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New operating system(s) could target the consumer (mobile, traditional) and enterprise spaces

In the wake of ARM Holdings Plc.'s (LON:ARM) announcement of the upcoming 2014 ARM Cortex-A50 cores, ARM's first 64-bit processors, the company had more big news to share.

Ian Forsyth, program manager at ARM, announced this week that Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) was onboard and the two companies were working together closely to make sure one or more versions of Windows support the new iteration of the low-power architecture.  

Nandan Nayampally, head of ARM's processor marketing division, wrote to PC World in an email, "ARM works with all its OS and ecosystem partners to inform them on next generation technologies and enable their support."

The current version of Windows 8 for ARM chips -- Windows RT -- only supports 32-bit chips.  Likewise, Windows Server 2012 is expected to bring ARM server chip support -- but no 64-bit support.  That's not much of a problem because, as mentioned, 64-bit ARM CPUs won't land for another two years.
Samsung Ativ Tab
Samsung's Ativ Tab is among a crop of initial Windows RT products.

Early retail Windows RT products include Microsoft's Surface and ASUSTek Computer Inc. (TPE:2357Vivo Tab RT, both of which use NVIDIA Corp.'s (NVDA) quad-core, 32-bit Tegra 3 system-on-a-chip (SoC).  Dell, Inc.'s (DELL) XPS 10 and Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (KSC:005930) P8510 Ativ Tab instead use the dual-core variety of Qualcomm, Inc.'s (QCOM) Snapdragon 4, also a 32-bit chip.

x86 software does not run natively on ARM architecture chips, or vice versa.  That means that any application you want to run will need to have been freshly recompiled for Windows on ARM (WOA).  

The grunt work is not limited to recompilation.  Microsoft will have a lot of hard work ahead looking to port and optimize Windows 8 or its successor to work with the new ARMv8 64-bit instruction set extensions.

Source: ARM



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RE: You kno what this announcement means
By inighthawki on 11/2/2012 11:28:03 PM , Rating: 5
So you somehow assumed that Microsoft was just going to drop the thing they've been adamantly pushing for the last 3 years? Wow you're dumb.

Just use the desktop and drop it. The "metro is dumb" argument is getting a bit old considering nothing forces you to use it.


RE: You kno what this announcement means
By Reclaimer77 on 11/3/2012 5:19:57 PM , Rating: 2
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So you somehow assumed that Microsoft was just going to drop the thing they've been adamantly pushing for the last 3 years? Wow you're dumb.


And they can keep pushing it where it belongs: mobile devices.

Yes hopefully the complete flop of Windows 8 on the PC market will cause them to re-think their approach. One can always hope.

And it's a fact, Windows 8 is flopping hardcore on the PC side of things. At this rate it wont even sniff Windows 7 adoption. And the Enterprise side of things? Forget about it, they aren't touching 8 with a 10 foot pole.


RE: You kno what this announcement means
By haukionkannel on 11/3/2012 6:37:13 PM , Rating: 2
It does not matter if it will flop in desktop! if MS sells enough it to mobile versions, the win9 and win10 will definitely have Metro UI. They sell so much more OS lisenses by that way.
MS don't have to sell single desktop computer with win8 and it still can be them more profitable than win7 ever was or will be. The economy is funny thing!
Enterprize will move to Metro in 2018 or 2019 a year or two before the support ends to win7. Just like they did with winXP! Actually it can happen much quiker this time, because the programs that run in win7, will allso run same way in win8, win9, win10... After that it will be harder to say, so they are not in situation where they have to change all their important programs when changing their OS!
Win9 or win10 are very like candidates for corporates to move on, because by then there will be a lot of workers that are used to Metro UI by using their mobile devices. At this moment, I don't think that there is any reason for corporates to move on to win8. It is too early to them, but in 2-3 years the situation is different. But corporations and Enterprise market are not in harry, they never are.


RE: You kno what this announcement means
By Jeffk464 on 11/3/2012 7:55:40 PM , Rating: 3
Windows 8 is no reason not to buy a new PC there are plenty of 3rd party apps that disable metro and add a start bar. Windows is always successful because of new PC sales. I don't get the paranoia around win8, I've played with it for a few days now.


By Motoman on 11/4/2012 11:18:43 AM , Rating: 2
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there are plenty of 3rd party apps that disable metro and add a start bar.


...what, so now it's our job to QA Windows and fix it's massive defects that the publisher sends it out with? This isn't Apple we're talking about. No reality distortion field to make us think that's an OK way to do business.


