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Toyota said that a new redesigned Prius wouldn't launch for more than a year

Toyota said it is considering making a significant change to the design of its wedge-shaped Prius.

According to the automaker, it hasn't chosen a new design for the Prius yet, but it is trying to determine whether to "evolve it," or "really evolve it." It is currently reviewing clay-model prototypes for the new Prius design.

"There's an undercurrent among most people that they're ready for a new Prius look," said Chris Hostetter, Toyota's vice president for strategic planning in the U.S. "Maybe our architecture has been a little bit similar for the last two generations."

The Prius, which was first launched in Japan in 1997 and the U.S. in 2000, had an exterior design that was altered from Toyota's Yaris sedan.

A second generation Prius was released in 2003, where it received the raked hood and windshield. From 2003 to 2004, Prius sales increased dramatically from 43,162 to 125,742.

The third-generation Prius pushed fuel efficiency (and sales) even further, while the Prius c was introduced with fuel economy ratings of 50 mpg combined.

Back in May of this year, the Prius family was named the third best-selling vehicle line in the world.

Toyota said that a new redesigned Prius wouldn't launch for more than a year.

Jonny Lieberman, senior features editor at Motor Trend, recently spoke with his sources at Toyota and shared a bit of secret info about the next Prius. Lieberman hinted that the next Prius will have a fuel economy rating of 60 mpg. This shouldn't be too hard to achieve assuming a lighter vehicle weight, more powerful electric motor, and a switch from NiMH to lithium-ion batteries.

Source: The Detroit News



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Not related... but...
By Cheesew1z69 on 11/9/2012 8:25:49 AM , Rating: 5
I am now seeing commercials for the new Ford Fusion Hybrid, that thing it hot! No thanks Toyota! ;)




RE: Not related... but...
By FITCamaro on 11/9/2012 8:30:13 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah the new Ford Fusion is sexy looking.

I wouldn't buy the hybrid though. The 2.0L Ecoboost would be fun however.


RE: Not related... but...
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 11/9/2012 9:16:01 AM , Rating: 2
No manual though with the 2.0 EcoBoost.

I'd probably pick the hybrid. $27k and 47mpg is damn impressive.


RE: Not related... but...
By FITCamaro on 11/9/2012 9:54:41 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah I didn't get that. Stupid to not offer that car in a manual with the 2.0L.


RE: Not related... but...
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 11/9/2012 10:47:42 AM , Rating: 3
But the 1.6T is available with a 6-speed stick, go figure.


RE: Not related... but...
By Samus on 11/10/2012 2:46:04 AM , Rating: 1
The 1.6T with a custom datalog ECU tune on 93 octane fuel would safely produce over 200WHP and 250LBS. The knock sensor is very sensitive and the injectors only work at 70% capacity at its rated peak 178hp. For a 3300lb car costing under $26k, I think this is a more balanced option than the 2.0T which would give slightly more power while scaling with slightly worse fuel economy and too much torque for FWD.

I've always felt balance perfection for NA engines is around 500cc/cylinder, while boosted engines is around 400cc/cylinder. I love the fun of a big cubic V8, but honestly anything more than 250ft/lb on FWD can ruin drivability. My Focus ST is ridiculous and will be getting a torsion LSD as soon as Ford Racing has them in stock. I still feel my SVT Focus and 7MGTE Supra are the most refined driving projects I ever built and both have pretty small engines while still making weight\power ratio <5:1


RE: Not related... but...
By Mint on 11/9/2012 12:06:00 PM , Rating: 2
If you like optional equipment, the plugin is probably going to be an even better choice than the regular hybrid.

With the CMax, the Energi ($32950-$3750) is only $1k above the similarly equipped Hybrid SEL model ($28200). Despite the 47mpg of the hybrid,
A) that'll pay itself back in under 2 years, and everything after that is gravy
B) the plugin will be worth a lot more on resale
C) the engine of the plugin will have only been used for maybe half of the miles, reducing wear.
Yes, that's after the tax credit, but even without that, it's still worth it in the long run. In fact, I bet the lease rates of the plugin will eventually be lower than that of the SEL hybrid, reflecting the above.

