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Ballmer makes the pitch for Windows Phone 8

Windows Phone barely registers in the minds of customers looking to purchase smartphones. Most of the general populous walking into a mobile store these days has already predetermined that they will select an iPhone or one of the members from the growing Android Army. RIM's Blackberry OS and Windows Phone are continuing to take a backseat in the lucrative smartphone market.
 
With this is mind, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer is still confident that things will change with Windows Phone 8. The recently launched smartphone operating system definitely looks slick, but is it compelling enough to attract not only new customers, but also legions of developers to make the platform thrive?

 
In a recent launch event in Israel, Ballmer seemed to disregard RIM and said that Microsoft is working with a number of OEM partners to make Windows Phone 8 a "really strong third participant" in the market.
 
Ballmer also went on to say that Windows Phone is "still relatively small", but that he "Expect[s] the volumes on Windows Phone to really ramp quickly."
 
When it comes to enthusiasm for the platform, we know that Ballmer is all in. The boisterous CEO recently narrated a commercial that showcases the highlights of Windows Phone 8.

Source: Reuters



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Not available
By mchentz on 11/5/2012 9:25:58 AM , Rating: 3
I do want to purchase a W8 phone but Verizon or AT&T does not have one for sale or for that matter pre order. I even contacted AT&T support to try and pre order a Nokia Lumia 920 and all they could find was the 900. So until the phones are even available this article means nothing to me.




RE: Not available
By retrospooty on 11/5/2012 9:32:34 AM , Rating: 2
That does seems odd.

You want to gain marketshare and have a quick ramp, you contract with manufacturers and all major carriers to have a phone available day 1. Verizon and AT&T are the #1 and #2 carriers. Where's the phones?


RE: Not available
By PsychoPif on 11/5/2012 10:49:19 AM , Rating: 2
That's the real problem with WP.

It's not because it does'nt have marketshare or some obscure feature only enthusiast use.

If customers would walk into a store and half the phone sold to them were running WP. They would at least consider it, see that it's great and the market share would grow.

But as much as I think WP is the best mobile OS, I can't deny the fact that I still can't get my hand on a damn phone.


RE: Not available
By BabelHuber on 11/5/12, Rating: -1
RE: Not available
By tayb on 11/5/2012 11:50:59 AM , Rating: 3
Bluetooth is not the only way to transfer contacts. Do you think that people buying Windows Phones just manually type out all their new contacts...? There are other ways to transfer...

Also, Windows Phone 8 supports BTF anyway so I'm not sure what your point is here.

quote:
When the sales guy sells 10 WP-phones and gets 5 returned, he thinks 'this phone creates high return rates, so I have more work'. And then the sales guy thinks 'In the future, I'll sell Android and iOS instead'.


It's hard to find unbiased surveys but most "satisfaction" surveys I've looked at have iOS #1, WP7 #2, Android #3. Here's one from PCMag: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2402202,00.as... I've seen no indications that Windows Phone has a high return rate at all.


RE: Not available
By BabelHuber on 11/5/12, Rating: 0
RE: Not available
By Jeffk464 on 11/5/2012 3:51:02 PM , Rating: 2
What, no I just log into my google account and all my contacts, emails, calendar, documents, and everything populate. Makes the switch to WP8 sound like a pain if this doesn't happen.


RE: Not available
By AntDX316 on 11/5/2012 9:45:23 PM , Rating: 3
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the LG optimus G is better than any Windows Phone 8 in everything


RE: Not available
By MartyLK on 11/5/2012 12:16:19 PM , Rating: 2
I still have a WP7 phone. But that's only because it's way past the return period and it's worthless as a sale item. It's burdened with a dead system - WP7. I made the mistake of believing MS was going to be a strong runner in the smartphone arena with all of the hype leading up to WP7's release 2 years ago. Not only was WP7 *not* a strong runner, but it wasn't even viable and would be dead in 2 years. What's that say for WP8? Will it be a viable system or will it be dead in 2 years also?

All I know as a consumer, I'm not willing to chance it and will avoid any mobile system from MS. There just is absolutely zero need to look anywhere else than Android right now. Android can do it all.


RE: Not available
By Etsp on 11/5/2012 2:30:26 PM , Rating: 2
Sadly, it turns out that Microsoft's strategy was that WP7 was to be a bridge between Windows Mobile 6 and WP8. In this, they have succeeded. Though they certainly didn't market it as such.

