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Ballmer makes the pitch for Windows Phone 8

Windows Phone barely registers in the minds of customers looking to purchase smartphones. Most of the general populous walking into a mobile store these days has already predetermined that they will select an iPhone or one of the members from the growing Android Army. RIM's Blackberry OS and Windows Phone are continuing to take a backseat in the lucrative smartphone market.
 
With this is mind, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer is still confident that things will change with Windows Phone 8. The recently launched smartphone operating system definitely looks slick, but is it compelling enough to attract not only new customers, but also legions of developers to make the platform thrive?

 
In a recent launch event in Israel, Ballmer seemed to disregard RIM and said that Microsoft is working with a number of OEM partners to make Windows Phone 8 a "really strong third participant" in the market.
 
Ballmer also went on to say that Windows Phone is "still relatively small", but that he "Expect[s] the volumes on Windows Phone to really ramp quickly."
 
When it comes to enthusiasm for the platform, we know that Ballmer is all in. The boisterous CEO recently narrated a commercial that showcases the highlights of Windows Phone 8.

Source: Reuters



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LOL!
By BabelHuber on 11/5/2012 9:15:39 AM , Rating: -1
When was WP7 released? In 2010? Since then Ballmer talks about a 'third ecosystem'. Meanwhile it's just a joke, no sane person takes this serious anymore.

What's the advantage of WP8 again? Why should I buy a WP8 phone again?

Because it has 'tiles'? You have icons and widgets, while I have tiles, so I am better? WTF?

Or should I buy WP8 because it is a locked down system where I cannot sideload anything?

Or because I don't have an admin user?

Or because it doesn't even have a file browser? Because I need some shitty Windows-Program to sync my data?

Or should I buy it because App developers are so hesitant to develop for it that Microsoft even had to pay for angry birds?

Android's market share in Q3 2012 has risen to 75% worldwide.

And you, Steve Ballmer, want to compete against this with a totally locked down OS? If I would want a totally locked down OS, why shouldn't I buy Apple instead?

Ballmer needs to be fired, this is overdue.




RE: LOL!
By PsychoPif on 11/5/2012 9:25:05 AM , Rating: 5
Half of what you say is false and the other half is useless to 99% of users.

Off course, MS is far behind in the race. But if you think WP8 is irrelevant, you need to take an history lesson.

Horde of trolls like you said the same thing about the XBox and now it's the top console on the market. When MS and it's billion $$ really put themselves on something, you can't just deny the influence it has.


RE: LOL!
By BabelHuber on 11/5/12, Rating: -1
RE: LOL!
By StevoLincolnite on 11/5/2012 9:50:26 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Horde of trolls like you said the same thing about the XBox and now it's the top console on the market.


This is false.

If you look at overall sales the Wii beats the Xbox by about 30 million odd units.
The PS3 is only a couple million units behind. (Xbox usually changes into another gear during the Christmas season)
Wouldn't surprise me before this generations end the PS3 only slightly beats the Xbox as on a monthly basis the PS3 does sell more units world-wide outside of this period.

It's not until you only look at only the North American market does it look more in favor to the Xbox, but America doesn't equal the world.


RE: LOL!
By quiksilvr on 11/5/2012 9:57:51 AM , Rating: 2
Not true.

After investing billions into Xbox, it is still barely 2nd in the global market (69.3 million on Xbox vs 67.7 million on PS3). And it is quite a distant 2nd from Nintendo's near 100 million consoles sold.

And let us not forget Bing, which takes a whopping billion dollar hit annually as well and has barely made any headway into the market either.

I am not saying WP8 should disappear (that title belongs to RIM). But it is pretty apparent that WP7 and WP8, though much better than WP6, still has a long way to go and the current leadership have been shuffling about for the past 2 years doing so.


RE: LOL!
By quiksilvr on 11/5/2012 9:58:25 AM , Rating: 2
Need I mention Zune, too?


RE: LOL!
By retrospooty on 11/5/2012 9:25:21 AM , Rating: 1
"Or because it doesn't even have a file browser? Because I need some shitty Windows-Program to sync my data?"

Is that right? I wasnt aware of that and was looking forwrd to checking out WP8. If so, it's pretty much a deal breaker for me. I seriously hate that. Any phone that cant simply plug in via USB and behave as a flash drive to copy files (any files) is just not going to make my short list.

Other than that though, the UI is slick and fast in wp7. If the file transfer thing isnt an issue, wp8 looks pretty nice.


RE: LOL!
By PsychoPif on 11/5/2012 9:29:45 AM , Rating: 3
It was true in WP7, but with WP8 you now longer need the Zune software. You plug it in and you can browse the file system like a thumb drive.


