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Ballmer and Gates recognized that Microsoft needs to be more united internally across different divisions, and that change would be difficult with Sinofsky around

It turns out that Microsoft software head Steven Sinofsky's departure wasn't so sudden, and none other than Bill Gates was onboard with the decision. 

Sinofsky, former president of Microsoft's Windows and Windows Live division, announced that he was leaving the company yesterday after a little over 23 years with the tech giant. It was reported as a "sudden" move that no one expected, but new details behind the departure show that the decision was contemplated for a while and even backed by Microsoft co-founder and chairman Bill Gates. 

While Sinofsky was seen as a brilliant figure at Microsoft, his downfall was that he didn't get along with others within the company. He was notorious for picking fights with other executives, including current CEO Steve Ballmer, and even pushed former executives like chief software architect Ray Ozzie to quit. 

Sinofsky was key to the development of Windows 8, which was released October 26 and features an entirely new look and feel from the traditional Windows experience. However, Ballmer recognized that Microsoft needs to be more united internally across different divisions, and that change would be difficult with Sinofsky around. 

Typically, in other company disputes, Ballmer and Gates would back up Sinofsky. But that doesn't seem to be the case this time around. Microsoft is looking to change and integrate teams across various units within the company. Ballmer saw Sinofsky as an obstacle to getting to that point, and with Gates' support, decided to part ways with Sinofsky. 

All Things Digital heard rumors about Sinofsky's departure over the last few weeks, both from inside and outside of Microsoft's walls. 

While the decision to part ways with Sinofsky was a good thing in terms of moving Microsoft in a new direction, it also means the loss of a great mind that had a strong handle on Microsoft's software and innovation. Sinofsky may not be a team player, but he was great at what he did. Losing that sort of creativity and completely revamping the inner dynamic of how Microsoft's teams work will not be an easy task. 

Julie Larson-Green, who has worked with Microsoft since 1993, is replacing Sinofsky. She played a key role in program management, and UI design/research for Windows 7 and Windows 8. So we'll see if Larson-Green can stand up to the challenge and fill Sinofsky's shoes while complying with the new integrated direction Microsoft is looking to take. 

Sinofsky's leave is eerily similar to that of the recently departed Scott Forstall, Apple's former VP of iOS Software. Forstall was let go in late October after 15 years with Apple due to recent issues with iOS 6's maps and his tendency to not get along with other Apple execs. 

Source: AllThingsD



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By stm1185 on 11/13/2012 3:08:50 PM , Rating: 5
They could make a version of Linux with a UI that is not horrible and can actually be used as a Windows/OSX replacement.




By Nortel on 11/13/2012 3:53:49 PM , Rating: 1
A good GUI for Linux you say? Good thing Ubuntu + Gnome or KDE has been around for years to fit the bill. OSX is for the masses, prepackaged and ready to go and is arguably the best looking Unix (BSD) out there.


By stm1185 on 11/13/2012 7:40:51 PM , Rating: 2
Gnome and KDE... lets see ugly, poorly laid out, more then likely have you going to a command line to get something done... and so on and so forth.

Linux hasn't even gotten to the point that it is worth using over Windows XP!

These guys with their backgrounds, they could do that.


By vignyan on 11/14/2012 12:11:34 PM , Rating: 2
Try cinnamon on Ubuntu. It is as good as win7. Unified search, non confusing UI.


By augiem on 11/14/2012 6:18:12 PM , Rating: 2
Not true. Yes for launching apps. HELL NO for any system config. Windows is 1,000 times deeper than any Linux GUI. That's Linux's major failing in my mind. It needs a GUI that gives you as much power over the nuts and bolts as Windows does. The problem is, that would take millions and millions to develop.


By Xplorer4x4 on 11/14/2012 9:31:43 PM , Rating: 2
Like what? I am using the latest Kubuntu with the latest KDE and for system config, I have never had to drop to the cli. I do drop to cli for certain tasks purely out of preference and/or convenience, but never for system config that I can recall.


By augiem on 11/15/2012 5:51:05 PM , Rating: 2
Like much of Administrative Tools and whole lot of Control Panel. MS even gives you GUI tools for the deepest level stuff like Regedit. Sure, the basics are there in all the linux distros, and some tools can be added with downloads if you even know what to look for, but Windows just goes so, so much deeper.