RE: You kno what this announcement means
By inighthawki on 11/3/2012 7:31:01 PM , Rating: 4
I believe Windows 8 is "flopping" on desktop primarily as a result of negative press from misinformed people spreading rumors and over-exaggerating things they don't like. There are still a lot of people who seem to believe that Windows 8 is metro-only, and doesn't even have a desktop.

Not to mention some of the dumbest comments I've seen ever about people refusing to upgrade because of things like the extra click or two it takes to shut down the computer...just wow.


RE: You kno what this announcement means
By tayb on 11/4/2012 9:03:42 AM , Rating: 3
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There are still a lot of people who seem to believe that Windows 8 is metro-only, and doesn't even have a desktop.


This. There are numerous people on this very site who think the same things.


RE: You kno what this announcement means
By Spuke on 11/4/2012 10:10:54 AM , Rating: 3
Except the people on this website represent a tiny fraction of Windows sales and our opinions won't make or break Win8. I have people asking me about Win8 and they are not concerned at all about Metro. The ONLY concern I've seen about Metro is from geeks.


RE: You kno what this announcement means
By Pirks on 11/4/12, Rating: 0
By CashMoney23 on 11/4/2012 9:48:38 PM , Rating: 2
Windows 8 is not flopping...million copies sold in 8 days. Pick that apart how you will, but 8 million copies is still proving that there is interest.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57542489-75/micr...


RE: You kno what this announcement means
By retrospooty on 11/4/2012 4:59:45 PM , Rating: 2
"And it's a fact, Windows 8 is flopping hardcore on the PC side of things. At this rate it wont even sniff Windows 7 adoption. And the Enterprise side of things? Forget about it, they aren't touching 8 with a 10 foot pole."

On the enterprise side, I did touch it to evaluate it and it's possible effect on our end users. I decided the answer is a resounding "Hell no" and increased the pole size from 10 to 15 foot.


RE: You kno what this announcement means
By CashMoney23 on 11/4/2012 10:13:37 PM , Rating: 3
On the enterprise side, there are plenty of things that can only be accomplished from a Windows 8 client side perspective. There are multiple security enhancements, access control, and client interaction changes.

Addressing issues with token size, increasing Kerberos authentication security, and granular control over access permissions are just a few big ones to name.

Oh, and most large organizations today have many home grown in house apps that can quickly and easily be made in to Windows 8 apps which can be easily distributed, and accessed by the user population. By all means, I understand the sharp but extremely short learning curve around the new OS, but there have been equal hurdles in the past.

Once that hurdle is passed, people will find that using the modern UI is just as simple as anything else, if not easier when organizations embrace it and build with/for it.


RE: You kno what this announcement means
By retrospooty on 11/5/2012 7:16:19 AM , Rating: 2
"On the enterprise side, there are plenty of things that can only be accomplished from a Windows 8 client side perspective. There are multiple security enhancements, access control, and client interaction changes."

Agreed, but the gains are negated by the setup and training that would be involved. That and the fact that the existing solutions that each company has in use today is already... in use today. I don't see a compelling reason to swallow that bitter pill for any IT dept. Not going to happen, not in any significant #'s.

"Oh, and most large organizations today have many home grown in house apps that can quickly and easily be made in to Windows 8 apps "

All large organizations today have many home grown in house apps that currently in use and working as of today. To change takes time and investment and again, I don't see the payoff.

Adoption of this platform is going to be slow, as there just aren't any compelling reasons to make an upgrade move. It's all downside with very little to no upside.


By CashMoney23 on 11/5/2012 11:42:57 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed, but the gains are negated by the setup and training that would be involved. That and the fact that the existing solutions that each company has in use today is already... in use today. I don't see a compelling reason to swallow that bitter pill for any IT dept. Not going to happen, not in any significant #'s.

Sorry, there are no current Windows or 3rd party solutions (Pre 2012) for SID compression, Kerberos Armoring, and DAC. Come talk to me when you start having issues with token bloat...


By crispbp04 on 11/5/2012 8:35:22 AM , Rating: 3
I feel sorry for your company because your ignorance is preventing them from getting something they need. It's sad when dumbasses have control over business decisions.


By crispbp04 on 11/5/2012 8:33:15 AM , Rating: 2
You're so ignorant it pains me. Windows 8 will be a success and is already proving to be one. You and the hater bandwagon will eventually figure it out. We heard this when 95 launched about how stupid the start button was. We just learned to ignore dumb people.


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