The major feature to my mind regarding WP8 is the ability to run natively coded apps. This makes porting apps from other platforms much much easier. I wouldn't be surprised to see a big jump in WP8 apps compared to WP7 as a result of this.

As far as getting abandoned in a dead system is concerned, most Android phones don't seem to get updated to the latest and greatest, but rather are left behind. iOS was better about this, but they still cut features on older devices.

Microsoft seems to have done this feature cutting and device abandoning faster with WP7 to WP8, but that is only a single datapoint. It doesn't establish a trend. Hopefully, it won't and WP8 devices will get software updates for at least a couple years. We just have to wait and see.


RE: Not available
By MartyLK on 11/5/2012 3:51:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
As far as getting abandoned in a dead system is concerned, most Android phones don't seem to get updated to the latest and greatest, but rather are left behind. iOS was better about this, but they still cut features on older devices.


This isn't the case with Google branded phones. Google's older Nexus phones, like the Nexus S which is several years old, are still being officially updated to the latest software, including currently Android 4.1.2 and will receive Android 4.2.

Any OEM Android phone is subject to the OEM's choices. Samsung tends to update 1 to 2 year old phones with current software. HTC tends to do about the same. But there are some OEMs, like Motorola, for instance, who usually (note: not always) won't even update brand new devices. With them, what you get when you buy it is all it will ever have.

But as far as Google goes, their phones and devices receive updates as soon as new software is released. However, having said that, if any of Google's devices happen to be carrier branded - like the Nexus S, any proposed software updates require the carrier's approval and testing phase before it will be released to the device.


By Tanclearas on 11/5/2012 9:05:55 AM , Rating: 2
I don't really have anything negative to say about WP8. That doesn't mean I think it's perfect. I think it's good, but not better than iOS or Android. That's the real problem for Microsoft.

If it's not better in a meaningful way, why would anyone switch from iOS or Android? Microsoft made lots of money because for a long time there wasn't an alternative platform that was significantly better. Apple's tagline "Think different" was quite appropriate back then. It was different, but not really better, and the problem with switching was giving up everything you had already invested, especially in software.

I have made purchases for both iOS (some) and Android (mostly) already, and I am not going to start my software library over again just to get something "as good, but different".




By PsychoPif on 11/5/2012 9:28:18 AM , Rating: 2
It's true that for someone who has invested a lot in an ecosystem, the switch is costly. That I think is something every sane customer should worry about. But right now that everyone went the appstore way, we got no real solution.

For me what makes WP8 better is the integration with everything else MS. That's the angle they are taking and I believe it will pay off.


By kmmatney on 11/5/2012 9:32:21 AM , Rating: 2
I don't care about my Apps sp much, but I'm getting free tethering with a jail-broken iPhone. I don't think there is a "jailbreak" yet for Windows Phone.


By crispbp04 on 11/5/2012 9:41:07 AM , Rating: 2
You should check out xda developer. the windows phone platform is way more hacker friendly than your iDevice. Samsung & HTC windows phone users have been enjoying WP7.8 and free wifi tether for quite some time.


By Jeffk464 on 11/5/2012 3:54:51 PM , Rating: 1
why would anyone switch from iOS or Android

Exactly you are tied into an ecosystem so another ecosystem has to be so good that it draws you out of that ecosystem.


Build it they should come....
By othercents on 11/5/2012 9:09:07 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
...but also legions of developers to make the platform thrive?


Why wouldn't developers who are cross platform (iOS & Android) go ahead and port their applications to Windows Phone 8? With Windows Phone 7 this type of move was difficult, however with Windows Phone 8 and the integration of the different programing libraries you should be able to do this with very little effort. At least less effort than it would get from sales.

As long as the developer is actually out to sell more apps the move to WP8 would be a no brainer.




RE: Build it they should come....
By drycrust3 on 11/5/2012 1:32:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
however with Windows Phone 8 and the integration of the different programing libraries you should be able to do this with very little effort.