By FastEddieLB on 11/21/2012 2:29:23 PM , Rating: 2
I've been able to alter my system configs just fine with Cinnamon on Linux Mint, but then again I don't exactly have a great deal of tweaking that needs to be done so take from that what you will.


By Wolfpup on 11/15/2012 1:48:27 PM , Rating: 3
IMO Linux needs ONE GUI, needs the ability to install programs similarly to Windows or even OS X, i.e. not through some company sponsored pakage manager or something-it's a *PC* we want control over it ourselves.

Right now...there's 9 billion distributions, at last 2 major interfaces, no normal method of installing programs, no official (legal?) DVD support and I guess no Blu Ray support at all, worse compatibility etc...

I'm a HUGE fan of open source software and have used Firefox (and before that Mozilla) since the 0.x mozilla beta days, but...Windows is awesome, and Linux is confusing mess, even for power users like me.


By FastEddieLB on 11/21/2012 2:31:47 PM , Rating: 2
You should take a look at Cinnamon (comes with Linux Mint, also available for Ubuntu) it's a very Windows-like desktop.


By BifurcatedBoat on 11/13/2012 8:42:05 PM , Rating: 5
No, none of the existing GUIs fit the bill, unfortunately.

Just try explaining to Grandma how to install a driver for a new piece of hardware she just plugged into her computer.

When some software fails to install, explain the process of how you go about figuring out what packages are missing and then acquiring them.

Until you can do everything that an average user can do in Windows in Linux without using the commandline, it will not fit the bill.

I actually do think it is great that you can do all of the things that you can do from the commandline. I also think it's great that you can compile the operating system from source code if you want to, and tinker with customizing it, if you want to. But you simply cannot expect the average user to have to learn how to do that.

Some simply don't have the aptitude, but even among those who do, most people have other aspects of their lives that are more important and pressing than trying to get their computers to work on a basic level.

I'm a software developer, so I understand a lot of the concepts in Linux that would be completely foreign to an average user who doesn't understand how software is made. But even for me, I don't want to have to dig into advanced configuration up front. I want the OS to just work, and have a nice smooth learning curve to ease my way into it, having a working machine with no driver or software installation problems along the way.


By aegisofrime on 11/13/2012 9:54:01 PM , Rating: 5
I totally agree.

I installed Ubuntu recently because I wanted to dive into compiling Cyanogenmod for my phone.

I had to do everything from the command-line. It doesn't help that there seems to be an irrational hatred for GUIs from the Linux community. From my POV, a GUI can do everything a command-line can you; A GUI can expose commonly used flags and parameters, and offer a text-field for more obscure options.

When I brought this up to the XDA forums they responded with "This is how it has always been done" then proceeded to call me a noob and use search. :/


By cyberguyz on 11/22/2012 6:14:31 AM , Rating: 1
Why should grandma even have to know a terminal exists? Why should grandma need me to explain how to set up drivers for that new wutzit video card she will be playing Diablo 3 on (oh wait, you can't play that on Linux... my bad)? In the Windows world she pops in the viddy card and windows will search for a driver for it. If it cant find one it asks her for the driver CD/DVD and continues once she pops it in.

Does Linux do that? Hell I couldn't even get some linux distros to understand my 2x brand new ATI GT 7970 viddy cards in crossfire and Asus Xonar sound card. Lol, heaven forbid you run an older distro a year or two old. Try and get Grandma to do that!! Talk her thru it? Yeah, right. (grandma loves playing Skyrim on crossfire & 5.1 THX sound)

By the time you can play her Diablo 3 on linux, I'm afraid grandma will be long gone...

Back on topic: So Sinofski is responsible for that travesty called Windows 8 that he foisted off on us? If I were Balmer I would have turfed that jackass before he could do his damage.

In order to make Windows 8 work the way I want it to, I have to use customization programs to get that "Metro" interface out of my face. Still can't do anything to get the Aero theme + 'blur' transparency back. The current theme with its bland graphics sux donkey balls.


By Argon18 on 11/14/2012 12:40:51 PM , Rating: 2
That's the thing - you don't need to explain to Grandma how to install a hardware driver under Linux. Hardware, for the most part, just works. Linux is different from OSX or Windows in that it employs a monolithic kernel - all the hardware drivers are in the kernel, typically as loadable modules. Even obsolete hardware that only works under Win9x, is plug-n-play on Linux. I've been using Linux for many years, and I can't even remember the last time I had to manually install a hardware driver for anything.

