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Romney never fully conquered social media platform

When it comes to social networking, one cannot deny that reelected American President Barack Obama's campaign team thoroughly trumped Republican challenger Mitt Romney's team.  

Even a late push by Romney in Facebook "likes" was unable to close the gap, with the final count being nearly 3-to-1 in Obama's favor.  Mitt Romney can take pride in that analysts showed his smaller legion of fans to be more active in sharing content and liking his posts.

But as the President celebrates the title of "Most Popular Tweet in History", some of those same once-engaged Romney fans are abandoning their former Facebook friend.  Mitt Romney is seeing his social media stock rapidly sink.  A site called "Disappearing Romney" is tracking this trend real time -- updating how many fans his page has.

In the last 18 hours former Gov. Romney was losing nearly 1,000 supporters an hour, as each hour on average he was "unliked" by 982 former social media buddies.

Romney unliked
Romney's former fans are "unliking" him at a steady rate.
[Image Source: Disappearing Romney]

The former Massachusetts governor's Facebook effort was marred in the days leading up to the elections by allegations that some of his "likes" were due to some kind of glitch (or according to conspiracy theorists "hacking") on Facebook.  A number of people complained that their accounts mysteriously "liked" Romney and could not be changed.

Romney and Ryan sad
Presidential hopeful Mitt Romney and his VP candidate Paul Ryan lost the social media race, with Barack Obama receiving nearly 3 times as many likes. [Image Source: AP/HR]

Of course take the President's social media cachet with a grain of salt.  Social media's most active members tend to skew to a younger demographic, and the younger demographic also tends to be remarkably consistent at being inconsistent in terms of voting and political fundraising.

In elections that are often decided by narrow margins in battleground states, one must wonder if a candidate who loses the social media battle by such a wide margin will be able to win in future elections, as social media's influence grows by the year.

Sources: Disappearing Romney, CNN



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Let's be honest
By SublimeSimplicity on 11/13/2012 11:13:49 AM , Rating: -1
Did anyone really "like" Romney?




RE: Let's be honest
By bobcpg on 11/13/2012 12:41:33 PM , Rating: 1
yes, about half of the country.


RE: Let's be honest
By SublimeSimplicity on 11/13/2012 12:49:16 PM , Rating: 2
I'm a registered republican. Almost half the country feared Obama, they didn't like Romney.


RE: Let's be honest
By Samus on 11/13/12, Rating: 0
RE: Let's be honest
By anactoraaron on 11/13/2012 1:50:08 PM , Rating: 2
One thing that has stood out to me about this loss is that Romney ran on how good of a governor he was in Massachusetts. He lost there by 20 points. He lost his home state of Michigan by no real surprise after saying that the auto industry should have gone through the bankruptcy process. Not going to get many votes from Detroit doing that.

What really surprised me was Wisconsin. Ryan is from Wisconsin which should be a right leaning state considering Scott Walker and the failed recall and what not... and Obama won there too. I really can't get over how they lost Wisconsin by 7 points.

I know we needed to balance the budget but it should never come at the cost of education. Cut that stupid pork like $2 million for june bug research and that stuff first!


RE: Let's be honest
By FITCamaro on 11/13/2012 2:34:00 PM , Rating: 2
GM and Chrysler did go through the bankruptcy process.


RE: Let's be honest
By anactoraaron on 11/13/12, Rating: 0
RE: Let's be honest
By FITCamaro on 11/13/12, Rating: 0
RE: Let's be honest
By anactoraaron on 11/13/2012 5:22:47 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
You drones sure have a short memory. The government stepped in to save the unions. Nothing more, nothing less.


And you other drones have a double standard way of thinking. So we can save the corporations but not the people? I thought corporations were people too? Shifting corporate debt to the consumer doesn't stimulate the economy, and when Detroit was bailed out cutting worker wages wasn't the right thing to do.

The only people who deserved a pay cut were the people who ran the company into the ground with the obscene pension plans. But yeah, the union needs to bend a bit on benefits and pensions, just not on wages. I do believe we in fact do need unions, but they are a bit too greedy these days.

There's a printing company that are non-union right now that's worked someone I know 12 hours a week for the last 23 days. Yeah unions, labor laws... regulations... we don't need those... "why doesn't he just report this?"
...what and get fired from his job??


RE: Let's be honest
By anactoraaron on 11/13/2012 5:54:01 PM , Rating: 2
**12 hours a day***
I'm doing a bit too much multi-tasking lol


RE: Let's be honest
By FITCamaro on 11/13/2012 10:05:01 PM , Rating: 1
Yes because the $75/hr in total compensation that people who press a button for a living is totally earned and justified when the engineers designing the damn cars aren't earning that.

I didn't want the government to step in at all. I'm merely telling you what Romney said since you idiots have Obama's lies in your thin skulls. I wanted GM to go through bankruptcy if it could, if it couldn't then it'd have been bought up and come back as a stronger company under new ownership. Now it just has the very people who helped create the mess in a position of power in the company and in a few decades be right back where it started. Broke.