One of the big problems MS (and Blackberry, and anyone else entering the market) faces is that when a current smartphone user walks into a store to buy a new phone, they already have in their mind essential apps that they believe they need on their phone. In addition, commercial companies are making apps available that help their customers do business with them.
As such, a smartphone user looking for a new phone is either going to stay where they are or, if they are going to change operating systems, is more likely to migrate towards one with a large enough application library that it has these apps (or better) in it.
The easier it would be for developers to migrate their apps from iOS, Android, Blackberry, etc, to WP8 the better it is for Microsoft.
I don't think Microsoft have got themselves into the position Kodak have found themselves in, where they have left their run too late, but every month (and worse, every Christmas) they dilly dally in getting phones on store shelves makes their ability to dominate the market more difficult.
The big thing in Microsoft's favour is the weakness of Google's (and others) patent portfolios to protect Android in the USA. The way things are heading is it could easily be that manufacturers wanting a market presence within the USA are forced to sell phones with WP8 on it.


"Still Small"?
By geddarkstorm on 11/5/2012 12:34:29 PM , Rating: 2
Doesn't Ballmer know there's a pill for that?




Epic..
By nocturne on 11/6/2012 1:50:31 AM , Rating: 2
Thank you so much, Brandon.. you made my day.

Epicly hilarious how you found a photo of Balmer doing his own air quotes, fitting just so nicely 'neath the headline..




LOL!
By BabelHuber on 11/5/12, Rating: -1
RE: LOL!
By PsychoPif on 11/5/2012 9:25:05 AM , Rating: 5
Half of what you say is false and the other half is useless to 99% of users.

Off course, MS is far behind in the race. But if you think WP8 is irrelevant, you need to take an history lesson.

Horde of trolls like you said the same thing about the XBox and now it's the top console on the market. When MS and it's billion $$ really put themselves on something, you can't just deny the influence it has.


RE: LOL!
By BabelHuber on 11/5/12, Rating: -1
RE: LOL!
By StevoLincolnite on 11/5/2012 9:50:26 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Horde of trolls like you said the same thing about the XBox and now it's the top console on the market.


This is false.

If you look at overall sales the Wii beats the Xbox by about 30 million odd units.
The PS3 is only a couple million units behind. (Xbox usually changes into another gear during the Christmas season)
Wouldn't surprise me before this generations end the PS3 only slightly beats the Xbox as on a monthly basis the PS3 does sell more units world-wide outside of this period.

It's not until you only look at only the North American market does it look more in favor to the Xbox, but America doesn't equal the world.


RE: LOL!
By quiksilvr on 11/5/2012 9:57:51 AM , Rating: 2
Not true.

After investing billions into Xbox, it is still barely 2nd in the global market (69.3 million on Xbox vs 67.7 million on PS3). And it is quite a distant 2nd from Nintendo's near 100 million consoles sold.

And let us not forget Bing, which takes a whopping billion dollar hit annually as well and has barely made any headway into the market either.

I am not saying WP8 should disappear (that title belongs to RIM). But it is pretty apparent that WP7 and WP8, though much better than WP6, still has a long way to go and the current leadership have been shuffling about for the past 2 years doing so.


RE: LOL!
By quiksilvr on 11/5/2012 9:58:25 AM , Rating: 2
Need I mention Zune, too?


RE: LOL!
By retrospooty on 11/5/2012 9:25:21 AM , Rating: 1
"Or because it doesn't even have a file browser? Because I need some shitty Windows-Program to sync my data?"

Is that right? I wasnt aware of that and was looking forwrd to checking out WP8. If so, it's pretty much a deal breaker for me. I seriously hate that. Any phone that cant simply plug in via USB and behave as a flash drive to copy files (any files) is just not going to make my short list.

Other than that though, the UI is slick and fast in wp7. If the file transfer thing isnt an issue, wp8 looks pretty nice.


RE: LOL!
By PsychoPif on 11/5/2012 9:29:45 AM , Rating: 3
It was true in WP7, but with WP8 you now longer need the Zune software. You plug it in and you can browse the file system like a thumb drive.


RE: LOL!
By BabelHuber on 11/5/2012 9:55:17 AM , Rating: 1
Do you have a real file browser on your phone in WP8, like Total Commander or Root Explorer or Ghost Explorer for Android?

Can you select any file from the phone's storage and send it via E-Mail or bluetooth?

Does WP8 even support Bluetooth File Transfer?

Or can you sideload apps meanwhile? Or are you able to act as admin, like on a rooted Android phone?

I don't think so.

From what I have heard, WP8 at least has multitasking (Wow!), but still lacks in basic features compared to Android - or even the Symbians and Windows Mobiles of old.


RE: LOL!
By Motoman on 11/5/2012 10:28:46 AM , Rating: 2
Does 99.999% of the available market care?

