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Microsoft wants 20,000 extra green cards per year too

Microsoft is willing to pay the U.S. government for additional H-1B worker visas, saying there aren't enough skilled Americans to fill its available job openings.
 
More specifically, it suggested that the government raise $500 million a year by tacking on an extra $10,000 fee for each newly created H-1B visa or $15,000 for each new green card. This money can then be used to offer better education in science, technology, engineering and mathematics (STEM) for Americans. Microsoft noted that not enough Americans are skilled in these areas to keep up with demand.

In addition to raising the number of visas offered, Microsoft wants the government to give 20,000 extra green cards per year.

H-1B visas allow foreign workers to come to the U.S. temporarily to work in their field. They can renew their visas every three years. Green cards, on the other hand, allow foreign workers to live in the country permanently. Currently, the government offers 65,000 visas a year, but in the past has seen numbers as high as 195,000.

Microsoft is one of the largest sponsors when it comes to H-1B visas. Ten percent of its 57,400 U.S. workforce are H-1B visa holders. From 2010 to 2011, it applied for about 850 visas annually for new employees on their very first H-1B visa. In 2011, Microsoft sponsored over 4,700 H-1B workers for green cards.

Many worry, however, that Microsoft is just looking for cheap labor. An issue is that Microsoft and other corporations don't need to prove that there aren't skilled Americans to fill these jobs. The Government Accountability Office (GAO) even warned that there are "inadequate safeguards" that protect skilled Americans from being booted out of jobs for cheaper foreign workers.

"The biggest myth people have is that a company like Microsoft somehow looks to foreign workers as an easy supply to displace American workers," said Karen Jones, Microsoft's deputy general counsel for human resources. "We simply cannot find qualified Americans to fill these jobs."

An analysis of Microsoft's green card applications shows that 25 percent were entry-level workers and 61 percent were a step up as software engineers or marketing managers. Most hold technical jobs, but most also make fewer than six figures while many graduates usually demand over $100,000 annual salaries.

Source: The Seattle Times



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both ways
By talikarni on 11/26/2012 3:31:01 PM , Rating: 2
Really it goes several ways...
They make the problem worse by not hiring Americans, but at the same time Americans are increasingly sticking with the job they have, just to hope they keep it.

quote:
...Microsoft is just looking for cheap labor.


Considering the REAL jobless rate is closer to 20%, there should not be any problem finding American workers, Microsoft just doesn't want to pay the rate, so yes they are just looking for cheap labor.




RE: both ways
By Argon18 on 11/26/2012 3:44:51 PM , Rating: 2
The problem is that most of those jobless people come from manufacturing. Notice how *absolutely everything* in your local Wall Mart or Best Buy says "made in china" on it?

The people making noise about lack of middle class jobs are same people loading up their shopping card with Made in China junk every time they head to the store. They brought about their own demise.

A business cannot retrain a manufacturing factory worker to become a C++ programmer. That's a skill that takes a university degree and years of experience to develop.


RE: both ways
By superstition on 11/26/2012 3:58:46 PM , Rating: 2
Politicians/businessmen colluded to make sure Walmart and the made-in-China model would take over.

You can thank them. The little people really don't have as much say in things as you think.

Globalized business is globalized. Multinational corporations and the people who run them don't have any loyalty to the US. They can degrade product quality and use stealth monopolization to artificially inflate prices. They slash wages and make everyone credit slaves.


RE: both ways
By Jeffk464 on 11/26/2012 4:01:50 PM , Rating: 2
A lot of jobs that used to qualify you for the middle class now qualify you for the lower class. The fact is for your average worker things are just getting worse.


RE: both ways
By StanO360 on 11/26/2012 5:21:45 PM , Rating: 2
FYI China represents 19% of imports. Canada is second at 14%.


RE: both ways
By YashBudini on 11/26/2012 5:29:37 PM , Rating: 2
He clearly stated Walmart, who's founder is probably spinning in his grave, given he didn't have a store flooded with Chinese goods.


RE: both ways
By john80224 on 11/26/2012 5:39:37 PM , Rating: 2
I can't really say how many or few of the however many million unemployed are suited to the fields in question. But I find it easy to believe the number is much higher than zero.

There have been too many stories of companies tossing the qualified out to replace with younger, indentured servants; offshoring companies allowed to staff in the US almost exclusively with foreign talent; and locals being discriminated against for being from the wrong country--the US. Is every such story true? Of course not. But the volume of them, and the magnitude of what can be proven is enough for me to remain leery of the "can't find" argument.


RE: both ways
By Ammohunt on 11/26/2012 5:38:29 PM , Rating: 2
So the conspiracy theory is that they bring in Indians and chinese into America via H1B so they can pay them less than Americans? Why bother when they can setup an office in the host country and pay them there?

I work in IT and have worked with many Indians and have found they are highly competent skilled individuals that are compensated for their skills no different than their American counterparts mainly because Companies have pay scales based on the job description not nationality read illegality. I am not so insecure as to think i can't compete on equal footing with these people for the same jobs; i work my ass of to keep current and marketable.


RE: both ways
By YashBudini on 11/26/2012 5:51:24 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
So the conspiracy theory is that they bring in Indians and chinese into America via H1B so they can pay them less than Americans? Why bother when they can setup an office in the host country and pay them there?

1. Time zones cause issues for those in charge.

2. You can keep an eye on them better, same reason people who can work from home still have to go to the office.

As for the rest of your babble, have you met an H1B that felt they were actually paid the prevailing rate?

I think your penis extender is running out of ammo.


RE: both ways
By Ammohunt on 11/26/2012 6:24:54 PM , Rating: 2
What are you carrying on about? You have a need to project your insecurities related to your genitalia(don't care to know); i get it but at least attempt a reasoned argument rather then spewing nonsensical psycho babble. Take your time think a little(i know its tough for you but you can do it!) then post clear and concise.

Like i said..the Indians i have worked with were compensated at or above competitive rates for the position they were filling. its a myth that they are not; its called discrimination every heard of that in your reality bubble? I would think you would since with people like you accusations of racism are the first word out of your mouth when differences of opinion surfaces.


RE: both ways
By YashBudini on 11/26/2012 7:17:12 PM , Rating: 2
The only real fair play would be to let as many people in to work as demand requires. They don't want that, you never see them ask for that. I can probably line up 100 H1Bs would have quit being so for more money than the few you claim to know.

Your reality bubble? Yeah it's a bubble alright.


RE: both ways
By 91TTZ on 11/26/2012 9:07:20 PM , Rating: 2
I can't take you seriously when you write like you're in grade school. Try using some punctuation and maybe I'll think that I'm not reading a 13 year old kid's posts.


RE: both ways
By YashBudini on 11/27/2012 1:20:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You have a need to project your insecurities related to your genitalia

Oh God, you're so obtuse. It's a metaphor. You could obviously benefit from the same reading comprehension classes as the other guy.

You wear your gun status on your sleeve, then get indignant that somebody addresses it. That's called hypocrisy,which in your shallow intellect is probably more techo babble. So be it.


RE: both ways
By Ammohunt on 11/27/2012 5:00:14 PM , Rating: 2
Gun status? Ah you think my handle has something to do with firearm ownership in relation to a need to feel "powerful" as an extension of my penis. That's something either a man hating woman or an insecure male would say since both suffer from base penis envy. Very wrong,Try harder...


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