RE: LOL!
By BabelHuber on 11/5/2012 9:55:17 AM , Rating: 1
Do you have a real file browser on your phone in WP8, like Total Commander or Root Explorer or Ghost Explorer for Android?

Can you select any file from the phone's storage and send it via E-Mail or bluetooth?

Does WP8 even support Bluetooth File Transfer?

Or can you sideload apps meanwhile? Or are you able to act as admin, like on a rooted Android phone?

I don't think so.

From what I have heard, WP8 at least has multitasking (Wow!), but still lacks in basic features compared to Android - or even the Symbians and Windows Mobiles of old.


RE: LOL!
By Motoman on 11/5/2012 10:28:46 AM , Rating: 2
Does 99.999% of the available market care?

No.


RE: LOL!
By BabelHuber on 11/5/2012 10:46:33 AM , Rating: 2
Please enlighten me:

If 99.999% of customer's don't care, why has Android a market share of 75%?

If customer's don't care, why has Nokia problems to move its existing customers from Symbian to WP?

Could it be that most of the ex-Symbian users do know what their phone was capable of? Could it be that the majority of ex-Symbian users don't want an OS with less features?

I think lots of people recognize what an OS can do and what it cannot do.

But no, you think that it is coincidence that the most open smartphone OS has also the biggest market share.

Of course you don't have any proof whatsoever for your twisted argument, troll.


RE: LOL!
By Motoman on 11/5/2012 11:23:09 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
If 99.999% of customer's don't care, why has Android a market share of 75%?


Because that's what the stores and TV ads are pushing.

quote:
If customer's don't care, why has Nokia problems to move its existing customers from Symbian to WP?


Because WP essentially doesn't exist yet, and if they have any apps built on Symbian they can't move anyway without redeveloping.

quote:
Could it be that most of the ex-Symbian users do know what their phone was capable of?


Doubt it. But if they were corporate devices there's a chance that they have an app or two built that can't port without re-development. Not to mention that WP has been a non-starter until now...and maybe still is a non-starter. Time will tell.

quote:
Could it be that the majority of ex-Symbian users don't want an OS with less features?


Not likely. The *vast* majority of actual individual phone users haven't got the slightest clue about anything you've been ranting about. And they don't care. Their IT department might tell them that they can't have an Android phone because of some custom Symbian app they built, but the user doesn't give 2 sh1ts about it. They just want to play Angry Birds.

quote:
I think lots of people recognize what an OS can do and what it cannot do.


...have you ever stepped outside? Virtually no one who owns a smartphone has the slightest idea what it's capabilities and/or feature set is in any detail at all. Either it can do Twitter and play games, or it can't. That's about all the attention you're going to get from all but a handful of users.

quote:
But no, you think that it is coincidence that the most open smartphone OS has also the biggest market share.


No, it's not a coincidence - the marketplace is flooded with them, there's a wide variety of them available at all kinds of different price points, and they're being pushed hard by all the carriers. Coincidence? Hardly. But it's not because of any technical features of the OS itself. If the market was flooded with WebOS devices, and that's what all the carriers were pushing, that's what people would buy.

quote:
Of course you don't have any proof whatsoever for your twisted argument, troll.


Sure I do. Go stand in a mall and ask people as they walk by how often they sideload apps. Or find a need for a file browser. Or...any of the other BS you're ranting about. Essentially no one knows WTF you're talking about, and probably someone would call security on you after a little while when you started foaming at the mouth.


RE: LOL!
By BabelHuber on 11/5/2012 11:47:05 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Because that's what the stores and TV ads are pushing.


Android has taken off before it was pushed via TV ads.

quote:
Because WP essentially doesn't exist yet, and if they have any apps built on Symbian they can't move anyway without redeveloping.


Agrred, a big problem is that WP doesn't have lots of Apps. But Microsoft is only in the mobile OS business since the year 2000, so in 12 years you cannot expect lots of apps.

quote:
Doubt it. But if they were corporate devices there's a chance that they have an app or two built that can't port without re-development. Not to mention that WP has been a non-starter until now...and maybe still is a non-starter. Time will tell.


So you think people who use rSAP (a Symbian standard feature) in their car don't recognize that it is gone?

You really think that transmitting files via bluetooth is something special? Ask any average guy how he transmitted the contacts of his old phone to a new phone in the past.

Those who didn't write them on paper and re-entering on the new phone used bluetooth.