No.


RE: LOL!
By BabelHuber on 11/5/2012 10:46:33 AM , Rating: 2
Please enlighten me:

If 99.999% of customer's don't care, why has Android a market share of 75%?

If customer's don't care, why has Nokia problems to move its existing customers from Symbian to WP?

Could it be that most of the ex-Symbian users do know what their phone was capable of? Could it be that the majority of ex-Symbian users don't want an OS with less features?

I think lots of people recognize what an OS can do and what it cannot do.

But no, you think that it is coincidence that the most open smartphone OS has also the biggest market share.

Of course you don't have any proof whatsoever for your twisted argument, troll.


RE: LOL!
By Motoman on 11/5/2012 11:23:09 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
If 99.999% of customer's don't care, why has Android a market share of 75%?


Because that's what the stores and TV ads are pushing.

quote:
If customer's don't care, why has Nokia problems to move its existing customers from Symbian to WP?


Because WP essentially doesn't exist yet, and if they have any apps built on Symbian they can't move anyway without redeveloping.

quote:
Could it be that most of the ex-Symbian users do know what their phone was capable of?


Doubt it. But if they were corporate devices there's a chance that they have an app or two built that can't port without re-development. Not to mention that WP has been a non-starter until now...and maybe still is a non-starter. Time will tell.

quote:
Could it be that the majority of ex-Symbian users don't want an OS with less features?


Not likely. The *vast* majority of actual individual phone users haven't got the slightest clue about anything you've been ranting about. And they don't care. Their IT department might tell them that they can't have an Android phone because of some custom Symbian app they built, but the user doesn't give 2 sh1ts about it. They just want to play Angry Birds.

quote:
I think lots of people recognize what an OS can do and what it cannot do.


...have you ever stepped outside? Virtually no one who owns a smartphone has the slightest idea what it's capabilities and/or feature set is in any detail at all. Either it can do Twitter and play games, or it can't. That's about all the attention you're going to get from all but a handful of users.

quote:
But no, you think that it is coincidence that the most open smartphone OS has also the biggest market share.


No, it's not a coincidence - the marketplace is flooded with them, there's a wide variety of them available at all kinds of different price points, and they're being pushed hard by all the carriers. Coincidence? Hardly. But it's not because of any technical features of the OS itself. If the market was flooded with WebOS devices, and that's what all the carriers were pushing, that's what people would buy.

quote:
Of course you don't have any proof whatsoever for your twisted argument, troll.


Sure I do. Go stand in a mall and ask people as they walk by how often they sideload apps. Or find a need for a file browser. Or...any of the other BS you're ranting about. Essentially no one knows WTF you're talking about, and probably someone would call security on you after a little while when you started foaming at the mouth.


RE: LOL!
By BabelHuber on 11/5/2012 11:47:05 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Because that's what the stores and TV ads are pushing.


Android has taken off before it was pushed via TV ads.

quote:
Because WP essentially doesn't exist yet, and if they have any apps built on Symbian they can't move anyway without redeveloping.


Agrred, a big problem is that WP doesn't have lots of Apps. But Microsoft is only in the mobile OS business since the year 2000, so in 12 years you cannot expect lots of apps.

quote:
Doubt it. But if they were corporate devices there's a chance that they have an app or two built that can't port without re-development. Not to mention that WP has been a non-starter until now...and maybe still is a non-starter. Time will tell.


So you think people who use rSAP (a Symbian standard feature) in their car don't recognize that it is gone?

You really think that transmitting files via bluetooth is something special? Ask any average guy how he transmitted the contacts of his old phone to a new phone in the past.

Those who didn't write them on paper and re-entering on the new phone used bluetooth.

So the first thing you do is transmitting your contacts. You will see very quickly that bluetooth file transfer is an important feature, even if you don't know what 'bluetooth file transfer' actually means.

quote:
Not likely. The *vast* majority of actual individual phone users haven't got the slightest clue about anything you've been ranting about. And they don't care. Their IT department might tell them that they can't have an Android phone because of some custom Symbian app they built, but the user doesn't give 2 sh1ts about it. They just want to play Angry Birds.


See above.

quote:
...have you ever stepped outside? Virtually no one who owns a smartphone has the slightest idea what it's capabilities and/or feature set is in any detail at all. Either it can do Twitter and play games, or it can't. That's about all the attention you're going to get from all but a handful of users.