RE: Let's be honest
By sgw2n5 on 11/14/2012 4:39:47 PM , Rating: 3
The butthurt is strong with this one...


RE: Let's be honest
By corduroygt on 11/13/2012 2:06:29 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
This is why he lost. People just didn't trust him. They trusted Obama over Romney. And that's pretty remarkable, because our President hasn't done a whole lot in four years. Infact most of the stuff he did, he did in his first 18 months.

Because that's when Democrats had control of the house. Republicans are always more interested in partisanship than doing what's best for America. That's why they held hostage the legislation that would help middle class americans unless the rich got the Bush tax cuts extended as well.
This election is a resounding defeat for republicans. When we appoint properly liberal SC judges and enact filibuster reform in the next 4 years, they'll be done. There's only so much gerrymandering they can do to keep control of the House when all the demographics are working against them.


RE: Let's be honest
By Ammohunt on 11/13/2012 3:22:01 PM , Rating: 2
last time i checked Harry Reids and Obama's idea of bi-partisanship is bend over and agree with everything we propose the word compromise isn't even in their vocabulary. This country cannot exist in any semblance of its prior glory under the boot of the Socialist party in power. What you and the rest of the leftists are creating in government is tantamount to a banana republic with a super rich ruling class and everyone else dirt poor.

Need proof? the ruling class and their friends are exempt from Obamacare while the rest of us are stuck with it. Debt = GDP and they want to spend more money in stimulus but first they have to raise the debt ceiling which means Debt > GDP throw tax increases on the wealth creators and watch that skyrocket!. They have taken away nearly all incentive to be successful capping success at <=$250K. Why would anyone work their ass off to pay taxes only to be forced to pay for those that that don't pay taxes and collect welfare? This is the fundamental problem with your large scale tribalism(Socialism).

The fact of the matter is that partisanship has expired the differences are too great; this is a fundamental disagreement in the future direction of our republic that eventually leads to violence confrontation(lets hope not). You in your bubble seem to think the first world is somehow immune to Economic depressions, social unrest, mass starvation..civil war. You are mistaken you and others like you have brought the potential of all of that upon us.


RE: Let's be honest
By MadMan007 on 11/13/2012 4:36:31 PM , Rating: 2
Holy cow you're right! NO ONE EVER WANTED TO MAKE, NOR DID MAKE, OVER $250k BEFORE THE BUSH TAX CUTS!! /sarcasm


RE: Let's be honest
By Alexvrb on 11/14/2012 2:04:36 AM , Rating: 2
Samus I know you're a diehard liberal, but you made my BS detector explode. Really, he wanted to give the military trillions of dollars? He wanted to keep military spending at current levels. If Obama gets his way, military spending will drop by about a trillion. Thankfully there's a lot of resistance to that notion. He says we don't need as many soldiers... which is fine. But you're not cutting a trillion dollars out of grunt pay. That is going to require the military to murder a bunch of programs and make some damaging cuts. We've already got a lot of outdated platforms in need of replacement, oh well time to cut the budget so we can't even repair what we've got.

Romney was going to cut education? Another BS scare tactic. Just like how he was going to somehow outlaw abortion and put women back in the kitchen. Cut medicare? Ridiculous. Infrastructure - ROADS? WATER? Do you actually listen to yourself? Why do you honestly think he would immediately set about committing political suicide?

Maybe people "didn't trust him". But that's because they listened to nonsensical claims about all the things Romney was going to do. Meanwhile nobody gives a damn about the increasing debt burden we're prepping to dump all over the next generation. It was a big issue when Obama was running for office last time, but suddenly it's not so important. Wait, that's everything about that character named Barack. His backstory and everything he ran on were all written by other men. Dreams from his Imaginary Father and all that.

I don't trust Obama one bit. I've seen what he does when Congress says no. He just circumvents the whole system via executive order, EPA, "treaty", etc. ACTA anyone? Can't get SOPA/PIPA through Congress, just call it a treaty - the word has been redefined enough over the years to fit the need. Then he talks out of one side of his mouth about the 2nd Amendment, but preps to further slant the Supreme Court with more Activist "Judges" (politicians) who wipe their butts with the Constitution - the White House supplies them with toilet paper with the Constitution printed on it.

Yeah, Romney was far from flawless. But I'd even take less-than-desireable Romney over what we have now - a self-hating American. JFK knew who the enemy was and cared enough to talk about it. Obama doesn't care - he's willing to sacrifice an Embassy or two if it means he can sweep terrorism under the rug. Oh I'm sorry, that phrase is banned. Islamic extremists, spontaneous demonstration. Forgot the language memos.


RE: Let's be honest
By corduroygt on 11/14/2012 8:12:59 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Samus I know you're a diehard liberal, but you made my BS detector explode. Really, he wanted to give the military trillions of dollars? He wanted to keep military spending at current levels.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements...
quote:
Just like how he was going to somehow outlaw abortion and put women back in the kitchen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOrIED-l5aY
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements...

