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UK judges to Apple: "Not good enough!"

Last week, Apple posted a notice on its UK website which indicated that Samsung didn't copy the iPad when it designed the Galaxy Tab family of tablets. Of course, Apple didn't do this out of the kindness of its heart -- it was ordered to do so by a UK court.
In keeping with Apple’s typical demeanor towards its competitors, the notice posted on its website was rather flippant and pointed to how the Samsung tablets weren’t deemed to be as “cool” as the iPad. Apple also pointed out in its notice that it had won judgments against Samsung in both German and U.S. courts.
It appears, however, that UK judges weren't amused by Apple's play on words, and called the Cupertino, California-based company's statements "incorrect" and "untrue".
According to Bloomberg News, the U.K. Court of Appeal in London has ordered Apple to remove the notice from its website within 24 hours to correct the inaccuracies. It also has to post a new, revised version within 48 hours.
“I’m at a loss that a company such as Apple would do this,” said a puzzled Judge Robin Jacob. “That is a plain breach of the order.”
One of Samsung's lawyers, Henry Carr, piled on by starting that Apple's original notice left the “impression that the U.K. court is out of step with other courts” by mentioning the judgments in Apple's favor by German and U.S. courts.

Source: Bloomberg

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By p05esto on 11/1/2012 10:58:48 AM , Rating: 4
I want Apple to fail and go away so bad it hurts. They have hurt tech in so many important ways. The problem is that most people are so clueless that they buy Apple products without even realizing why it's a bad idea.

RE: fail
By eagle470 on 11/1/12, Rating: -1
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By Alexstarfire on 11/1/2012 12:25:47 PM , Rating: 5
Those tactics from Microsoft are from an era we've long since past and they paid a good deal for it, even now. I do believe that they still don't bundle MSE with Windows for fear for being "anti-competitive." If you are saying they still use these tactics then I'd like for you to point a few out as I, and probably others as well, are clueless in this regard.

And the same for Google really. What are you saying that Google has done to hurt the market? Privacy issues aside.

I don't believe that these "privacy issues" are much to be worried about either. Not only because for the most part they don't really care what you are doing other than to target you with ads, which I realize is akin to saying "I don't care because it doesn't affect me," but also because you aren't forced to use Google products. Many people, myself included, would trade "private" information, for a free product. If you aren't one of these people then just don't use them, that's that. Most of my "private" information I'd just tell people anyway provided they asked. So unless Google, or any company for that matter, is storing my SSN, giving away my passwords, or a select few other things it's not really an issue to me. And it's certainly a lot less disturbing than a recent article that says police can install cameras on private property without a warrant.

RE: fail
By dark matter on 11/1/12, Rating: -1
RE: fail
By Alexstarfire on 11/2/2012 4:07:02 PM , Rating: 3
Did you reply to the wrong comment? I'm not Tony.

RE: fail
By DrChemist on 11/2/2012 12:46:06 PM , Rating: 3
I called this exactly in my initial comment when the first came out. That Samsung should go back and file either contempt of court a general motion for not following the judges orders and basically saying we did nothing wrong on the ridiculous letter of crap I read that apologizes for nothing.

RE: fail
By ArcsinZ on 11/1/2012 2:01:32 PM , Rating: 1
before Linux became common

I'm sorry, when did that happen?

RE: fail
By elleehswon on 11/1/2012 2:21:14 PM , Rating: 2
I Would be willing to bet there are more devices worldwide that run some sort of linux kernel than any other is.

RE: fail
By GulWestfale on 11/1/2012 3:08:03 PM , Rating: 5
i own a macbook air.
now that that's out of the way, here goes:

every company is entitled to protect its intellectual property, and has a duty to protect it as ferociously as humanly possible, lest competitors exploit its weakness.
every one of us, if put into the position of CEO, would try to do the same.

what i resent though is the way in which apple conducts itself. they have not invented many of the things they claim to have invented; other patents are for painfully obvious things (and thus should not be patentable in the first place). their strategy appears to be based on two things:
- a PR campaign stating that the other guys are wrong;
- a global legal war that it, but not all of its competitors, can afford.

this makes apple look like giant douchebags, and they are rightly being criticized for it.

RE: fail
By retrospooty on 11/1/2012 3:16:46 PM , Rating: 2
"- a PR campaign stating that the other guys are wrong;
- a global legal war that it, but not all of its competitors, can afford.

this makes apple look like giant douchebags, and they are rightly being criticized for it."

Exactly... The only thing you left our is the hppocracy of Apple. They copy other companies and always have. For them to cry foul is just ridiculous. They copied the whole putting a mobile OS and apps on a phone idea from Palm and RIM.

On IOS - Things Apple copied from other companies.