Bullshit. Most people take features for granted, that's why they can't answer it. Only if a feature they need is missing they will recognize it.

And then they are upset if they had a phone which was capable of doing this before.

Example: As a long time Nokia user you know that the alarm of Nokia phones works even when the phone is completely turned off.

With WP, this feature was removed from the newer Nokia models.

People will learn the hard way that WP doesn't support it when they miss an airplane or an important meeting because of this, and then they will be upset.

quote:
No, it's not a coincidence - the marketplace is flooded with them, there's a wide variety of them available at all kinds of different price points, and they're being pushed hard by all the carriers. Coincidence? Hardly. But it's not because of any technical features of the OS itself. If the market was flooded with WebOS devices, and that's what all the carriers were pushing, that's what people would buy.


Bullshit. The Nokia Lumia line had the biggest marketing budget of any phone launch ever, and still people didn't buy them.

quote:
Sure I do. Go stand in a mall and ask people as they walk by how often they sideload apps. Or find a need for a file browser. Or...any of the other BS you're ranting about. Essentially no one knows WTF you're talking about, and probably someone would call security on you after a little while when you started foaming at the mouth.


See above. People know when something doesn't work which should.

Overall, you seem to think that most customers are complete idiots.

But most of them had mobile phones in the past. They already had feature phones with a file browser, bluetooth file transfer and even USB-connectivity. They take this for granted and hence don't care about when you ask them.

When you are really good at marketing, you can convince them to do the stuff they always did differently. This is where iOS shines marketing-wise.

But we talk about Windows here. People don't love it like Apple, they don't forgive and they don't forget.

But let's see what you'll say in a year or two, when WP is still a niche OS.


RE: LOL!
By Gurthang on 11/5/2012 11:40:44 AM , Rating: 3
"If 99.999% of customer's don't care, why has Android a market share of 75%?"

Because there is a metric ton of cheap Andorid devices out there which attempt to fit just about every market segment they can find. That along with a few "flagship" phones to attract people to give them a look. But don't confuse that with any sort of loyaity to Android on the part of the general populace.

Let me be clear here I have been using a rooted and romed 'droid for years now. And I like having access to the OS like I do on my PCs. But Android is often a messy and buggy excuse of a OS and the ROMs and tweaks only make it worse. The vendors are perpetually late getting updates out to older devices if they ever even bother to update them at all, thus leaving you to the whims of the folks making the hacked ROMs. It can be fun to mess with a phone like that and to show off when it works well but some days I just want things to work without additional work or waiting. Also citing "hacker" features as reasons for people to buy the phones is just plain silly. Most folks who buy smartphones could care less about anything you mentioned. So please stop confusing your desires for what most people want.

Windows Phone has its problems to be sure but there are some things it does very well. Power and CPU management come to mind, something Android could learn a thing or two from.

To me the big "sins" of WP7+ is common lack of swapable batteries and expandable memory followed by limited ability to customize the interface. Oh and any device that can't emulate a USB key, Camera, or media player when plugged in via USB to access the user files stored on it is also fail. (I accept tools for getting access to cool features or helping sync/back-up but I always want the basics availible.)


RE: LOL!
By cknobman on 11/5/2012 10:32:56 AM , Rating: 2
From what you've heard? Sounds like you have heard some hearsay and speculation.

Why don't you actually try researching something?


RE: LOL!
By BabelHuber on 11/5/2012 10:50:36 AM , Rating: 2
From what I've heard, yes.

Because I haven't had a WP8 phone in my own hands yet.

I could try out a WP7 phone, a misguided colleague bought a Nokia 800.

He had a Symbian phone before, we both played around with the WP7 POS and laughed about it.

The same day he returned it and got an Android phone instead, with which he is satisfied.

I thought that WP8 must address all the WP7 shortcomings, but from the tests I've read so far it is still a dissapointment and it will fail in the market again.


RE: LOL!
By retrospooty on 11/5/2012 10:48:26 AM , Rating: 2
"Or can you sideload apps meanwhile? Or are you able to act as admin, like on a rooted Android phone?"

You cant do that on a stock Android either, thus the need to root it. I would imagine there will be a similar way to tweak WP8.


RE: LOL!
By BabelHuber on 11/5/2012 10:54:42 AM , Rating: 2
No you can sideload Apps in Android. You do not need to root it or so.