When people ask "did the rape guy win?" and you reply "which one?" your party's definitely NOT for women's rights. (Both rape guys lost)


RE: Let's be honest
By Alexvrb on 11/15/2012 12:40:25 AM , Rating: 2
In the same debates that politifact is quoting, Romney said that he wanted to maintain current military spending levels. Obama was counting on the automatic reductions and other cuts for his "base line" military spending.

Regarding women's rights, what rights was Romney going to take away, again? How is free subsidized contraception a woman's right? Or a man's right for that matter. Buy your own damn condoms and birth control pills.


RE: Let's be honest
By corduroygt on 11/15/2012 9:25:39 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
In the same debates that politifact is quoting, Romney said that he wanted to maintain current military spending levels. Obama was counting on the automatic reductions and other cuts for his "base line" military spending.

Which is more than what the armed forces agreed to under Obama. Of course we will never know what Romney's economic plan was now, will we?

quote:
Regarding women's rights, what rights was Romney going to take away, again?

Overturning Roe vs. Wade, which thankfully will NEVER happen now, would let the backwater south states to take away a women's right to do what she wants with her body. "Just move to another state" is not a valid excuse like our resident moron FITCamaro says, it looks like you folk will have to move to a different country if you don't like our new direction...


RE: Let's be honest
By damianrobertjones on 11/14/2012 5:58:50 AM , Rating: 1
It's almost as if he was always going to fail


RE: Let's be honest
By inperfectdarkness on 11/14/2012 2:30:14 AM , Rating: 2
The country doesn't like anyone these two parties put forth. Presidential elections have been about the lesser of two evils since at least Clinton's 2nd term. The GOP should have easily won by a landslide--and they could have. But it would have required putting forward a candidate with progressive views including:

Pro-Choice
Pro-Net-Neutrality
Pro-Homosexual Marriage

Obama handed the GOP a golden opportunity on a silver platter--and the GOP could barely manage to do better than the last time around (remember Palin? *Shudder*)

If you want to see REAL progress in US politics, let's have people vote for a party in the primary election, and a candidate in the secondary election (essentially the opposite of how it is now). Then, once Americans choose the Libertarian party by a landslide in the next election--only candidates who were already registered with the libertarian party can be put on the balot for the secondary election to choose the president. 2nd place in votes gets VEEP.

...Of course, I'm purely guessing about the Libertarians, though I suspect that that's who a lot of people would vote for if the party had more than a snowball's chance in hades.


RE: Let's be honest
By maugrimtr on 11/14/2012 10:12:02 AM , Rating: 1
It's going to continue to be the same old story. Take sensible conservative policies, add a dash of religious rhetoric that belongs in the Dark Ages, refer to Science being the Devil, pin all the evils on the world on Socialists, lose another Presidential Election...

Somebody needs to extract the sound policies from the hysterical bullshit that drives everyone Left.


RE: Let's be honest
By corduroygt on 11/13/2012 2:02:44 PM , Rating: 2
RE: Let's be honest
By Ammohunt on 11/13/2012 2:16:03 PM , Rating: 2
Your graphic illustrates perfectly where the left gets its definition of reality...from Universities. Real people define their reality using common sense and first hand life experience. Soon the over educated idiots will get an education in real world hardship.


RE: Let's be honest
By corduroygt on 11/13/2012 2:20:27 PM , Rating: 4
Who needs education and science when you have Jesus and guns, right?


RE: Let's be honest
By FITCamaro on 11/13/12, Rating: 0
RE: Let's be honest
By corduroygt on 11/13/2012 2:38:29 PM , Rating: 2
People who disparage education won't listen to rational arguments, and they don't deserve anything more than trolling.


RE: Let's be honest
By Ammohunt on 11/13/12, Rating: 0
RE: Let's be honest
By corduroygt on 11/13/2012 3:13:29 PM , Rating: 2
You're obviously so smart and superior that you don't realize that just because you can work amongst others with a HS diploma, it obviously must mean all HS graduates can do as well as college graduates. I'm sure you're first in line for promotions and management in front of all those people with advanced degrees.


RE: Let's be honest
By Ammohunt on 11/13/2012 3:24:57 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I'm sure you're first in line for promotions and management in front of all those people with advanced degrees.


Why yes i am since the current CEO also doesn't have a college degree. I don't go into management by choice because for me life is what happens outside of work; my education/work doesn't define who i am.


RE: Let's be honest
By MadMan007 on 11/13/2012 4:28:26 PM , Rating: 2
One example (I know there are more) is proof that it's true for everyone? derp. If you had gone to college you might have taken a course called 'Statistics 101.' Statistically speaking college graduates do earn more over their lifetime.