That said, I agree with some of the other comments, that the current Linux GUI's suck. They took the Windows Eight approach i.e. make the GUI radically different for no good reason at all. And it sucks. I use RHEL, which still uses the older Gnome 2 interface - which is very very nice IMO, rock solid stable, and very logical and intuitive. Unfortunately, Red Hat seems to be the only distro vendor that still uses Gnome 2.

Maybe with the new Wayland stuff, they'll clean up their act and get back to a solid usable GUI, instead of trendy eye-candy that looks "cool" but is clunky to use.


By FastEddieLB on 11/21/2012 2:38:52 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Unfortunately, Red Hat seems to be the only distro vendor that still uses Gnome 2.


Linux Mint brings you the MATE desktop which is a clone of Gnome 2. If you want to try something other than Red Hat check out Linux Mint+MATE.


By andrewaggb on 11/29/2012 4:09:19 PM , Rating: 2
Mostly just video card drivers that I have to manually jack around with.

I think linux has a bunch of major problems that are all really the same problem.

They need, 1 package format
They need at most 1 production kernel/year (it can have updates, but no api changes) and modules should be compatible across distros running that kernel.

Likewise GCC/libc/blah need to be frozen for at least a year from breaking api changes.
They need 1 audio subsystem
Configuration should be handled the same in different distro's.

If they could do these things (and they could), then we'd have binary compatibility between distributions. Stuff like proprietary software and drivers would work better. People would make more closed source apps for linux. And things would be better.

This is basically what redhat does. They make a stable release, maintain compatibility for years, backport new drivers, and then when the time is right, make a new release and maintain that for a few years. If all the main distro's could agree on a common core package set, things would be better. You could still have a somewhat custom experience (like android does), but maintain compatibility.


By tecknurd on 11/14/2012 5:53:01 PM , Rating: 2
Windows does have its moments of faults. Install a program like Adobe Flash plug-in can be a nightmare. Computer manufactures usually have it installed, but I found cases that it does not work. So it is best to uninstall it and download it from a reputable source. Well this not easy to do over the phone. Also using remote desktop can work, but that may not be easy to get it to work. The end result is best to work on that system in person to fix the issue.

There are other times that installing Windows programs are foreign. Why does a program need "something .NET" to be installed first and then the main program. Windows can be just as foreign to install programs like it is in Linux. I am a semi-software developer, I know why .NET is required for some programs, but other people does not.

Pre-compiled distributions are the worst way to try Linux. These type of distributions make sure the user does it the distribution way, but it may not be the correct way or safer way. There is no way to be certain that you are downloading a package from a reputable source. I have used Ubuntu and Linux Mint which show the worst of Linux multiple times. They make using proprietary drivers harder to use compared to other distributions like Gentoo. Also they do not correctly manage proprietary OpenGL libraries. They instead over write Xorg OpenGL libraries with the proprietary OpenGL libraries. Gentoo manages OpenGL libraries by separating them, so you can select which ones to use.

When I built my new computer last month and installed Linux, I did not have to configure anything from the command line. I installed Calculate Linux (a ready-made Gentoo based distribution). Setting up my network printer was easy through CUPS web interface. CUPS web interface is far more easier than setting up printers in Windows especially network printers. The time it took me to answer the questions that the Calculate Linux installer asked is about the same time to install Windows. After it booted in Linux, everything worked. I had to adjust sound card settings using alsamixer. There is a GUI program that comes with Xfce that acts like alsamixer, but I did not use that. I did install PulseAudio because I wanted more control for programs handling my sound card. The install process was straight forward from the gentoo-portage.org wiki page for installing and setting up PulseAudio. Then I got back doing what I stop an hour before, so I Linux gives me more time for other things that are non-computer related compared to Windows.

Linux does have GUI tools, but few distributions have it. Mandriva, PCLinuxOS, and Linux Mint has them. I think Linux Mint GUI tools are better because it has a an app-like store for installing applications.


By Spuke on 11/16/2012 11:04:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Just try explaining to Grandma how to install a driver for a new piece of hardware she just plugged into her computer.
How many Grandma's even know that they need or want to install new hardware? LOL!

quote:
Some simply don't have the aptitude, but even among those who do, most people have other aspects of their lives that are more important and pressing than trying to get their computers to work on a basic level.
BAM!!!! Right on target!