I hope the Fusion Energi has a similarly small pricing delta. This is something I've been expecting because it just makes sense. If you have a hybrid, you only need to add a charger and bigger battery to make it a plugin. It shouldn't cost $10k more.


RE: Not related... but...
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 11/9/2012 1:05:42 PM , Rating: 2
While I like the styling of the Fusion Hybrid/Energi and think it's a great vehicle, it wouldn't be on my shopping list (even though I think it's the best Fusion currently available). The Fusion Hybrid only has 12 cu ft of trunk space. That would be a deal killer for me.

I do have my eye on the C-Max Hybrid though. It's a much more versatile vehicle.


RE: Not related... but...
By Mint on 11/10/2012 4:46:58 PM , Rating: 2
Ah, I thought you were saying that you'd pick the Fusion Hybrid above. It would be neat if a company figured out a way to remove a chunk of battery for long hauls, just like minivans can take out a row of seats.

I suspect this will become less of a problem down the road. We can do 4L/kWh for batteries, so that's only 1 cubic foot for the 7kWh in the Energi. In time, we'd probably only need 1 more cu ft for electronics/wiring/cooling/protection. It took a couple years for the CE industry to figure out how to cram so much into under 1" thick notebooks or 8mm thick smartphones.

Still, as I mentioned above, the C-Max Energi costs very little over an equally equipped C-Max Hybrid, and will still have 20 cu ft of trunk space. Unless you want a barebones CMax, give the Energi some serious consideration, and don't forget that it'll have a higher resale value.


RE: Not related... but...
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 11/12/2012 2:51:47 PM , Rating: 2
If I HAD to choose a Fusion, it would be the hybrid. But I think the C-Max is the better vehicle for me as I have a 6-month old and all his crap to lug around ;)


RE: Not related... but...
By g35fan on 11/9/12, Rating: 0
RE: Not related... but...
By Cheesew1z69 on 11/9/2012 12:08:29 PM , Rating: 1
And your point? Oh right, you don't have one.


RE: Not related... but...
By Pirks on 11/9/12, Rating: 0
RE: Not related... but...
By Cheesew1z69 on 11/9/2012 12:51:06 PM , Rating: 1
I know that you moron. What's YOUR point? Nothing as usual?

Fucking idiot...


RE: Not related... but...
By Pirks on 11/9/12, Rating: -1
RE: Not related... but...
By Cheesew1z69 on 11/9/2012 1:47:08 PM , Rating: 1
You can't even put a proper sentence together, or spell correctly and you tell me that I need to learn English.

Wow.

You are nothing but a loser troll. I am not going to continue feeding you.

I feel sorry for the people in your life that have to deal with such a moron.


RE: Not related... but...
By Pirks on 11/9/12, Rating: 0
RE: Not related... but...
By 91TTZ on 11/9/2012 6:23:42 PM , Rating: 2
English is a proper noun and needs to be capitalized.


RE: Not related... but...
By foolsgambit11 on 11/10/2012 6:32:51 PM , Rating: 2
Unless he was telling him to learn how to impart spin to the cue ball in billiards....


RE: Not related... but...
By Ringold on 11/10/2012 5:45:35 AM , Rating: 2
Ha, I <3 people that use "prol" in everyday conversation.


RE: Not related... but...
By retrospooty on 11/9/2012 12:59:30 PM , Rating: 3
I always heard it was a Ferkin' Old Rebuilt Dodge ;)

But seriously, Ford has come a long way since the quality issues of the past. They make some good cars now. I cant believe I am even saying that, but its true.


RE: Not related... but...
By kwrzesien on 11/9/2012 3:00:27 PM , Rating: 2
I've always heard Fixed Or Repaired Daily. :)

Had two Expeditions - they were monsters and fun to drive. Then I shrank to a A4 1.8T Quattro Sport.