RE: Let's be honest
By slunkius on 11/14/2012 1:39:36 AM , Rating: 4
and i am example that no education is required. i am earning bazillion of dollars (and euros) while graduating from kondergarden only. therefore schools and universities should be closed, based on my sound evidence.


RE: Let's be honest
By anactoraaron on 11/13/2012 3:04:06 PM , Rating: 2
I can't believe I'm reading this comment and that it's gotten rated up.

You can't balance a checkbook on common sense. Common sense won't cure cancer. Common sense won't fix your car. Common sense won't get a satellite or rocket in space. Common sense doesn't qualify you to run a company or do many other things. You need to be an 'over educated idiot' to do those things. There are many 'real world hardships' that we need these so called 'over educated idiots' to overcome.

I hope I never go into a doctor's office and not see any accreditation whatsoever.
"my leg always hurts doctor!"
Looks like we need to amputate. If your leg is always hurting it would make common sense to just get rid of your hurting leg.

Yeah those damn universities clouding people's judgement from 'real world' experience...

Thanks for that laugh.


RE: Let's be honest
By FITCamaro on 11/13/2012 3:39:39 PM , Rating: 2
You don't need a degree to be smart enough and get the knowledge to do any of those things. You only need a degree because it's near impossible to even get considered for a job doing those things without one.

A buddy of mine did 23 years in the Air Force as an aircraft mechanic on all sorts of aircraft. But he couldn't get a job as a technical writer at Boeing working on the 787 program because he doesn't have an engineering degree. Now you tell me, who's more qualified for that job. Him, who has years of experience working with engines and writing said manuals anyway at his previous job for the C-17, or a college graduate with a degree fresh out of school?


RE: Let's be honest
By corduroygt on 11/13/2012 5:19:23 PM , Rating: 2
According to your Since the free market knows best, and Boeing is a private company, they either did the right thing, or made a big mistake which means your buddy should be snapped up by another company right away.


RE: Let's be honest
By FITCamaro on 11/13/2012 10:51:43 PM , Rating: 2
Because of the free market, they have to do what is necessary to whittle down the candidates. I didn't say it is a bad practice necessarily. It's just unfortunate for those who are highly skilled but don't have a degree. And how does him not getting a job at one place mean he'll instantly get a job elsewhere that would likely have the same requirement for the same type of job?

Not that your posts are exactly heavy on logic so I'll retract that question since it might confuse you.


RE: Let's be honest
By anactoraaron on 11/13/2012 5:33:01 PM , Rating: 2
OK. Valid point. But I would imagine he wasn't just thrown out on a hangar and told to use his common sense. I would bet he was heavily trained AKA EDUCATED on what he would be doing first.

Also please pretty please explain to me why the 4 republicans who drafted a bill that would help get vets re-certified (aka the jobs bill for vets or whatever it was called)for civilian jobs killed the bill just before the election. Was it just that they couldn't let something good happen on Obama's watch? Please explain that one to me. That bill would have put your buddy in a great position and would have eliminated the need for him to have any degree to get that job.


RE: Let's be honest
By FITCamaro on 11/13/2012 10:22:45 PM , Rating: 2
The House passed many such bills. The Senate refused to take any of them up.


RE: Let's be honest
By anactoraaron on 11/14/2012 9:57:24 AM , Rating: 2
for someone who was asking me to google things, all you have to do is google 'veterans jobs bill' and you will see headlines that read "Senate GOP blocks veterans jobs bill" numerous times. Still, you didn't answer me. WHY did the republicans, some of whom were in the senate, KILL the very bill THEY drafted??

No answer?? Right. It doesn't make any sense unless they killed it only so nothing good would have come from the Obama administration. That's really mature and shows you that NEITHER SIDE does what's best for America.


RE: Let's be honest
By FITCamaro on 11/14/2012 11:54:48 AM , Rating: 2
They killed it because just because something sounds all warm and fuzzy doesn't make it a good idea. It didn't do anything but potentially establish more never ending federal jobs. I feel for unemployed veterans but that doesn't mean we should just throw money in the wind and hope people catch it.


RE: Let's be honest
By anactoraaron on 11/14/2012 2:29:03 PM , Rating: 2
OK... then why did they create it to begin with?? They made this legislation only to decide it wasn't a good idea...


RE: Let's be honest
By Ammohunt on 11/13/2012 4:00:11 PM , Rating: 2
Lord knows how we as a species survived before formal education...


RE: Let's be honest
By corduroygt on 11/13/2012 5:25:51 PM , Rating: 3
Pretty badly. Life expectancies were low, getting sick more often meant death and there were plague epidemics, people believed in silly superstition over science and killed millions over it, etc.


RE: Let's be honest
By anactoraaron on 11/13/2012 5:55:38 PM , Rating: 2
I would say we 'survived' but I would also say we didn't 'advance'.


RE: Let's be honest
By FITCamaro on 11/13/2012 10:21:57 PM , Rating: 2
Then along came Marx and Engels who preached only science and killed untold millions more.


