want.

Most people get a device and can figure out the basic things pretty easily on any device, and eventually want it to do more, which is when the difference comes about. There are many many things I can do with simple gestures on my device that are either non-existent, or not simple to get to on an iphone.


RE: It doesn't matter
By ElConquistador on 12/1/2012 12:21:50 AM , Rating: 2
+1


RE: It doesn't matter
By hughlle on 11/30/2012 8:30:10 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Everyone knows how iOS functions and performs so even your backyard Bogan can help them out with it


Why do you think that? I'm anything but a backyard Bogan yet i don't know the first thing about using iOS, i can't for the life of me use my girlfriends iphone 4.


RE: It doesn't matter
By retrospooty on 11/30/2012 9:09:35 AM , Rating: 3
That is because you are probably thinking. Try it again and pretend you don't know anything at all. Empty your head completely of tech as if you just walked in out of the 1950's.. It will work great for you.


RE: It doesn't matter
By Rukkian on 11/30/2012 12:50:17 PM , Rating: 2
Until you actually want to do something productive!


RE: It doesn't matter
By jimbojimbo on 11/30/2012 9:58:56 AM , Rating: 2
I disagree on the ease of use. They are both easy to use but Android can get more complicated since it lets you do more. I got my parents an Android tablet last year and they use it all the time for the same things most people use it for, checking email, looking at pictures, watching YouTube, browsing, looking at cookbooks, and various other apps. This when my sister and I had to teach them how to use a mouse 4 years ago and it took a while.
How is Android more difficult to use? I actually find it easier since I could add widgets for commonly changed settings right on their desktop so they don't have to click around everywhere.


RE: It doesn't matter
By Shadowself on 11/30/2012 11:11:06 AM , Rating: 2
I believe the point is that *you* had to "add widgets for commonly changed settings". They couldn't do that themselves.

The idea behind Apple's iOS interface is that it is a standard interface across all iOS devices and all telecom carriers. If you got used to the iPhone on ATT and went to iPad on Verison, the interface is virtually 100% the same. The learning curve is nil. This is probably the most significant reason why Apple does not let the telecom companies modify the OS. (It's not just because Apple is a control freak, though there is that too.)

This "standardization" comes at costs: lack of flexibility and customizability as well as loss of functionality and capability (though Apple fans will tell you that you don't really need that functionality and capability in the OS and "there's an app for that").

If your parents did not have you to customize the Android based tablet for them, would they have had greater ease of use and learning by going to an iPad?


RE: It doesn't matter
By V-Money on 11/30/2012 12:02:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I believe the point is that *you* had to "add widgets for commonly changed settings". They couldn't do that themselves.


Wait, people are too stupid to add a widget? I mean, I know that people don't know how to do a lot of things and I can see how you can argue some things in Android are "harder to use" but widgets? If you can't figure out how to set up a widget especially on ICS and up you probably should just kill yourself.

As a side note JB has the most commonly changed settings in the notification bar so that is no longer an issue really...unless of course they can't figure out how to slide the notification bar down...sigh...


RE: It doesn't matter
By LordSojar on 11/30/2012 11:19:02 AM , Rating: 2
Clearly you haven't spent much time with Windows Phone Mango (7.5) or 8 have you?

Windows Phone is all text and is absurdly simple to use. Whereas an iPhone uses icons for things, Windows Phone shows you text for most settings etc. It's extremely descriptive, and text is also significantly larger than on an iPhone.

So in reality, for older folks and for those who are technologically challenged, Windows Phone is superior to iOS. iOS is simple for the sake of being unchanged the past 5+ years. So... yeah.


RE: It doesn't matter
By retrospooty on 11/30/2012 11:52:50 AM , Rating: 2
I have not spent much time. I want to, but no-one has them and no-one buys them. We let people choose and so far only 1 WP7 device that was offsite, so I only got to look at it for a few mins. I am very much looking forward to trying out WP8. I am sure someone here will get one soon.


RE: It doesn't matter
By TakinYourPoints on 11/30/2012 6:25:40 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, the WP UI is pretty great, best thing MS has done in a while


RE: It doesn't matter
By TakinYourPoints on 11/30/12, Rating: 0
RE: It doesn't matter
By retrospooty on 11/30/2012 8:57:13 PM , Rating: 1
/facepalm

That is like me saying my Ivy bridge is faster than your Nehalem. Yes, it is but who cares, both are plenty fast
enough.

"I guess playing with the home screen is more important."

Uh, ya, that is what Android has over iPhone homescreen. LOL, dood you are so off center its not even funny. YOu keep posting your ridiculousness, so I will keep with the counterpoint.

- Larger Screens
- Higher resolution screens
- NFC
- Better Mapping software
- Plays HD content
- Greater than 5x4 icons
- Faster Voice search
- Photo Sphere
- Multi user support
- Removable battery
- Mini HDMI
- Flexibility in OS
- Flexibility in hardware
- Micro SD card
- Micro USB
- Plug and play as a flash drive

That is a BIT more items than "playing with the home screen". I seriously cant understand how you keep defending with all that hte iPhone lacks. I know it has its strength bot FFS!, look at all its missing. It basically has the SOC and app support of a high end phone and the rest is bargain basement.


