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They're due out in 2013 and 2014

BMW is due to release a slew of new turbo diesel engines in the United States throughout 2013 and 2014. 

Among those in the diesel lineup is the F30 3 Series sedan diesel, due out in the first half of 2013; the F31 3 Series touring, due out in the second half of 2013; the F10 5 Series diesel, due out in the third quarter of 2013; the X5d diesel, due out at the end of 2013; the 7 Series diesel, due in the first half of 2014, and the X3d diesel, due in the first half of 2014. 

According to F30Post, a 180 HP 4-cylinder engine may be assigned to 20d or 25d models while a 255 HP 6-cylinder engine may be assigned to 28d, 30d or 35d models. However, no official announcements have been made in that regard. 

The U.S. had some other exciting diesel-related announcements this year as well, such as Porsche's first diesel model for the U.S. (the 2013 Cayenne Diesel), and Mazda said it was bringing a diesel engine to the U.S. by 2014

Source: F30post



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RE: choices are good, but need to be informed
By Dr of crap on 11/7/2012 8:33:06 AM , Rating: 2
Yea I like MORE choices - but have you seen the price of diesel?
Just a few days ago gas was $3.29 and diesel was almost $4.

So any savings is gone.
Higher purchase price and higher fill ups, just to get a bit better mpg - not sure if you gain anything.


RE: choices are good, but need to be informed
By FITCamaro on 11/7/2012 9:41:20 AM , Rating: 2
The difference here between premium and diesel is about $.10. So about $.40 more than regular.


By Mr Perfect on 11/7/2012 10:44:03 AM , Rating: 3
If BMW's engines are premium gasoline(and I'm guessing they are?), then that's the comparison to be making here. Diesel would have to win out in that comparison.


RE: choices are good, but need to be informed
By Motoman on 11/7/2012 11:07:59 AM , Rating: 2
When I bought my brand-new diesel pickup truck in '03, diesel was considerably cheaper than gas.

Maybe someday it will be again. I believe the key issue is simply supply and demand...there's not as many refineries producing diesel to meet with demand, so the price stays inflated.

While I love my diesel truck, and the difference between that and a gas motor for doing actual work is amazing, I have become slightly conflicted about the fact that a given quantity of crude oil yields way less diesel than it does gas.

A barrel of crude will process through to about 19 gallons of gas, and 10 gallons of diesel. And then a whackload of other stuff, like heavier fuels/oils, shiznet that gets turned into cheap plastic tchachke, etc.

While I'm not exactly alarmist about our crude reserves, it seems relatively obvious that we need to make best use of every barrel of crude. So, to that end, the majority of cars kind of need to be gas instead of diesel.

Which is OK for me, really. I want my truck to be diesel, but if I ever save enough pennies to buy a Corvette, it had better have a large gas motor in it ;)


By Mint on 11/7/2012 1:03:02 PM , Rating: 2
I've posted this before, but I'll post it again if anyone is curious about the economics of diesel vs gas:
http://www.caranddriver.com/columns/csaba-csere-sh...

Wide adoption of diesel in the US would be pointless (not that I think you're implying that), and let developing countries (where tiny, cheap diesel engines are more important for productivity) and Europe balance out supply/demand to match the production ratio.

The cost benefit is a wash, CO2 (if you care) is worse, and while air pollution has vastly improved, diesel is still not nearly as clean as good gas engines.


RE: choices are good, but need to be informed
By Keeir on 11/7/2012 1:09:23 PM , Rating: 2
Yes and no.

A Barrel of crude can be distilled many many different ways. The majority of US refineries are actually tilted towards gasoline. I've read the yields for many different choices on refining, and its possible to distill very little gasoline from a barrel, provided you have a high demand for jet fuel.

Its gets fairly complex, but Diesel is still a slightly better per miles use of base energy (both crude oil and NG/Electricty/etc) than gasoline.

Eliminating gasoline cars (to the extend done in Europe) is counterproductive though....


RE: choices are good, but need to be informed
By silverblue on 11/7/2012 1:27:13 PM , Rating: 2
They're not exactly eliminating petrol cars over here in Europe. In fact, cleaner petrol engines have been rather popular recently. Throw in a turbo like Fiat did with the TwinAir, a tiny two-cylinder 875cc engine, and you end up with 85bhp and 150Nm of torque with a low 95g/km of CO2. It significantly outperforms the old 1.2 FIRE engines and uses less fuel whilst polluting less.

Seriously, for city and even some motorway driving, that's perfect for a small car. Some of the most popular cars over here are city cars and most of these aren't even diesels. Even with the more efficient diesels we have nowadays, not everybody drives long distances.


By Keeir on 11/7/2012 7:51:26 PM , Rating: 3
Well,

In the US, 3 gallons of gasoline are sold for each 1 gallon of Diesel. (Keep in mind most trucks use Diesel and the US has -alot- more trucking than Europe which has great sea travel lanes, canals, trains, etc), so in the passenger car market its more like 50:1)

In France, .25 gallons of gasoline are sold for each 1 gallon of Diesel

In Germany and the UK the ratio is similiar to .75 gallons of gasoline for each 1 gallon of Diesel.

The Ratio change is very dramatic (75% gasoline in US to less than 40% in Europe). Ideally as another poster has put, the best use of oil would be closer to 50-60% gasoline


By MadMan007 on 11/7/2012 12:36:03 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, I made precisely that point in my post.


By superstition on 11/7/2012 4:02:22 PM , Rating: 2
Last winter, I saw diesel at $1.10 more per gallon than RUG. It was typically 80 cents higher.

Diesel seems to make more sense for passenger car owners in warmer climates. The price is more even in summer and the mileage is better.


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