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Ballmer makes the pitch for Windows Phone 8

Windows Phone barely registers in the minds of customers looking to purchase smartphones. Most of the general populous walking into a mobile store these days has already predetermined that they will select an iPhone or one of the members from the growing Android Army. RIM's Blackberry OS and Windows Phone are continuing to take a backseat in the lucrative smartphone market.
 
With this is mind, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer is still confident that things will change with Windows Phone 8. The recently launched smartphone operating system definitely looks slick, but is it compelling enough to attract not only new customers, but also legions of developers to make the platform thrive?

 
In a recent launch event in Israel, Ballmer seemed to disregard RIM and said that Microsoft is working with a number of OEM partners to make Windows Phone 8 a "really strong third participant" in the market.
 
Ballmer also went on to say that Windows Phone is "still relatively small", but that he "Expect[s] the volumes on Windows Phone to really ramp quickly."
 
When it comes to enthusiasm for the platform, we know that Ballmer is all in. The boisterous CEO recently narrated a commercial that showcases the highlights of Windows Phone 8.

Source: Reuters



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RE: LOL!
By PsychoPif on 11/5/2012 9:29:45 AM , Rating: 3
It was true in WP7, but with WP8 you now longer need the Zune software. You plug it in and you can browse the file system like a thumb drive.


RE: LOL!
By BabelHuber on 11/5/2012 9:55:17 AM , Rating: 1
Do you have a real file browser on your phone in WP8, like Total Commander or Root Explorer or Ghost Explorer for Android?

Can you select any file from the phone's storage and send it via E-Mail or bluetooth?

Does WP8 even support Bluetooth File Transfer?

Or can you sideload apps meanwhile? Or are you able to act as admin, like on a rooted Android phone?

I don't think so.

From what I have heard, WP8 at least has multitasking (Wow!), but still lacks in basic features compared to Android - or even the Symbians and Windows Mobiles of old.


RE: LOL!
By Motoman on 11/5/2012 10:28:46 AM , Rating: 2
Does 99.999% of the available market care?

No.


RE: LOL!
By BabelHuber on 11/5/2012 10:46:33 AM , Rating: 2
Please enlighten me:

If 99.999% of customer's don't care, why has Android a market share of 75%?

If customer's don't care, why has Nokia problems to move its existing customers from Symbian to WP?

Could it be that most of the ex-Symbian users do know what their phone was capable of? Could it be that the majority of ex-Symbian users don't want an OS with less features?

I think lots of people recognize what an OS can do and what it cannot do.

But no, you think that it is coincidence that the most open smartphone OS has also the biggest market share.

Of course you don't have any proof whatsoever for your twisted argument, troll.


RE: LOL!
By Motoman on 11/5/2012 11:23:09 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
If 99.999% of customer's don't care, why has Android a market share of 75%?


Because that's what the stores and TV ads are pushing.

quote:
If customer's don't care, why has Nokia problems to move its existing customers from Symbian to WP?


Because WP essentially doesn't exist yet, and if they have any apps built on Symbian they can't move anyway without redeveloping.

quote:
Could it be that most of the ex-Symbian users do know what their phone was capable of?


Doubt it. But if they were corporate devices there's a chance that they have an app or two built that can't port without re-development. Not to mention that WP has been a non-starter until now...and maybe still is a non-starter. Time will tell.

quote:
Could it be that the majority of ex-Symbian users don't want an OS with less features?


Not likely. The *vast* majority of actual individual phone users haven't got the slightest clue about anything you've been ranting about. And they don't care. Their IT department might tell them that they can't have an Android phone because of some custom Symbian app they built, but the user doesn't give 2 sh1ts about it. They just want to play Angry Birds.

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I think lots of people recognize what an OS can do and what it cannot do.


...have you ever stepped outside? Virtually no one who owns a smartphone has the slightest idea what it's capabilities and/or feature set is in any detail at all. Either it can do Twitter and play games, or it can't. That's about all the attention you're going to get from all but a handful of users.

quote:
But no, you think that it is coincidence that the most open smartphone OS has also the biggest market share.


No, it's not a coincidence - the marketplace is flooded with them, there's a wide variety of them available at all kinds of different price points, and they're being pushed hard by all the carriers. Coincidence? Hardly. But it's not because of any technical features of the OS itself. If the market was flooded with WebOS devices, and that's what all the carriers were pushing, that's what people would buy.

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Of course you don't have any proof whatsoever for your twisted argument, troll.


Sure I do. Go stand in a mall and ask people as they walk by how often they sideload apps. Or find a need for a file browser. Or...any of the other BS you're ranting about. Essentially no one knows WTF you're talking about, and probably someone would call security on you after a little while when you started foaming at the mouth.


RE: LOL!
By BabelHuber on 11/5/2012 11:47:05 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Because that's what the stores and TV ads are pushing.


Android has taken off before it was pushed via TV ads.

quote:
Because WP essentially doesn't exist yet, and if they have any apps built on Symbian they can't move anyway without redeveloping.


Agrred, a big problem is that WP doesn't have lots of Apps. But Microsoft is only in the mobile OS business since the year 2000, so in 12 years you cannot expect lots of apps.

quote:
Doubt it. But if they were corporate devices there's a chance that they have an app or two built that can't port without re-development. Not to mention that WP has been a non-starter until now...and maybe still is a non-starter. Time will tell.


So you think people who use rSAP (a Symbian standard feature) in their car don't recognize that it is gone?