- Notifications
- Over the air updates
- Widgets
- Free turn by turn navigation
- Social network integration
- Multitasking
- Drop Down Notifications
- Opening apps from the lock screen
- Custom Wallpapers
- Panoramic photos

They do innovate from time to time, but FFS, they copy more than they invent by far.

RE: fail
By GulWestfale on 11/1/2012 3:28:17 PM , Rating: 4
i clearly stated that they patent things they did not invent.
and after having switched from an iphone to android 4.0, i can tell you that iOS is years behind android despite all the copying.

RE: fail
By jimbojimbo on 11/1/2012 4:12:35 PM , Rating: 2
They're supposedly getting widgets of some sort in 2013... what 5 years after Android did? Sadly some brainwashed Apple fan will say it was their idea.

RE: fail
By GulWestfale on 11/1/2012 4:24:33 PM , Rating: 2
and then they'll patent widgets and sue someone lol

RE: fail
By retrospooty on 11/1/2012 4:56:22 PM , Rating: 2
Yup, and when Apple copies this it will simply be implementing a key feature "at the right time". The crowd will ooh and aah. Wow, widgets. Apple is so awesome. LOL

RE: fail
By elleehswon on 11/1/2012 3:46:08 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry, meant os. Typing with the flu. Not exactly bringing my "a" game.

RE: fail
By perspicacity on 11/2/2012 8:43:38 AM , Rating: 3
Devices... but not desktops.


It will be interesting to see how desktops go over he next 5 years. If Microsoft continues with it's attempt to emulate Apple, and lock down the application ecosphere, Linux may be the only, viable, open desktop left.

RE: fail
By hugo_stiglitz on 11/1/2012 11:33:44 AM , Rating: 5
I don't think many of us would have issue with Apple if they would just try to out-innovate and out-compete their competitors instead of using dirty patent-trolling tactics in a bid to monopolize the market.

Heck, if Apple made products that suited my needs better than the competition, I'd be buying their products - but they don't. The thing that bothers me is Apple trying to take away my choice as a consumer.

RE: fail
By Rukkian on 11/1/2012 12:08:16 PM , Rating: 5
If apple (and all of these companies) would just compete in the store instead of the courts, I think we would have much better devices for much less cost. This would be good for consumers, and without all the lawsuits, the companies might actually do well also.

While I don't personally like apple products, I see their use and for people like my grandmother, and my wife, it makes sense, as they do not have options, and get told what they can do and when and are perfectly fine with that. I like having choice, I like seeing the latest tech (even if I cannot afford it) as I am a tech junkie overall, just sick of all the lawsuits and attempts to get a court forced monopoly.

RE: fail
By quiksilvr on 11/1/2012 2:41:56 PM , Rating: 3
What makes me happy is seeing Google not only taking on this patent nonsense with innovation (Google unified search to a more intuitive search software), but also shaking up the cellphone industry with incredible devices for affordable prices.

I guarantee you we will see a Nexus 5 next year for $199, and it will rock the cellphone manufacturers' balls off.

RE: fail
By someguy123 on 11/1/2012 10:47:38 PM , Rating: 3
I think apple has fallen victim to its own marketing. They see themselves as the real shining star, premium device manufacturer that stands above the rest. Their comments about how people will "buy the ipad mini anyway" even at 329, regardless of competition, just reinforces it.

I don't think their lawsuits are simple patent trolling. I think they truly believe they deserve market domination for being the ones to popularize touch devices. They're not interested in innovating because they think they should be the ones dictating rather than competing like a normal company.

RE: fail
By Tony Swash on 11/1/12, Rating: -1
RE: fail
By hiscross on 11/1/12, Rating: -1
RE: fail
By glenco on 11/2/2012 1:26:42 AM , Rating: 2

RE: fail
By Alexstarfire on 11/1/2012 1:13:29 PM , Rating: 5
Or we could hate them because they are trying to monopolize the markets via legal action, have used several unethical, or at least morally grey (and no they aren't alone on this), methods to increase profits, and are hypocrites... Guess that flew right over your "critical faculties" though.

RE: fail
By hugo_stiglitz on 11/1/2012 1:27:31 PM , Rating: 4
What I don't get is why "the world's #1 tech company" (Apple) is so afraid to go head-to-head with their competition - instead, choosing to attempt to have their competitors' products banned by exploiting a broken patent system.

Maybe it's because Apple knows that the majority of the market is choosing their competitors' products over their own and that they can't compete? Maybe they fear that the same thing that happened to them in the desktop PC space back in the 80s is happening to them right now in the mobile space?

RE: fail
By retrospooty on 11/1/2012 3:18:29 PM , Rating: 3
"Maybe it's because Apple knows that the majority of the market is choosing their competitors' products over their own and that they can't compete? Maybe they fear that the same thing that happened to them in the desktop PC space back in the 80s is happening to them right now in the mobile space?"