By Donkey2008 on 11/29/2012 7:39:42 AM , Rating: 2
"Some simply don't have the aptitude, but even among those who do, most people have other aspects of their lives that are more important and pressing than trying to get their computers to work on a basic level"

AMEN!

I have worked with way too many "tech" people over the years who fail to grasp the concept that computers are not in and of themselves. They are simply tools to get other things done.


By bull2760 on 11/14/2012 10:58:11 AM , Rating: 2
Get over the linux crap already. Linux has more issues than just having a decent UI. For the average user out there it is far to complicated to get hardware to work. It's nut plug and play and driver install is way more complicated than Windows and OSX. Linux is a GEEKS OS and that is it, not designed for the masses.


By FastEddieLB on 11/21/2012 2:50:24 PM , Rating: 1
OSX is a Linux variant. True story.


For Those Win8 Start Button Folks...
By Sazabi19 on 11/13/12, Rating: 0
RE: For Those Win8 Start Button Folks...
By Arsynic on 11/13/12, Rating: -1
RE: For Those Win8 Start Button Folks...
By Sazabi19 on 11/13/2012 3:22:02 PM , Rating: 1
My comment wasn't about him being fired over the Start button. If you read my comment I stated I do get along without my Start button but find it easier (or was the in an email to a coworker?) to have 1. My initial post was to inform people that there is now an alternative if that was the only reason they didn't go to 8. Don't get offended at me trying to point out something helpful to everyone, just makes you look like a butthurt apologist.


By kleinma on 11/13/2012 4:47:30 PM , Rating: 1
Something helpful to everone would be the explaination as to why the old start menu is not needed and has no place in the new version of Windows, unless you want to use the new version of Windows like Windows 95, then it makes sense.


By Arsynic on 11/14/2012 8:57:13 AM , Rating: 1
The fact that you brought it up in an article that had nothing to do with it sure makes it seem that way.


By FastEddieLB on 11/21/2012 2:54:38 PM , Rating: 2
I have dual monitors and running Windows 8 on my system with them was a pain in the ass. The start button being brought back is nice, but it doesn't fix the rest of the problems the UI has with my particular setup.


So basically....
By Apone on 11/14/2012 11:02:35 AM , Rating: 1
Sinofsky had to go because he wasn't a "Yes Man" and instead challenged the status quo? Wow!




RE: So basically....
By TheDoc9 on 11/14/2012 2:35:14 PM , Rating: 1
Yep, and Gates and Ballmer are throwing him under the bus. What did we expect Gates to tell us, that he doesn't agree with the decision? He's not about to create turmoil in the stock.

I feel for this guy, whatever he did he upset the wrong people.


RE: So basically....
By Spuke on 11/16/2012 11:05:47 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I feel for this guy, whatever he did he upset the wrong people.
Sounds like the "wrong people" was everyone in this case. LOL!


Did anyone else...
By FastEddieLB on 11/13/2012 9:02:08 PM , Rating: 2
...pronounce that as "Sin of Sky" in their heads when they saw the article name?




By fteoath64 on 11/15/2012 2:30:33 AM , Rating: 2
"Intel is investing heavily (think gazillions of dollars and bazillions of engineering man hours) in resources to create an Intel host controllers spec in order to speed time to market of the USB 3.0 technology." -- Intel blogger Nick Knupffer"

This is utter non-sense. USB3 is done by the standards body with participating partner companies in which Intel is just one of them.

Intel has been investing in LightPeak/ThunderBolt in huge amounts due to its propreitary nature. The reason why Intel slowed down the release of USB3 on their chipsets was to allow ThunderBolt to get to market first. But high cost and complications (with Apple) slowed down that process. They had to release USB3 eventually becuase AMD and NEC had their USB3 support for some time and making headway in the motherboard market. Sure many hi-end Intel board used NEC chips for USB3 before, go look.




team
By p05esto on 11/13/12, Rating: -1
RE: team
By Boze on 11/13/2012 4:02:01 PM , Rating: 5
Apple's board did fire Steve Jobs because he was a dick and a brutal force to reckon with.

And Steve came back and got his revenge.


RE: team
By kleinma on 11/13/2012 4:44:20 PM , Rating: 5
Steve also fired his cancer through holistic medical treatment.

And cancer came back and got its revenge.