So the first thing you do is transmitting your contacts. You will see very quickly that bluetooth file transfer is an important feature, even if you don't know what 'bluetooth file transfer' actually means.

quote:
Not likely. The *vast* majority of actual individual phone users haven't got the slightest clue about anything you've been ranting about. And they don't care. Their IT department might tell them that they can't have an Android phone because of some custom Symbian app they built, but the user doesn't give 2 sh1ts about it. They just want to play Angry Birds.


See above.

quote:
...have you ever stepped outside? Virtually no one who owns a smartphone has the slightest idea what it's capabilities and/or feature set is in any detail at all. Either it can do Twitter and play games, or it can't. That's about all the attention you're going to get from all but a handful of users.


Bullshit. Most people take features for granted, that's why they can't answer it. Only if a feature they need is missing they will recognize it.

And then they are upset if they had a phone which was capable of doing this before.

Example: As a long time Nokia user you know that the alarm of Nokia phones works even when the phone is completely turned off.

With WP, this feature was removed from the newer Nokia models.

People will learn the hard way that WP doesn't support it when they miss an airplane or an important meeting because of this, and then they will be upset.

quote:
No, it's not a coincidence - the marketplace is flooded with them, there's a wide variety of them available at all kinds of different price points, and they're being pushed hard by all the carriers. Coincidence? Hardly. But it's not because of any technical features of the OS itself. If the market was flooded with WebOS devices, and that's what all the carriers were pushing, that's what people would buy.


Bullshit. The Nokia Lumia line had the biggest marketing budget of any phone launch ever, and still people didn't buy them.

quote:
Sure I do. Go stand in a mall and ask people as they walk by how often they sideload apps. Or find a need for a file browser. Or...any of the other BS you're ranting about. Essentially no one knows WTF you're talking about, and probably someone would call security on you after a little while when you started foaming at the mouth.


See above. People know when something doesn't work which should.

Overall, you seem to think that most customers are complete idiots.

But most of them had mobile phones in the past. They already had feature phones with a file browser, bluetooth file transfer and even USB-connectivity. They take this for granted and hence don't care about when you ask them.

When you are really good at marketing, you can convince them to do the stuff they always did differently. This is where iOS shines marketing-wise.

But we talk about Windows here. People don't love it like Apple, they don't forgive and they don't forget.

But let's see what you'll say in a year or two, when WP is still a niche OS.


RE: LOL!
By Gurthang on 11/5/2012 11:40:44 AM , Rating: 3
"If 99.999% of customer's don't care, why has Android a market share of 75%?"

Because there is a metric ton of cheap Andorid devices out there which attempt to fit just about every market segment they can find. That along with a few "flagship" phones to attract people to give them a look. But don't confuse that with any sort of loyaity to Android on the part of the general populace.

Let me be clear here I have been using a rooted and romed 'droid for years now. And I like having access to the OS like I do on my PCs. But Android is often a messy and buggy excuse of a OS and the ROMs and tweaks only make it worse. The vendors are perpetually late getting updates out to older devices if they ever even bother to update them at all, thus leaving you to the whims of the folks making the hacked ROMs. It can be fun to mess with a phone like that and to show off when it works well but some days I just want things to work without additional work or waiting. Also citing "hacker" features as reasons for people to buy the phones is just plain silly. Most folks who buy smartphones could care less about anything you mentioned. So please stop confusing your desires for what most people want.

Windows Phone has its problems to be sure but there are some things it does very well. Power and CPU management come to mind, something Android could learn a thing or two from.

To me the big "sins" of WP7+ is common lack of swapable batteries and expandable memory followed by limited ability to customize the interface. Oh and any device that can't emulate a USB key, Camera, or media player when plugged in via USB to access the user files stored on it is also fail. (I accept tools for getting access to cool features or helping sync/back-up but I always want the basics availible.)


RE: LOL!
By cknobman on 11/5/2012 10:32:56 AM , Rating: 2
From what you've heard? Sounds like you have heard some hearsay and speculation.

Why don't you actually try researching something?


RE: LOL!
By BabelHuber on 11/5/2012 10:50:36 AM , Rating: 2
From what I've heard, yes.

Because I haven't had a WP8 phone in my own hands yet.

I could try out a WP7 phone, a misguided colleague bought a Nokia 800.

He had a Symbian phone before, we both played around with the WP7 POS and laughed about it.

The same day he returned it and got an Android phone instead, with which he is satisfied.

I thought that WP8 must address all the WP7 shortcomings, but from the tests I've read so far it is still a dissapointment and it will fail in the market again.


RE: LOL!
By retrospooty on 11/5/2012 10:48:26 AM , Rating: 2
"Or can you sideload apps meanwhile? Or are you able to act as admin, like on a rooted Android phone?"