They should really take some of that 100 billion in the bacnk and start innovating again. They have really done very little of that since 2007.

RE: fail
By spaced_ on 11/1/2012 11:59:10 PM , Rating: 3
Deja vu for Jobs. It's pretty evident it got to him personally that Google/Android was a superior system. Either he was indeed just a nut bag, or he was fairly emotionally gutted when he wanted to go 'thermonuclear'. He could see the same sort of thing happening that happened with Gates so many years ago.

Difference is the Android copyleft model is even more beneficial to everyone (consumer and other business alike) than Microsoft's open hardware strategy was back then.

Just look at Amazon, Samsung, Asus, HTC, Intel, etc. etc. They ALL benefit from Android. Then look at the consumer, they benefit too.

Who doesn't benefit from Android? Apple, Microsoft. That's it.

Closed is not the way of the future, open is. The fact I can take Android, fork it off and make a superior version of it for free is such a ridiculously positive thing. If I were rich, I could hire a team of people to do that for me. You just have to take the company driven blindfolds off to realise it's a superior model.

Apple and MS just need to open source their operating systems ;)

RE: fail
By retrospooty on 11/2/2012 7:41:06 AM , Rating: 2
Yup, in the face of an open market, a closed system has to either be far superior, or far cheaper to thrive. In 2007-2011, you could call iPhone/Apple far superior but not any more. Now they arent even up to par with Android/Google.

RE: fail
By hugo_stiglitz on 11/2/2012 8:42:35 AM , Rating: 3
"Who doesn't benefit from Android? Apple, Microsoft . That's it."

Actually, I think Microsoft does benefit from Android:

RE: fail
By DrChemist on 11/3/2012 3:40:38 PM , Rating: 2
Actually Forbes just reported that they increased their R&D by $1 billion recently and to top that they fired their head iOS guy for someone who most likely will try to enforce a Metro style OS update. All in all this is what they need to do not go around and waste tons of money destroying your name like Microsoft did with it's practices in the late 90s. They are still fighting the whole M$FT stigma even today. Pretty soon people will be calling APPLE A$$HOLES and will fight the battle to be popular again.

RE: fail
By theapparition on 11/1/2012 3:43:00 PM , Rating: 2
What I don't get is why "the world's #1 tech company" (Apple) is so afraid to go head-to-head with their competition

Because they did that before, and stared bankruptcy in the face. And even back then Apple tried to sue MS over Windows.

Ironically, Without Microsoft infusing a bunch of cash in the 90's, they probably wouldn't be here anymore.

RE: fail
By Uncle on 11/1/2012 1:35:16 PM , Rating: 2
" they already have a pile of cash so vast that they could suffer a catastrophic collapse in sales for a years and still continue their operations uninterrupted." The value of the company would suffer, just ask any shareholder. Shareholders apple cash is in the stocks they own. apple cash increases the value of their shares. If apple uses its cash and sales plummet shareholder will leave in droves.If that starts to happen apple will manipulate the market by starting to buy back their shares using their cash reserves, somewhat similar to the manipulation to keep its iphones prices high by buying back its old iphones.

RE: fail
By chris2618 on 11/1/2012 1:46:04 PM , Rating: 2
You have too much time on your hands

RE: fail
By momorere on 11/1/2012 1:57:43 PM , Rating: 2
Of course he does, that is what crApple PR reps are paid to do. Defend them in every conceivable way and under any possible circumstance. I really enjoy how their stock just keeps falling. Reminds me of Facebook. They will be giving out shares this time next year as Halloween treats to try and save face.

RE: fail
By retrospooty on 11/1/2012 4:05:50 PM , Rating: 2
" I really enjoy how their stock just keeps falling. Reminds me of Facebook. "

LOL... It is funny, but they arent in danger of losing much. They have a ton of cash and products that sell and sell at a high profit, so they are safe. Tony's constant assertion that the growth rate will continue is a laugher though. It's already been unprecedented groth for years, but these days the competition has better products for cheaper prices. Android was outselling IOS 2.5 to 1 in 2011 with android 2.xx which really sucked compared to 4.1. in 2012 Android is outselling IOS 4 to 1 and now Android OS has not only caught up, but FAR surpassed Apple. The more people that see how well Android 4.1 works, the more want it and that sales gap will continue to widen. Android is at what, 1.2 million phones per day now? Crazy.

Like I said, Apple isnt in any danger , but the growth period is over. It will level off about where they are now for the next few years, which is super profitable. If they once again start innovating and catch up with competition it can go up again, but that remains to be seen.

RE: fail
By momorere on 11/1/2012 2:01:06 PM , Rating: 1
Enough said. Just replace the name with your name and it fits like a glove.