RE: Let's be honest
By corduroygt on 11/13/2012 10:36:48 PM , Rating: 1
LOL, tell me how many people did Marx and Engels kill? Millions you say?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Religion is an antiquated concept that was required when science was at its infancy. Now science has progressed enough that most people don't need it. Science has been proven to work countless times over. Why don't you listen to the Hithens & Fry debate where they overwhelmingly proved that the Catholic church had a negative effect in human history, maybe you'll learn something.

Just because daddy and mommy told you there was a god and Jesus was his son every day ever since you were little kid doesn't mean they were right or knew what they were doing.


RE: Let's be honest
By ekv on 11/14/2012 2:08:51 AM , Rating: 2
Is that all you've got? Really?

Your stroke is mere derision, and that is the sum total of your higher education. Shameful.

I pity you. Especially since you know you're right and you know what you're doing ... more so than all the skeptics. But isn't that laughable.


RE: Let's be honest
By FITCamaro on 11/13/2012 10:48:46 PM , Rating: 2
Yes because those people in New York City who are stupid enough to elect a mayor that would regulate salt and soda and try to have a marathon 3 days after a hurricane are who the rest of the country needs to emulate.


RE: Let's be honest
By GotThumbs on 11/13/2012 12:48:02 PM , Rating: 3
Yes, If your refering to that fact that as a proven successful business man. He is far better qualified than Obama to turn around this country, while NOT putting the burdon only on those that are self-sufficent.

On another interesting news...and of course after the election:
Social Security Wage Base Increases to $113,700 in 2013
The Social Security Administration announced the 2013 Social Security wage base will be $113,700, an increase of $3,600 from the 2012 wage base. As in prior years, there is no limit to the wages subject to the Medicare tax; therefore, all covered wages are still subject to the 1.45 percent tax. Wages paid in excess of $200,000 in 2013 will be subject to an extra 0.9 percent Medicare tax that will only be withheld from employees' wages. Employers won't pay the extra tax.

The FICA tax rate, which is the combined Social Security tax rate of 6.2 percent and the Medicare tax rate of 1.45 percent, will be 7.65 percent for 2013 up to the Social Security wage base. The maximum Social Security tax employees and employers will each pay in 2013 is $7,049.40. This will be an increase of $2,425.20 for employees and $223.20 for employers. Note that the 2012 FICA tax rate is 4.2 percent for employees and 6.2 percent for employers under the Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act of 2012, and that the rate is scheduled to be 6.2 percent for both employees and employers in 2013.

Now all the Obama supporters will see that they too will be required to contribute and not just put the burdon onto others.

Even thouse making 80,000 + are considered wealthy next to the current average family income. You too will be pulled into the "Millionaires Tax" movement that is purposed on those making 250,000 a year. Seems the value of a dollar is such that a million dollars US is really only worth 250,000.

Now we see how Obama really plans his wealth-redistribution and who it will really include.

I think we need to welcome the cliff. Let all the tax rates expire and all the cuts happen. Lets shock this nation into the reality of what the truly knowledgeable have known for sometime. Talk is just talk and when reality hits....you realize the lies you have been told. The poor don't want anyone to tell them the truth...and Obama knew it and was re-elected because it was easy to play the blame game. Four more years people. Better tighten your belts even more now. The Sh_t is really going to hit the fan now.

Best wishes for the strongest and best prepared.

Look at how a Staten Island neighborhood (led by a ex-marine) came together and organized themselves without the help of FEMA or the Red-cross and how they're self-reliance and can-do attitude surfaced. Now think back to Katrina and think of the examples where self-reliance failed to surface. The blame was put squarely on others rather than looking inward on the failures of a society. Some people can't look in the mirror and face facts about themselves as an individual, some can and understand they can take responsibility and make things happen as a team.


RE: Let's be honest
By Ammohunt on 11/13/2012 1:51:14 PM , Rating: 1
I am rich?(just north of $80k) well crap don't tell the wife! I feel the same the fact is Obama is not the right person to tackle these issues so i will guarantee what you want to happen; go over the fiscal cliff) will out of sheer ineptitude on his part. We plan to take precautions such as food stockpile and other provisions along with alternate methods of heating our house. Most of the ignorant college age kids that re-elected Obama no nothing of economics and how quickly something as simple as hyper-inflation can starve you to death. Hard times are coming.


RE: Let's be honest
By Samus on 11/13/2012 1:52:37 PM , Rating: 2
The Government isn't meant to be run like a corporation. A corporation is all about profit. A Government adopting corporate principles would allow it to discriminate against its citizens.

Mitt Romney was going to do exactly that, starting with the aging population.

-Much like corporations lay off the older employees (because they cost too much to insure, etc etc) Mitt Romney wanted to stop taking care of them.

This is why he lost the key states where there are large elderly populations.

-Much like corporations discriminate against women (because they cost more to insure, the 'inconvenience' of working arount maternity, etc etc) Mitt Romney had pretty vocal views on how he planned to restrict their rights.