RE: It doesn't matter
By TakinYourPoints on 12/1/2012 7:53:00 PM , Rating: 3
Better maps and the personal preference of larger screens and keyboards are the pluses of Android hardware. Multi-user support on iOS tablets is also something that needs to get added.

Everything else you mentioned either doesn't matter or is wrong. The GS3 screen is trash in comparison, they need to get off pentile ASAP and start properly calibrating their screens. The color calibration from most other companies is really bad for that matter.

You also keep bringing up plug & play as a flash drive when I've mentioned several times that this can be done in iOS. As usual, there's an app for that.

So yeah, better screens, faster hardware, better apps, longer battery life. You also missed the post I was responding to:

quote:
It doesn't make them idiots, not everyone is an enthusiast who cares about how fast their processor is or how pretty a game looks.


For this specific thing he brought up as a strength opf Android, yes, the iPhone 5 is better. But please, keep bringing up micro-USB and large (but crappy) screens as pluses.

Oh, and playing with your home screen. ;)


RE: It doesn't matter
By TakinYourPoints on 12/1/2012 8:24:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
That is like me saying my Ivy bridge is faster than your Nehalem.


This is also nonsense. Faster CPU performance aside, GPU performance also isn't even close. The iPhone 5 is over twice as fast than the GS3 in practical benchmarks and 3-6 times as fast in synthetic benchmarks. Going to something using much older hardware, even the iPad Mini has faster graphics performance than a GS3.

And of course, more developers are there to take advantage of this faster iOS hardware. I guess slower hardware on the Android side doesn't really matter when very few devs are really pushing it to the same degree.

Stop trying to downplay the difference, it is a lot larger than Nehalem vs Ivy Bridge. But I forgot, micro-USB makes slower hardware with fewer quality apps and bad screens totally worth it!


RE: It doesn't matter
By retrospooty on 12/1/2012 10:15:21 PM , Rating: 2
The GS3 came out 7 months ago. Stop using it as your data-skewing baseline. Compare it to today's new phones and its pretty close and YOU stop overplaying the difference. Its not one thing missing, its a ton of things, plus the OS itself. IOS has been surpassed as it stagnates in 2007ville


RE: It doesn't matter
By retrospooty on 12/1/2012 10:21:44 PM , Rating: 2
Plus the screen on the iPhone sucks. Too small, and too low res. Give me an Htc dna's 5 inch 1080p screen any day. You can have your imagined superior screen and give the rest of us the truly superior screen in size and res and DPI... And all the other great stuff the iPhone and is missing. You must really like bezels.


RE: It doesn't matter
By Rukkian on 12/3/2012 9:37:01 AM , Rating: 2
Honestly to me it all comes down to personal preference. Do you want somebody telling you what you are allowed to install, configure, or do with your phone holding your hand through everything, and being required to use expensive accessories, or do you want a more open, more configurable, and (IMO) much more smooth and easy interface.

I personally like having a larger screen with more dpi in about the same size device, and dont need one, static, big round button that does what they want it to do. My 1 year old phone (Galaxy Nexus) is never slow for anything I want to do with it, has the latest, greatest OS (even the one the came on it is more advanced than IOS) and the screen is awesome. The size of it is about equivalent to an IPhone 4, even though the screen is much larger.

I know others like being locked in to something without any choice and giving one company total control so they don't have to think, but it is all personal preference at this point in the game. Don't stick your nose so far in the air because you think you are kewl to use an iphone, don't try to convince others they are idiots, and just relax.


RE: It doesn't matter
By TakinYourPoints on 12/3/2012 10:08:36 PM , Rating: 2
That's really the thing, personal preference.

The "limitations" of iOS haven't manifested as limitations, that's the main thing. When it stops being the main target development platform for mobile and when the hardware stops being as good as it is, then maybe people will have a serious excuse to not use it.

The idea that people who use iOS do so without logical and very practical reasons is absolutely ridiculous, and it is one that retro keeps trying to hammer home.


RE: It doesn't matter
By TakinYourPoints on 12/3/2012 10:01:38 PM , Rating: 2
The iPhone screen has more subpixels than the GS3, despite having a "lower" resolution. Tiny text on the iPhone actually renders properly, and the iPhone screen is at proper sRGB. Color is accurate and contrast is correct.

Nothing "imagined", anyone with a pair of eyes and standards can tell the difference.

With the GS3 you get oversaturated color, cranked contrast, and text that renders as if you were running a desktop monitor at a non-native resolution: blurry.

I saw this with my eyes for months, but since you don't know anything about color and I reckon you've never calibrated a monitor in your life (I work in motion pictures and all my monitors and HDTV are calibrated), here is Anandtech's comparison, scroll down to "saturation and gamut": http://www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-iphone-5-re...

You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you? But if you like big but trash screens, go ahead, there is no accounting for low standards.


RE: It doesn't matter
By TakinYourPoints on 12/3/2012 10:04:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The GS3 came out 7 months ago. Stop using it as your data-skewing baseline. Compare it to today's new phones and its pretty close and YOU stop overplaying the difference


If I use other newer phones then the results skew even farther away from you, given that they have worse specs.

I'm trying to help you out here dude, stop shooting yourself in the foot.


"There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance." -- Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer














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