RE: team
By Mizerable on 11/13/2012 4:53:40 PM , Rating: 2
LOL

damn that was a good laugh


RE: team
By subverb on 11/13/2012 7:01:14 PM , Rating: 4
LOL

Best comment I have ever seen on DT


RE: team
By Tony Swash on 11/13/12, Rating: -1
RE: team
By soydios on 11/13/2012 8:05:30 PM , Rating: 2
What decent spelling you have; your parents would be proud.


RE: team
By Landiepete on 11/14/2012 1:55:53 AM , Rating: 1
I'm sorry to have to say I'm with Tony on this one. That cancer comment is so far out of line it's in a different state.

And I'm getting kind of sick of reading comments on the personality of a guy who built a multi billion dollar company from people who have :
a. Probably never met the man in their life
b. Probably never tried to build their own company, let alone succeed.

Granted, I've never met any of you either (I think), but anyone that has an inkling about what goes into building even a two bit company like mine and trying to make it go forward would not make such comments.

There. You can all go back to spitting on TDMFC's grave now.


RE: team
By Cheesew1z69 on 11/14/2012 8:26:53 AM , Rating: 2
Then quit reading? It's not going away.


RE: team
By Spuke on 11/16/2012 11:07:39 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Then quit reading? It's not going away.
LOL!


RE: team
By Digimonkey on 11/14/2012 8:37:02 AM , Rating: 3
What's wrong with it? Is it not true? He didn't say he deserved it, or glad it happened. It wasn't even an attack on his personality.


RE: team
By sprockkets on 11/13/2012 8:32:45 PM , Rating: 2
What, no links to pro Apple analysis sites? Horse it!


RE: team
By inperfectdarkness on 11/14/2012 3:27:14 AM , Rating: 2
Give this man an 11!


RE: team
By wordsworm on 11/14/2012 7:23:55 PM , Rating: 2
If you'd done a little research about his cancer, you'd realize how few people survive it as long as he did. Not all types of cancer survival rates are the same.


RE: team
By fteoath64 on 11/15/2012 2:09:39 AM , Rating: 2
If you have done more research on REAL cancer cures, you will realize that he could have been cured completely and lived to over 80!. The problem was, he did not "see" or listen to people who has known better and depended on the establishment. He died by the fruits of the establishment. Pity. Its his life though, not judging.

Note: All types of cancer are fully curable, it is the finding of the cure that is difficult but they exists. If one looks hard enough, they will find it.


RE: team
By Ramstark on 11/15/2012 2:14:42 PM , Rating: 2
+ 6 PLEASE! LOL


RE: team
By zephyrprime on 11/13/2012 4:06:03 PM , Rating: 2
I agree. People don't understand how corporations work. It's so easy to become a mindless drone. The problem with the mindless drone is that they sink to the lowest common denominator of intelligence. When everyone thinks this way, it is the road to failure.

Unifying business groups is stupid. Look at nature instead. Complex organisms are made up of simpler subcomponents. The unifying point in the company should be at the top (balmer) and at the smaller peaks below it.


RE: team
By ClownPuncher on 11/13/2012 4:33:24 PM , Rating: 3
Some context might help; Sinofsky started a lot of infighting and department vs. department warfare. There was a distinct lack of open communication between different teams due to the backstabbing and ego problems.

If that's what you want in a company man, I don't know what to tell you.


RE: team
By Ringold on 11/13/2012 5:48:35 PM , Rating: 1
Exactly. The OP talked about the need for drones to speak up on occasion, which is true. Problem is, sounded like this guy was not only not a team player, but would verbally blow the head off any drone that raised their hand from time to time.

Plus, despots can survive like Job's if they happen to be unstoppable moneymaking machines. Even peoples dogs have probably got the idea Win8 is a lame duck on the desktop.


RE: team
By Tony Swash on 11/13/12, Rating: 0
RE: team
By ClownPuncher on 11/13/2012 6:13:15 PM , Rating: 2
No, it isn't.


RE: team
By Tony Swash on 11/13/12, Rating: -1
RE: team
By Pirks on 11/14/12, Rating: -1
RE: team
By Angstromm on 11/13/2012 6:07:31 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
People don't understand how corporations work.

You say that as if corporations were somehow a singular entity, as if they all work the same. We bandy terms like “corporate culture,” as if that represented one cultural ideal or reality. Thing is, corporations are a lot more varied than that and there exist multifarious permutations in/to corporate cultureS and an array of management styles, etc.