You cant do that on a stock Android either, thus the need to root it. I would imagine there will be a similar way to tweak WP8.


RE: LOL!
By BabelHuber on 11/5/2012 10:54:42 AM , Rating: 2
No you can sideload Apps in Android. You do not need to root it or so.

Just go to Settings - Security, there you'll find an according option.

Just like it should be - sideloading is turned off by default, but you can turn it on without any ifs and buts. Google knows how an mobile OS should be features-wise.


RE: LOL!
By retrospooty on 11/5/2012 11:07:07 AM , Rating: 2
LOL... I didnt even think about it. I never had one that I didnt root 1st thing.


RE: LOL!
By MartyLK on 11/5/2012 10:10:14 AM , Rating: 2
I agree.

MS says, "small". That's actually wrong. "Microscopic" would be a more correct description - if even that big.

I gave up on MS after waiting and waiting for them to do anything right. MS doesn't treat the consumer market properly. You can't just alter functions and features back and forth or the time and expect consumers to accept it. MS's ways are like the ebb and flow of tides, always changing and never stable. The consumer can never count on anything that MS puts out.


RE: LOL!
By retrospooty on 11/5/2012 11:08:11 AM , Rating: 2
"I gave up on MS after waiting and waiting for them to do anything right. MS doesn't treat the consumer market properly. You can't just alter functions and features back and forth or the time and expect consumers to accept it. MS's ways are like the ebb and flow of tides, always changing and never stable. The consumer can never count on anything that MS puts out."

That is an extremely good point.


RE: LOL!
By tayb on 11/5/2012 11:20:07 AM , Rating: 2
What you need to do is walk into a Verizon store with this list and ask a few random customers their thoughts on these issues.

"Excuse me, sir, what do you think about the fact that Windows Phone 8 doesn't allow you to side load apps?"

"Ma'am, if I were to tell you that Windows Phone 8 doesn't have a file browser would that dampen your enthusiasm?"

Let me know how that goes. You're making the common mistaking of thinking that most people aren't ignorant. They are. Most people who walk into a Verizon or AT&T store buy what the sales rep tells him or her to buy. That's it. Right now these reps push Android because Android is the most profitable. If Microsoft sweetens the pot these guys will push MS. That's really how it works. These things you mentioned aren't actually hurting WP at all.

No, the biggest problem facing MS and WP is that there aren't enough phones on the shelves. I went into a Verizon store yesterday to file an insurance claim on my phone and I cannot remember seeing a single Windows Phone. Not one. I'm sure there were a couple there somewhere but I honestly do not remember seeing one. That's the problem. What did I see plastered on the walls and front and center? Galaxy Note 2 and Galaxy SIII.


RE: LOL!
By BabelHuber on 11/5/2012 12:03:21 PM , Rating: 2
Ok, let's talk about carrier support instead of features.

You know Microsoft bought Skype? You know Microsoft intends to install Skype on more than a billion PCs per default? That MS wants to fully integrate Skype in all Windows devices?

So, do carriers like Skype?

I'd bet money they rather sell SMS and phone calls than data services, because this is where most of the profits are.

Do they also dislike WhattsApp or iMessage? Sure, but Skype is a bigger threat, since it's backed up by Microsoft.

So carriers don't like MS, you are right.


RE: LOL!
By tayb on 11/5/2012 1:11:02 PM , Rating: 2
Do carriers like Skype? You might be surprised.

The old money grab for carriers used to be SMS and phone but they've almost completely phased this out for smart phones. The new "family share plans" that the carriers are pushing include unlimited talk/text, exorbitant charges for data, and low data usage ceilings. Five years ago you may have been correct but the model has changed. Carriers want you to use more data because then they can charge you more. Skype is no longer an enemy but an excellent means to sell customers more data.

Even for non share plans the prices for talk/text have bottomed out. They are clearly targeting data as their main revenue draw.

For what it's worth: My Droid X came with Skype Mobile pre-installed. Not sure if it came from Verizon or Motorola.


RE: LOL!
By Ramstark on 11/5/2012 9:20:07 PM , Rating: 2
Then you would lose all your hard-earned-as-a-troll money...you know why? Because the model has changed. The carriers now want you to consume data mainly because their plans are finally designed for that.
Anyway, with all your trolling and knowing you even haven't used a WP8 and this know I know that you don't know anything about the market or the cell phone technology. Sure, you can root your Android, right? Surely following youtube video tutorials. So go now, please rant again about what your "humble" opinion is...


RE: LOL!
By Da W on 11/5/2012 12:25:59 PM , Rating: 2
Yeeee! You got an android phone like everybody else. Hope it makes you happy, ant!


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