RE: fail
By Marmadoc on 11/1/2012 2:08:56 PM , Rating: 3
Apple have entered three moribund markets dominated by piss poor technology and products, music players, smart phones and tablets, and utterly disrupted each with a product that completely changed the dynamics of the market and caused every other company into a mad scramble to catch up and emulate. That's what tech companies should do and should be applauded for doing.

That’s right! And what’s more, Apple “life” has been one of finding a product, adding their own environment, writing all the rules and making life for the customers that opt to follow those rules and work within the boundaries of that environment very nice indeed.

The phobia you so ridiculously claim do champion against is not caused by that. No one hated the Apple of the nineties. Or the Apple of early 00´s.

They hate YOUR apple. The arrogant apple. The “I´ll go thermonuclear on this” apple. The “I´m NEVER wrong” apple.

RE: fail
By retrospooty on 11/1/2012 2:51:59 PM , Rating: 2
"apple apple apple apple [lives, eats, breathes, and dreams of apple] apple apple apple apple "

Dood, get a life outside of Apple. You have gone way beyond rediculous.

RE: fail
By ComputerJuice on 11/1/2012 3:36:25 PM , Rating: 2
if its not obvious: he is just doing what he is paid to do.

RE: fail
By inperfectdarkness on 11/2/2012 1:25:16 AM , Rating: 2
What's funny is, if it were anyone else, they'd probably have just given up and stopped using the account after it was already discovered to be operated by a paid shill (see: Astroturfing).

Unsurprisingly, because it is apple, reality doesn't apply. So even though we know who/what he is, he continues to deny it and proceed about his shill-ishness. That everyone on here can see through his phony disguise is irrelevant.

He might as well post random "your argument is invalid" GIF's.

RE: fail
By spaced_ on 11/2/2012 2:05:59 AM , Rating: 4
I don't know if it's actually the case. If Tony were getting paid it'd exonerate him of his behaviour.

But if it's not obvious, Apple marketing has inspired quite zealous cultist like behaviour. They don't have to pay people to behave in this way.

It's genius from Steve Jobs. He obviously had some good teachers when he was learning marketing at school. He was obviously well known for his charisma and ability to make reality different when he was around.

Many religions/cults start out in similar ways. Have you ever tried to convert someone who's religious to seeing a different point of view? Look at how scientology works. It's really not all that different. I was thinking it'd be fun to start up my own religious cult when I was young (to make money). Many humans are easy to manipulate.

You don't need to pay people to preach, they do it because they believe in it. You can convince people to follow you if you have the knack.

RE: fail
By inperfectdarkness on 11/3/2012 5:46:25 AM , Rating: 2
Uncle Dave from Postal is my idol.

RE: fail
By zerocks on 11/1/12, Rating: 0
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By TakinYourPoints on 11/1/2012 9:06:59 PM , Rating: 3
You don't have to buy their products or like their tactics, but wishing for them to go away is silly, not to mention detrimental for you. Who else would every other tech company copy if they weren't around?

RE: fail
By Reclaimer77 on 11/1/2012 10:27:15 PM , Rating: 2
Who else would every other tech company copy if they weren't around?

And you wonder why you get "lumped in" with Tester and Every other tech company just "copies" Apple. Every!

RE: fail
By l0aded on 11/2/2012 12:42:26 AM , Rating: 2
I've been an Apple hater since they gained popularity with the expensive original iPod but even I am not blind to their influence on the direction of the mobile space. Yes I don't think they own rectangular shapes but you can't deny that compaies make their things more "Apple"-like.

Apple makes high resolution screens -> everoyne else's resolutions go higher.

RE: fail
By spaced_ on 11/2/2012 2:13:59 AM , Rating: 2
It's called competing, in an open market. It's not the same as copying.

I grow my Apples so they taste sweeter. My competition grows their Apples so they taste EVEN sweeter. Then they make theirs shinier and polished. So I do the same, or one-up them.

Apple has been successful by being the best competitor in various markets for a number of years. It seems they're not willing or able to do that anymore relying heavily on prestige.

RE: fail
By TakinYourPoints on 11/2/2012 6:53:43 AM , Rating: 3
Exactly this. They've been heavily influential for well over 30 years, wishing for them to go away because you're "mad" is idiotic.

RE: fail
By retrospooty on 11/2/2012 7:37:23 AM , Rating: 1
Except for all the ones Apple copies of course.

Yes, I have lumped him too and I stand behind my lump for ridiculous comments like that.

RE: fail
By TakinYourPoints on 11/5/2012 11:25:11 AM , Rating: 3
What's ridiculous about it? Everyone influences everyone else, but the degree of Apple's influence is unmatched. I'm mainly a PC guy and even I can recognize this.

I don't see why reality makes you guys so mad.

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