This is why he lost the female vote.

-Much like corporations discriminate against minorities (I don't go into details, they are pretty obvious if you've worked in a multiracial environment) Mitt Romney planned on dismantling affirmative action, cut funding to social services such as food stamps (one of the few good social services programs I approve of) and raise the price of education by cutting grants.

This is why he lost the black and hispanic vote by ridiculous proportions (96% black, 89% hispanic, 85% asian voted for Barack Obama)

The guy was so out of touch with running a government it took complete morons to vote for him, which appearantly is half the country. But we already knew that from the Bush-era, who somehow got elected TWICE. I'd say even though Barack Obama isn't on the ball, he's doing a pretty good job cleaning up what Bush, and the people who elected him into office, have left the President with.


RE: Let's be honest
By ClownPuncher on 11/13/2012 2:03:07 PM , Rating: 3
I never understood the argument "He can run a business, therefore he can run a country". He can't even run a campaign. The popular vote was so close just because most of us don't like Obama.


RE: Let's be honest
By FITCamaro on 11/13/2012 2:52:40 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
-Much like corporations lay off the older employees (because they cost too much to insure, etc etc) Mitt Romney wanted to stop taking care of them.


Utter horse shit. You have nothing to base that on. What because they wanted to reform Social Security and Medicare so they survive, that's "stop taking care of them"? BS. How about the billions cut from Medicare payments under Obamacare? Yeah that won't impact the elderly at all. Nevermind that Medicare will be depleted inside this decade.

quote:
-Much like corporations discriminate against women (because they cost more to insure, the 'inconvenience' of working arount maternity, etc etc) Mitt Romney had pretty vocal views on how he planned to restrict their rights.


Again. Prove it. Show me anything where he said he wanted to restrict their rights. What? Repeal Roe vs Wade you say? Let's just completely ignore that Roe vs Wade did not legalize abortion. It made it illegal for states not to ban it (Clear violation of the 10th amendment). If Roe vs Wade was repealed, states would have that option again. Don't like it? Move to a different state or go to a state that does allow an abortion. Simple. Freedom. What he didn't want to REQUIRE that health care plans covered contraception and maternity care? Yeah that sure robs them of their "rights". Why the hell should ALL women (and all people really) have to pay for those things in their health care plans? Not all women want to be on birth control. Not all women want to have children so why should they pay for maternity care. Obamacare stripped women of their choice in what they wanted to pay for and what they didn't.

quote:
Much like corporations discriminate against minorities (I don't go into details, they are pretty obvious if you've worked in a multiracial environment) Mitt Romney planned on dismantling affirmative action, cut funding to social services such as food stamps (one of the few good social services programs I approve of) and raise the price of education by cutting grants.


Just laying it on thick huh. While I would love it if all of that were true, it wasn't. And how is affirmative action anything but racist in itself? It says that skin color matters in getting a job and into college. Why should a less deserving black/hispanic person get a job or into college vs a more deserving white person simply because there is an "unbalance"? Does racism exist still? Yes. Will laws ever fix it? No.

"A society that puts equality before freedom will get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both." ~Milton Friedman


RE: Let's be honest
By corduroygt on 11/13/2012 2:54:36 PM , Rating: 1
It's a pleasure to watch your unraveling...mmm so salty.
SUCK IT, your ilk will NEVER control America again...


RE: Let's be honest
By FITCamaro on 11/13/2012 3:40:23 PM , Rating: 3
And y'all will only control it until you drive it into the ground.

Then you'll come for what the rest of us have. And we'll shoot you.


RE: Let's be honest
By corduroygt on 11/13/2012 5:12:08 PM , Rating: 2
Bush/Cheney drove it to the ground, we've just begun the long arduous process to build it back up.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/07/24/opi...


RE: Let's be honest
By Nfarce on 11/13/2012 10:23:09 PM , Rating: 2
Democrats led by Nanny Pelosi and Harry Reid took over Congress with a super majority after the 2006 mid-terms. Or did you forget about that? Congress sets the budgets and spending, not the president. Or did you forget about that?

Besides, it's not like the last three years that Harry Reid's Democrat-controlled Senate has passed a budget or anything, right?


RE: Let's be honest
By corduroygt on 11/13/2012 10:31:14 PM , Rating: 1
Numbers don't lie...Democrat presidents have been overwhelmingly better for this country in the last 40 years.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TbYDJirUcG8/UFvx6HI_KjI/...
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-AJ6J5Nl8ebc/UH_tKIFwnlI/...


RE: Let's be honest
By FITCamaro on 11/13/2012 10:18:42 PM , Rating: 2
And yes the country sure needs less of my "ilk".

Self reliant, responsible, productive people who don't live to see what else they can get from the government and just want to be left alone. How horrible of people those like me are.