You really think that transmitting files via bluetooth is something special? Ask any average guy how he transmitted the contacts of his old phone to a new phone in the past.

Those who didn't write them on paper and re-entering on the new phone used bluetooth.

So the first thing you do is transmitting your contacts. You will see very quickly that bluetooth file transfer is an important feature, even if you don't know what 'bluetooth file transfer' actually means.

quote:
Not likely. The *vast* majority of actual individual phone users haven't got the slightest clue about anything you've been ranting about. And they don't care. Their IT department might tell them that they can't have an Android phone because of some custom Symbian app they built, but the user doesn't give 2 sh1ts about it. They just want to play Angry Birds.


See above.

quote:
...have you ever stepped outside? Virtually no one who owns a smartphone has the slightest idea what it's capabilities and/or feature set is in any detail at all. Either it can do Twitter and play games, or it can't. That's about all the attention you're going to get from all but a handful of users.


Bullshit. Most people take features for granted, that's why they can't answer it. Only if a feature they need is missing they will recognize it.

And then they are upset if they had a phone which was capable of doing this before.

Example: As a long time Nokia user you know that the alarm of Nokia phones works even when the phone is completely turned off.

With WP, this feature was removed from the newer Nokia models.

People will learn the hard way that WP doesn't support it when they miss an airplane or an important meeting because of this, and then they will be upset.

quote:
No, it's not a coincidence - the marketplace is flooded with them, there's a wide variety of them available at all kinds of different price points, and they're being pushed hard by all the carriers. Coincidence? Hardly. But it's not because of any technical features of the OS itself. If the market was flooded with WebOS devices, and that's what all the carriers were pushing, that's what people would buy.


Bullshit. The Nokia Lumia line had the biggest marketing budget of any phone launch ever, and still people didn't buy them.

quote:
Sure I do. Go stand in a mall and ask people as they walk by how often they sideload apps. Or find a need for a file browser. Or...any of the other BS you're ranting about. Essentially no one knows WTF you're talking about, and probably someone would call security on you after a little while when you started foaming at the mouth.


See above. People know when something doesn't work which should.

Overall, you seem to think that most customers are complete idiots.

But most of them had mobile phones in the past. They already had feature phones with a file browser, bluetooth file transfer and even USB-connectivity. They take this for granted and hence don't care about when you ask them.

When you are really good at marketing, you can convince them to do the stuff they always did differently. This is where iOS shines marketing-wise.

But we talk about Windows here. People don't love it like Apple, they don't forgive and they don't forget.

But let's see what you'll say in a year or two, when WP is still a niche OS.


RE: LOL!
By Gurthang on 11/5/2012 11:40:44 AM , Rating: 3
"If 99.999% of customer's don't care, why has Android a market share of 75%?"

Because there is a metric ton of cheap Andorid devices out there which attempt to fit just about every market segment they can find. That along with a few "flagship" phones to attract people to give them a look. But don't confuse that with any sort of loyaity to Android on the part of the general populace.

Let me be clear here I have been using a rooted and romed 'droid for years now. And I like having access to the OS like I do on my PCs. But Android is often a messy and buggy excuse of a OS and the ROMs and tweaks only make it worse. The vendors are perpetually late getting updates out to older devices if they ever even bother to update them at all, thus leaving you to the whims of the folks making the hacked ROMs. It can be fun to mess with a phone like that and to show off when it works well but some days I just want things to work without additional work or waiting. Also citing "hacker" features as reasons for people to buy the phones is just plain silly. Most folks who buy smartphones could care less about anything you mentioned. So please stop confusing your desires for what most people want.

Windows Phone has its problems to be sure but there are some things it does very well. Power and CPU management come to mind, something Android could learn a thing or two from.

To me the big "sins" of WP7+ is common lack of swapable batteries and expandable memory followed by limited ability to customize the interface. Oh and any device that can't emulate a USB key, Camera, or media player when plugged in via USB to access the user files stored on it is also fail. (I accept tools for getting access to cool features or helping sync/back-up but I always want the basics availible.)


RE: LOL!
By cknobman on 11/5/2012 10:32:56 AM , Rating: 2
From what you've heard? Sounds like you have heard some hearsay and speculation.

Why don't you actually try researching something?


RE: LOL!
By BabelHuber on 11/5/2012 10:50:36 AM , Rating: 2
From what I've heard, yes.

Because I haven't had a WP8 phone in my own hands yet.

I could try out a WP7 phone, a misguided colleague bought a Nokia 800.

He had a Symbian phone before, we both played around with the WP7 POS and laughed about it.

The same day he returned it and got an Android phone instead, with which he is satisfied.

I thought that WP8 must address all the WP7 shortcomings, but from the tests I've read so far it is still a dissapointment and it will fail in the market again.


RE: LOL!
By retrospooty on 11/5/2012 10:48:26 AM , Rating: 2
"Or can you sideload apps meanwhile? Or are you able to act as admin, like on a rooted Android phone?"

You cant do that on a stock Android either, thus the need to root it. I would imagine there will be a similar way to tweak WP8.


RE: LOL!
By BabelHuber on 11/5/2012 10:54:42 AM , Rating: 2
No you can sideload Apps in Android. You do not need to root it or so.

Just go to Settings - Security, there you'll find an according option.

Just like it should be - sideloading is turned off by default, but you can turn it on without any ifs and buts. Google knows how an mobile OS should be features-wise.


RE: LOL!
By retrospooty on 11/5/2012 11:07:07 AM , Rating: 2
LOL... I didnt even think about it. I never had one that I didnt root 1st thing.


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