RE: Not related... but...
By Cheesew1z69 on 11/9/2012 3:17:05 PM , Rating: 2
My mother has an expedition, it's a beast.


RE: Not related... but...
By Jeffk464 on 11/9/12, Rating: 0
RE: Not related... but...
By jimbojimbo on 11/9/2012 4:33:22 PM , Rating: 2
Ha ha, that was funny!!... in 1988. It's not the same any more.


RE: Not related... but...
By Nutzo on 11/9/2012 11:03:48 AM , Rating: 2
The Fusion Hybrid has great specs, and I was seriously considering one. However it has one fatal flaw, No spare tire. instead you get get a can of flat fix. About 15% of new cars are now comming without spares.

I've had too many flats over the years to not at least have a temp spare. My current 10 year old Camry came with a full size spare, and I wish I could still buy a car with a full size spare (or at least room for one) Don't care about the <1 mpg diference the weight would make.


RE: Not related... but...
By Dr of crap on 11/9/2012 11:22:24 AM , Rating: 2
So you can't go buy a spare?
And that is your ONLY reason to not get he Ford?

A majority of new cars will go this route.

I know buying spares will be a big for these no spare cars, just add it onto the price!


RE: Not related... but...
By Cheesew1z69 on 11/9/2012 11:33:45 AM , Rating: 2
Fatal? Having a spare isn't "fatal".


RE: Not related... but...
By Cheesew1z69 on 11/9/2012 11:35:13 AM , Rating: 2
Not having*

At least I don't think so. That's what AAA is for.


RE: Not related... but...
By Mint on 11/9/2012 12:13:27 PM , Rating: 2
That's a pretty good point. Does it make sense for every car to have a spare - losing trunk space space and adding to weight over hundreds of thousands of miles - when it's much more economically efficient to rely on fix-a-flat or, worst case, the towing industry? Cellphones have greatly reduced the possibility of being stranded with no options.


RE: Not related... but...
By Cheesew1z69 on 11/9/2012 12:53:12 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Cellphones have greatly reduced the possibility of being stranded with no options
That they have, just a call away for help if needed.


RE: Not related... but...
By jimbojimbo on 11/9/2012 4:35:17 PM , Rating: 2
True but I'd still want a spare. I can change a flat tire out in probably 15-20minutes and be on my way. How long would you have to wait for a tow truck to show up?


RE: Not related... but...
By Spuke on 11/9/2012 5:54:19 PM , Rating: 2
45 mins seems typical in CA. When I lived back east it was much faster.


RE: Not related... but...
By Mint on 11/11/2012 9:26:50 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, but think about it. Suppose you get a flat at the unusual rate of once per year, and one in every two flats can be fixed by a can of fix-a-flat, while the others requiring a 1 hour wait for a tow.

That's means you're lugging around a flat all the time - carrying extra weight and losing cargo capacity - to save a mere 20 minutes on average per year.

That's not a tradeoff I'd make. I do have a spare in my car, but I don't have an option of the same car with more trunk space instead, or using that space it for batteries, etc.


RE: Not related... but...
By Jeffk464 on 11/9/2012 7:24:47 PM , Rating: 2
You can always carry the plug type repair kit, its a piece of cake to use. Of course I don't know if I would trust the repair for the long run.


RE: Not related... but...
By titanmiller on 11/10/2012 12:44:55 AM , Rating: 2
I've been driving on a plug for over 10,000 miles. It is a permanent fix as far as I know.


RE: Not related... but...
By MadMan007 on 11/10/2012 11:28:00 AM , Rating: 2
In addition to what others have said, there's the inconvenience of relying on the towing industry instead of even a temporary spare. If I call a tow truck, then what? Go straight to a tire place right then to get it repaired or replaced, possibly wasting a whole half a day or more when it's not planned. With a temp spare, I can change it, go on my way, and then get it replaced on my schedule.


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