Re. drones. Yeah, I think you make a viable point here. Folks want to protect their position, especially if the culture doesn’t support active, creative engagement and feedback by all its members, thereby discouraging those that would otherwise speak their mind.

quote:
Unifying business groups is stupid. Look at nature instead. Complex organisms are made up of simpler subcomponents. The unifying point in the company should be at the top (balmer) and at the smaller peaks below it.

Couple of points here:

1. I think you might be speaking in a vacuum; unless you’re involved in the discussions within MS regarding restructuring, you probably are as clueless as you sound.

2. Ever hear of Systems Theory? The strictly binary and hierarchical theoretical structures stipulated by earlier and outmoded forms of ecological studies, biology, the like (and many other disciplines), are to some degree being supplanted by Systems Theory. One of the hallmarks inherent to systems and systems thinking is “feedback.” Without feedback a system cannot self-regulate and will, therefore, parish. Feedback is a loop and not, strictly speaking, hierarchical (I’m not suggesting that hierarchy has no function within a system, it does). So, whether you’re talking about ecosystems, individual organisms or corporations, feedback from the component parts must be “heard” in order that the system continue to function and thrive. There are many business models and structures reflecting this sort of thinking.

Further, to suggest that there’s somehow a one-to-one correspondence between complex organisms being comprised of simpler subcomponents and a unifying principle at, or from, the top is sorta silly. I can see making a metaphorical case here; perhaps that’s what you intended? Not sure. In any event, just because complex organisms are comprised of simpler subcomponents does not then mean that there’s an overarching controlling entity of some sort—there’s just too many ways to conceptualize complex organic structures/organisms, systems theory being only one of them.

There are structural models that blend approaches, that blend nested hierarchies with more systems-based approaches; blend hierarchical, top-down management paradigms with more cooperative, egalitarian approaches. And every permutation imaginable in between. So to suggest, as you seem to, that there’s one approach and one overarching paradigm for corporate structure and operation is pretty monodimensional and reductive.

And, everything I’ve said arises from vast ignorance. What the hell do I know???


RE: team
By flowrush on 11/13/2012 8:34:21 PM , Rating: 2
I love how you expanded on your argument, it was very enlightening. I have been delving a bit into chaos theory and other research including round table pbs discussions mentioning about feedback loops. I truly believe this feedback loop is a constant that pervades everything in the world and can be seen on infinite scales. There's much to be said about grouping as well and how this falls into the feedback patterns. I thin if people took more cue about these possibly universal truths, we would learn how to implement them in everything we do and create the most efficient system of communication.


RE: team
By Angstromm on 11/14/2012 11:23:10 AM , Rating: 2
Thanks, much appreciated!

I think it's helpful when we try to remain open to new and different ways of seeing and doing things. Thomas Kuhn talks about the idea of paradigm shifts (in science, but this can apply to anything, really) and how the old guard clings to the old, more established paradigm and that it takes time for a shift in thinking to occur, for the new paradigm to become accepted--like the shift from Newtonian Physics to Quantum Theory.

I also think it's important to remember that all systems of thought, scientific or otherwise, are just that: ideational structures that attempt to describe some portion of reality but don't, in and of themselves, constitute reality. So, what truth is the rational intellect, the scientific mind/method will never really know in entirety. Maybe. Ha!


RE: team
By Gurthang on 11/14/2012 12:19:28 PM , Rating: 2
Carefull with how you word that, your openness has left you open to the "crazy". heh.

The scientific method, which describes not just the process to test your own ideas but also the belief that something must be able to be tested and verified by others before it can be accepted is the core element that allows us to slowly devine the real rules the govern our shared "reality". The feedbacks of that system have been shown to work though sometimes not as fast or in the directions as some would like (quantum mechanics, climate change, evolution, etc.) or expect but the progress we have made is amazing.


RE: team
By someguy123 on 11/13/2012 9:28:22 PM , Rating: 3
Sounds to me like you don't understand how corporations work if you honestly believe someone could managed to stay in a high position for 23 years, only to get the boot for not being a mindless drone before the 24th. He already had problems with other staff like the article's example of Ray Ozzie yet maintained his position. He was fired because he would cause infighting between divisions, which, even if his goal was good product development through competition, didn't align with microsoft's goals of unifying its software divisions.


RE: team
By Ammohunt on 11/13/2012 4:18:11 PM , Rating: 2
I agree a bunch of nodding heads doesn't help innovation "its the everyone wins and gets a medal" mentality that is seeming into Corporate America.