Just go to Settings - Security, there you'll find an according option.

Just like it should be - sideloading is turned off by default, but you can turn it on without any ifs and buts. Google knows how an mobile OS should be features-wise.


RE: LOL!
By retrospooty on 11/5/2012 11:07:07 AM , Rating: 2
LOL... I didnt even think about it. I never had one that I didnt root 1st thing.


RE: LOL!
By MartyLK on 11/5/2012 10:10:14 AM , Rating: 2
I agree.

MS says, "small". That's actually wrong. "Microscopic" would be a more correct description - if even that big.

I gave up on MS after waiting and waiting for them to do anything right. MS doesn't treat the consumer market properly. You can't just alter functions and features back and forth or the time and expect consumers to accept it. MS's ways are like the ebb and flow of tides, always changing and never stable. The consumer can never count on anything that MS puts out.


RE: LOL!
By retrospooty on 11/5/2012 11:08:11 AM , Rating: 2
"I gave up on MS after waiting and waiting for them to do anything right. MS doesn't treat the consumer market properly. You can't just alter functions and features back and forth or the time and expect consumers to accept it. MS's ways are like the ebb and flow of tides, always changing and never stable. The consumer can never count on anything that MS puts out."

That is an extremely good point.


RE: LOL!
By tayb on 11/5/2012 11:20:07 AM , Rating: 2
What you need to do is walk into a Verizon store with this list and ask a few random customers their thoughts on these issues.

"Excuse me, sir, what do you think about the fact that Windows Phone 8 doesn't allow you to side load apps?"

"Ma'am, if I were to tell you that Windows Phone 8 doesn't have a file browser would that dampen your enthusiasm?"

Let me know how that goes. You're making the common mistaking of thinking that most people aren't ignorant. They are. Most people who walk into a Verizon or AT&T store buy what the sales rep tells him or her to buy. That's it. Right now these reps push Android because Android is the most profitable. If Microsoft sweetens the pot these guys will push MS. That's really how it works. These things you mentioned aren't actually hurting WP at all.

No, the biggest problem facing MS and WP is that there aren't enough phones on the shelves. I went into a Verizon store yesterday to file an insurance claim on my phone and I cannot remember seeing a single Windows Phone. Not one. I'm sure there were a couple there somewhere but I honestly do not remember seeing one. That's the problem. What did I see plastered on the walls and front and center? Galaxy Note 2 and Galaxy SIII.


RE: LOL!
By BabelHuber on 11/5/2012 12:03:21 PM , Rating: 2
Ok, let's talk about carrier support instead of features.

You know Microsoft bought Skype? You know Microsoft intends to install Skype on more than a billion PCs per default? That MS wants to fully integrate Skype in all Windows devices?

So, do carriers like Skype?

I'd bet money they rather sell SMS and phone calls than data services, because this is where most of the profits are.

Do they also dislike WhattsApp or iMessage? Sure, but Skype is a bigger threat, since it's backed up by Microsoft.

So carriers don't like MS, you are right.


RE: LOL!
By tayb on 11/5/2012 1:11:02 PM , Rating: 2
Do carriers like Skype? You might be surprised.

The old money grab for carriers used to be SMS and phone but they've almost completely phased this out for smart phones. The new "family share plans" that the carriers are pushing include unlimited talk/text, exorbitant charges for data, and low data usage ceilings. Five years ago you may have been correct but the model has changed. Carriers want you to use more data because then they can charge you more. Skype is no longer an enemy but an excellent means to sell customers more data.

Even for non share plans the prices for talk/text have bottomed out. They are clearly targeting data as their main revenue draw.

For what it's worth: My Droid X came with Skype Mobile pre-installed. Not sure if it came from Verizon or Motorola.


RE: LOL!
By Ramstark on 11/5/2012 9:20:07 PM , Rating: 2
Then you would lose all your hard-earned-as-a-troll money...you know why? Because the model has changed. The carriers now want you to consume data mainly because their plans are finally designed for that.
Anyway, with all your trolling and knowing you even haven't used a WP8 and this know I know that you don't know anything about the market or the cell phone technology. Sure, you can root your Android, right? Surely following youtube video tutorials. So go now, please rant again about what your "humble" opinion is...


RE: LOL!
By Da W on 11/5/2012 12:25:59 PM , Rating: 2
Yeeee! You got an android phone like everybody else. Hope it makes you happy, ant!


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