Yeah you're right. We need more welfare rats. We need more people on food stamps. We need more 20-somethings who sit outside for months whining because some people have worked hard and succeeded while they haven't. We need more people protesting outside banks to forgive the $100k+ in student loans they stupidly took out for masters degrees in English or Creative Writing at top tier schools (forgetting that they'll never find a job that will allow for repayment of those loans). We need more people agreeing with Rachel Madcow that white people who believe in limited government are all racists (except those like her who admit it of course). And the blacks, hispanics, and asians who do are just sellouts to the white man.

We need more of that "ilk". That'll get the country unified and back on track, economically and socially.


RE: Let's be honest
By corduroygt on 11/13/2012 10:27:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Self reliant, responsible, productive people who don't live to see what else they can get from the government and just want to be left alone. How horrible of people those like me are.

The country needs less religious people (zero is best), less ignorant people, and less racist people like yourself. It needs less people that think it should be illegal to smoke marijuana while drinking is legal. It needs less people who think gays should not be able to get married. It needs less people who think only the deserve to be "left alone" by the government whereas the government should make sure women can't control their bodies.

Guess what, states with the most educated people voted that way. Ignorant racists vote red.


RE: Let's be honest
By MadMan007 on 11/13/2012 4:33:42 PM , Rating: 2
Woohoo, famous quotes to support what we already think! FYI, Friedman was for a negative income tax (ie: direct redistribution handout) for low wage earners.


RE: Let's be honest
By anactoraaron on 11/13/2012 6:04:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
How about the billions cut from Medicare payments under Obamacare? Yeah that won't impact the elderly at all.


I'm so sick of this idiotic statement. That 'cut' was to the providers NOT to the elderly on medicare. That 700 billion blah blah blah cut to medicare... was to enforce and detect fraud better (to stop fraudulent payouts) and to re-negotiate benefit payouts to the providers, who were often charging more for routine services to those on medicare (aka doctors office visit, labs, etc).

Not to mention that same 700 billion cut was in Paul Ryan's budget proposal. That was a classic case of the government overspending on something and both sides wanted to trim that fat! But sure demonize obamacare for THAT... and not the mandate... sheesh


RE: Let's be honest
By anactoraaron on 11/13/2012 6:38:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why should a less deserving black/hispanic person get a job or into college vs a more deserving white person simply because there is an "unbalance"?


Well it could have something to do with the fact that when black people were brought here they were slaves and couldn't even speak our language. They weren't allowed to communicate with each other, go to school, learn anything we were teaching whites. Some time passed. Then with segregation they could have schools and learn, but weren't given anything that could be used to actually educate anyone. More time passed. Now after segregation when we are all 'equal' schools don't have the time to help everyone who was PURPOSEFULLY HELD BACK from an education for CENTURIES and give them the attention and education they need to survive in today's world.

Tell me, if you decided to start a nascar team TODAY would you be able to IMMEDIATELY compete with say... the #2 or the #48??? NO?? Why not? Oh yeah! THEY HAVE HAD A HEAD START AND HAVE AN ADVANTAGE!! SAME THING FOR AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IN EDUCATION!! This is in place to bring people up to speed who were held back intentionally!! Why can't you wrap your head around that?

Sir, your ignorance is sticking out. Please push it back in.


RE: Let's be honest
By FITCamaro on 11/13/2012 10:11:55 PM , Rating: 2
So future generations have to pay for the sins of their forefathers into eternity? Blacks and hispanics have the same opportunity to succeed today as anyone else. Asians were resented too, they don't seem to have any issues. Why? Because personal success is ingrained in their culture. In black culture, idiots like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have ingrained a culture of dependence. Along the very argument you make. "We were oppressed so they owe us something".

quote:
Tell me, if you decided to start a nascar team TODAY would you be able to IMMEDIATELY compete with say... the #2 or the #48??? NO?? Why not? Oh yeah! THEY HAVE HAD A HEAD START AND HAVE AN ADVANTAGE!!


Tell that to Toyota. Nearly all the cars are the same to begin with. It comes down to the driver. If you could hire away a good driver from another team, you'd absolutely be competitive soon.

Your argument is also invalid to start with. We're not talking about a racing team. We're talking about individuals. Individuals who grow up in the same schools as the rest of kids.

My Congressman would be offended by your statement. He is black, grew up in a single parent home, in a poor part of town, in a public school, and he now is a private business owner and a US Congressman. Why? Because he was taught self responsibility and to work hard.


RE: Let's be honest
By anactoraaron on 11/14/2012 10:42:21 AM , Rating: 3
WOW just wow. Great job choosing to completely miss my point.

quote:
My Congressman would be offended by your statement. He is black, grew up in a single parent home, in a poor part of town, in a public school, and he now is a private business owner and a US Congressman. Why? Because he was taught self responsibility and to work hard.


LOOK SEE!! One of them got somewhere! There's no need for affirmative action anymore! I highly doubt you speak for this person in any capacity.

quote:
Tell that to Toyota. Nearly all the cars are the same to begin with. It comes down to the driver. If you could hire away a good driver from another team, you'd absolutely be competitive soon.