RE: team
By BifurcatedBoat on 11/13/2012 8:29:38 PM , Rating: 3
In Sinofsky's position, I have a hard time imagining he was fired for being willing to speak up. His job was to lead. It seems more like he was in a position where he was stifling other people's ability to speak up and contribute.

Having that type of person around creates the scenario that you speak of as a self-fulfilling prophecy. What highly competent person wants to work for someone like that? Nobody.

So all the best people leave, and the ones who are willing to stay are the drones who know they have very limited prospects elsewhere, and so they are just happy to have a job at all.

So now you do need Mr. Forceful Micromanager to get things done. Not because it's a good way to do things, but because there is no other way now.


Time to fix the OS
By HoosierEngineer5 on 11/13/12, Rating: -1
RE: Time to fix the OS
By Grast5150 on 11/13/2012 3:23:46 PM , Rating: 5
How about you use applications/hardware designed for Windows 7. What are you smoking? I cannot remember the last time I say a BSOD for Windows 7. I still have XP in production for certian business types and still see BSOD for XP all the time.


RE: Time to fix the OS
By HoosierEngineer5 on 11/13/12, Rating: 0
RE: Time to fix the OS
By EasyC on 11/13/2012 3:42:59 PM , Rating: 2
Windows 7 is worlds better in stability than XP. As a software architect myself, I despised XP and it's bi-yearly reinstallation just to keep the OS working fast. God forbid you leave your machine running 24/7.

Windows 7 has been rock solid in both stability and speed for months upon months even with 24 hour up time on my machines.


RE: Time to fix the OS
By HoosierEngineer5 on 11/13/12, Rating: 0
RE: Time to fix the OS
By nikon133 on 11/13/2012 7:15:30 PM , Rating: 5
And I have a small replica of original Star Trek Enterprise. Bridge can receive only two people, but ship is fully functional and I take it for a spin every weekend.

The only downside is, it can achieve only Warp 1 speed.

I will believe you if you believe me.


RE: Time to fix the OS
By kleinma on 11/13/2012 4:42:29 PM , Rating: 2
In what way is Windows 7 not stable? In what way is Windows 8 not stable?

Outside of hardware makers who write crap kernel mode drivers which can bring down a system (hardly Microsoft's fault), these operating systems are extremely stable.

There is virtually no case one could make on how Windows XP is better than Windows 7, unless they want to make some nonsense comment about minimum ram requirements or some dumb thing that is irrelevant. I am all ears to how XP is more stable than Windows 7 though... enlighten me.


RE: Time to fix the OS
By corduroygt on 11/13/12, Rating: 0
RE: Time to fix the OS
By Gungel on 11/13/2012 5:44:15 PM , Rating: 2
Don't buy cheap hardware with crappy drivers and you won't have any issues with Windows 7.


RE: Time to fix the OS
By corduroygt on 11/13/2012 6:27:42 PM , Rating: 2
Unfortunately even expensive laptops have issues with bad drivers.
If Microsoft made their own preimium laptops like they did with the Surface tablets, they'd have a good chance to compete with Apple in the $1K+ space.


RE: Time to fix the OS
By Gungel on 11/13/2012 9:13:50 PM , Rating: 3
What brand name Notebooks have problems with Windows 7? I have bought many notebooks and desktops with Windows 7 on it but have yet to see a BSOD cause by drivers.


RE: Time to fix the OS
By corduroygt on 11/13/2012 10:42:51 PM , Rating: 1
Ones that come with crappy AMD switchable graphics or some other manufacturers who make their driver page so obscure. I have personally experienced crap like this from Sony and Toshiba.

I am completely against having hardware and OS from different vendors. You end up with crap. That's why I'm against any Android phone except for Nexus and any Windows device not manufactured by Microsoft themselves. OS should be nothing more than firmware.


RE: Time to fix the OS
By ClownPuncher on 11/13/2012 5:44:16 PM , Rating: 2
We want two Apple's?


RE: Time to fix the OS
By corduroygt on 11/13/2012 7:17:28 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, so we won't have to choose apple to buy something that just works without being dependent on multiple vendors.


RE: Time to fix the OS
By ClownPuncher on 11/14/2012 2:34:27 PM , Rating: 2
Over all of the hardware and software configs I've run in the last several years, I've maybe had a single driver issue among them.


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