Ah ok. So the logic there is that all of the cars are equal, but the drivers are not. Thanks for making my point for me. Sure almost all of the schools are equal, but the STUDENTS are not. Some students have parents that have had the opportunity (can't stress that word enough) to go to school for the past however many generations and have learned things to pass on to their kids. Just as a driver can't be good overnight, usually the best drivers are the ones whose family has been in racing for generations! Imagine being a driver that used to be not allowed to race only because of the color of their skin! Wouldn't you say they were at a disadvantage!?

I said "if you started a race team" not if a car company decided to make race cars. Let's look at a few of Nascar's affirmative action drivers.... you know them, they are the ones that are first to go a lap down, and are basically lap traffic from the moment the green flag drops... kind of like minorities in school.

Jason White
Josh Wise
Scott Speed
Reed Sorenson
Regan Smith- HEY ONE OF THEM WON!! JUST LIKE YOUR CONGRESSMAN!! GUESS WE DON'T NEED THIS PROGRAM ANYMORE!! /s


RE: Let's be honest
By anactoraaron on 11/14/2012 10:51:37 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
So future generations have to pay for the sins of their forefathers into eternity?


Dangerous thinking, this is.

Why not say
"How long are us Germans going to have to pay for the sins of this Holocaust thing" "See? Jews are fine, they have their own country, their own leaders, they aren't being ruthlessly slaughtered and are allowed to reproduce..."

I would only wish that the sons of the fathers who committed these terrible acts would seek forgiveness for their father's actions and do everything they can to make a wrong right - NO MATTER HOW LONG IT TAKES.


RE: Let's be honest
By FITCamaro on 11/14/2012 12:13:39 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I would only wish that the sons of the fathers who committed these terrible acts would seek forgiveness for their father's actions and do everything they can to make a wrong right - NO MATTER HOW LONG IT TAKES.


Of course you would. To you the debt will never be repaid.

I don't hold Germans today accountable for what happened under Hitler. Those who committed those unspeakable acts are mostly dead now. The only thing that is important is to remember that it happened and why its wrong so that it never happens again. Germany was harshly punished by the world for its actions and that has now ended. Yes Germany still pays reparations for medical bills to those who survived the Holocaust but that will end when those people pass away. But if you can find me a living slave in America you'll have also discovered the world's oldest person.

Yes the US still has troops in Germany but that's not because the world is still fearful of Germany rising up to start another world war. Those bases were established to stop the threat from the Soviet Union back in the day and now exist to provide as first responders for any military action needed in that area of the world. My cousin is there right now.

According to you, the families of murderers and rapists are forever indebted to the family of the loved one who was killed or raped. And you also just admitted that essentially black people are justified for wanting the government to take care of them because of slavery in the past. We did make a wrong right by ending slavery and ending segregation.

If my father does something terrible, in no way am I responsible for his actions nor will I give whoever was involved anything for restitution. Germany signed an agreement to care for those it harmed. If Germans today don't like that, they can take it up with their government.


RE: Let's be honest
By anactoraaron on 11/14/2012 2:57:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
To you the debt will never be repaid.


whoa whoa whoa.. I never said anything of the sort. Great way to engage in polarized conversation, stereotype one person's beliefs with what kind of person you think they are. Reminds me of why the Republican party cost Mitt Romney the election (there's just so many people who want stuff and they think Obama will give them stuff). That kind of attitude towards people tends to piss them off. If you piss off enough people by lumping them together to what you say their ideals are - regardless how they actually are or how they individually differ - it will undoubtedly cost your party votes. And just because someone is 'opposed' to your opinion on one matter doesn't then give you the right to say what 'they must obviously be thinking'. Nothing could be further from the truth in this discussion. I do in fact see an eventual need to end affirmative action. Is it too hard for your brain to digest the concept that just because I think similarly to that dreaded 'liberal agenda' on this issue then 'I'm just one of those kind of people and this is how I obviously feel about it'?

It reminds me of that famous 47% comment. It's soooo much easier for simple people to lump a group of people together to focus your discontent at (a la liberals and conservatives) than separate them into individuals with different backgrounds with differing ideology. Why can't people be liberal about certain things and conservative about others? Why must one and only one ideal be the way to think about things?

In this case, there's only been a level playing field in education for realistically ONE generation (about 30 years or so), and that was with the help of affirmative action! Considering most white folks have had about 10 generations of preferential treatment when it comes to education there's still things that are needed to level the playing field to 'make up' for what was done to other folks in the past. Think about it... how many minority families that have lived here for the past 200 years can say 'My dad was a doctor, his dad was a doctor, and so on for X generations - that's right, NONE - but I'm sure that there's white folks that can say that! I'm not saying affirmative action should be around forever, but we shouldn't get rid of it right now just because a few black people have been able to be successful through education.

Couldn't help but notice you didn't respond to the Nascar comment. Nothing to say on that analogy then?


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